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Abortions: Legal or illegal?

 

01-26-11 02:38 AM
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As a question of legality and not morality, a person isn't actually a person until they receive a birth certificate, and so it isn't legally murder to prevent a life. The fetus is unaware of it's own existence, so I see it the same as euthanasia on a comatose patient. If they're unaware of their own life, then they aren't aware of their death. If they're unaware of their death, they have no cause for complaint. This is purely from my legal standpoint, and has nothing to do with my morals on the issue.
As a question of legality and not morality, a person isn't actually a person until they receive a birth certificate, and so it isn't legally murder to prevent a life. The fetus is unaware of it's own existence, so I see it the same as euthanasia on a comatose patient. If they're unaware of their own life, then they aren't aware of their death. If they're unaware of their death, they have no cause for complaint. This is purely from my legal standpoint, and has nothing to do with my morals on the issue.
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An unborn fetus is not a human being, it has no grasp on the concept of life and death. When I say fetus i mean the little tightly packed group of cells that will one day develop into a baby. Abortion before the first three months is fine by me, anything after is a major no-no. The brain becomes aware after the first trimester .Plus Its not like the fetus can feel anything, it doesnt have any nerves. There are to many people on this planet anyways, we could stand to prevent a few more...
An unborn fetus is not a human being, it has no grasp on the concept of life and death. When I say fetus i mean the little tightly packed group of cells that will one day develop into a baby. Abortion before the first three months is fine by me, anything after is a major no-no. The brain becomes aware after the first trimester .Plus Its not like the fetus can feel anything, it doesnt have any nerves. There are to many people on this planet anyways, we could stand to prevent a few more...
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Akuhyou : I agree. If it's not even brain aware, not even conscious, should we make masturbation in males illegal, and menstruation in females illegal? If circumstances went right, those released sperm and eggs could have further developed into a person. Same with the fetal cell cluster. There's a lot of things that could could go wrong before the fetus develops and is birthed, and I suppose there's a lot of things that need to happen for the sperm and egg to meet up and form a fetus. I guess the biggest issue is always when is it a "person," but personally, I don't think you're a person until you're born, and legally, you aren't until you have a birth certificate. Well, at least in some countries.
Akuhyou : I agree. If it's not even brain aware, not even conscious, should we make masturbation in males illegal, and menstruation in females illegal? If circumstances went right, those released sperm and eggs could have further developed into a person. Same with the fetal cell cluster. There's a lot of things that could could go wrong before the fetus develops and is birthed, and I suppose there's a lot of things that need to happen for the sperm and egg to meet up and form a fetus. I guess the biggest issue is always when is it a "person," but personally, I don't think you're a person until you're born, and legally, you aren't until you have a birth certificate. Well, at least in some countries.
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Legal. disregarding population control, I think we could be using the aborted embryos/fetuses for genetic research.
Legal. disregarding population control, I think we could be using the aborted embryos/fetuses for genetic research.
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I think abortion should be illegal except in the case where the pregnancy will be fatal to the mother. Arguing that a fetus is not alive because it isn't born yet makes no sense to me. If it has a unique genetic code seperate from the mother or father, it is a human being. Saying that menstruation or masturbation is murder is incorrect, because those cells are still a genetic part of the male or female and not genetically defined organism. To say that a zygote is not alive because it is a group of cells without a concept of life or death, is akin to saying bacteria are not alive because they are single-celled organisms. They still meet all the criteria for being a living thing.
I think abortion should be illegal except in the case where the pregnancy will be fatal to the mother. Arguing that a fetus is not alive because it isn't born yet makes no sense to me. If it has a unique genetic code seperate from the mother or father, it is a human being. Saying that menstruation or masturbation is murder is incorrect, because those cells are still a genetic part of the male or female and not genetically defined organism. To say that a zygote is not alive because it is a group of cells without a concept of life or death, is akin to saying bacteria are not alive because they are single-celled organisms. They still meet all the criteria for being a living thing.
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Glyphomancer is spot on. People seem uncomfortable after a certain date aborting fetuses. Is there a difference enough from one day to the next to be able to decide to end the life? Once the unique genetic code is created, you have a stage of humanity. We go through many stages where cell replication happens at different speeds, like infancy, pre-adolescence, adolescence, adulthood, and old age.

