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12-05-12 05:07 AM
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RalphTheWonderLlama :

"It's exactly equivalent to denying that there are many Christians who evangelize aggressively and obnoxiously just because they don't do it unless somebody sets them off by saying anything remotely different from what they believe."

Good so you got my point, although I'm not sure what I'm denying if that's what you meant. Typically atheists are the ones responding to theists and not the other way around. Again that's from my experience.

I'm not trying to say that atheist's have never preached on the streets, went picketing in public areas, put up billboards, knocked on doors with The Origin of Species in hand, handed out candy to kids in public parks asking them to recite quotes from atheistic books (personal local example) , randomly proclaimed their belief system to people or even made youtube videos promoting their beliefs ... I'm sure some atheist out there probably has done crap like this but the truth of the matter is that this type of crap is usually done by theists. These actions are just asking for a response.

This thread is titled "Are atheists hypocrites" and the topic creator said "I bring this up because i heard a joke.  I think it is semi-accurate:  "How do you know if someone's an Atheist?  Because they'll F****ING TELL YOU!" " .

Basically what I'm trying to say is that they (generally) only "F****ING TELL YOU!" because you F****ING TELL THEM about your belief system. The message in the original post seemed kind of hypocritical in itself when viewed in this way.

If you are going to publicly display your beliefs you should expect reactions from people who both agree and disagree with you. I think it's a rather simple conclusion to come to that I was trying to point out to the topic creator. This goes for any topic and subject matter and is as relevant to atheists as it is theists.


" Bookstores are choked now with nasty, bullying, childish 300(0)-page rants on God and religion."
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone since many homes, hotels, churches and some schools have been choked full of these type of books for looooong time. (Jokes are allowed in this thread right?)
RalphTheWonderLlama :

"It's exactly equivalent to denying that there are many Christians who evangelize aggressively and obnoxiously just because they don't do it unless somebody sets them off by saying anything remotely different from what they believe."

Good so you got my point, although I'm not sure what I'm denying if that's what you meant. Typically atheists are the ones responding to theists and not the other way around. Again that's from my experience.

I'm not trying to say that atheist's have never preached on the streets, went picketing in public areas, put up billboards, knocked on doors with The Origin of Species in hand, handed out candy to kids in public parks asking them to recite quotes from atheistic books (personal local example) , randomly proclaimed their belief system to people or even made youtube videos promoting their beliefs ... I'm sure some atheist out there probably has done crap like this but the truth of the matter is that this type of crap is usually done by theists. These actions are just asking for a response.

This thread is titled "Are atheists hypocrites" and the topic creator said "I bring this up because i heard a joke.  I think it is semi-accurate:  "How do you know if someone's an Atheist?  Because they'll F****ING TELL YOU!" " .

Basically what I'm trying to say is that they (generally) only "F****ING TELL YOU!" because you F****ING TELL THEM about your belief system. The message in the original post seemed kind of hypocritical in itself when viewed in this way.

If you are going to publicly display your beliefs you should expect reactions from people who both agree and disagree with you. I think it's a rather simple conclusion to come to that I was trying to point out to the topic creator. This goes for any topic and subject matter and is as relevant to atheists as it is theists.


