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Who are you voting for in the 2016 presidental election? Place your votes above then tell us why you're voting for them.
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Jill Stein
 
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Sword legion :

Being one of these crazy Europeans (as I'm sure you're aware ) perhaps I can somewhat help you understand why people would advocate changes like the ones you stated.

Why provide abortions to poverty striken women? Because they may not have the resources to get one themselves and otherwise could be forced to have a child they're not financially able to take care of or feel ready for. Which I'm sure you could understand how that would both be problematic for that woman and her potential future child. Now while we have discussed whether abortion should or shouldn't be legal I'm hoping you can at least somewhat understand the rationale behind that at this point.

Why cut military spending? Because the US already spends way more money on military than any other country, you spend around the same as the next top 8 countries combined. So cutting it still wouldn't make too much of a dent in your status as an "international powerhouse". That's not even considering the fact that Russia starting a 3rd world war isn't going to happen today. tomorrow or even in the near future. I haven't heard them saying they would and I'm pretty sure if they have made comments is more because they want to seem powerful rather than because they actually plan on doing anything.It's not like there's anything for them to gain from doing so either, considering it would screw up trade in the country and cause their entire economy to plummet. Even if they did Putin would very well realize that they're not able to handle the US alone, and that's without considering the fact that they'd have the entire NATO against them in addition to just the US in the event of a war. Considering we have these modern military alliances and the fact that we've moved to a point where almost all countries stand to lose way more than they would gain from a war, there is no need for military spending of that size.

Why advocate redistribution of wealth? Because the world is an unfair place, we all have different economic opportunities from the day were born so at the very least it would seem fair that we should all have access to basic services like education, healthcare, a strong social security system that redistribution of wealth provides. It's contributing to society based on ones economic ability to do so. Naturally if one has more money to spare they can contribute more. I wouldn't say it's inherently unfair,rich people will still be rich. I would also argue that it can be a good thing for rich people as well because decreasing the disparity means those who aren't rich will suddenly have more money to spend on other things. Which increases the flow of money in the country essentially allowing those who are rich to make more money. If the disparity is too great it would slow the flow of money in a country and that will ultimately affect everyone, not just those who are less wealthy. It would in theory also make for a more happy and functioning society which is just a good thing no matter how you look at it. Of course the money not being well spent would be a problem on its own but that has more to do with an ill functioning government rather than the system itself being flawed.
Sword legion :

Being one of these crazy Europeans (as I'm sure you're aware ) perhaps I can somewhat help you understand why people would advocate changes like the ones you stated.

Why provide abortions to poverty striken women? Because they may not have the resources to get one themselves and otherwise could be forced to have a child they're not financially able to take care of or feel ready for. Which I'm sure you could understand how that would both be problematic for that woman and her potential future child. Now while we have discussed whether abortion should or shouldn't be legal I'm hoping you can at least somewhat understand the rationale behind that at this point.

Why cut military spending? Because the US already spends way more money on military than any other country, you spend around the same as the next top 8 countries combined. So cutting it still wouldn't make too much of a dent in your status as an "international powerhouse". That's not even considering the fact that Russia starting a 3rd world war isn't going to happen today. tomorrow or even in the near future. I haven't heard them saying they would and I'm pretty sure if they have made comments is more because they want to seem powerful rather than because they actually plan on doing anything.It's not like there's anything for them to gain from doing so either, considering it would screw up trade in the country and cause their entire economy to plummet. Even if they did Putin would very well realize that they're not able to handle the US alone, and that's without considering the fact that they'd have the entire NATO against them in addition to just the US in the event of a war. Considering we have these modern military alliances and the fact that we've moved to a point where almost all countries stand to lose way more than they would gain from a war, there is no need for military spending of that size.

Why advocate redistribution of wealth? Because the world is an unfair place, we all have different economic opportunities from the day were born so at the very least it would seem fair that we should all have access to basic services like education, healthcare, a strong social security system that redistribution of wealth provides. It's contributing to society based on ones economic ability to do so. Naturally if one has more money to spare they can contribute more. I wouldn't say it's inherently unfair,rich people will still be rich. I would also argue that it can be a good thing for rich people as well because decreasing the disparity means those who aren't rich will suddenly have more money to spend on other things. Which increases the flow of money in the country essentially allowing those who are rich to make more money. If the disparity is too great it would slow the flow of money in a country and that will ultimately affect everyone, not just those who are less wealthy. It would in theory also make for a more happy and functioning society which is just a good thing no matter how you look at it. Of course the money not being well spent would be a problem on its own but that has more to do with an ill functioning government rather than the system itself being flawed.
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Originally posted by legacyme3
I think I'm honestly going to vote for Hillary Clinton, not because I like her, but out of fear that Trump will win, which is 100% the worst case scenario.

