The picture below, in my opinion, provides lots of valid, arguable points. However, I believe the very last line is nothing short of incorrect.



Okay, I don't think this world is beautiful at all yet. I think it needs extreme change before I can stand to call it that. In my belief, that change is coming soon, but that's another conversation.

Anyhow, yes, that picture I posted has very possible good points, but I still think there is some wrong in it. I think someone can end their existence in this realm no matter how selfish it may seem, and still be rightfully considered am innocent, loving, appreciable person. Why? Well, if no one and nothing in this world can make them happy, they can still decide to move to another place and keep checking back for their loved ones to arrive where they go so they may meet again in the next plane. That, to me, says "I'm sorry for having made you miss me, but I simply couldn't handle it anymore for the amount of strength I'd built through trail so far at that point in my life, and I'll make up for it when we meet again wherever we go when we leave this dimension". That, to me is a perfectly reasonable way to handle one's own path, and it shouldn't be judged harshly by anyone.

I repeat, the one point in this quoting that is absolutely, at least to me, is the very last line. Argue any point, and I'll never budge from that feeling until great, positive change comes to this world.

I think whoever made this picture was thoughtless,clearly they feel that there line of thought is obvious and people just over react but only people who suffer chronic depression know how bad it really is. These people would love to be happy but its not that simple,theres no switch to flick.
There are people that are mistreated every day by society,people that lose everyone that they love,people that are ostricised by society for there sexuality,for there race,for there beliefs,the idea that they just irationay kill themself is bogus,the only reason we want to live is our brain tells us we do,if someones brain is in reverse its as hard for them to contiue as it would be for us to end our lifes.and some people have medical depresion,it can be biological, people can have none of the things we value.
To conclude,i feel that picture is farely worthless

thenumberone :

You're on the same page as I. There are people with reasons that can be caused by others even if it isn't something medical they can't help. Why would someone want to continue living in a world there is no place for them to be happy? Why not move on to one where there may be a better way?

Flibbith :

I've been on the verge once before. I know how it feels. Fortunately now, I don't feel the way I did then. I fixed the problem. It's nothing to be taken lightly, obviously. Nothing that can't be handled without aid should. I managed to get through. But, that's not to say I didn't have help. It's real. I suppose it's another thing some people just deny.

warmaker :

Warmaker, huh. Appropriate nickname for you, I'd say. But, I don't care for battled with the ignorant. Perhaps it won't be long before you're revealed to the truth of things. The change I need to want to live in this world for even 10 more years would include things like attaining supernatural abilities, finding places where no one has ever been that do /not/ include the bottom of the sea or space, and ending all stupidity like racism, gender prejudiced, and the unhelpable suffering of children- and that's just the surface of it. These things would literally have to be done for completely- and soon, for me to find this place habitable. And, that's just the beginning. So, think before you assume I could "do anything to make what I want happen". I highly doubt these words will teach you anything. I write them for others to see.

I had a sister with emotional problems her entire life who eventually committed suicide. (I'm not looking for sympathy. I think it just helps to understand.) She was #3 out of 6 kids. Same father but different mother from myself. Her mother was bi-polar to begin with (a trait that can be inherited) and very abusive to the girls but spoiled her only son rotten. Each kid grew up with completely different metal states: carefree and hyper, demanding perfectionist, mentally and emotionally disturbed, spoiled and detached from love.  This is proof that different people can react differently to the same negatives.

For this reason alone, I consider it absurd the number of people who think there is a single answer to this issue.

And for that reason, I have always disagreed with the concept described in the image above. Almost no one who commits suicide does it on a pointless whim: "Well, I'm bored. Maybe I'll kill myself; that might be fun." It takes an emotional state that I believe most people understand but don't associate with suicide because it's such an extreme.

I'll give you a set of alternate examples: why do people heavily drink, start to do excessive hard drugs, or join criminal gangs? They often do them even though they have family members who beg and/or pray for them to stop because the family loves them so much and sees the harm being done to them. So why? Is it because they are being selfish? I'd say no more selfish than someone who doesn't take the time to give a homeless beggar a dollar even though the homeless person needs it more (because they think it will be used for something other than food). We are all selfish by nature; we all look out for number one first. The above list describes people who often just need to fit in somewhere or an aid in stopping the emotional pains they are feeling. A blind man can't see the things that you and I can; telling them that they are supposed to see it because you can doesn't change anything.