" Bookstores are choked now with nasty, bullying, childish 300(0)-page rants on God and religion."
This shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone since many homes, hotels, churches and some schools have been choked full of these type of books for looooong time. (Jokes are allowed in this thread right?)
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tRIUNE :
You probably didnt get it because you were looking too hard, its very basic.
Its basicaly saying you know an atheist on sight because they always have to talk about how they dont believe in god, instead of keeping quite, because apparently thats a uniquely atheist trait/sarcasm.
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You probably didnt get it because you were looking too hard, its very basic.
Its basicaly saying you know an atheist on sight because they always have to talk about how they dont believe in god, instead of keeping quite, because apparently thats a uniquely atheist trait/sarcasm.
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Honestly in my opinion yes. At least in my experience. I have been called a bigot and an idiot by the same people who also preached to me tolerance and having an open mind. I've also been told not to impose my beliefs when giving a opinion. Even though again, the same people press their opinions quite fervently. I've also noticed about the ones I've argued with, they like to sound angry and condescending, but cry foul when you do it back. Though quite honestly, I don't care. I've been through this many many times. I'm fine with it. Not to mention I've lost my temper in a few arguments.  Sometimes someone will do all of what I mentioned, and sometimes I'll get angry. 
Honestly in my opinion yes. At least in my experience. I have been called a bigot and an idiot by the same people who also preached to me tolerance and having an open mind. I've also been told not to impose my beliefs when giving a opinion. Even though again, the same people press their opinions quite fervently. I've also noticed about the ones I've argued with, they like to sound angry and condescending, but cry foul when you do it back. Though quite honestly, I don't care. I've been through this many many times. I'm fine with it. Not to mention I've lost my temper in a few arguments.  Sometimes someone will do all of what I mentioned, and sometimes I'll get angry. 
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To be completely honest I think there are people who use atheism to gain the attentions of others and that is some preach about how God is completely fiction, but true atheist wouldn't care one way or another what religion there fellow man is even if it is their best friend. I person am an atheist, and my best friend is Catholic and my girlfriend is Christian but I let them follow their own path because it is not mine to decide it is there's. I can completely see how you could think that atheist are hypocritical and to sadly say that most today are, because they just want to complain about God and blah when really that is not what atheism is about, sure we don't believe in any kind of higher power but there is also a thing called tolerance that we all need to share. I have found that religion and race have become kind of the same, for instance there are people who don't like black people and people who don't like Christians, and they look at them with the same look 'they are different than me, so I should hate them' and that is not at all how they should be looked at, instead of looking at what is different they should look at common ground. But I digress a bit, atheism to a lot of people today is nothing more than a cry for attention and honestly that is sad.
To be completely honest I think there are people who use atheism to gain the attentions of others and that is some preach about how God is completely fiction, but true atheist wouldn't care one way or another what religion there fellow man is even if it is their best friend. I person am an atheist, and my best friend is Catholic and my girlfriend is Christian but I let them follow their own path because it is not mine to decide it is there's. I can completely see how you could think that atheist are hypocritical and to sadly say that most today are, because they just want to complain about God and blah when really that is not what atheism is about, sure we don't believe in any kind of higher power but there is also a thing called tolerance that we all need to share. I have found that religion and race have become kind of the same, for instance there are people who don't like black people and people who don't like Christians, and they look at them with the same look 'they are different than me, so I should hate them' and that is not at all how they should be looked at, instead of looking at what is different they should look at common ground. But I digress a bit, atheism to a lot of people today is nothing more than a cry for attention and honestly that is sad.
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warmaker : I don't want to call anyone hypocritical, but honestly, atheists have a huge fallacy in their logic. Darwin himself said that creatures reproduce when happy. Atheists say religion is ONLY to make you happy. So, according to what Darwin said, they should be PROMOTING any type of religion because it makes people happy and then they reproduce and survival of the fittest comes in and all that jazz. But you do have a good point: atheists attack Christianity, and it's not just them. Lots of religions do. It is a bit of a "hiding in the dark, hate the light" sort of thing, but it's also the fact that Christians don't fight back- or shouldn't anyway, since Jesus says so. They turn the other cheek. Also, why would they call us bigots when they tote tolerance? I don't know and they can do what they like.
warmaker : I don't want to call anyone hypocritical, but honestly, atheists have a huge fallacy in their logic. Darwin himself said that creatures reproduce when happy. Atheists say religion is ONLY to make you happy. So, according to what Darwin said, they should be PROMOTING any type of religion because it makes people happy and then they reproduce and survival of the fittest comes in and all that jazz. But you do have a good point: atheists attack Christianity, and it's not just them. Lots of religions do. It is a bit of a "hiding in the dark, hate the light" sort of thing, but it's also the fact that Christians don't fight back- or shouldn't anyway, since Jesus says so. They turn the other cheek. Also, why would they call us bigots when they tote tolerance? I don't know and they can do what they like.
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Dragonlord Sephi: What. I want complete reliable source for that. That's absurd. Creatures reproduce so they can SURVIVE, not ONLY because it makes you HAPPY. Yes, it gives off something (IIRC, chemical reaction) that makes you happy or something, but that is no where near the right answer, and I believe you either are reading from a bad source or have something confused, Nya~.

Christians do fight back, and most times start the fight. Specifically by taking away and limiting our rights as human beings.
Dragonlord Sephi: What. I want complete reliable source for that. That's absurd. Creatures reproduce so they can SURVIVE, not ONLY because it makes you HAPPY. Yes, it gives off something (IIRC, chemical reaction) that makes you happy or something, but that is no where near the right answer, and I believe you either are reading from a bad source or have something confused, Nya~.

Christians do fight back, and most times start the fight. Specifically by taking away and limiting our rights as human beings.
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I'm an Atheist and I actively avoid discussions about religion and don't tell people that I am Atheist unless they ask. What I believe in doesn't matter to random people.