I do not care that she's a lying, sniveling, piece of s***. I just care that she's not Donald Trump.

I might vote for a third party, most likely Stein, just because it's important to give them support so they can be on the national ballot in the future, since my state is so blue, my vote doesn't mean s***.

But still, never know. Can't be too safe. If everyone who voted blue felt safe, a third party could win...

OK, that would never happen. Too many sheep.



legacyme3 : I also can't stand Trump either. He was a phony since day one. Why couldn't we get the 1999 Trump when he ran for President for the 2000 election where he basically had an all star lineup of people on the agenda for his white house plans such as Oprah Winfrey as his vice president (Shocker, I know)
Originally posted by legacyme3
I think I'm honestly going to vote for Hillary Clinton, not because I like her, but out of fear that Trump will win, which is 100% the worst case scenario.

I do not care that she's a lying, sniveling, piece of s***. I just care that she's not Donald Trump.

I might vote for a third party, most likely Stein, just because it's important to give them support so they can be on the national ballot in the future, since my state is so blue, my vote doesn't mean s***.

But still, never know. Can't be too safe. If everyone who voted blue felt safe, a third party could win...

OK, that would never happen. Too many sheep.



legacyme3 : I also can't stand Trump either. He was a phony since day one. Why couldn't we get the 1999 Trump when he ran for President for the 2000 election where he basically had an all star lineup of people on the agenda for his white house plans such as Oprah Winfrey as his vice president (Shocker, I know)
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The only reason I would pick Trump is because I would rather have someone with no political agenda over Clinton,who has friends and allies in high places,who cannot follow simple instructions,who cannot do a lesser job without getting a brain clot,who is responsible for atrocities here and abroad and is basically the embodiment of evil.

If Johnson actually had a snowball's chance in hell,I probably would vote for him. Traditionally,third candidates have little chance. The last one that actually had a good showing was Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party.
The only reason I would pick Trump is because I would rather have someone with no political agenda over Clinton,who has friends and allies in high places,who cannot follow simple instructions,who cannot do a lesser job without getting a brain clot,who is responsible for atrocities here and abroad and is basically the embodiment of evil.

If Johnson actually had a snowball's chance in hell,I probably would vote for him. Traditionally,third candidates have little chance. The last one that actually had a good showing was Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose Party.
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Zlinqx :

United Europe is estimated to be 1.5 times more powerful than the USA's atm. I don't know a whole lot about the numbers, but at least of my more politically minded friends from France has explained to me as much. This seems somewhat accurate to me. But what I would be worried about is how strong Russia may gotten in secret. As you may remember, after WW I, Germany was given many restrictions on the size of it's army, but it managed to hide several thousand troops in training before they could finally become more. . . open about their operations.

Putin's talking about World War III. I would listen to what he has to say about it before you remove it from the table.

My stance against redistribution of the wealth is not because of the power people with money have, or even that lower class citizens do not deserve it. You have two major forces controlling a country. Large businesses, and politicians. And both are terribly corrupt in the U.S. They work together to keep us "enslaved" in a sense, meanwhile large cooperation get to overlook certain taxes ect, while small local businesses have to do things more by the book, such as my own dad's business. I find countries where wealth is redistributed still play favorites and allow those at the top to maintain power and control.

At least in a free market you can earn your way up, and what you get is determined by your own decisions more than the government when you lean towards a communistic way of living.

I don't see capitalism or socialism ever being completely fair. But I prefer capitalism because at least merits are rewarded and ingenuity comes from more individual people as opposed to all good things coming from those who hail the mighty pyramid.

Women who get pregnant and want to have an abortion should have to kill themselves to go along with it. Then we remove two useless people from society. One that we can't care for, and the other who thinks that it's okay to get pregnant and make others pay for an expensive procedure just to "fix it"

Then there's rape, in which we should probably kill the man instead by the same standard since his actions required the death of an innocent child due to economic inadequacy.

