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06-09-16 07:29 PM
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Maguc,breathe.

My word,little testy today aren't we? I have countered your arguments with truth and yet you still persist with your arguments that I should do no harm to someone that is robbing me.

But,I am in a decent mood,so I will play with you.

An armed citizen is an empowered citizen.

Yes,they made the first step,they will not be a victim. But I think it goes without saying that one must train,learn to use the weapon properly. And picking up a gun would be a lot easier than using a knife. A knife user must either get in close or toss his weapon and then he is hoping it strikes you and takes you out or at least stuns you so he can attack. A gun user can effectively keep someone at bay from a distance.

It is only a crime because people made it a crime. Now,I know I am asking a lot,but think for a second. Who do laws protect? The common man or a criminal? Time's up. Laws prevent honest people from an act. A criminal cares not for his actions. I would rather be armed and deal with the police after I defend my home than have a criminal kill me,just to attempt to not go to prison.

And also,if you are getting broken in an shot at,shouldn't you call the police or post it on Facebook?
Maguc,breathe.

My word,little testy today aren't we? I have countered your arguments with truth and yet you still persist with your arguments that I should do no harm to someone that is robbing me.

But,I am in a decent mood,so I will play with you.

An armed citizen is an empowered citizen.

Yes,they made the first step,they will not be a victim. But I think it goes without saying that one must train,learn to use the weapon properly. And picking up a gun would be a lot easier than using a knife. A knife user must either get in close or toss his weapon and then he is hoping it strikes you and takes you out or at least stuns you so he can attack. A gun user can effectively keep someone at bay from a distance.

It is only a crime because people made it a crime. Now,I know I am asking a lot,but think for a second. Who do laws protect? The common man or a criminal? Time's up. Laws prevent honest people from an act. A criminal cares not for his actions. I would rather be armed and deal with the police after I defend my home than have a criminal kill me,just to attempt to not go to prison.

And also,if you are getting broken in an shot at,shouldn't you call the police or post it on Facebook?
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06-09-16 07:36 PM
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Oldschool777 : I thought you said the police don't stop crimes. So nah, i'm fine getting shot at.

" I have countered your arguments with truth and yet you still persist with your arguments that I should do no harm to someone that is robbing me. "
First off, no you haven't.
Second off, my arguments are you probably shouldn't kill anyone and everyone for such petty things. Self defense is fine, but outright killing them? That's taking it too far.

Where did this gun vs knife debate come from. I've literally said nothing on the topic.

Most criminals actually care a lot for their actions. Most criminals wouldn't be criminals if they had the chance. Most don't, and that's because of other motives (poverty is a big one, for example).

Plus, you're under the assumption that everyone is trying to kill you. DO you know the statistics on a robber actually killing a person? I'm serious, do you? Because trust me, they aren't that high.

So, you are basically saying your life matters more than another person's life, and that allows you kill them?
Oldschool777 : I thought you said the police don't stop crimes. So nah, i'm fine getting shot at.

" I have countered your arguments with truth and yet you still persist with your arguments that I should do no harm to someone that is robbing me. "
First off, no you haven't.
Second off, my arguments are you probably shouldn't kill anyone and everyone for such petty things. Self defense is fine, but outright killing them? That's taking it too far.

Where did this gun vs knife debate come from. I've literally said nothing on the topic.

Most criminals actually care a lot for their actions. Most criminals wouldn't be criminals if they had the chance. Most don't, and that's because of other motives (poverty is a big one, for example).

Plus, you're under the assumption that everyone is trying to kill you. DO you know the statistics on a robber actually killing a person? I'm serious, do you? Because trust me, they aren't that high.

So, you are basically saying your life matters more than another person's life, and that allows you kill them?
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maguc :
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I agree with maguc on this one, besides the insulting part. :x

But yeah, you're believing in the stereotype that all criminals, no matter the crime, deserve death. At least, that's what it seems like to me. Once you kill someone, that's it, they will never see this world again. And you seem so content with that thought. I'm not trying to sound rude, but death is not something to brush off, no matter who it is. (Unless you're talking about the death of Hitler or something).