My mom is a christian and pretty conservative but her friend makes my mom look like a moderate. My mom's friend is always spouting scripture and can't talk about anything without bringing up her religion. She was over for a few minutes the other day and couldn't stop spouting off the entire time. Do people like that not realize that not everybody shares their religious beliefs? I was actually fairly offended but wanted to be nice to my mother's friend.
I'm an Atheist and I actively avoid discussions about religion and don't tell people that I am Atheist unless they ask. What I believe in doesn't matter to random people.

My mom is a christian and pretty conservative but her friend makes my mom look like a moderate. My mom's friend is always spouting scripture and can't talk about anything without bringing up her religion. She was over for a few minutes the other day and couldn't stop spouting off the entire time. Do people like that not realize that not everybody shares their religious beliefs? I was actually fairly offended but wanted to be nice to my mother's friend.
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Hoochman : I've had the same experiences, even here on vizzed (MANY times, actually).  LOL But it happens everywhere you go on the net, so I'm used to it as well.  You just expressed it so much better than I have ever been able to.

I still stand by my earlier post though.  There are hypocrites in every walk of life, so it would be unfair to point the finger at a specific group.


Hoochman : I've had the same experiences, even here on vizzed (MANY times, actually).  LOL But it happens everywhere you go on the net, so I'm used to it as well.  You just expressed it so much better than I have ever been able to.

I still stand by my earlier post though.  There are hypocrites in every walk of life, so it would be unfair to point the finger at a specific group.

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I'm having a very hard time getting along with atheists. :?
I'm having a very hard time getting along with atheists. :?
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I'm beginning to think that The Titanic was just a boat full of atheists who believed their boat could not float. If God does not exist then why do atheists have a cult and label themselves like one? Unlike christians... atheists actually believe in NOTHING... literally nothing. If you believe in nothing then you are exactly that and should leave others alone for they actually have evidence and proof whether you consider it to be or not its still better then nothing.

I believe in aliens and et's and go as far as saying Jesus was one but Atheists would say they are not real using stephen hawking like science to disprove it. At the end of the day Atheism is like looking into a empty dorito bag and complaining about how things don't exist.
I'm beginning to think that The Titanic was just a boat full of atheists who believed their boat could not float. If God does not exist then why do atheists have a cult and label themselves like one? Unlike christians... atheists actually believe in NOTHING... literally nothing. If you believe in nothing then you are exactly that and should leave others alone for they actually have evidence and proof whether you consider it to be or not its still better then nothing.

I believe in aliens and et's and go as far as saying Jesus was one but Atheists would say they are not real using stephen hawking like science to disprove it. At the end of the day Atheism is like looking into a empty dorito bag and complaining about how things don't exist.
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JigSaw :

The only thing that makes someone an atheist is the lack of belief in a god. It's not a cult, it's not the belief that there is no god (not necessarily, at least), and it doesn't mean that someone is into science. Please tone down the rhetoric and uninformed spiteful comments, or stay out of this thread.
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The only thing that makes someone an atheist is the lack of belief in a god. It's not a cult, it's not the belief that there is no god (not necessarily, at least), and it doesn't mean that someone is into science. Please tone down the rhetoric and uninformed spiteful comments, or stay out of this thread.
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soxfan849 : So in other words you believe in nothing... yet at the same time try to pretend that it is something? Then you claim its not a cult yet is branded like one and has a mass following? And THEN you threaten me with suppression at the end much like how when atheists get suppressed in christian debates... my god (pun intended) the hypocrisy.
soxfan849 : So in other words you believe in nothing... yet at the same time try to pretend that it is something? Then you claim its not a cult yet is branded like one and has a mass following? And THEN you threaten me with suppression at the end much like how when atheists get suppressed in christian debates... my god (pun intended) the hypocrisy.
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I am Atheist, but I'm not like that.  I find that kind of stereotypical and harsh to say.  I'm always nice and I treat people how I want to be treated.  Atheist's aren't a cult, a religion, or anything.  It just basically means they don't believe in any religion.  Yes, most Atheists are judged because of their lack of religion.  But in my opinion, I don't want a religion.  I don't like it when people try to convert me, because I've made my decision.
I am Atheist, but I'm not like that.  I find that kind of stereotypical and harsh to say.  I'm always nice and I treat people how I want to be treated.  Atheist's aren't a cult, a religion, or anything.  It just basically means they don't believe in any religion.  Yes, most Atheists are judged because of their lack of religion.  But in my opinion, I don't want a religion.  I don't like it when people try to convert me, because I've made my decision.
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JigSaw :

Referring to atheism as a cult, saying that atheists themselves are nothing, and comparing an atheist to someone complaining about an empty bag of Doritos are not logical and reasonable arguments. If you can't manage to give your opinion without trying to insult people, then don't post in this forum.

