Heh... I see there's been quite a bit of activity today. Getting a little frantic Stoney? Don't worry too much about it. What happens shall surely happen. No use to lose your mind over it. Anyway, it seems we got one thing totally figured out now. Our leader is now officially: Jake-A-Roonie! Cheers to the Cap'n!


Anyway, you didn't know of Slashdot? I know a little bit of it myself. It is a technology website featuring articles of various purpose. Some are on video games, others on recent technological findings, or events in the general gaming world. For the most part, Zeality was quite accurate with his claims. An advertisement by slashdot could attract a variety of people to our petition. However, we really can't do much to attract their attention without a website. Hence bringing me to my next point...

Html? I know very minimal amounts. Not enough to make anything attractive; heck, barely enough to post images and links (that much doesn't even really require skill). Hence, I wouldn't be of much use in the building of a website. Of course, apparently Jake knows someone who can take care of that. What we need is a domain. Problem is, I don't really have a way to pay for it. No income, no credit card. Not a good situation. We need someone who CAN do obtain this domain, or at least perhaps use one they haven't used (for whatever bizarre reason). We need to ask around... I'll see if I can find anyone able to help in that regard. It might not be possible in such a short period of time, however.

Artists too might be rather difficult to find in such a short time. Perhaps it would be better, if we are to get attention, to just announce that we are starting this petition. We likely won't have the petition done by then. Props has seemingly mysteriously disappeared, and we still lack an artist.

Hmmm... I do not really know many methods to contact these magazines, other than mailing them. But they often don't read them. Magazines might be a little too high for us to start up with. We can't really jump ahead of ourselves, afterall. What we need to do is get a grounding in the gaming community before we start jumping on to magazines. In other words, we need to build a name for ourselves, get some hype going for our group, so to say. If we do not do this first, and then just attempt to contact these higher groups, we will surely be ignored. We need to spread some word about us. As I mentioned earlier though, we REALLY shouldn't do anything until we have the fundamentals set up. Those being the petition itself, and the website. I'm not sure where Props has been, but time is starting to waste. We need to get a response from him. Does anybody happen to know him personally? It might be a wise choice to contact him, if you can, so that we may actually get to work on other details. "Advertising" being one of them. I believe we still need an artist, correct? I really would rather you not have to spend all of that money for a title page. I KNOW there are talented artists in the CT community, so I suggest you make a simple request in one of the various CT forums for a designer. I doubt they would charge you; and it would likely still be quite nice regardless.


Hmmmm... I designate leaders? Hmmmm... well I suppose I won't deny that role. First then, we must define the role of "leader" here, in this project. So far I have seen two definitions, and I'm not sure which one you are really referring to. The first one being, the person or group who collects all of the signatures. Second being the person who obtains signatures in their general area, and then mails it to a certain address. The problem with the second is; they really aren't leaders. They are the "workers" here. I can't really assign them, as they are the ones who choose to help us (they would go to the web page, download the petition, and proceed to gather signatures). As for the first "definition" of leaders around here... I find that my opinion has changed somewhat. Unless multiple members of this group live in the same general area, there really can't be more than one leader. The leader would be the address we would be mailing to, afterall. If there were multiple leaders, things would just get disorganized. So now that I look over it, there really is one person who can be the leader. Quite frankly, the other CTRP members and I have not been part of this long enough to be considered for the role of the leader. That leaves two, really. J-A-R (hmmm... maybe a should nickname you Jar...), and MV7866 have really gotten this all started. It would make more sense for one of them (or both, if they live close to each other) to take the role. Makes sense to me, anyway. It would probably be best for you to discuss amongst yourselves upon who wants that responsibility.


Oh. As for the whole internet thing... that might be a problem. I am a programmer, and am pretty skilled in regards to most things dealing with computers. The only thing I really have no experience with in that field is ANYTHING in regards to building a website. Kind of pathetic, I suppose. If noone else around here can do it, I suggest we ask around.

Hmmmm...

