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Is Nintendo Afraid To Reveal Any NX Info?

So here we are only a half year away from the NX reveal, and fans are excited now more than ever. We've pondered and speculated, we've heard rumor after rumor and promises of the "next era of gaming" from Nintendo, but one thing is a bit worrisome: Nintendo remains entirely silent about anything to do with the NX whatsoever.


Why it's a problem
First of all, allow me to say that I'm not saying this is undeniably a bad sign, I'm simply pointing out that it could be potentially worrisome to fans.

As for why? Most often systems are revealed at least to some extent ahead of time so people can see what they're getting. It's for this same reason that game developers release demos and/or review copies: so you know what you're getting. In fact it's considered bad form for them not to do so, and viewed as being indicative of poor quality, the idea being that the developer is likely hiding the product so as to conceal it's low quality until unsuspecting customers have already purchased it blindly.

Now this is most certainly not what Nintendo is up to, but it does present the question: why is Nintendo refusing to show us anything, even a demo of gameplay on the NX?


There are a few reasons that immediately spring to mind.

Underpowered
Firstly, it could well be that Nintendo's NX was close to the PS4 in power and ability as our most recent reports stated, and now with the PS4 pro out and the Scorpio launching roughly half a year after the NX, that the NX is now not in the spot of competitive ability that Nintendo had once hoped it would be.

Rebuttal:
While it is likely that the NX will be close (though likely slightly inferior) to the PS4 in power, the PS4 Pro is now on the market, and boasts twice the power of the standard PS4 - Nintendo's original benchmark during development. It's also true that Nintendo for the past two generations have neglected to care about power (which I still insist was a large part of Wii U's downfall), and in fact they have once again declared that the NX will be a new "innovation" in gaming.

Nintendo's theory on gaming is that rather than focus on improving what we have, we need to reinvent gaming entirely. Is this good thinking, or reinventing the wheel? That's all speculation, but the fact is Nintendo isn't at all focused on power with the NX, for better or worse.


Poor advertising
Next -- and here's the real concern -- this reeks of Wii U. By that I am referring to both the confusion around what the Wii U was at launch, because again, Nintendo neglected to let us know enough beforehand, as well as the fact that the Wii U had maybe three commercials during it's lifespan, and one or two games on it had ads. This is one of the very reasons that the PlayStation Vita struggled to catch on for the first few years of it's existence, and by the time it did it was too late as far as Sony was concerned. So it looks like Nintendo is falling back into the exact same pitfall as last time in failing to advertise their product and expecting people to just want it anyway.

Ahh Nintendo and Sony, birds of a feather with advertisement incompetence at times.



Will this affect the NX and it's chances for success?
While I won't say yes even though the legit answer is a straight up yes I will say that it will have an impact on the launch period sales figures. The NX could catch up if it manages to thoroughly wow early investors, but it's unwise by any logic to rely on customers to run your advertising department. Besides, why should you set yourself back and force your product to work it's way out of the hole you digged for it instead of giving it a strong start right away?



So why are they being so silent?
Short answer: they're doing this because they're just being Nintendo. This is their business model and has been for over a decade now. It isn't likely that they're hiding anything from us, nor is it likely that they have any fears of it's reception. Nintendo planned it like this and they're confident in their product. Time will tell if that confidence is warranted or not, but at this point it's all up to them.


What do you think? Is there a reason details on the NX are so scant, or is Nintendo just being Nintendo?
Is Nintendo Afraid To Reveal Any NX Info?

So here we are only a half year away from the NX reveal, and fans are excited now more than ever. We've pondered and speculated, we've heard rumor after rumor and promises of the "next era of gaming" from Nintendo, but one thing is a bit worrisome: Nintendo remains entirely silent about anything to do with the NX whatsoever.


Why it's a problem
First of all, allow me to say that I'm not saying this is undeniably a bad sign, I'm simply pointing out that it could be potentially worrisome to fans.