When it comes to suicide (again, being the extreme example), I believe it to be more selfish for the surviving members to think that the person who killed himself/herself should have thought more about what the surviving members wanted because it shows that those people don't understand just how horrible depression can be. (Imagine a 100 pound weight sitting on your foot at all times. You can drag through the day, but the pain never stops.) Instead, the survivors should try to do everything that they can to help, and if the person dies, mourn them and be upset that they were not able to do enough to change the person's mind. Many thoughts of suicide are stopped just by being able to open the person's eyes (even though it can take a lot of work) and show that there are people out there who truly love them. Show them that they aren't alone.

warmaker : thats a pretty cold outlook, there are soldiers who have seen terrible things and killed themselves,so despite fighting in wars,they are cowards?i think you overlook many points and assume that because you feel like life is worth something its easy for others to do so too,not everyone has a good life.

CobraGuy :

Right, right, right. Nothing but right here. Only, I don't think we're all selfish. I just think anyone is capable of becoming so. For instance, I know I'll give up my needs for a child any day. Then, why don't I do that for kids in foreign countries who live pointless existences? I need a steady income first, which I'm still working on getting through getting in school. Once I have that, I can increase my income, therefore increase my ability to help others. I would take a bullet for any child because I believe I can take the pain better. From your understand, I believe you would do the same, CobraGuy, which means, to me, you aren't selfish either. :9 Great examples here. Even the poor spoiled child could fall into awful feelings that could spiral into depression just from being bored of getting everything and not knowing any real pain or struggle, so he'd create his own even if it was beyond his control.

thenumberone : I'm sure I sound cold.  That's the point.  I'm trying to get some emotion out there.  But life is hard.  It's meant for people who are strong, who are willing to go through a tremendous amount to make something worth everything their parents went through to raise them.  Anyone who is posting on the internet on a video game website doesn't have a hard life.  Try being a refugee in Somalia.  Try living in anywhere except a developed country with power, running water, bicameral government, and safety.

If you want real suffering, do what I did.  Join the Marine Corps, see the world, and see how bad things are outside of the U.S., Canada, England, western Europe, and so on.

I haven't always had a good life but I appreciated everything everyone did to make things good for me.  I didn't just end it because I gave up.

Suicide is for quitters.  Quitters are weak.  I had a friend who committed suicide and I call him a coward.

End of story.

I believe suicide is selfish. To escape your own problems, you cause more for others. It always get's better.

I under stand suicide to be witch some one wants to end there suffering and unhappiness but if they go out and do something or try and look on the bright side and make them selves to make things better then someone can not  have those thoughts anymore. 

I think Suicide is a cowards way out of his/her problems.

warmaker : if you call him a coward,i dont see how he could be your friend...
You seem fairely detached from the real suffering people go through.
Im aware that there are far worse off people than westerners, that does not mean everyone in the west has a good life, and as iv said before,mentality. No one has the same and it does influence people massively.
As for joining marines,im british,that wouldnt be an option,and i dont think that any current enrollment would make the world better, its richmens wars,and the poor are the ones that suffer for it :/
tj4bigred : and if it always got better,hundreds of kids wouldnt be dying from abuse, thousands wouldnt be dying from starvation and war,every single day.from your outlook,with a bed a computer,food and so much it appears that justice and hardwork would pay off.you take for granted that youre a minority in the world,in that lifestyle.
In other countries,kids half your age are taken from there parents and forced into the army,and in those countrys both sides go through villages cutting peoples limbs off so they cant fight.
What about in africa,where being gay is punished by 10 years in jail,or death?where is the silverlining there?once its known your gay,your life is over,period.
Lets wait though,it may get better...after 100 years of terminal freefall.

thenumberone : Just because there are people in this world that have to go through things like that, it doesn't necessarily mean that every single person in the world's life is like that. Some people are just selfish cowards who only want to escape there own pain, at the stake of causing more pain in the people that love them.

thenumberone : He was my friend until he chose that instead of getting help.  He decided to end his own suffering at the pain of others.  This happened years ago and it still hurts me.

It's like a friend who had sex with your girlfriend.  He's not a friend anymore, is he?