Stoney has a point there. Requesting Gamestop to show our petition, without actually having the petition ready could be a problem. What if they request to see it? It would be pretty unprofessional to just go to a "meeting" (of sorts) totally unprepared. While Gamestop support would be great to have, I think Stoney is right when he says we shouldn't rush in to it. We have far better a chance the more official we appear to be. With a website, and a MADE petition ready; we would not only seem more professional, but we would also have a far greater chance in getting what we ask for. In this case, lets build a website and the petition itself first. To complete the petition, we need a designer for the title page... and also we have to see if propagator would like to add to or edit his current statement.


As for S-E ending the Chrono Trigger series after a remake; how does that make sense? Wouldn't it be more like a rebirth of the series? The series obviously has many fans; so if a new game comes out... fans will likely want more. Wouldn't this thus cause more games in the Chrono series to come about? I think he is wrong; his opinions must be based on something however. I'd like to see where he gets this idea. I'm surprised Compendium follows Zeality so closely though. I guess he really does have a lot of respect in the CT community...

Yup. Horrrible, horrible filler arcs! Damn them I say!

I've almost considered not even collecting episodes in the filler arcs, but somehow; I continue doing so regardless. It is just... so pointless. I'm surprised the Manga-ka allows them to butcher his story like that for a good three our four months. I just hope no filler arcs come soon after this last one.



If you don't want a spoiler about the status of Orochimaru, then don't look at what remains in this post:
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Very well. I've given you your chance. Orochimaru DOES indeed get his arms back. Not even a particularly difficult task for him either. Orochimaru had to choose someone currently within his organization for a body because of this though. In this manner, Sasuke is saved for three years. Of course, Sasuke being a moron "joins the dark side", and now is right at the side of Orochimaru. Naruto pledges to find him, and bring him back. Anyway, Orochimaru now looks quite different (as he has a different body), but is at full power again regardless.

Seems things are moving smoothly. You have a lot of connections, don't you, Jake-A-Roonie? Not only did you get S-E's support, but now you have a designer to build a website for us. Then to top it off, you just so happen to have access to a possible meeting with the Gamestop executives. Quite amazing.

Well then, I suggest that we get a basic website built. Whenever our "designer" is ready, I suggest we get started right away with that. Can't let time go wasting on us, afterall, we don't have the ability to traverse it. We don't HAVE to get one, but I think a seperate forum (once the web page is up and everything) might be a good idea. We would probably flood these forums with a bunch of CT propaganda otherwise.


As for the whole leader aspect, I get what you are talking about. Thing is, everyone couldn't be a leader. For one, these people will just be downloading and obtaining signatures for their petition... then sending it TO the leader. While they are important, they aren't exactly the ones in charge. They're more like the workers... sort of.


As for the whole C.T. R.P.G., I thought it was a little funny myself. It is just a name I threw out. I'm sure many other great names will be thought of for this group.

Agreed. Having a ".com" would probably be the best thing. It is most professional, anyway. Of course, I think money is required. I say if it requires money... forget it. If we can get it without money though, we should do it. If we can't get a ".com", I suggest we take Davideo7's offer.

As for website building... I'm not the best choice. I know a little HTML and have looked a little bit into Java, but I do not know nearly enough to be of aid in the building of a webpage, let alone a professional-looking one.

We probably could find someone up to the task though. For the sake of a CT remake, I'm sure someone out there wouldn't mind helping with a website.

Well... since you want to encourage conversation...

"Ambitions and Orochimaru" is the most-recent episode of the filler episodes. As with just about every other filler episode; nothing new, interesting, or original is shown during these episodes. In this round of filler episodes, I have seen nothing but cliche stories revolving around crying females and weak enemys. To make it even worse; despite the various EXTREMELY powerful abilities seen during the regular season... Naruto and his group just about NEVER use these abilities during their fights during the filler series. Not only that, but you can tell that they are dragging out the battles. It just seems so... made up. You can tell they thought a few moments for a quick storyline, and just went with that.