As for why? Most often systems are revealed at least to some extent ahead of time so people can see what they're getting. It's for this same reason that game developers release demos and/or review copies: so you know what you're getting. In fact it's considered bad form for them not to do so, and viewed as being indicative of poor quality, the idea being that the developer is likely hiding the product so as to conceal it's low quality until unsuspecting customers have already purchased it blindly.

Now this is most certainly not what Nintendo is up to, but it does present the question: why is Nintendo refusing to show us anything, even a demo of gameplay on the NX?


There are a few reasons that immediately spring to mind.

Underpowered
Firstly, it could well be that Nintendo's NX was close to the PS4 in power and ability as our most recent reports stated, and now with the PS4 pro out and the Scorpio launching roughly half a year after the NX, that the NX is now not in the spot of competitive ability that Nintendo had once hoped it would be.

Rebuttal:
While it is likely that the NX will be close (though likely slightly inferior) to the PS4 in power, the PS4 Pro is now on the market, and boasts twice the power of the standard PS4 - Nintendo's original benchmark during development. It's also true that Nintendo for the past two generations have neglected to care about power (which I still insist was a large part of Wii U's downfall), and in fact they have once again declared that the NX will be a new "innovation" in gaming.

Nintendo's theory on gaming is that rather than focus on improving what we have, we need to reinvent gaming entirely. Is this good thinking, or reinventing the wheel? That's all speculation, but the fact is Nintendo isn't at all focused on power with the NX, for better or worse.


Poor advertising
Next -- and here's the real concern -- this reeks of Wii U. By that I am referring to both the confusion around what the Wii U was at launch, because again, Nintendo neglected to let us know enough beforehand, as well as the fact that the Wii U had maybe three commercials during it's lifespan, and one or two games on it had ads. This is one of the very reasons that the PlayStation Vita struggled to catch on for the first few years of it's existence, and by the time it did it was too late as far as Sony was concerned. So it looks like Nintendo is falling back into the exact same pitfall as last time in failing to advertise their product and expecting people to just want it anyway.

Ahh Nintendo and Sony, birds of a feather with advertisement incompetence at times.



Will this affect the NX and it's chances for success?
While I won't say yes even though the legit answer is a straight up yes I will say that it will have an impact on the launch period sales figures. The NX could catch up if it manages to thoroughly wow early investors, but it's unwise by any logic to rely on customers to run your advertising department. Besides, why should you set yourself back and force your product to work it's way out of the hole you digged for it instead of giving it a strong start right away?



So why are they being so silent?
Short answer: they're doing this because they're just being Nintendo. This is their business model and has been for over a decade now. It isn't likely that they're hiding anything from us, nor is it likely that they have any fears of it's reception. Nintendo planned it like this and they're confident in their product. Time will tell if that confidence is warranted or not, but at this point it's all up to them.


What do you think? Is there a reason details on the NX are so scant, or is Nintendo just being Nintendo?
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If it wasn't for Vizzed, I wouldn't even know what the NX is. I have one friend who's posted a facebook meme about it, but otherwise, nothing. My friends and I don't talk about it like I've heard people discuss the PS4 before its' release.

You raise some very good points. I'm also wondering if they're going to at least advertise it just before release, or are people going to walk into the store and be like, "Hey what's that?" haha.

also... ugh, the WiiU.
If it wasn't for Vizzed, I wouldn't even know what the NX is. I have one friend who's posted a facebook meme about it, but otherwise, nothing. My friends and I don't talk about it like I've heard people discuss the PS4 before its' release.

