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It seems today that, whenever you turn The TV on, you are told about The next danger, be it terrorist attacks, a new dangerous drug or The "invasion" of "illegal" immigrants. While one must always be vigilant when it comes to one's security, I believe that it has quickly turned to paranoia.

Yes, terrorist attacks are "likely." However you are more at risk of getting shot by The police than in either a mass shooting or a terrorist attack, at least in industrialized countries. Similar to this fear is The xenophobia - there is no better word - surrounding The coming of "illegal" immigrants. This is rather ironic, considering that The American Continent IS full of immigrants... from Europe.

Seriously now, those migrants come because their country offers them no better possibility, sometimes because of policies from other countries (The Farm Bill and its subsidization of corn may have caused immigration from Mexico). Also, they do not "steal" jobs; they usually take those most people would not even want to do. Strawberry fields close to my parents' home are now (almost) exclusively "occupied" by Mexicans who come very summer since no "Native" people will do it. They bring in more money than they perceive, at least for The very first generation to come.

There is also this paranoia about protecting children. Of course, I do not want to IMAGINE what it feels like when your child gets abducted... but such cases are extremely rare. According to Lenore Skenazy, founder of The free-range parents movement, it would take 400,000 years to MAYBE run The risk of seeing your child abducted on a street corner. In other words, let them run free as must as you think it safe - I do not think I would let my children run free in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside or east of The Metro Red Line in southeast Washington D.C.

Finally, it seems that there is always a new product on The market that will cause a hazard. Of COURSE there might be a danger; but do we need an overbearing government to protect us from ALL dangers? Sometimes it gives rise to unintended consequences; Google Trish to know what I mean.

So, are we right to be fearful or is it downright paranoia?
It seems today that, whenever you turn The TV on, you are told about The next danger, be it terrorist attacks, a new dangerous drug or The "invasion" of "illegal" immigrants. While one must always be vigilant when it comes to one's security, I believe that it has quickly turned to paranoia.

Yes, terrorist attacks are "likely." However you are more at risk of getting shot by The police than in either a mass shooting or a terrorist attack, at least in industrialized countries. Similar to this fear is The xenophobia - there is no better word - surrounding The coming of "illegal" immigrants. This is rather ironic, considering that The American Continent IS full of immigrants... from Europe.

Seriously now, those migrants come because their country offers them no better possibility, sometimes because of policies from other countries (The Farm Bill and its subsidization of corn may have caused immigration from Mexico). Also, they do not "steal" jobs; they usually take those most people would not even want to do. Strawberry fields close to my parents' home are now (almost) exclusively "occupied" by Mexicans who come very summer since no "Native" people will do it. They bring in more money than they perceive, at least for The very first generation to come.

There is also this paranoia about protecting children. Of course, I do not want to IMAGINE what it feels like when your child gets abducted... but such cases are extremely rare. According to Lenore Skenazy, founder of The free-range parents movement, it would take 400,000 years to MAYBE run The risk of seeing your child abducted on a street corner. In other words, let them run free as must as you think it safe - I do not think I would let my children run free in Vancouver's Downtown Eastside or east of The Metro Red Line in southeast Washington D.C.

Finally, it seems that there is always a new product on The market that will cause a hazard. Of COURSE there might be a danger; but do we need an overbearing government to protect us from ALL dangers? Sometimes it gives rise to unintended consequences; Google Trish to know what I mean.

So, are we right to be fearful or is it downright paranoia?
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I think the main reason there's so much more troubling news now than there used to be is because of the fact that we now have technology that allows us to spread information more reliably and much more quickly than ever before (especially the internet). Twenty years ago if someone was shot in CA and you lived in Florida you would never hear about it. These days however, we hear about everything. "There was an earthquake in a country half a world away and 3,000 people died in it!" "There was someone shot in a festival in Portugal" "Someone three states away died of influenza!". All of these things matter, but all of these things were happening in the nineties, we just didn't know because our technology didn't make spreading all news worldwide possible.

Basically what I'm saying is, I don't think it's so much that more bad things are happening (though there probably is more crime today, just not as much of an increase as it seems) as it is that we can now hear about more of it than ever before.



