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When would anarchy actually work?

 

06-03-14 05:29 AM
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Truthfully I can't ever see it working even with a small society. Let's say we did remove the government in a small country (we'll just call it Troll country for social purpouses) and analyze the possible outcomes.

Economy - With anarchy in place there would be no tradin with other countries. Troll country would have a case of supply and demand on their hands. Prices wouldn't be fair at all and because there is no government the economy would just crash. A country has to trade in order to have a healthy economy, that is a fact.

Law and Order - Let's face it; there are always going to be criminals in any place in the world. No matter how small. Since there is no rules what's to stop them from doing what they want? It could be murder, rape or even small things like petty theft. They have absoloutely nothing to fear as they WILL NOT get punished for it whatsoever. It will be total chaos because if one person does it all that will happen is that it will spread. Eventually it will be pure chaos.
Theft will happen indefenitely because eventually everyone will be broke with the high prices and no paying jobs. You can just go a take it.

Survival - Because it will all end up in people taking law in to their own hands, crime everywhere and no goods to survive and prosper with everything will just be pure chaos. It will all be everyone for themselves. Eventually all morals will be lost because without any form of social conditioning they will lose them quite quickly. It will be as if everyone were just placed on a rock with nothing but their primitive instincts to survive.

The end result is with just those 3 things Troll country's downfall is innevitable. There are many other factors but these are basically the biggest ones. The only time anarchy would work is if you're stuck on an island with a group of your most loathed and despicable enemies. Because then it's all just chaos anyways.
Truthfully I can't ever see it working even with a small society. Let's say we did remove the government in a small country (we'll just call it Troll country for social purpouses) and analyze the possible outcomes.

Economy - With anarchy in place there would be no tradin with other countries. Troll country would have a case of supply and demand on their hands. Prices wouldn't be fair at all and because there is no government the economy would just crash. A country has to trade in order to have a healthy economy, that is a fact.

Law and Order - Let's face it; there are always going to be criminals in any place in the world. No matter how small. Since there is no rules what's to stop them from doing what they want? It could be murder, rape or even small things like petty theft. They have absoloutely nothing to fear as they WILL NOT get punished for it whatsoever. It will be total chaos because if one person does it all that will happen is that it will spread. Eventually it will be pure chaos.
Theft will happen indefenitely because eventually everyone will be broke with the high prices and no paying jobs. You can just go a take it.

Survival - Because it will all end up in people taking law in to their own hands, crime everywhere and no goods to survive and prosper with everything will just be pure chaos. It will all be everyone for themselves. Eventually all morals will be lost because without any form of social conditioning they will lose them quite quickly. It will be as if everyone were just placed on a rock with nothing but their primitive instincts to survive.

The end result is with just those 3 things Troll country's downfall is innevitable. There are many other factors but these are basically the biggest ones. The only time anarchy would work is if you're stuck on an island with a group of your most loathed and despicable enemies. Because then it's all just chaos anyways.
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Blubcreator : You are one of those people who thinks people can't govern themselves.
You would probably rather have government tie your shoes or make you breakfast or everything else.

And when you said

"Law and Order - Let's face it; there are always going
to be criminals in any place in the world. No matter how small. Since
there is no rules what's to stop them from doing what they want? It
could be murder, rape or even small things like petty theft. They have absolutely nothing to fear as they WILL NOT get punished for it
whatsoever. It will be total chaos because if one person does it all
that will happen is that it will spread. Eventually it will be pure
chaos.

Theft will happen indefinitely because eventually everyone will be
broke with the high prices and no paying jobs. You can just go a take
it."

That is not 100% true there will be those who resort to this some simply to try to get there precious government back.
There will be responsible people to. Criminals will exist in some form but Its not like they will have nothing and no one to stop them.
It might need a small group to keep them in check but still there will be people stopping them.

And last but not least why do you think government some how knows better. They Don't and next time please spell check I had to do it for you
Blubcreator : You are one of those people who thinks people can't govern themselves.
You would probably rather have government tie your shoes or make you breakfast or everything else.

And when you said

"Law and Order - Let's face it; there are always going
to be criminals in any place in the world. No matter how small. Since
there is no rules what's to stop them from doing what they want? It
could be murder, rape or even small things like petty theft. They have absolutely nothing to fear as they WILL NOT get punished for it
whatsoever. It will be total chaos because if one person does it all
that will happen is that it will spread. Eventually it will be pure
chaos.

