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05-30-13 04:12 PM
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Most people nowadays are Christians, I'm one. I don't personally show any hatred or anguish towards athiests, it's their own choice and I will not pass judgement on that. Although I do not agree with it 100%, I still believe they have their own choices and opinions.




















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Most people nowadays are Christians, I'm one. I don't personally show any hatred or anguish towards athiests, it's their own choice and I will not pass judgement on that. Although I do not agree with it 100%, I still believe they have their own choices and opinions.




















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Dean2k13 : Ummm, this post you posted isn't suppose to be in this topic, this post you made mostly belong in the Newbie Forum.


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Dont summon the globals, the locals handle this stuff
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Dont summon the globals, the locals handle this stuff
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thenumberone : I was going to take the Globals off the list, but just forgot all about it, thanks for reminding me.
thenumberone : I was going to take the Globals off the list, but just forgot all about it, thanks for reminding me.
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Another thing I get constantly, is that religious people will often tell me that I may be confused or haven't 'woken up' to realize god yet. It's as if they can't accept or wrap their heads around the fact that there are good, honest people whom live happy lives without any need for god. I hold high moral standards, and I try to live my life to help other people; I don't do it for god or because I want recognition, I do it because that is what my heart leads me to do, and what truly makes me happy. It seems as though most religious people try to work that into their own interpretations, by saying that even though I deny god, the presence is still there in my life, and that is what drives me to be good. It's as if they just can't accept the fact that it is possible for righteousness to exist without an entity behind it.

Christians often tell me that I have free-will, and the choice to follow god is left entirely up to me. But if that is true, then what happens if I choose not to follow god, but I am also not evil? If I choose not to follow evil, but I reject god, then according to The Bible, that is an automatic sentence to suffer eternally. I don't choose to suffer eternally, I exercise my right not to make either choice; how do I have free will, if god then makes a choice for me? If god were the type of being to reject me simply because I choose not to follow a path out of not having enough reasoning, I don't think I would want to follow that god, anyway. Dictators demand that people follow them, and if they don't they are punished. Most parents love their children, and accept them whether their children love them or not. According to most major religions, god does not always love and strive with you, which not only provides further proof that I can be righteous without the presence of god, but it would also seem to prove that even the love of a simple human parent could surpass that of an all-powerful god- especially if they can forgive and not damn their children, even when those children choose never to accept them.

The simple solution to why we are loathed, lies within simple human nature. It is the same scenario of a poor kid being bullied by rich kids on a playground. People often fear that which they do not understand, and instead of trying to understand it, they reject it. Really, you can't blame them; it can often be chalked up to instinct in most species of animals with any form of intelligence. That just comes to show how much we really are no different than any other capable species on the planet.
Another thing I get constantly, is that religious people will often tell me that I may be confused or haven't 'woken up' to realize god yet. It's as if they can't accept or wrap their heads around the fact that there are good, honest people whom live happy lives without any need for god. I hold high moral standards, and I try to live my life to help other people; I don't do it for god or because I want recognition, I do it because that is what my heart leads me to do, and what truly makes me happy. It seems as though most religious people try to work that into their own interpretations, by saying that even though I deny god, the presence is still there in my life, and that is what drives me to be good. It's as if they just can't accept the fact that it is possible for righteousness to exist without an entity behind it.

Christians often tell me that I have free-will, and the choice to follow god is left entirely up to me. But if that is true, then what happens if I choose not to follow god, but I am also not evil? If I choose not to follow evil, but I reject god, then according to The Bible, that is an automatic sentence to suffer eternally. I don't choose to suffer eternally, I exercise my right not to make either choice; how do I have free will, if god then makes a choice for me? If god were the type of being to reject me simply because I choose not to follow a path out of not having enough reasoning, I don't think I would want to follow that god, anyway. Dictators demand that people follow them, and if they don't they are punished. Most parents love their children, and accept them whether their children love them or not. According to most major religions, god does not always love and strive with you, which not only provides further proof that I can be righteous without the presence of god, but it would also seem to prove that even the love of a simple human parent could surpass that of an all-powerful god- especially if they can forgive and not damn their children, even when those children choose never to accept them.