And I'm not threatening to suppress you. I'm trying to keep you from starting a fight in an already controversial thread. Don't play the victim card because I'm asking you to stop breaking the rules.

Now that's the end of that. Do not insult people, and do not reply to me about this. You're more than welcome to give your opinions if you're able to do it in a mature fashion.
JigSaw :

Referring to atheism as a cult, saying that atheists themselves are nothing, and comparing an atheist to someone complaining about an empty bag of Doritos are not logical and reasonable arguments. If you can't manage to give your opinion without trying to insult people, then don't post in this forum.

And I'm not threatening to suppress you. I'm trying to keep you from starting a fight in an already controversial thread. Don't play the victim card because I'm asking you to stop breaking the rules.

Now that's the end of that. Do not insult people, and do not reply to me about this. You're more than welcome to give your opinions if you're able to do it in a mature fashion.
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Hoochman :
Stating that muslims are bad people and its an evil religion isnt being a bigot?
Its fine to have opinions, but to state categoricaly people are worth less than you, its just rude. No matter what your angle.
If i stated that being christian made you a bad person, you'd cry foul. Yet that was your attitude to muslims. You see no similarity there?
Its fine and well to debate peoples beliefs, stating they are bad people for having a different opinion, I would hope that most people see that is wrong, especialy if they think they have the moral high ground, practice what you preach as they say.
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Atheists dont have a cult, atheism is a description, not a group.
It has no rules, code, membership, hierarchy, nothing, its just like the word faith, in that that isnt a group either.
Atheists have beliefs for the questions that drive man, and science is used to prove them. That is evidence.
And the analogy, horrific. Im sorry but you never thought that through.
Hoochman :
Stating that muslims are bad people and its an evil religion isnt being a bigot?
Its fine to have opinions, but to state categoricaly people are worth less than you, its just rude. No matter what your angle.
If i stated that being christian made you a bad person, you'd cry foul. Yet that was your attitude to muslims. You see no similarity there?
Its fine and well to debate peoples beliefs, stating they are bad people for having a different opinion, I would hope that most people see that is wrong, especialy if they think they have the moral high ground, practice what you preach as they say.
JigSaw :
Atheists dont have a cult, atheism is a description, not a group.
It has no rules, code, membership, hierarchy, nothing, its just like the word faith, in that that isnt a group either.
Atheists have beliefs for the questions that drive man, and science is used to prove them. That is evidence.
And the analogy, horrific. Im sorry but you never thought that through.
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JigSaw :   You seem to be confused (most people usually are I would say) about what atheism means. It is not a cult and does not imply that the atheist believes in NOTHING. Atheism is the disbelief in a claim of god but it doesn't necessarily mean that an atheist rejects every claim of a god or completely rules out the possibility of some sort of supernatural being.

As an example, lets say I tell you about my belief in a god. His name is Jim , he rules the universe and lives under a rock in my backyard. Now assuming you don't believe my claim this would make you an atheist in regards to my god. Does your lack of belief in Jim make you part of some anti-Jim cult? Does it mean you believe in nothing or make you nothing?

In my particular case (and I assume many other atheists too), I haven't heard a God claim that fits with my understanding of the world and universe. I don't rule out the possibility of a supernatural entity but I have rejected all of the claims I have heard. Now there are people who think that no God could possibly exist but that is quite a bit different than rejecting any given claim that a certain God does exist. This is a common misconception about atheism, even among atheists themselves. Hopefully I worded this in a way that is clear and makes sense lol.

Feel free to describe or expand upon your statement that atheism is a cult about nothing, I would like to hear what you have to say.




This part isn't necessarily for you Jigsaw, I just want to try and get this post somewhat back on topic.

If an atheist were to say  "Don't tell me about your religion or beliefs" and then preceded to tell you about their own beliefs that would obviously make them a hypocrite but an atheist telling you about their beliefs doesn't mean that they don't want to hear yours. I personally never shy away from discussions of this nature but I also believe that people should be more open and willing to discussing their beliefs.

There are two major topics that are often considered taboo to talk about , religion and politics. I find it odd or even counter-productive (as a society) to consider these topics as a sort of taboo. They play such large role globally in everyone's life so I feel it should be encouraged to talk about these things.
JigSaw :   You seem to be confused (most people usually are I would say) about what atheism means. It is not a cult and does not imply that the atheist believes in NOTHING. Atheism is the disbelief in a claim of god but it doesn't necessarily mean that an atheist rejects every claim of a god or completely rules out the possibility of some sort of supernatural being.

