There wouldn't be ads in the game directly, just on vizzed board. And people would have to go thru vizzed board to get to the game.


You have heard of newgrounds, right?
http://www.newgrounds.com
They've got literally thousands of games containing licensed characters and they also have plenty of ads...they haven't been sued.

Here is a list of more websites with games containing licensed characters and also a huge collection of ads:
http://www.flashgames247.com/
http://www.flash-game.net/
http://www.addictinggames.com/
http://www.flash-games.net/
http://www.gameprison.com/

Also, if a company complained, we'd just simply take their characters out. Easy as that. And I can easily create plenty of my own game characters which I can replace those with.

There is a slight chance of getting in trouble but screw it. Theres tons of sites out there that have illegal downloads of movies and music.

And since your making the characters yourself they are technically yours, only the name is what gets us into the copyright mess. Just as long as you don't sell game for a fee you'll be fine.

The site is yours too so technically your making money off the site, not the game. If you were making money off the game there would be a fee in order to play it.

Agreed JigSaw, and I'm sure you could get into just as much trouble for using the user name JigSawKiller as I could making this game. Either way, they'd warn us first and I see that as being VERY unlikely

I think you shoudl take this idea, and since your willing to pay to have it done you should go further with it... Im not saying all out 3D funky stuff... Im saying all that is fine, and keep your online multiplayer thing. But make the game a download able exe, an ACTUAL game... Like how Aeria Games sets up their games... Free to deownload free to play online. Have them developed around a game server. (Just an Idea btw)

Also, stats are no good. Unless they are base stats and stats can grow and stat points spent as you gain levels. So if your Tails, your level 5 you could have put 3 points into agility 1 into Stamina and one into Int... If its base stats across the board, not matter how long 2 people been playing they are the same then itd be kinda lame... (I didnt read all the stats so i assume it ISNT actually like that... lol i got lazy :p)

2) (from original post)
Using TWO developers is insane... Look at me and brad... infinite amount of communication and still stuff each other s*** up. Paying a cheap developer may seem like itll save you money, but paying the extra front up means that the 2nd developer wont have to dick around to add the online functionalty, thus charing you extra. 1 developer or a team of developers (2+) where they can sit side by side and point and talk and look at the EXACT same thing.

And having more than one person with the same "Special" isnt very special. That requires further developement.

Mario - Sink (A pipe appears from no where and can be positions anywhere on the screen at whcih point mario will appear from)

Luigi - Wrench (Instead of no-weapon melee attack always carries a wrentch giving additional attack damage but reducing attack speed slightly)

Sonic - Spine Frenzy (Spins on the spot incrediable fast releasing sharp spines from his back in all directions (doesnt affect allies) Impaled enemies move slower for # seconds)

Mega Man - Energy Beam (If someone actually knows wtf his gun or attack is called ill change it) (Fires a powerful beam of energy in a selected directions. Ignored obstacles and can not be dodged.)

Tails - Evade (Uses his tails to quickly confuse an enemy reducing their chance to hit by ##% (50-70 is reasonable) lasts # seconds)

IceWave
Regarding the stats, there is no building up characters. I want a newbie to have just as good of a chaance to beat a veteran as any one else...of course since the veteran would most likely be a lot better than may not happen, but the fact that a newbie has a chance is what would make it worth playing for that newbie. It'd be boring if all the characters acted exactly the same, I want them to control and act exactly as they did from the game they come from. Sonic should be faster since he runs fast in the Sonic games. Mario should be able to jump higher since he can in Super Mario Bros. MegaMan should have a gun and not jump as high since he does in Mega Man games. If these characters don't control and act the way they do in the original game they come from, than you no longer have the original feel of that character

2. Well having 2 developers would be insanely cheaper (hey your not paying for this), but I've also considered hiring Tushar to make this game, which he may be able to do it all himself.

Your idea's for the characters would be great, except most of those characters didn't have those moves in the original games they came from. Mega Man I do plan on giving him that big blast power. Tails move you listed wouldn't work since this is real time and not turn based.




Personally, seeing all the negative feedback I'm receiving on this game makes me want to just go with my original idea of just making a 'Flash Platform Maker'.

David,

It's not negative at all. Everyone has different ideas so I believe nothing will ever go along perfectly with what you originally intended. Since this is still in the development phase everyone is passing and sharing their own ideas, which might not seem good at all to others.

I say go with your idea, then once we get a crowd we can improve the game on many levels by including more characters, stats, and so on. I suggest adding a comment thing to the game so users can tell us what they want and we can conduct a poll of what to implement in the next version, that is if you plan on making more versions.

It's best to start out small... I've tried starting out with high hopes and end up with nothing, take those sites I made for example lol. So I say just go with it, then make improvements down the road. A lot of the stuff we are throwing at you might be too much at this point of time so just put them into consideration for future refrence.

What is the "Flash Platform Maker"?

'Flash Platform Maker' was the other feature I was considering which would allow people to make their own side-scrolling games in flash.

Anyway, yeah there will be a lot of versions of this game, probably atleast 1 update per a month I'm predicting.

Dragon master was acting as though it's bad to have ads but if we weren't going to have ads, I wouldn't even consider making this game because this is a lot of money to invest and I certainly want to make my money back.

Wow, you should make that too lol. But make it after this not before it.

Yes have ad's... most of the sites out there could not survive without advertisements, that's how they make their money. Community + Traffic + Ads = $$$$$ Although not having ads makes it more appealing, it would be foolish in the long run to not have them.

Well a websie would go into SEVERE debt without ads. Right now I'm paying almost $40 for my server. The game will cost over $1000 to make, the software (for 100 users) will cost about $700. And if we got tons of traffic, I'd have to upgrade to the unlimited user connection for the smartfox server software which is almost $2000 and I would also than have to upgrade to a better server which would be about $90 a month. So as you can see, ads are manditory to pay for these fee's (and they give us some profit )..

Profit is my soon to be middle name (hopefully)

Oh and for that 'Flash Platform Maker', that is scheduled for a release date of around October 2008 (or depending on how well and profitable 'vizzed flash bash' is).

Shouldnt this game get its own place in the "Vizzed Development Teams" group (like vizzed battle arena has)?

Dont forget, 90 dollars a month isnt that much, if you look at it as its 3 people a week donating 10 dollars. If you could get that, you could easily pay for the server without your own input.

Check out the donate system on nds-roms.com (I cant send you link to the site that offers it, because i cant load nds-roms.com.. my internet is to slow now.. )

I'm not sure if people will donate $90 worth a month, not right away anyway. And that isn't exactly for certain, ads are for certain.

Now I could see people donating in order for the Vizzed flash Bash to receive updates and new features though.


I suppose this could receive it's own forum, maybe I'll make one now...

I just added Wolverine to my first post.

It appears that for sure, the 4 people who will be playable to start out with will probably be:
Mario
Sonic
Mega Man
Wolverine

I think this is a pretty good variety of people from different series. If it's 6 people to start out with, the added 2 will be:
Luigi
Tails

i would say that there should be more characters.

like pacman for instance, and the arcade cabinet stage from mugen.



I also should say that the chibi ryu from super gem fighter should show as well or maybe normal ryu (make the sprite to the size of the other characters then it's fine)

Pacman would be an interesting idea, what would his attacks be though?

Hey just saw this.
pacman could be an obsticle.

Could I just please add my favorite site, www.ponged.com, they got lots of free games and ads too.