The simple solution to why we are loathed, lies within simple human nature. It is the same scenario of a poor kid being bullied by rich kids on a playground. People often fear that which they do not understand, and instead of trying to understand it, they reject it. Really, you can't blame them; it can often be chalked up to instinct in most species of animals with any form of intelligence. That just comes to show how much we really are no different than any other capable species on the planet.
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Top post.
Undeniable. You have pretty much summarised it as well as can be done
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Undeniable. You have pretty much summarised it as well as can be done
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I don't believe that Atheist or Agnostics are considered the minority anymore. Many Americans don't belive in a god. There are a lot of spiritualists out there that belive that they don't belong to a religion but they do belive that there is some kind of high power out there. I don't really have alot to say about their beliefs I just merely wanted to point out that you guys are no longer the minority.
I don't believe that Atheist or Agnostics are considered the minority anymore. Many Americans don't belive in a god. There are a lot of spiritualists out there that belive that they don't belong to a religion but they do belive that there is some kind of high power out there. I don't really have alot to say about their beliefs I just merely wanted to point out that you guys are no longer the minority.
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I see your point but I still have another question, what happens after life is over? I see your points but I still see some flaws but I get what you are saying.
I see your point but I still have another question, what happens after life is over? I see your points but I still see some flaws but I get what you are saying.
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This isnt a debate on the accuracy of atheism...
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This isnt a debate on the accuracy of atheism...
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This is something I've known for a while. I've been verbally attacked for being an atheist. The fact that I don't believe in God is reason enough for many people to hate me.
This is something I've known for a while. I've been verbally attacked for being an atheist. The fact that I don't believe in God is reason enough for many people to hate me.
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That doesn't surprise me, but it does annoy me. 

I don't see what the big deal with hating us is. Why is it so different than believing in god?

GuardianZack : I get that one too, but I get swear words and "Well enjoy hell"s a lot more.

You don't have to be evil to not believe in god. We don't need to think that someone is out there helping us and making things perfect. My father was a religious man, but he always used to show me a photo of two men in a small boat who were in front of a giant wave. The caption was "You can pray if you want, but start rowing". I don't care what you believe, but you should try to live your own life, and don't focus on what god wants you to do.
That doesn't surprise me, but it does annoy me. 

I don't see what the big deal with hating us is. Why is it so different than believing in god?

GuardianZack : I get that one too, but I get swear words and "Well enjoy hell"s a lot more.

You don't have to be evil to not believe in god. We don't need to think that someone is out there helping us and making things perfect. My father was a religious man, but he always used to show me a photo of two men in a small boat who were in front of a giant wave. The caption was "You can pray if you want, but start rowing". I don't care what you believe, but you should try to live your own life, and don't focus on what god wants you to do.
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ender44 : I see your point, but I agree and disagree. The only part I disagree with, is that people shouldn't live their lives according to what god wants. If there did happen to be such a god, and they created us for the sole purpose of serving them or end up suffering, most would need to follow god to end up in the right place. Although I respect the fact that one should appreciate being given life, and a creator should even have a right to do what they want with a creation, you have to question the intent of the situation. I believe that people should try to do right by their creator, even if our purpose is for all the wrong reasons. A good parent teaches their children the ways of the world, does the best that they can for them, and sends them out into the world to make their own choices in life. This 'heavenly parent' supposedly punishes their children for seeking knowledge, abandons many, and sends them out into the world to serve them. Please note, I'm not trying to offend any Christians here, as what I say is clearly displayed in The Bible:

"When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it." (Genesis 3:6) - Wisdom, good or evil, should make no difference. Not only that, but we were given the urge to learn and grow by this creator. Why should an entire race be subject to punishment, simply because one seeks to not be oblivious?