The self-aware argument is fallacious too. A newborn is not self aware, so how do you feel about infanticide? Science is showing more and more the mistakes we have made allowing abortion, but the left wants to hide this info, and the right does a poor job of showing it, instead opting for the religious argument. Lets not take chances when it comes to human life, fair enough?
Glyphomancer is spot on. People seem uncomfortable after a certain date aborting fetuses. Is there a difference enough from one day to the next to be able to decide to end the life? Once the unique genetic code is created, you have a stage of humanity. We go through many stages where cell replication happens at different speeds, like infancy, pre-adolescence, adolescence, adulthood, and old age.

The self-aware argument is fallacious too. A newborn is not self aware, so how do you feel about infanticide? Science is showing more and more the mistakes we have made allowing abortion, but the left wants to hide this info, and the right does a poor job of showing it, instead opting for the religious argument. Lets not take chances when it comes to human life, fair enough?
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But if it is made illegal it is made a lot less controlled and regulated. When it's not regulated, people will be more inclined to do abortions in less safe ways. Keeping abortion legal is the only way to keep the mothers safe, and keep the abortions under control.

Abortions have to remain a legal option, being moral and being legal are two different things, being moral is up to the person, while being legal is what benefits society as a whole. Whereas Abortions may be considered immoral to a certain group, it is much to the advantage of society to make it a legal option in order to keep it regulated as I said before.
But if it is made illegal it is made a lot less controlled and regulated. When it's not regulated, people will be more inclined to do abortions in less safe ways. Keeping abortion legal is the only way to keep the mothers safe, and keep the abortions under control.

Abortions have to remain a legal option, being moral and being legal are two different things, being moral is up to the person, while being legal is what benefits society as a whole. Whereas Abortions may be considered immoral to a certain group, it is much to the advantage of society to make it a legal option in order to keep it regulated as I said before.
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sydneystrangerrr : I say illegal. I believe if you can sit there and "do it" then you should be responsible for the consequences.
sydneystrangerrr : I say illegal. I believe if you can sit there and "do it" then you should be responsible for the consequences.
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mr.pace : the problem with making abortions illegal is that people will still attempt to have abortions whether they are legal or not. While I do not agree with abortions I think that people have the right to do it if they want to and they should do it under sanitary conditions. Better that only 1 person dies than 2.

I am very opposed to the idea of teenagers having abortions without parental consent and/or at least informing them. If the kids are having sex and getting pregnant then the parents need to have this information. The parents shouldn't have the right to force the child either way (to abort, adopt or keep the baby) but they do need to be part of the conversation.
mr.pace : the problem with making abortions illegal is that people will still attempt to have abortions whether they are legal or not. While I do not agree with abortions I think that people have the right to do it if they want to and they should do it under sanitary conditions. Better that only 1 person dies than 2.