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I agree with maguc on this one, besides the insulting part. :x

But yeah, you're believing in the stereotype that all criminals, no matter the crime, deserve death. At least, that's what it seems like to me. Once you kill someone, that's it, they will never see this world again. And you seem so content with that thought. I'm not trying to sound rude, but death is not something to brush off, no matter who it is. (Unless you're talking about the death of Hitler or something).

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LunarDarkness2 :

I agree that killing someone just for stealing is wrong. In the Torah being a thief does not mean you're anyone's game for the shooting. However, the Bible also says that if someone breaks into your house to steal during the night. . . you have a right to lethal methods of self defense.

Why?

Because when someone breaks into your home. . . you do not know what they intend to do. I mean, when a guy has a lethal weapon like a knife or gun and won't put it down upon being confronted? Shoot them before you get shot! Most criminals are ill equipped. So usually if you show them you have a gun, then that's all you have to do.


Ghostbear1111 :

I think you're underestimating the power of human fear. People will do many things when they're afraid which they normally wouldn't do. Not even because they choose it as much as their instincts would drive them too.


As for myself? I'm pretty certain I would in the right circumstances as many have said above.

No, it's not a pleasant thought. I own about three different guns and have minimal training- don't care to get serious about using my pistol until I can get a concealed carry permit. But if I had too, I would.
LunarDarkness2 :

I agree that killing someone just for stealing is wrong. In the Torah being a thief does not mean you're anyone's game for the shooting. However, the Bible also says that if someone breaks into your house to steal during the night. . . you have a right to lethal methods of self defense.

Why?

Because when someone breaks into your home. . . you do not know what they intend to do. I mean, when a guy has a lethal weapon like a knife or gun and won't put it down upon being confronted? Shoot them before you get shot! Most criminals are ill equipped. So usually if you show them you have a gun, then that's all you have to do.


Ghostbear1111 :

I think you're underestimating the power of human fear. People will do many things when they're afraid which they normally wouldn't do. Not even because they choose it as much as their instincts would drive them too.


As for myself? I'm pretty certain I would in the right circumstances as many have said above.

No, it's not a pleasant thought. I own about three different guns and have minimal training- don't care to get serious about using my pistol until I can get a concealed carry permit. But if I had too, I would.
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Not all crimes deserve death. But you have to admit if it did,there would be far less criminals.

Maguc,how is it petty,when someone is breaking into your home to steal stuff you either paid or worked for huh?

Yes,people can become criminals due to desperation,but most believe in pulling themselves up,brushing themselves off and provide for themselves and others honestly.

And do you know the stats of a robber that kill a homeowner during the course of a robbery just to cover their tracks?

But you are free to believe what you want. May whatever God you worship protect you,because you won't.

If you think mace and a taser will save you,go ahead. I will go with a sure thing to stop them.

Not all crimes deserve death. But you have to admit if it did,there would be far less criminals.

Maguc,how is it petty,when someone is breaking into your home to steal stuff you either paid or worked for huh?

Yes,people can become criminals due to desperation,but most believe in pulling themselves up,brushing themselves off and provide for themselves and others honestly.

And do you know the stats of a robber that kill a homeowner during the course of a robbery just to cover their tracks?

But you are free to believe what you want. May whatever God you worship protect you,because you won't.

If you think mace and a taser will save you,go ahead. I will go with a sure thing to stop them.