“I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have you loved us?” “Is not Esau Jacob's brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert.” (Malachi 1:2-3) - Why would a just god abandon and 'hate' anyone, even when they have done wrong? If god is all that is good, where does 'hate' play into that?

"If you repent, I will restore you that you may serve me; if you utter worthy, not worthless, words, you will be my spokesman. Let this people turn to you, but you must not turn to them." (Jeremiah 15:19) - So, if I choose not to serve a god that demands it of me, my words and feelings are automatically worthless and invalid?

Now, I understand that there are other passages which would show the exact opposite of god, but that also makes little sense to me. Why would The Bible need to have so many contradictions? Anyway, you get my point.

ender44 : I see your point, but I agree and disagree. The only part I disagree with, is that people shouldn't live their lives according to what god wants. If there did happen to be such a god, and they created us for the sole purpose of serving them or end up suffering, most would need to follow god to end up in the right place. Although I respect the fact that one should appreciate being given life, and a creator should even have a right to do what they want with a creation, you have to question the intent of the situation. I believe that people should try to do right by their creator, even if our purpose is for all the wrong reasons. A good parent teaches their children the ways of the world, does the best that they can for them, and sends them out into the world to make their own choices in life. This 'heavenly parent' supposedly punishes their children for seeking knowledge, abandons many, and sends them out into the world to serve them. Please note, I'm not trying to offend any Christians here, as what I say is clearly displayed in The Bible:

"When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it." (Genesis 3:6) - Wisdom, good or evil, should make no difference. Not only that, but we were given the urge to learn and grow by this creator. Why should an entire race be subject to punishment, simply because one seeks to not be oblivious?

“I have loved you,” says the Lord. But you say, “How have you loved us?” “Is not Esau Jacob's brother?” declares the Lord. “Yet I have loved Jacob but Esau I have hated. I have laid waste his hill country and left his heritage to jackals of the desert.” (Malachi 1:2-3) - Why would a just god abandon and 'hate' anyone, even when they have done wrong? If god is all that is good, where does 'hate' play into that?

"If you repent, I will restore you that you may serve me; if you utter worthy, not worthless, words, you will be my spokesman. Let this people turn to you, but you must not turn to them." (Jeremiah 15:19) - So, if I choose not to serve a god that demands it of me, my words and feelings are automatically worthless and invalid?

Now, I understand that there are other passages which would show the exact opposite of god, but that also makes little sense to me. Why would The Bible need to have so many contradictions? Anyway, you get my point.
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GuardianZack : You could always go to the Christian Conservative forum and ask about these questions, post on me and Singelli's ask anything thread. (Shameless plug ) There are answers for that.
GuardianZack : You could always go to the Christian Conservative forum and ask about these questions, post on me and Singelli's ask anything thread. (Shameless plug ) There are answers for that.
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I do not dis-like Atheists, I just disagree with their view.
As for Christianity not being the most populous American Religion, I must say that you are right. It may have been for a few hundred or so years, but most of the World is not Christian.
Just for Clarity:
Separation of Church and State Means that the Church leaves political talking outside the door, it has no place behind the pulpit etc.
On the Government's side it means they should not tell anyone, you can't pray (Or less drastic) you can't do  whatever. It means the same thing for Muslims, Christians, and many others. It becomes the Governments responsibility when people start attacking public places, in the name of their religion. Example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Towers_Attacks
Once some thing like an attack happens they must do something against it...


I do not dis-like Atheists, I just disagree with their view.
As for Christianity not being the most populous American Religion, I must say that you are right. It may have been for a few hundred or so years, but most of the World is not Christian.
Just for Clarity:
Separation of Church and State Means that the Church leaves political talking outside the door, it has no place behind the pulpit etc.
On the Government's side it means they should not tell anyone, you can't pray (Or less drastic) you can't do  whatever. It means the same thing for Muslims, Christians, and many others. It becomes the Governments responsibility when people start attacking public places, in the name of their religion. Example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_Towers_Attacks
Once some thing like an attack happens they must do something against it...

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