That's how I'd think of it economically in a fair sense anyways. Would be a pity to make children go through death and not their parents when the parents caused everything.
Zlinqx :

United Europe is estimated to be 1.5 times more powerful than the USA's atm. I don't know a whole lot about the numbers, but at least of my more politically minded friends from France has explained to me as much. This seems somewhat accurate to me. But what I would be worried about is how strong Russia may gotten in secret. As you may remember, after WW I, Germany was given many restrictions on the size of it's army, but it managed to hide several thousand troops in training before they could finally become more. . . open about their operations.

Putin's talking about World War III. I would listen to what he has to say about it before you remove it from the table.

My stance against redistribution of the wealth is not because of the power people with money have, or even that lower class citizens do not deserve it. You have two major forces controlling a country. Large businesses, and politicians. And both are terribly corrupt in the U.S. They work together to keep us "enslaved" in a sense, meanwhile large cooperation get to overlook certain taxes ect, while small local businesses have to do things more by the book, such as my own dad's business. I find countries where wealth is redistributed still play favorites and allow those at the top to maintain power and control.

At least in a free market you can earn your way up, and what you get is determined by your own decisions more than the government when you lean towards a communistic way of living.

I don't see capitalism or socialism ever being completely fair. But I prefer capitalism because at least merits are rewarded and ingenuity comes from more individual people as opposed to all good things coming from those who hail the mighty pyramid.

Women who get pregnant and want to have an abortion should have to kill themselves to go along with it. Then we remove two useless people from society. One that we can't care for, and the other who thinks that it's okay to get pregnant and make others pay for an expensive procedure just to "fix it"

Then there's rape, in which we should probably kill the man instead by the same standard since his actions required the death of an innocent child due to economic inadequacy.

That's how I'd think of it economically in a fair sense anyways. Would be a pity to make children go through death and not their parents when the parents caused everything.
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Sword legion : I'll respond to what you stated but if you want to discuss this further I'd suggest PMing me about it since it's starting to go off topic from the thread.

Russia doesn't have the economy to be able to build a stronger army than the US. Regardless like I said a third world war is not going to happen. The interconnectedness of the world's countries prevents that from happening. In the past, even as recently as world war 2 countries were much more self reliant and this meant that war was still something that could be benefitial to different countries. This isn't the case today, What happens to other countries and their economies directly affects other countries. A war would therefore cause a sort of domino effect.

Today economical prowess means much more than a countries military might. With most major countries having nukes militaries essentially serve more as a deterrent for a war rather than being able to do much to prevent the effects of a nuclear attack. With countries already having nothing to gain from it however this makes it unnecessary. Even a country such as North Korea which tries to be completely independent, still wouldn't start a war because it would risk being completely destroyed by other countries.

The only other major country not somehow in cooperation with NATO that is powerful to be able to do anything besides Russia is China. Russia while purely physically having a large military wouldn't be able to fund a war because all the sanctions imposed on it makes it more or less impossible for it to sustain one. As for China it would never do something like that though because it would self destructive in more ways than one and likely put it in the same position as Russia.

You also need to consider just how much money goes towards military spending in the US. That's an extreme large amount of money down the drain each year to just maintain it, that could otherwise be invested in improving the country. 

I don't see how you would view as redistribution of wealth the more corrupt of the two. It's not communism. Socialism and capitalism can coexist, and does in many countries today. Like many European countries. It still falls under a free market system way of living, I should know living in a country that employs it. The state doesn't control the economy and it's still a competitive system. Those who make smart decisions are still going to be rich and in that way still be rewarded.The system is purely about guaranteeing necessities to survive and have a chance for a better life by being given access to education, it won't allow for a luxurious life. I would say if anything that makes it more fair because it provides a direct opportunity for people of less wealth to improve their life, through their own willpower. A system where there exists no social security and access to these services seems like it would be much more luck based, both based on what life you're born into as well as the opportunities you'd have later in life.

You probably know at this point that I don't consider abortion killing a child. A fetus in that stage is incapable of feeling pain, and cannot think or have the will to live when abortion is done. Thus it would not be aware of or suffer in any way from an abortion being done. In this stage it's less advanced cognitively than something like a cow yet most people have no qualms about killing the latter even for trivial reasons.