I am very opposed to the idea of teenagers having abortions without parental consent and/or at least informing them. If the kids are having sex and getting pregnant then the parents need to have this information. The parents shouldn't have the right to force the child either way (to abort, adopt or keep the baby) but they do need to be part of the conversation.
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geeogree : I agree with you on all aspects. Espeacially with teens. Further more, I believe parents should inform their children early so that they don't be tempted or know what to do in those situations.
geeogree : I agree with you on all aspects. Espeacially with teens. Further more, I believe parents should inform their children early so that they don't be tempted or know what to do in those situations.
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well, they should at least be informed so they can make smart decisions. I would rather give my daughters a condom so they don't get pregnant or come home with a disease. As tough as it would be to think about them having sex as teens I at least want them to be smart about it.
well, they should at least be informed so they can make smart decisions. I would rather give my daughters a condom so they don't get pregnant or come home with a disease. As tough as it would be to think about them having sex as teens I at least want them to be smart about it.
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Taking away a woman's right to her body is everything America should be against. Abortion is illegal in the Middle East, just like a divorce and the right for women to hold property.
I'm not saying abortion is a good thing, but taking away a woman's rights is even worse.
Taking away a woman's right to her body is everything America should be against. Abortion is illegal in the Middle East, just like a divorce and the right for women to hold property.
I'm not saying abortion is a good thing, but taking away a woman's rights is even worse.
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i think it should be illegal i mean if you dont want the kid killing it befor it stands a chance is wrong you can just put it up for adpotion cause im sure another person would want it like pepole who cant have a kid of there own
i think it should be illegal i mean if you dont want the kid killing it befor it stands a chance is wrong you can just put it up for adpotion cause im sure another person would want it like pepole who cant have a kid of there own
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A baby is not a person. A baby is a human larva.
Yes, abortion should be legal. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that abortion is the best thing. Protection must be used, but women need to have the right to choose. I'm not for abortion as much as I am the right to choose. One the government starts removing the very basic rights, it begins to step up to higher and higher amounts of control.
A baby is not a person. A baby is a human larva.
Yes, abortion should be legal. Don't get me wrong, I don't think that abortion is the best thing. Protection must be used, but women need to have the right to choose. I'm not for abortion as much as I am the right to choose. One the government starts removing the very basic rights, it begins to step up to higher and higher amounts of control.
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I'm completly against abortion.. it was the way I was brought up in church and to me its like your killing a presious human being.
I'm completly against abortion.. it was the way I was brought up in church and to me its like your killing a presious human being.
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Illegal but with exceptions. In Queensland, it is illegal and I hope they keep it that way. People from my class had to do a whole Legal assignment about it but I didn't choose that topic, it is way to touchy. As many people in the previous post said, it should be allowed for mothers who may be in danger if they carry out the birth or if they was raped. However, the abortion shouldn't be done after 3 weeks (My friend said that the baby has a heart by about 3 week) because that would be a life the doctor is taking by then. On another note, it is also very unfair how the woman gets pregnant and have to make all these difficult decisions while the man is just free to leave, WHICH in many cases they do. Then there is the stupid couples who don't use protection or the protection failed and they HAVE to get an abortion because they can't afford to raise another child. (Sheesh! There is better stuff to do other than have *** SUCH AS spending their whole day posting comments on Vizzed) All in all, people have to take responsibility with what they have done and if it come down to killing a life... so be it BUT we anti-abortion people will be judging their every move.
Illegal but with exceptions. In Queensland, it is illegal and I hope they keep it that way. People from my class had to do a whole Legal assignment about it but I didn't choose that topic, it is way to touchy. As many people in the previous post said, it should be allowed for mothers who may be in danger if they carry out the birth or if they was raped. However, the abortion shouldn't be done after 3 weeks (My friend said that the baby has a heart by about 3 week) because that would be a life the doctor is taking by then. On another note, it is also very unfair how the woman gets pregnant and have to make all these difficult decisions while the man is just free to leave, WHICH in many cases they do. Then there is the stupid couples who don't use protection or the protection failed and they HAVE to get an abortion because they can't afford to raise another child. (Sheesh! There is better stuff to do other than have *** SUCH AS spending their whole day posting comments on Vizzed) All in all, people have to take responsibility with what they have done and if it come down to killing a life... so be it BUT we anti-abortion people will be judging their every move.
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I do not feel comfortable answering this question, but I would have to go with neither yes or no because if you do not want a child, then get an abortion, but that would be like killing. If you cannot take care of a child, then get an abortion or send him or her to an adoption place. There are good reasons on the yes side and on the no side.
I do not feel comfortable answering this question, but I would have to go with neither yes or no because if you do not want a child, then get an abortion, but that would be like killing. If you cannot take care of a child, then get an abortion or send him or her to an adoption place. There are good reasons on the yes side and on the no side.
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i agree iwth what we have now, legal but only for valid reasons like not having the means to support it or if it has a disease which will cause it pain over the course of its life or if the baby was a result of a rape that the mother would find top stressful i admit in this instance the baby is at a pure loss what if the mother could support it but imagine telling your baby it was simply a result of rape and the baby being hated if it looked like rapist or overall causing the baby psychological damge when it grows older a baby should be treeated as a treausre not a task to be done because you feel you have to ESPECIALLY after rape
i agree iwth what we have now, legal but only for valid reasons like not having the means to support it or if it has a disease which will cause it pain over the course of its life or if the baby was a result of a rape that the mother would find top stressful i admit in this instance the baby is at a pure loss what if the mother could support it but imagine telling your baby it was simply a result of rape and the baby being hated if it looked like rapist or overall causing the baby psychological damge when it grows older a baby should be treeated as a treausre not a task to be done because you feel you have to ESPECIALLY after rape
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I can be legal for there own reasons, but I dont want it to be legal period, it does not sound like something that you can choose
I can be legal for there own reasons, but I dont want it to be legal period, it does not sound like something that you can choose
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