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Well, If They Stole From me I Would Wound Him/Her If They Harmed Anyone (Who Didn't Deserve It) I Wouldd Kill Them. With my gun i own (I Have a Permit And Training) But it definitely would NOT be easy. I would turn myself in.
Well, If They Stole From me I Would Wound Him/Her If They Harmed Anyone (Who Didn't Deserve It) I Wouldd Kill Them. With my gun i own (I Have a Permit And Training) But it definitely would NOT be easy. I would turn myself in.
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datiel12 : That sounds a lot easier than it is.
Even as a trained professional, I don't think I can "just shoot someone in the leg or arm" or whatever you think you would do.
The main goal, if you make the decision to pull that trigger, is to stop the threat. If your training has told you otherwise, you might need to find better training.
There are a lot of factors that come into play in stressful situations and precision shooting isn't exactly the easiest thing to do with adrenaline pumping and you being on edge.

As for answering the question: I hope I am never in a situation that requires I make that decision, but if it comes down to it and I feel threatened and feel like I or someone else is going to suffer serious injury or death, I fully intend to fight back and shoot if necessary.

If someone is running away with my PS4, I am gonna be pissed... but that's why I have insurance...


maguc :
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This is getting out of hand. Back off each other a little and both of you take a deep breathe.
There is no need to be insulting/condescending in your replies.
datiel12 : That sounds a lot easier than it is.
Even as a trained professional, I don't think I can "just shoot someone in the leg or arm" or whatever you think you would do.
The main goal, if you make the decision to pull that trigger, is to stop the threat. If your training has told you otherwise, you might need to find better training.
There are a lot of factors that come into play in stressful situations and precision shooting isn't exactly the easiest thing to do with adrenaline pumping and you being on edge.

As for answering the question: I hope I am never in a situation that requires I make that decision, but if it comes down to it and I feel threatened and feel like I or someone else is going to suffer serious injury or death, I fully intend to fight back and shoot if necessary.

If someone is running away with my PS4, I am gonna be pissed... but that's why I have insurance...


maguc :
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This is getting out of hand. Back off each other a little and both of you take a deep breathe.
There is no need to be insulting/condescending in your replies.
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If you had asked me at any time before now, I might've said no, I might've said yes.... But after really thinking hard on it, running myself through hypothetical situation, visualizing myself with some sort of sharp object and having what seems my only chance, I really don't know.... I likely won't know until It happens, and I hope I never have to decide, really.
If you had asked me at any time before now, I might've said no, I might've said yes.... But after really thinking hard on it, running myself through hypothetical situation, visualizing myself with some sort of sharp object and having what seems my only chance, I really don't know.... I likely won't know until It happens, and I hope I never have to decide, really.
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I would kill to save myself if I'm put in a life or death situation (making the death more painful depending on the situation). I wouldn't just go around killing people just because I hate them or something petty like that. Of course, I do have a personality "imbalance"  (antisocial and passive aggressive/Histrionic personality) but I did have help with a therapist so I function fine in society.So maybe lack of empathy affects my answer.
I would kill to save myself if I'm put in a life or death situation (making the death more painful depending on the situation). I wouldn't just go around killing people just because I hate them or something petty like that. Of course, I do have a personality "imbalance"  (antisocial and passive aggressive/Histrionic personality) but I did have help with a therapist so I function fine in society.So maybe lack of empathy affects my answer.
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I'm actually a serial killer, I'm posting this from my jail cell I could probably kill someone if I needed to, like if my life was on the line or something. I'm already a sociopath, so I mean, I have no remorse/regret for anything I do as it is. 
I'm actually a serial killer, I'm posting this from my jail cell I could probably kill someone if I needed to, like if my life was on the line or something. I'm already a sociopath, so I mean, I have no remorse/regret for anything I do as it is. 
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I think I don't have the  will to kill someone else. I think I would feel so much guilt that it would drive me slowly and steady insane. But i think all can do it, but the will to do it is hidden somewhere in our brains, but something must happen to you to make the will come through. Like childhood trauma or something like that
I think I don't have the  will to kill someone else. I think I would feel so much guilt that it would drive me slowly and steady insane. But i think all can do it, but the will to do it is hidden somewhere in our brains, but something must happen to you to make the will come through. Like childhood trauma or something like that
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There are only two ways that I know that I could ever kill someone.