It's not about removing people who are "useless" as much as its looking at is what best for both parts. People who aren't ready to have a child financially or mentally won't need to have one and will have freedom over their own body. This in turn is better for children as they will be less likely to have to grow up in extreme poverty, with parents that don't love them, or having to grow up as an orphan. They are spared from that.
Sword legion : I'll respond to what you stated but if you want to discuss this further I'd suggest PMing me about it since it's starting to go off topic from the thread.

Russia doesn't have the economy to be able to build a stronger army than the US. Regardless like I said a third world war is not going to happen. The interconnectedness of the world's countries prevents that from happening. In the past, even as recently as world war 2 countries were much more self reliant and this meant that war was still something that could be benefitial to different countries. This isn't the case today, What happens to other countries and their economies directly affects other countries. A war would therefore cause a sort of domino effect.

Today economical prowess means much more than a countries military might. With most major countries having nukes militaries essentially serve more as a deterrent for a war rather than being able to do much to prevent the effects of a nuclear attack. With countries already having nothing to gain from it however this makes it unnecessary. Even a country such as North Korea which tries to be completely independent, still wouldn't start a war because it would risk being completely destroyed by other countries.

The only other major country not somehow in cooperation with NATO that is powerful to be able to do anything besides Russia is China. Russia while purely physically having a large military wouldn't be able to fund a war because all the sanctions imposed on it makes it more or less impossible for it to sustain one. As for China it would never do something like that though because it would self destructive in more ways than one and likely put it in the same position as Russia.

You also need to consider just how much money goes towards military spending in the US. That's an extreme large amount of money down the drain each year to just maintain it, that could otherwise be invested in improving the country. 

I don't see how you would view as redistribution of wealth the more corrupt of the two. It's not communism. Socialism and capitalism can coexist, and does in many countries today. Like many European countries. It still falls under a free market system way of living, I should know living in a country that employs it. The state doesn't control the economy and it's still a competitive system. Those who make smart decisions are still going to be rich and in that way still be rewarded.The system is purely about guaranteeing necessities to survive and have a chance for a better life by being given access to education, it won't allow for a luxurious life. I would say if anything that makes it more fair because it provides a direct opportunity for people of less wealth to improve their life, through their own willpower. A system where there exists no social security and access to these services seems like it would be much more luck based, both based on what life you're born into as well as the opportunities you'd have later in life.

You probably know at this point that I don't consider abortion killing a child. A fetus in that stage is incapable of feeling pain, and cannot think or have the will to live when abortion is done. Thus it would not be aware of or suffer in any way from an abortion being done. In this stage it's less advanced cognitively than something like a cow yet most people have no qualms about killing the latter even for trivial reasons.

It's not about removing people who are "useless" as much as its looking at is what best for both parts. People who aren't ready to have a child financially or mentally won't need to have one and will have freedom over their own body. This in turn is better for children as they will be less likely to have to grow up in extreme poverty, with parents that don't love them, or having to grow up as an orphan. They are spared from that.
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Zlingx: Or you could create a thread in this very forum if you'd like other people to weigh in on the topic. Just a suggestion. Anyways, Having millionaires with failed businesses is not unusual but it's not common. If you think of Donald Trump's businesses and their success you'll see that they're not doing well because 1. He uses important situations to promote his businesses and 2. They just barely pass inspections. His latest doing in Washington (D.C?) just barely passed inspection but there were many things wrong such as the bathrobes and sheets being questionable. If it were a situation of his businesses were in 1. a bad spot or 2. it was popular way back when but business has slowed and revenue isn't increasing (Kind of like the situation vizzed is in) then ok, that's a different situation than what is going on now!
Zlingx: Or you could create a thread in this very forum if you'd like other people to weigh in on the topic. Just a suggestion. Anyways, Having millionaires with failed businesses is not unusual but it's not common. If you think of Donald Trump's businesses and their success you'll see that they're not doing well because 1. He uses important situations to promote his businesses and 2. They just barely pass inspections. His latest doing in Washington (D.C?) just barely passed inspection but there were many things wrong such as the bathrobes and sheets being questionable. If it were a situation of his businesses were in 1. a bad spot or 2. it was popular way back when but business has slowed and revenue isn't increasing (Kind of like the situation vizzed is in) then ok, that's a different situation than what is going on now!
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I was going to post here awhile back since I voted last month thanks to the absentee ballot, but I kinda wanted to wait until it was closer to election time to make this post here.