As an example, lets say I tell you about my belief in a god. His name is Jim , he rules the universe and lives under a rock in my backyard. Now assuming you don't believe my claim this would make you an atheist in regards to my god. Does your lack of belief in Jim make you part of some anti-Jim cult? Does it mean you believe in nothing or make you nothing?

In my particular case (and I assume many other atheists too), I haven't heard a God claim that fits with my understanding of the world and universe. I don't rule out the possibility of a supernatural entity but I have rejected all of the claims I have heard. Now there are people who think that no God could possibly exist but that is quite a bit different than rejecting any given claim that a certain God does exist. This is a common misconception about atheism, even among atheists themselves. Hopefully I worded this in a way that is clear and makes sense lol.

Feel free to describe or expand upon your statement that atheism is a cult about nothing, I would like to hear what you have to say.




This part isn't necessarily for you Jigsaw, I just want to try and get this post somewhat back on topic.

If an atheist were to say  "Don't tell me about your religion or beliefs" and then preceded to tell you about their own beliefs that would obviously make them a hypocrite but an atheist telling you about their beliefs doesn't mean that they don't want to hear yours. I personally never shy away from discussions of this nature but I also believe that people should be more open and willing to discussing their beliefs.

There are two major topics that are often considered taboo to talk about , religion and politics. I find it odd or even counter-productive (as a society) to consider these topics as a sort of taboo. They play such large role globally in everyone's life so I feel it should be encouraged to talk about these things.
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Atheists are human and as humans we are all imperfect, regardless of beliefs. Some are quiet and keep their beliefs to themselves and others are more vocal. I don't see most Atheists as hypocrites because unlike Christians or the other followers of a large organized religion, Atheists have been treated as second-class citizens (if even that). They are still a minority and don't have anywhere near the representation or influence of religious folks. These are people that have been oppressed for a long time. Christianity has not been oppressed since the early days of the Roman Empire. I'd say Atheists have a right to be hostile.

Do they hate Christianity or all religions or certain religions or what? I don't know. You should ask a couple. They're not all the same. There is a word for people that hate religion and its influence on people and that term is antitheist. The more you know~
Atheists are human and as humans we are all imperfect, regardless of beliefs. Some are quiet and keep their beliefs to themselves and others are more vocal. I don't see most Atheists as hypocrites because unlike Christians or the other followers of a large organized religion, Atheists have been treated as second-class citizens (if even that). They are still a minority and don't have anywhere near the representation or influence of religious folks. These are people that have been oppressed for a long time. Christianity has not been oppressed since the early days of the Roman Empire. I'd say Atheists have a right to be hostile.

Do they hate Christianity or all religions or certain religions or what? I don't know. You should ask a couple. They're not all the same. There is a word for people that hate religion and its influence on people and that term is antitheist. The more you know~
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*No one* has a right to be hostile. Ever.

JigSaw is getting atheism mixed up with nihilism. I believe that when he referred to an atheistic cult he may have been (to give him the benefit of the doubt) talking about Objectivism. Personally I like to avoid the word "cult" myself. It's purely derogatory. Nonetheless, there is such a thing as "pathological skepticism" and we've all seen it, and it does create the kind of insular, "us verses the world" mentality commonly associated with "cults". http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_16_1_leiter.pdf

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*No one* has a right to be hostile. Ever.

JigSaw is getting atheism mixed up with nihilism. I believe that when he referred to an atheistic cult he may have been (to give him the benefit of the doubt) talking about Objectivism. Personally I like to avoid the word "cult" myself. It's purely derogatory. Nonetheless, there is such a thing as "pathological skepticism" and we've all seen it, and it does create the kind of insular, "us verses the world" mentality commonly associated with "cults". http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_16_1_leiter.pdf

Now excuse me while I go back to lurking. You never know where or when I’ll pop up next….
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Based on my knowing several Atheists...

They have the same feelings about all religions. The reason you see them getting vocal against Christians is because you've only seen Christians get vocal around them. And, just like in all religions, there are loudmouths that make the entire group look bad... Atheists are no exception.

Based on my knowing several Atheists...

They have the same feelings about all religions. The reason you see them getting vocal against Christians is because you've only seen Christians get vocal around them. And, just like in all religions, there are loudmouths that make the entire group look bad... Atheists are no exception.

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