As for the release in September, I can already tell it will be horrible. The voice acting will likely be horrible, the interesting battles will be removed, and the plot will be cut down to an absolute minimum... if is it lucky. I shall likely resent the day it is released in America. But as a Naruto fan, I shall watch that episode regardless. It is entitled to at least one viewing, I suppose.

While it is unfortunate that you didn't get responses at that time, it is quite understandable as to why you didn't. Not only had you just started, but you didn't have anything to really back up your claims. With a website, and the petition ready for download; the project would have gotten far better notice. When advertising something like this; you need to build. Start small, and then, as you become more well-known and respected, go to the larger groups or sites for advertising.

I suggest we:
- build a website
- advertise on various forums
- advertise on smaller, yet respected, websites
- advertise on larger websites
- attempt to advertise in stores or other public locations.


I believe we need to ask around about a place to build a website. Someone might be able to help with that, afterall.

That is incredible progress to make over one phone call. Very good work. I had not thought it would go so well. I think with this, we may actually enter the phase of our petition pertaining to the creation of the physical (once downloaded) petition itself. Why do I think so? Judging from this, it seems S-E of America is willing to take this petition up the chain of command... directly to S-E of Japan. I had not thought we would get that response so easily. I think our next phase should commence.

Here is what I believe is left on our "to do list" before we actually send out the petitions:
- Create seperate *OFFICIAL* website for the petition.
- Designate leader(s) (as of now, no doubt in my mind that Jake-A-Roonie should be one).
- Select shipment method.
- Begin "advertising" the petition.
- Create petition "title page".


By "title page", I mean the first page of our petition. This page would have the statement of the petition, possibly some CT artwork, and I suggest some sort of "logo" that represents this group. As this is a "Chrono Trigger Remake Petition", and we happen to be a "Group", we can call this group (I'm just throwing out ideas here) the "C.T. R.P.G." We could center the statement in the page, and have a light, slightly faded background image. This "background" image perhaps some official CT artwork, or fan artwork. Either way, so long as it looks good. After the title page, should be simple pages simply having areas to write signatures.

As for advertising, that job is rather simple. All we have to do is inform the Chrono Trigger, S-E, and general gaming community. There are many ways to do that. We can obviously inform others through forums. Two ideas I've been tossing around was to contact popular game websites (once we get some more backing) such as Ign or Gamespot, and ask them to allow us either an interview or perhaps have a small article describing what our group's purpose is, and how to be a part of it. My other idea was to actually go to game retailers. By this, I mean asking them if we could have perhaps a small poster giving information about this petition. One other thing we could do in those stores is to ask if we could perhaps post a petition there. People would come in, see the petition, and sign it (hopefully). We would then return on a certain date to collect the signatures from the store, and add it to whatever we had gotten already. That is a good method to get signatures from CT fans whom you don't personally know; though obviously... it has some faults.

I recommend we get an official webpage for this project. We can still use these forums to communicate, but an official website would give this project a more-official feel to it. We don't need to have anything overly elaborate, but an official area to post progress on the petition, download the petition, give information on how to contact those in charge, and inform people on how the petition will work is pretty mandatory for such a large project.


So... any thoughts? Just throwing out ideas, concepts, etc.

Negus's dad worked for Nintendo, and sent a resume to S-E? He must have let this all out when I was in my "inactive" state. I had not known this. Regardless, this is a possible lead. Of course, we don't want to put Negus in to anything he or his father wouldn't want to be involved in. I personally haven't talked to him much, so I probably shouldn't be the one to ask about his father's position in S-E (if he got one), or to help us for that matter. Obviously, someone who knows him better would be a good person to ask him.

If that doesn't work, I suggest we look for these people with connections on various CT forums. Someone is BOUND to have connections somewhere.