I am not detached from people's suffering.  I volunteer with underpriviledged kids to show them drugs, sex, and and murder aren't the only way of life.  I help teach children how to read on some weekends.  I do a tremendous amount to give people every advantage they can have to find happiness.

Because I work with people who are trying to better their lives, it makes it clear there are always things you can do to improve your existence.  That's why I look so negatively on suicide.  I see strong people work hard, suffer, fail, and keep going to do what they can to better their lives.  And then I see people who say, "I'm out, I quit, I'm weak, I can't do it," and kill themselves.

Of course I'm against suicide.  Life is precious.

pi0x : im not saying everyone is like that,at the end of the day its there life,id prefer they didnt do it and think if they got help they might have a different outlook, but equaly i dont think many people have a right,or the ability to judge them.
warmaker : i dont think life is precious,i think the life of any animal is the same,i work on empathy, i can make judgements based on how id feel in a persons position,while i dont see any potential scenario where id want to off myself i dont imagine i can understand everyones mentality, to be honest society,or at least a part of it,are the cause of 90% of suicides,if people were less judgemental things would be a lot better.
Personaly if i was completely paralysed,no moving,talking etc id rather be shot,course if that was the case i wouldnt be able to kill myself...
Granted most people that do it arent that bad,but some people do just suffer from deppresion,they can have a perfect day,laugh and smile,then for no reason plumet into deppresion.
Maybe yeh,thats only about 20% of them but i dont know enough about them to make a call on right or wrong.

mike345 :



I still stand by my beliefs. To me, this world is stupid and that opinion won't change until I've seen it change. The change I want is so great, there's literally a 99.99% chance I would not be able to do it on my own, so no one can tell me to "Be the change I want to see". And, I'll never try "doing the little things that gradually help the change come". If I managed to exist here that long, believe I'll see my loved ones again when we meet in the next plane, and I believe I will be able to make it up to them then, I don't see how it could be wrong. If they truly love me and understand what I'm going through., they'll stand by my decision no matter how much they'll miss me. If they don't understand, then I can't blame them for trying to stop me. I'm not saying I'm headed down that road. I believe change for this world is coming very soon. I'm just waiting for it. I think people who say it's cowardly, selfish, or 'immoral' in any way are just ignorant to actually being there, so I suppose I don't blame you who say such.. I just hope something will show you the truth in not too long. I may be back to discuss this more, but I'm losing point to as I'm afraid people are just going to be too stubborn/in denial/ skeptical to allow me to teach them anything. That's always how it is, almost.. :/ So, bye for now. I'll come back later, perhaps~

Realization is very important......to get the chance to be a human being AT FIRST ..the probability...is very less....so you should compare before attempting that.  Think as a person what kind of good things you can do, maybe you could help make people happy by helping them....fighting for a cause ..life is very huge....and its extremities are at infinity....so you would never end up to that state of Suicide if you consider these things ...Life is so big you can do many thing....What you need to grasp ..is that you do not always get everything ......you have to work hard and get it sometimes....other times you get it without working....Error can happen with anyone and we can endure big loss...but that does not mean we should quit life....life is for people who fight for it....life is meant to be live fully....maybe you could have a better life afterwards...so do not lose that sole and unique chance that life has bestowed you......   What I mean is that life is non linear.....TREASURE,LOVE, ADMIRE WHAT YOU HAVE..........if you find yourself culprit...repent for it by accepting and undergoing it's punishment......LIFE IS A VERY BIG OCEAN OF CHANCE IT SHOULD SURELY SATISFY YOU....IF YOU MAKE A SMALL EFFORT....

I understand Suicide pretty well, considering I myself was once suicidal.

The key can differ from person to person, but the important thing that always stays the same is making the person feel like they matter, and they are important to you. It may not sound great, but most people calm down once they realize how important they are, especially if they come to realize you would be sad if they were gone.

I've lost a couple friends to suicide.

There are a LOT of rotten people in the world. But that will never change. For as long as there is good, there is evil. As long as there is Yin, there is Yang. No matter the case, this doesn't change the fact the world IS beautiful. There's a lot you can't begin to even fathom until you've seen it with your own eyes. Consider the fact I was once suicidal, and thought the whole world was as rotten as some people. Once I got a reality check and a new perspective on life, things just became awesome for me.