And off-topicish, I disagree with your view on illegal immigration. Being bothered by illegal immigration isn't Xenophobia. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean we fear it. Now being opposed to ALL immigration is Xenophobia, or just good ol' racism. But I would be just as opposed to an American citizen leaving the US illegally as I am about a foreigner entering the US illegally. It's all a crime, and it should all be punished as such.

And no, there is no job that literally no American citizens would take if pushed to the point of necessity. I know that because I've been there, and so have other people I know. "I would NEVER work there" and a month later, guess who the new employee there was. xD These places wouldn't shut down if illegal immigration stopped, though they might be more inclined to make their workplaces more desirable (paying appropriate wages, cleaning it up a bit, etc.)

But despite a decent portion of your post being about your view on that, I don't feel that you intend for this thread to become a discussion about immigration policies. My apologies for such a long discourse on the matter. And this thread (discussion about so much bad news anymore) is a good topic for discussion. I look forward to seeing what everyone has to say.
I think the main reason there's so much more troubling news now than there used to be is because of the fact that we now have technology that allows us to spread information more reliably and much more quickly than ever before (especially the internet). Twenty years ago if someone was shot in CA and you lived in Florida you would never hear about it. These days however, we hear about everything. "There was an earthquake in a country half a world away and 3,000 people died in it!" "There was someone shot in a festival in Portugal" "Someone three states away died of influenza!". All of these things matter, but all of these things were happening in the nineties, we just didn't know because our technology didn't make spreading all news worldwide possible.

Basically what I'm saying is, I don't think it's so much that more bad things are happening (though there probably is more crime today, just not as much of an increase as it seems) as it is that we can now hear about more of it than ever before.



And off-topicish, I disagree with your view on illegal immigration. Being bothered by illegal immigration isn't Xenophobia. Disagreeing with something doesn't mean we fear it. Now being opposed to ALL immigration is Xenophobia, or just good ol' racism. But I would be just as opposed to an American citizen leaving the US illegally as I am about a foreigner entering the US illegally. It's all a crime, and it should all be punished as such.

And no, there is no job that literally no American citizens would take if pushed to the point of necessity. I know that because I've been there, and so have other people I know. "I would NEVER work there" and a month later, guess who the new employee there was. xD These places wouldn't shut down if illegal immigration stopped, though they might be more inclined to make their workplaces more desirable (paying appropriate wages, cleaning it up a bit, etc.)

But despite a decent portion of your post being about your view on that, I don't feel that you intend for this thread to become a discussion about immigration policies. My apologies for such a long discourse on the matter. And this thread (discussion about so much bad news anymore) is a good topic for discussion. I look forward to seeing what everyone has to say.
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We have the right to be fearful about these things but we still shouldn't be too fearful. Eirinn made an excellent point about technology allowing you to hear more now about the world than ever before. I think the reason why many of us are so fearful or even paranoid about the world's major and negative events is that more of us are hearing about them, and we're spreading it around to all our friends and acquaintances.

Also, we tend to spread our opinion on these matters as well. If you're telling someone about a mass shooting somewhere and you give your opinion on it to others, more debate will be spread about the subject. Sometimes even debate itself can cause fear in people. For example, even though I'm not into politics, I've been a little fearful about which one of the candidates will become president of the U.S. next year. It's just because of all the debate going around about it, and most of the debates I've heard are negative about each one of them. But that's a subject for a separate thread. There's already a thread about Donald Trump anyways.
We have the right to be fearful about these things but we still shouldn't be too fearful. Eirinn made an excellent point about technology allowing you to hear more now about the world than ever before. I think the reason why many of us are so fearful or even paranoid about the world's major and negative events is that more of us are hearing about them, and we're spreading it around to all our friends and acquaintances.

Also, we tend to spread our opinion on these matters as well. If you're telling someone about a mass shooting somewhere and you give your opinion on it to others, more debate will be spread about the subject. Sometimes even debate itself can cause fear in people. For example, even though I'm not into politics, I've been a little fearful about which one of the candidates will become president of the U.S. next year. It's just because of all the debate going around about it, and most of the debates I've heard are negative about each one of them. But that's a subject for a separate thread. There's already a thread about Donald Trump anyways.
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Eirinn : True, technology has enabled us to know more about what happens at The other end of The world. However it seems to be quite selective. I do not support Israel (nor any country for that matter) but it seems that The media only report on their counter strike from rocket launches from enemies purposely done in civilian areas. I heard someone say that you need 100 to 1000 deaths abroad for every death nearby to make it "newsworthy".