I voted for Hillary Clinton because Trump is the most unfit candidate for president in U.S. history. He's never had any experience in politics or military, he's had multiple businesses go bankrupt, and he's made so many nasty comments about the disabled, women, latinos, Native Americans, etc. Trump is the embodiment of hate and greed. Somebody like that doesn't deserve to be the president of the United States.

I would've much rather seen Bernie Sanders get the Democratic nomination than Hillary, but there's nothing that can be done about that. Basically we're stuck with either voting between the lesser of 2 evils, or voting for an independent that has no chance of winning. I chose voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
I was going to post here awhile back since I voted last month thanks to the absentee ballot, but I kinda wanted to wait until it was closer to election time to make this post here.

I voted for Hillary Clinton because Trump is the most unfit candidate for president in U.S. history. He's never had any experience in politics or military, he's had multiple businesses go bankrupt, and he's made so many nasty comments about the disabled, women, latinos, Native Americans, etc. Trump is the embodiment of hate and greed. Somebody like that doesn't deserve to be the president of the United States.

I would've much rather seen Bernie Sanders get the Democratic nomination than Hillary, but there's nothing that can be done about that. Basically we're stuck with either voting between the lesser of 2 evils, or voting for an independent that has no chance of winning. I chose voting for the lesser of 2 evils.
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gamerforlifeforever : Amen!!!! If I could give you trust points for that post alone then I would but since I can't, a post rating will have to do.

Anyways, Hillary Clinton is probably the best candidate we have on the ballot. I say, we have Donald Trump register an account here and have him play some games that will more than likely be ones that a company would want taken down should someone report them (We would actually report the site to the company. No offense David, Just part of my take Trump down plan) and report the site so the company asks us to remove the games Donald Trump is playing so maybe his people will turn against him since he was playing games a site was hosting "ILLEGALLY" and get his supporters to be like "I can't vote for a person who likes to do Illegal things." "He's the one who would probably use a private E-mail sever and probably use tor browser to do classified things." Again, I mean no offense with the reporting thing but IF Trump's supporters are that stupid and abandon him for playing games that were "ILLEGALLY" hosted then maybe Hillary will win provided they all don't go third party.
gamerforlifeforever : Amen!!!! If I could give you trust points for that post alone then I would but since I can't, a post rating will have to do.

Anyways, Hillary Clinton is probably the best candidate we have on the ballot. I say, we have Donald Trump register an account here and have him play some games that will more than likely be ones that a company would want taken down should someone report them (We would actually report the site to the company. No offense David, Just part of my take Trump down plan) and report the site so the company asks us to remove the games Donald Trump is playing so maybe his people will turn against him since he was playing games a site was hosting "ILLEGALLY" and get his supporters to be like "I can't vote for a person who likes to do Illegal things." "He's the one who would probably use a private E-mail sever and probably use tor browser to do classified things." Again, I mean no offense with the reporting thing but IF Trump's supporters are that stupid and abandon him for playing games that were "ILLEGALLY" hosted then maybe Hillary will win provided they all don't go third party.
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Pokemonfan1000 : Umm no we wouldn't want him on vizzed. We'd want someone like that to do it somewhere else.
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gamerforlifeforever : Your right. Back to the drawing board.
gamerforlifeforever : Your right. Back to the drawing board.
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Zlinqx : I need this closed at 6:00 PM tonight. Also, is there anyway to deactivate the poll when this gets closed so no one else can vote. Replies and votes are still welcome until the time specified above.
Zlinqx : I need this closed at 6:00 PM tonight. Also, is there anyway to deactivate the poll when this gets closed so no one else can vote. Replies and votes are still welcome until the time specified above.
Perma Banned
The only user so far in the 309 and 563 area codes currently active on any acmlm based board (save for smwcentral.net and Lespna1) If you want to dispute this claim, feel free to PM me.


Affected by 'Laziness Syndrome'

Registered: 10-20-16
Location: Quad Cities
Last Post: 2466 days
Last Active: 2466 days

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