Theft will happen indefinitely because eventually everyone will be
broke with the high prices and no paying jobs. You can just go a take
it."

That is not 100% true there will be those who resort to this some simply to try to get there precious government back.
There will be responsible people to. Criminals will exist in some form but Its not like they will have nothing and no one to stop them.
It might need a small group to keep them in check but still there will be people stopping them.

And last but not least why do you think government some how knows better. They Don't and next time please spell check I had to do it for you
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4cars2 : You're right I don't think people can govern themselves. The way you're describing it is where everyone is making a make shift government. It's not really anarchy then is it.

Lastly try and be mature, 5 typos isn't the end of the world.
4cars2 : You're right I don't think people can govern themselves. The way you're describing it is where everyone is making a make shift government. It's not really anarchy then is it.

Lastly try and be mature, 5 typos isn't the end of the world.
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Blubcreator : Well although i disagree i can see from your view. I just think people could govern themselves.

But in what way does government do a better job.
Blubcreator : Well although i disagree i can see from your view. I just think people could govern themselves.

But in what way does government do a better job.
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4cars2 : I like you. If you would ever like to discuss politics feel free to pm me. I think we may have some of the same political points of view but enough differences to have something to talk about.
4cars2 : I like you. If you would ever like to discuss politics feel free to pm me. I think we may have some of the same political points of view but enough differences to have something to talk about.
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4cars2 : I don't think the government really knows best at all. I know they can be corrupt and greedy a lot of the time. However the fact is the system was originally all created by us and it works now. It's not perfect but we can't go without it. If people tried to govern themselves the same thing would end up happening. Some people will try to stick to morals and some would get power hungry.

It's hard to explain this perfectly but hopefully I got my point explained well.
4cars2 : I don't think the government really knows best at all. I know they can be corrupt and greedy a lot of the time. However the fact is the system was originally all created by us and it works now. It's not perfect but we can't go without it. If people tried to govern themselves the same thing would end up happening. Some people will try to stick to morals and some would get power hungry.

It's hard to explain this perfectly but hopefully I got my point explained well.
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Blubcreator : Thats a fair opinion and youve made a good point. I i think what you are trying to say is:
The government may not be the best but its better than no order.

I think that we can govern ourselves but there will need to be some kind of group or order, but I would rather have no government than corrupt government. But you have definitely made a good point
Blubcreator : Thats a fair opinion and youve made a good point. I i think what you are trying to say is:
The government may not be the best but its better than no order.

I think that we can govern ourselves but there will need to be some kind of group or order, but I would rather have no government than corrupt government. But you have definitely made a good point
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Would I like to see this happen? Yes.
Will this ever happen? No.

The only way I could ever see this working is it all currency is just completely scrapped. Everything is free. But, there is a system set up to where you could only have so much of something, so that everything is kept fair.
Would I like to see this happen? Yes.
Will this ever happen? No.

The only way I could ever see this working is it all currency is just completely scrapped. Everything is free. But, there is a system set up to where you could only have so much of something, so that everything is kept fair.
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The real answer to this question is yes. Anarchy can work, and it worked for thousands of years before governments were set up. The real question is, would we be ableeventualityly switch from our current government to anarchy.

This is how I see it playing out. We remove the government. It is chaotic at first, but eventually "survival of the fittest" and that kind of stuff start to kick in. Eventually, everything settles down we live a much simpler way of life, where we trade goods and service for other goods and services instead of money. Essentially what I am saying is that in order for this to work, we would have to go back to the old way of life. So yes it would work, but it wouldn't be smooth and I doubt most people would like it.
The real answer to this question is yes. Anarchy can work, and it worked for thousands of years before governments were set up. The real question is, would we be ableeventualityly switch from our current government to anarchy.

This is how I see it playing out. We remove the government. It is chaotic at first, but eventually "survival of the fittest" and that kind of stuff start to kick in. Eventually, everything settles down we live a much simpler way of life, where we trade goods and service for other goods and services instead of money. Essentially what I am saying is that in order for this to work, we would have to go back to the old way of life. So yes it would work, but it wouldn't be smooth and I doubt most people would like it.
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Anarchy would be the absence of any kind of government or law whatsoever. Every person would be out for themselves, there wouldn't even be familial bonds. 