And no, you were not off topic about immigration. It IS one of The subjects I brought forward. But I stand by what I say for JEEEEEEEEERBS: "no one" takes The menial jobs when welfare is generous enough. It is all a matter of incentives: if you are hit by a (nearly) effective tax rate of 100 percent The moment you make a penny more that a certain threshold, you will not take The menial job.

Also, all this paranoia about "Muslims taking over Europe" over The flood of refugees from Syria is mostly overblown. Of COURSE there might be terrorists among them, but should we block people suffering from finding a better life because of a few extremists? The only people we should be watching are our own politicians who give in to those few people who want to criminalize criticizing them. It is destroying The United Kingdom, Canada is at a crossroad on that matter, and speech codes are plaguing campuses across The United States.

PacmanandMariofan : I am ALWAYS fearful of ANYONE getting elected. To quote a recent meme: The next president is like a Star Wars character yielding a red lightsaber. We know he will be bad, we just do not now HOW bad yet.
Eirinn : True, technology has enabled us to know more about what happens at The other end of The world. However it seems to be quite selective. I do not support Israel (nor any country for that matter) but it seems that The media only report on their counter strike from rocket launches from enemies purposely done in civilian areas. I heard someone say that you need 100 to 1000 deaths abroad for every death nearby to make it "newsworthy".

And no, you were not off topic about immigration. It IS one of The subjects I brought forward. But I stand by what I say for JEEEEEEEEERBS: "no one" takes The menial jobs when welfare is generous enough. It is all a matter of incentives: if you are hit by a (nearly) effective tax rate of 100 percent The moment you make a penny more that a certain threshold, you will not take The menial job.

Also, all this paranoia about "Muslims taking over Europe" over The flood of refugees from Syria is mostly overblown. Of COURSE there might be terrorists among them, but should we block people suffering from finding a better life because of a few extremists? The only people we should be watching are our own politicians who give in to those few people who want to criminalize criticizing them. It is destroying The United Kingdom, Canada is at a crossroad on that matter, and speech codes are plaguing campuses across The United States.

PacmanandMariofan : I am ALWAYS fearful of ANYONE getting elected. To quote a recent meme: The next president is like a Star Wars character yielding a red lightsaber. We know he will be bad, we just do not now HOW bad yet.
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On the immigration thing: to each his own. I don't like to debate so I'll leave it at a friendly exchange of opinions.

As for bad news, you made an excellent point about Israel. Basically the media picks a side and classifies them as victims regardless of what they do. The media slants everything.

And this IS a bit off topic, but I can't help but laugh at the debate "does Israel have the right to defend themselves?". Seriously? Let me punch you and your family in the face and see if you think there's a reason to debate whether or not you have a right to defend yourself. Or let someone attack your country, and then we can see if you want to debate whether your country has the right to defend itself. And if Israel attacks someone else, then they can defend themselves. It's inhumane to tell someone they have to take attacks against their country and not defend themselves.
On the immigration thing: to each his own. I don't like to debate so I'll leave it at a friendly exchange of opinions.

As for bad news, you made an excellent point about Israel. Basically the media picks a side and classifies them as victims regardless of what they do. The media slants everything.

And this IS a bit off topic, but I can't help but laugh at the debate "does Israel have the right to defend themselves?". Seriously? Let me punch you and your family in the face and see if you think there's a reason to debate whether or not you have a right to defend yourself. Or let someone attack your country, and then we can see if you want to debate whether your country has the right to defend itself. And if Israel attacks someone else, then they can defend themselves. It's inhumane to tell someone they have to take attacks against their country and not defend themselves.
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Eirinn : The pilgrims came to this country illegally so what's the difference if a Mexican does it now?
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The pilgrims did it centuries ago when the people were just small tribes. Did they take advantage of them? yes. Fear is a good thing,it keeps us safe,from being too complacent. Terrorists are all over,a lot of them are just sleepers. Will I live my life in fear? No. You want to kill me go ahead,but if you think you can point a gun at me and I will comply,wrong.
The pilgrims did it centuries ago when the people were just small tribes. Did they take advantage of them? yes. Fear is a good thing,it keeps us safe,from being too complacent. Terrorists are all over,a lot of them are just sleepers. Will I live my life in fear? No. You want to kill me go ahead,but if you think you can point a gun at me and I will comply,wrong.
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I think that the world is a dangerous place. Anything can happen to you at any point. Heck you could be walking down the street and get run over by a drunk driver, or be sitting in your house and have the neighbor keep their gas stove on too long and blow up the neighborhood. I mean ANYTHING could happen at any time. It's much more likely in my opinion that something like that would happen then being killed by a terrorist, but I guess you never know