1. I lose control during a fight, I'll admit it right here I sometimes 'black-out', I'll sometimes get so upset that I can't remember things that I had done.

2. Self-Defense/Defense of another: If somebody forces me into a position where the ONLY way to prevent my death (or the death/serious bodily harm to another) is to take another life...I'd make it quick.
There are only two ways that I know that I could ever kill someone.

1. I lose control during a fight, I'll admit it right here I sometimes 'black-out', I'll sometimes get so upset that I can't remember things that I had done.

2. Self-Defense/Defense of another: If somebody forces me into a position where the ONLY way to prevent my death (or the death/serious bodily harm to another) is to take another life...I'd make it quick.
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Even you admit that you would kill in self-defense if someone was out to get you. That was the point of my other thread regarding the rights to carry a weapon in regards to personal safety. Don't assume you know me. I'm clearly not stupid, and I put my thoughts and efforts into topics before I write about them. Your logic apparently is; If you have a gun and the ability to kill someone in the night, that obviously makes you evil, but if you kill in self-defense it's all okay. Guns can be used for more than a means to end someone's life; they can also be used for disarming, propelling one in the air, slightly, when trying to escape a harmful situation, self-defense, or intimidation as opposed to bloodshed. There are actually  multiple factors in these sorts of situations; the person you kill at night might not be some random guy, but a serial killer. You go in full well knowing what he's capable of and do the dirty deed as an end to justify the means. Who says anyone with a gun would do just that for no reason at all? It would be meaningless to break into someone's house with no motive at all. Even robbers who break into someone's house with a clear goal towards robbing one's money might pull the trigger in self-defense, and aim to make sure they don't go in for the kill and they finish the theft as quickly as possible, as opposed to wasting their time killing someone and getting both noticed and caught. Don't assume things, sir.   
Even you admit that you would kill in self-defense if someone was out to get you. That was the point of my other thread regarding the rights to carry a weapon in regards to personal safety. Don't assume you know me. I'm clearly not stupid, and I put my thoughts and efforts into topics before I write about them. Your logic apparently is; If you have a gun and the ability to kill someone in the night, that obviously makes you evil, but if you kill in self-defense it's all okay. Guns can be used for more than a means to end someone's life; they can also be used for disarming, propelling one in the air, slightly, when trying to escape a harmful situation, self-defense, or intimidation as opposed to bloodshed. There are actually  multiple factors in these sorts of situations; the person you kill at night might not be some random guy, but a serial killer. You go in full well knowing what he's capable of and do the dirty deed as an end to justify the means. Who says anyone with a gun would do just that for no reason at all? It would be meaningless to break into someone's house with no motive at all. Even robbers who break into someone's house with a clear goal towards robbing one's money might pull the trigger in self-defense, and aim to make sure they don't go in for the kill and they finish the theft as quickly as possible, as opposed to wasting their time killing someone and getting both noticed and caught. Don't assume things, sir.   
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I was very recently presented with this exact dilemma. A fella My brother, and I know(I live with my little brother) stopped by and stayed with us not two weeks ago I think. Well we drank some malted liquor( which my brother , and I do daily). This fellow could not handle it so he starts talking all kinds of racist stuff about Nazis and all kinds of other stuff. We don't like that sort of thing so we told him to shut up about it, but he just went on, and on. Then my brother, and I cursed him out pretty good and kicked him out. Not long after I went to bed( I sleep in the garage BTY), and on my way there I passed him sitting in our swing. I was a little tipsy, and I said "Stupid M.F." Then I went to bed. Not long after that I guess, because I was asleep he kicked my door in and jumped on me , and started chocking me. I couldn't breath I tried calling for my brother, but I couldn't I got scared because my vision started to go, and I thought I was about to die. I then pulled a blade from my pocket and started stabbing him. I had no thoughts at all, myself just did it, and I lived......The cops came arrested him for assault( of course) I had self defence. Um well....thats that.