As for the current petition count, I wouldn't worry about it. We're just setting things in motion right now. The best course of action should be to plan before we actually send out the petitions for signatures. That way we'll be best prepared when the time comes to send out the petitions to S-E. Believe me, there are plenty of people interested in a remake of CT. This petition will get attention when the time calls for it.

Exactly. This is all pretty speculative at this point. We may not even get S-E of America's attention. S-E of Europe isn't really a part of this petition when you look at it this way. We are all from America here (I think), hence we would go first to the S-E office that works for us. S-E of Europe has no ties or connections with us, because we (on a totally different continent) are not their responsibility. As such, S-E of Europe would not only be harder to get in contact with, but also less likely to actually agree to help us. This of course, could be changed... but we would need just as massive European support. It is S-E of America's duty to take some note of what those in America have to say, as they represent both us and their company. Hence we could possibly get through to them if we can get the right connections. Then of course, the big aspect of this all is to get S-E of Japan to take note of our petition, and actually LOOK at it when it is shipped to them.

Of course, we've already hit our first problem with that plan. We need to get in contact with someone in S-E of America, and willing to help us take on this challenge.

This is a long shot, but what if we contact an S-E office that is more easily accessible first? If we bolster enough respect from say... S-E of America, we could possibly get them to give it to the higher-ranking workers of S-E of Japan. In that manner, we could kill two birds with one stone, Not only would S-E of America see it (though they can't do much), but we could get S-E of Japan to see it too. Of course, there ARE problems. I have no doubt that S-E of Japan wouldn't just throw a mailing from S-E of America out the window... but how are we to get S-E of America to send it out for us? We would have to know someone in the company, who was interested in the idea themself. They would then have to try and strike a deal with a high-ranked worker of S-E of America, and then if that worked... we would just send it to them. They'd look it over, and then send it to S-E of Japan. While this all makes sense and sounds great though; is it really possible? If such a plan worked, that would make the petition get notice FAR easier than if we just randomely sent it in... but there are just so many complications that could hinder this plan.

I think something like that is a step in the right direction, but I think we need to think over a little better on JUST HOW we are going to get such respect and attention in order to pull this off.


On to a different topic...

As for basing the project here for now, I have no problem with that. I do believe that once we get everything set in stone, we should move to a better location though. Nothing against this forum or anything, as it does look interesting in its own right, but I don't think the Chrono Trigger community is very aware of this website.

Well said, Stoney. There are positives and negatives to both possible methods of shipping over the petitions. I believe that in the long run, sending in bulk would have the least negative side effects. It is not very often that a big box would arrive at their office, but I am sure they get tons of little letters just about daily. As such, wouldn't it make more sense for them to respond to a box then a stream of letters? Also, to increase our chances, we can keep S-E well aware of our intentions... such as contacting them before actually sending the package. If they are aware of our petition, and how it will be coming to them, they might be less likely to throw it in the trash. Of course, there is then the problem of... how to contact them. That is for later discussion, if the idea is even used.


As for the unreliability of human nature, I whole-heartedly agree on that. Completely true. However, that is where my prior idea of SELECTING people to collect signatures comes in to play. The problem with that idea though, is that it is MUCH slower. In this manner, we would have people that would be in contact with the leaders, thus they could MAKE SURE the signatures made their way to the leader. Is that really worth it though? My suggestion to fix this problem, OTHER THAN selecting people to do the job, would be that a rule be made. Anyone sending their signatures to the leader(s) would email the leader(s) first, thus informing them that mail SHOULD be coming their way. IN this manner, we can have a better chance of getting our mail through to each other.


Anyway... let me list my take on the benefits and disadvantages of the sending methods:


Individual Sending Method:
Postives:
- S-E would recieve a constant stream of letters, all claiming to be part of this petition.
- No leaders are particularly required, as noone is needed to sort or edit the petitions.
- Shipping charge is minimal per person.
Negatives:
- S-E likely recieves many small letters daily. As such, they may not even look at ANY of the individual petitions (which would likely be relatively small).
- Far greater chance for petitions to not get sent out, as shipping charges and excess of freedom may stop petition from ever being sent out.