IF you live your whole life in fear you won't be able to enjoy it. Life is too short to spend it miserable or in fear all the time. Just try not to worry about all of that.

News media tries to dredge up ratings, so the best way for them to do that is sell fear, doom, etc.

I think that the world is a dangerous place. Anything can happen to you at any point. Heck you could be walking down the street and get run over by a drunk driver, or be sitting in your house and have the neighbor keep their gas stove on too long and blow up the neighborhood. I mean ANYTHING could happen at any time. It's much more likely in my opinion that something like that would happen then being killed by a terrorist, but I guess you never know

IF you live your whole life in fear you won't be able to enjoy it. Life is too short to spend it miserable or in fear all the time. Just try not to worry about all of that.

News media tries to dredge up ratings, so the best way for them to do that is sell fear, doom, etc.

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Oldschool777 : That is the spirit! I personally never believe I am completely safe, but I will not let it go in my way since the risks of it actually happening are too slim.

Jordanv78 : Exactly! Carpe Diem; that way if you indeed die suddenly at least you will have fewer regrets. As for the media: yes, unfortunately. I was a journalist for 2 years, and sensations (whatever they may be) is a seller.
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Jordanv78 : Exactly! Carpe Diem; that way if you indeed die suddenly at least you will have fewer regrets. As for the media: yes, unfortunately. I was a journalist for 2 years, and sensations (whatever they may be) is a seller.
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I think we are in danger, by nature we face death on a daily basis, but, I think the government exaggerates those dangers to pass unconstitutional laws, increase the pharmaceutical market, get us to buy more protection and spend more money on things that we may actually never get to use, and to have a control over our decisions on our own lives and our families. I just think danger is part of life and the government should of course protect us from terrorism and such but, not all dangers need government laws or intervene. 
I think we are in danger, by nature we face death on a daily basis, but, I think the government exaggerates those dangers to pass unconstitutional laws, increase the pharmaceutical market, get us to buy more protection and spend more money on things that we may actually never get to use, and to have a control over our decisions on our own lives and our families. I just think danger is part of life and the government should of course protect us from terrorism and such but, not all dangers need government laws or intervene. 
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jlove92 : I'm starting to like you more . Yes, we don't need a nanny that's trying to protect us from ourselves. We have to learn from our mistakes if we are to grow as humans. Otherwise the slightest danger will leave us completely hopeless.
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The media gets better ratings if they exaggerate the nastiness.
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Txgangsta : Of course! Catastrophe (and sex) sells big time.

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Well isn't the earth kind of just destined to end weather it's by flooding do to the ozone layer thinning. Or the earth moves to far away from the sun and we freeze and there's also the scenario where the planet will basically be one big active volcano.
Well isn't the earth kind of just destined to end weather it's by flooding do to the ozone layer thinning. Or the earth moves to far away from the sun and we freeze and there's also the scenario where the planet will basically be one big active volcano.
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We are without a doubt living in fear because the biggest news stories are events that would occur in 1/10 and they make a big deal about it to the point society is afraid to keep their doors unlock and claim today isn't what it used to be because they let fear take over their lives.  People are gonna make bad decisions in life whether it is robbery, murder, or drugs but guess what?! So does Earth with its hurricanes, tsunamis, and earthquakes.
We are without a doubt living in fear because the biggest news stories are events that would occur in 1/10 and they make a big deal about it to the point society is afraid to keep their doors unlock and claim today isn't what it used to be because they let fear take over their lives.  People are gonna make bad decisions in life whether it is robbery, murder, or drugs but guess what?! So does Earth with its hurricanes, tsunamis, and earthquakes.
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well we have to report bad news, would you let a escape killer run free and you could have stop it. yes its not a happy thing but good stuff happens too, only you control what you watch. now for something completely different, a news report about happy endings