I was very recently presented with this exact dilemma. A fella My brother, and I know(I live with my little brother) stopped by and stayed with us not two weeks ago I think. Well we drank some malted liquor( which my brother , and I do daily). This fellow could not handle it so he starts talking all kinds of racist stuff about Nazis and all kinds of other stuff. We don't like that sort of thing so we told him to shut up about it, but he just went on, and on. Then my brother, and I cursed him out pretty good and kicked him out. Not long after I went to bed( I sleep in the garage BTY), and on my way there I passed him sitting in our swing. I was a little tipsy, and I said "Stupid M.F." Then I went to bed. Not long after that I guess, because I was asleep he kicked my door in and jumped on me , and started chocking me. I couldn't breath I tried calling for my brother, but I couldn't I got scared because my vision started to go, and I thought I was about to die. I then pulled a blade from my pocket and started stabbing him. I had no thoughts at all, myself just did it, and I lived......The cops came arrested him for assault( of course) I had self defence. Um well....thats that.
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I personally am a peace loving person and violence and death is the main reason that I hate to see anyone get hurt, so my answer is no, I would never kill under ANY circumstances, no matter what may happen. My only question is why do people believe that they are changing anything by killing another person, everyone is going to die at some point, why take away their precious moments away from them when it is everyone's right to enjoy life, not to head closer to death. I really despise any form of harassment/abuse and am ashamed that we live in a society that has occurrences of these so commonplace everyday, and the number of times this occurs without being heard is unaccountable, which for me is heart wrenching. Well I suppose I have ranted on far enough, everyone just be nice to one another and we can live in a better place. Have a good night!
I personally am a peace loving person and violence and death is the main reason that I hate to see anyone get hurt, so my answer is no, I would never kill under ANY circumstances, no matter what may happen. My only question is why do people believe that they are changing anything by killing another person, everyone is going to die at some point, why take away their precious moments away from them when it is everyone's right to enjoy life, not to head closer to death. I really despise any form of harassment/abuse and am ashamed that we live in a society that has occurrences of these so commonplace everyday, and the number of times this occurs without being heard is unaccountable, which for me is heart wrenching. Well I suppose I have ranted on far enough, everyone just be nice to one another and we can live in a better place. Have a good night!
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twilight : well I have a theory, I think that if someone kills another person if he is a robber or a killer
that they don't have to worry about that  person ever again or something once they get the job done.
twilight : well I have a theory, I think that if someone kills another person if he is a robber or a killer
that they don't have to worry about that  person ever again or something once they get the job done.
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hellno163 : true, but I would rather see the law do the judgement instead of doing the bloody work myself, its not my place to decide whether people live or die
hellno163 : true, but I would rather see the law do the judgement instead of doing the bloody work myself, its not my place to decide whether people live or die
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gameface138 :

That must have been terrifying. I'm glad you and your other family members are alright. Has anything else related to this incident happened since then?
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That must have been terrifying. I'm glad you and your other family members are alright. Has anything else related to this incident happened since then?
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In most cases, no I would not have the will to kill.

The exception would be if my life or someone else's life was in danger. If that were the case I would kill the attacker because it's a matter of self defense. I'm way too soft to kill in any other case xp (it's also against the law to kill so go figure).
In most cases, no I would not have the will to kill.

The exception would be if my life or someone else's life was in danger. If that were the case I would kill the attacker because it's a matter of self defense. I'm way too soft to kill in any other case xp (it's also against the law to kill so go figure).
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I don't think I have the heart to kill anyone at all because I believe that everyone should be able to live despite of their personality and character. I blame for my kind heart to think this way. I believe that people should die in a natural way but sadly death comes in many ways that some people will approve or not in society.
I don't think I have the heart to kill anyone at all because I believe that everyone should be able to live despite of their personality and character. I blame for my kind heart to think this way. I believe that people should die in a natural way but sadly death comes in many ways that some people will approve or not in society.
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