Sending in Mass:
Positives:
- S-E would recieve a large box filled with an organized and rather large petition.
- Size of the package alone may give it better notice by SE.
- All individual petitions would have a greater chance of making it in since there would be a group of leaders that the individual would be in contact with.
Negatives:
- Large size may be a BAD thing, because S-E could throw out ALL petitions immediately in one swift stroke.
- Leader(s) to send out petitions would likely have to pay a heavy shipping charge.

Hmmm... I'm still a little confused as to whether or not this entire project is taking place in the CTRP forums or here. Regardless, I'm checking both almost regularly. Anyway, Props has given some good input, as usual.

For the most part, I have agreed on the basic fundamentals of the petition with Propagator4. As he mentioned however, I differ from him in believing that sending in bulk would be more effective than sending our petitions (in unison) individually. Of course, sending in bulk would bring about some shipping charges. My fear with sending in individual signatures is that they will be ignored. Such a large package would be far harder to ignore, and then, our names would be concentrated on a singe list (far easier to read) rather than multiple letters. Also, there is a far greater chance of many signatures getting lost in the mail if we send individually. I also would like to have a group of "leaders" that would be in control of the entire thing. They would collect the signatures, clean up the entire petition before sending it out, and then of course; send it out to S-E.


The easiest method of dispersing this petiton is to disperse it over the internet (via webpage or email). Those who are willing to gather names would then download this document, gather signatures, and then mail the document over to a designated address of a certain leader. Of course, if Propagator's method is chosen, we would instead send the petition over to S-E rather than any leader. This is a rather fast and easy method of getting it done. All we REALLY have to decide upon is the method of sending. Shall it be in bulk or in individual letters (which are all claiming to be part of this group)? We should decide upon this, in my opinion.

That is true Stoney. This place, I never heard of. While it seems you have a good basis for a petition started here; there are many other places that are more well-known. Furthermore, a website completely dedicated to this petition would be of far greater effect than merely a thread on some forum, no offense. I suggest we rethink a few aspects of this petition because it needs:

- Better advertising
- A website of its own
- Better overall organization.


I think we need to get a more clear-cut method of sending the petitions IN as well. For one, if we are to do this, we need to know the address of eachother in order to mail (the completed petitions) to you. Also, we need to do this in a way so that noone with malicious intent can get your address. There is no exception to the fact we need a tangible petition, as all previous online petitions with this intent (and there were ALOT of them), failed. As such, I believe it is quite obvious at this point that only a tangible petition would have any effect. Of course, this would then involve mailing... which would be a mess; which of course, means we should get an organized method of doing all this before continuing. Make any sense?

Good series, but as with every anime series, filler episodes are pretty horrible. They've gotten in to a plague of filler episodes. You can pretty much TELL it is a filler episode; because they just go off on some random tangent. Also, the manga does some characters justice. Sakura is depicted as extremely wimpy and... annoying... in the anime. She seems a tad stronger and less annoying in the manga, in my opinion.

Hmmm... it seems you got a good foundation set up here, Jake-A-Roonie. Not bad. I can't really tell in what form you plan to present this to SE though. On one thread I got the impression it was an online petition (which by the way, wouldn't work), on another I thought you were sort of mixing both a hard and soft versions of the petition. I'm a tad confused, as you can likely tell.

Now then, what I recommend is a little more... orderliness. You need to inform us how you intend to send this thing to SE a little more clearly. As was mentioned in the CTRP forums, our best method is to send this to the SE headquarters in Japan, as the American headquarters really doesn't have the power to do much. Also, a PHYSICAL petition has far more impact than a virtual one (you can see the differing signatures.)

Of course, before I further criticize, It'd probably be a good plan to see what it is you really intend to do. After all, perhaps you have already taken these ideas in to account (you were on the CTRP forums, afterall) I'd like to help out with this. I think you guys need a little further planning, actually, but that is just my opinion.