(news 39: Hopes and dreams carry on air)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l69v6SVoE9k

mexico has a very long story but like everyone says "living in mexico is impossible for a family". the only bad guys in the long battle are the congress people that you yes you americans vote for each time. we know all about your republic and demodectic leaders, we know that they are paid more to "support" something. you know what's more worst than the people voting to have mexico families deported (voting for trump) is that we all know that you americans never accept the ideas of refugee mexicans. we know it happen when black people first got rights to di stuff but were treated badly, dont think we knew. america has the power to help mexico but never did, however they did accept refugee syria people.

on mexico you only could get drug dealers which is not a big deal because they are either going to die from overdose or kill another drug dealer. by allowing to accept syrian refugee you americans run the risk of people dying and you all blame it on someone (aka: skype goat).

parents will always be parents, this topic is very gray since some do talk to kids about death while others talk about sex and very common parents talk about what not to do. you cant do anything about this, just let parents be parents no reason to stop them (also no law to stop them).

on the topic of product sells, just stop supporting those kinds of companies.  you have the internet, look up who is partner with who and never buy from them, hurt them were it matters, the money and maybe some loss of few employees that didnt do anything wrong.
well we have to report bad news, would you let a escape killer run free and you could have stop it. yes its not a happy thing but good stuff happens too, only you control what you watch. now for something completely different, a news report about happy endings

(news 39: Hopes and dreams carry on air)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l69v6SVoE9k

mexico has a very long story but like everyone says "living in mexico is impossible for a family". the only bad guys in the long battle are the congress people that you yes you americans vote for each time. we know all about your republic and demodectic leaders, we know that they are paid more to "support" something. you know what's more worst than the people voting to have mexico families deported (voting for trump) is that we all know that you americans never accept the ideas of refugee mexicans. we know it happen when black people first got rights to di stuff but were treated badly, dont think we knew. america has the power to help mexico but never did, however they did accept refugee syria people.

on mexico you only could get drug dealers which is not a big deal because they are either going to die from overdose or kill another drug dealer. by allowing to accept syrian refugee you americans run the risk of people dying and you all blame it on someone (aka: skype goat).

parents will always be parents, this topic is very gray since some do talk to kids about death while others talk about sex and very common parents talk about what not to do. you cant do anything about this, just let parents be parents no reason to stop them (also no law to stop them).

on the topic of product sells, just stop supporting those kinds of companies.  you have the internet, look up who is partner with who and never buy from them, hurt them were it matters, the money and maybe some loss of few employees that didnt do anything wrong.
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This is why I don't look at the news, I don't want to hear all the evil in the world because it makes me sad. So.I don't have much to be paranoid about since I hear nothing to be paranoid about.
This is why I don't look at the news, I don't want to hear all the evil in the world because it makes me sad. So.I don't have much to be paranoid about since I hear nothing to be paranoid about.
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In the US, a big part of it is the government trying to keep us in a constant state of fear. If we fear crime, they will be more likely to approve a tax increase for fighting crime. If we fear terrorist attacks, then we'll be ok with them spending more and more tax dollars on the military. If we fear highways aren't safe to drive on, more tax revenue for fixing the highways. The media and the government work together to control the masses as best they can, and fear mongering is one of their more used techniques.
In the US, a big part of it is the government trying to keep us in a constant state of fear. If we fear crime, they will be more likely to approve a tax increase for fighting crime. If we fear terrorist attacks, then we'll be ok with them spending more and more tax dollars on the military. If we fear highways aren't safe to drive on, more tax revenue for fixing the highways. The media and the government work together to control the masses as best they can, and fear mongering is one of their more used techniques.
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We should be cautious. Sure, it might be unlikely for terrorism or child abduction to come your way, but anything can happen. Stay alert and stay safe. It helps to be aware of your surroundings.
We should be cautious. Sure, it might be unlikely for terrorism or child abduction to come your way, but anything can happen. Stay alert and stay safe. It helps to be aware of your surroundings.
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