I don't think it'd work. Imagine if from the day you were born, you had to fight everyone- even your brother- for existence. I don't even think it'd be possible for total anarchy, people are programmed to, well, bow down to whoever is stronger and can protect them. What would actually work better is family units. No government over them, but the word of your family elders is law. Or the law of the strongest, I don't know. It would regress us back thousands of years, but frankly I don't see that as a bad thing. We could do with a lower population, and less of an ability to drain the Earth of it's resources. No, I'm not a hippy, but I do recognize that we're consuming resources faster than we can really replace them. If we were back to, say,the bronze age, with no memory of modern age to mope over, we'd be a lot happier.

I say that in particular because there'd be a lot less mental illness. Most of it nowadays is boredom. ADHD, ADD, depression, and mania can be combated if you're too busy with near death to worry about it! 
Anarchy would be the absence of any kind of government or law whatsoever. Every person would be out for themselves, there wouldn't even be familial bonds. 

I don't think it'd work. Imagine if from the day you were born, you had to fight everyone- even your brother- for existence. I don't even think it'd be possible for total anarchy, people are programmed to, well, bow down to whoever is stronger and can protect them. What would actually work better is family units. No government over them, but the word of your family elders is law. Or the law of the strongest, I don't know. It would regress us back thousands of years, but frankly I don't see that as a bad thing. We could do with a lower population, and less of an ability to drain the Earth of it's resources. No, I'm not a hippy, but I do recognize that we're consuming resources faster than we can really replace them. If we were back to, say,the bronze age, with no memory of modern age to mope over, we'd be a lot happier.

I say that in particular because there'd be a lot less mental illness. Most of it nowadays is boredom. ADHD, ADD, depression, and mania can be combated if you're too busy with near death to worry about it! 
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No, I don't believe it would ever work. Take the purge movies, for example. That is what it would be like with total anarchy. If the wrong people got their hands on the wrong weapons.....It would be total chaos.
No, I don't believe it would ever work. Take the purge movies, for example. That is what it would be like with total anarchy. If the wrong people got their hands on the wrong weapons.....It would be total chaos.
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The problem is if the government shut down today Everybody would have to be for themselves and if there was Anarchy theirs no laws so people would go to stores and take what the want and trample over everyone else so that would lead to all stores shutting down and you would have to start hunting and growing crops. Also of coarse electricity would be shutting off as well, and sense theirs no reason to progress technology wouldn't be made anymore and human progression would probably go backwards over a few generations.  Then there is the problem with all the crazy people threw out the world if theirs no laws all the rapists and killers could roam free unless we found out who the were but the would get there hands on weapons  that would probably lead to people wanting a protection force  which would lead to a government and of coarse since theirs no government there would be nothing to protect us from a invading country (if there is any) or a group of mobsters that would group around each other and pretty much form a government that would shoot everyone in there way.

With that being said maybe on day if people wise up and stop fighting each other and actually want to help each other and find a better way of a economy system other than money we won't need a government as much but until we evolve to do so it would be nothing but total chaos threwout.
The problem is if the government shut down today Everybody would have to be for themselves and if there was Anarchy theirs no laws so people would go to stores and take what the want and trample over everyone else so that would lead to all stores shutting down and you would have to start hunting and growing crops. Also of coarse electricity would be shutting off as well, and sense theirs no reason to progress technology wouldn't be made anymore and human progression would probably go backwards over a few generations.  Then there is the problem with all the crazy people threw out the world if theirs no laws all the rapists and killers could roam free unless we found out who the were but the would get there hands on weapons  that would probably lead to people wanting a protection force  which would lead to a government and of coarse since theirs no government there would be nothing to protect us from a invading country (if there is any) or a group of mobsters that would group around each other and pretty much form a government that would shoot everyone in there way.

With that being said maybe on day if people wise up and stop fighting each other and actually want to help each other and find a better way of a economy system other than money we won't need a government as much but until we evolve to do so it would be nothing but total chaos threwout.
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sometimes things have to get so bad before they can get better so once the anarchy cleared and everything stabilized it would be a fresh start for everyone

like in portugal drugs got so out of hand causing so much crime poverty and jail overcrowding that portugal actually decriminalized every single drugs now there doing better then they ever have like i said sometimes things have to get really bad in order for them to get much better so maybe not complete anarchy but a little might be good for everyone

if that makes any sense!
sometimes things have to get so bad before they can get better so once the anarchy cleared and everything stabilized it would be a fresh start for everyone

like in portugal drugs got so out of hand causing so much crime poverty and jail overcrowding that portugal actually decriminalized every single drugs now there doing better then they ever have like i said sometimes things have to get really bad in order for them to get much better so maybe not complete anarchy but a little might be good for everyone

if that makes any sense!
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