You raise some very good points. I'm also wondering if they're going to at least advertise it just before release, or are people going to walk into the store and be like, "Hey what's that?" haha.

also... ugh, the WiiU.
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Hmm its so like....Nintendo to do something of this. I guess its the reason I am not really up to date with modern gaming nowadays. From the time you posted a thread about it I am still wondering what it is really. What it will look like and how the gaming of the console be. Its not as if I will buy the thing, but a little curious of what and how it will evolve the gaming community as a whole.
Hmm its so like....Nintendo to do something of this. I guess its the reason I am not really up to date with modern gaming nowadays. From the time you posted a thread about it I am still wondering what it is really. What it will look like and how the gaming of the console be. Its not as if I will buy the thing, but a little curious of what and how it will evolve the gaming community as a whole.
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plasticinsanity : Lol Exactly! That's a big problem I think, and they really need to work on their advertising in a big way. Television adds would be ideal, but even printed ads and internet ads would be huge improvements for them. I fear it'll be like the PS Vita was and most people outside of Japan will find out about it just like you said - walking into a store and seeing it on display. That's not too far off of what happened with the Wii U either. Most people don't watch things like E3, so only really dedicated people know of the NX really. How do you buy what you don't know exists?


Eniitan : And that's the frustrating part about it. Gamers and dedicated fans have been left in the dark to an unfair extent. You want us to drop $300-600 on it Nintendo, yet you don't want us to know what it is? I can't wait until a couple of weeks before it releases and just whip out that much money! So many of us need time to save up, and that either costs the NX a big chunk of early sales, or makes the fans pay money blindly.

Honestly I'm still thinking it'll be like the PS Vita/PSTV combo in that it'll be a nearly PS4 power handheld that tethers to a TV. Nintendo can't afford to drop handhelds, but they can't survive on handhelds alone. That's just my opinion which amounts to nothing really.
plasticinsanity : Lol Exactly! That's a big problem I think, and they really need to work on their advertising in a big way. Television adds would be ideal, but even printed ads and internet ads would be huge improvements for them. I fear it'll be like the PS Vita was and most people outside of Japan will find out about it just like you said - walking into a store and seeing it on display. That's not too far off of what happened with the Wii U either. Most people don't watch things like E3, so only really dedicated people know of the NX really. How do you buy what you don't know exists?


Eniitan : And that's the frustrating part about it. Gamers and dedicated fans have been left in the dark to an unfair extent. You want us to drop $300-600 on it Nintendo, yet you don't want us to know what it is? I can't wait until a couple of weeks before it releases and just whip out that much money! So many of us need time to save up, and that either costs the NX a big chunk of early sales, or makes the fans pay money blindly.

Honestly I'm still thinking it'll be like the PS Vita/PSTV combo in that it'll be a nearly PS4 power handheld that tethers to a TV. Nintendo can't afford to drop handhelds, but they can't survive on handhelds alone. That's just my opinion which amounts to nothing really.
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Eirinn : Which is the reason now why I even question about gaming community today. You can never know what can happen.....thats why I don't bother wasting money for a new gaming console because there are things for me which are not encouraging to buy. Which is what you have basically explained on about.
Eirinn : Which is the reason now why I even question about gaming community today. You can never know what can happen.....thats why I don't bother wasting money for a new gaming console because there are things for me which are not encouraging to buy. Which is what you have basically explained on about.
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I am kind of wondering about  those points you brought up yourself, there is no sane reason that they would say NOTHING AT ALL about this hip new console that all the cool cats should be buying this spring.

Man Nintendo...I hate that you are getting old and senile. I loved you so much dammit!!!!

I don't know, maybe they will give it a boost of power before showing it off officially? I don't know, they wanted to compete, but never actually had to compete before. All I know if, as much as I love and adore the classic Nintendo all of us know and love, if this becomes a HUGE flop, and another bucket of wasted potential, I may just be a PC gamer from here on out.
I am kind of wondering about  those points you brought up yourself, there is no sane reason that they would say NOTHING AT ALL about this hip new console that all the cool cats should be buying this spring.

Man Nintendo...I hate that you are getting old and senile. I loved you so much dammit!!!!

I don't know, maybe they will give it a boost of power before showing it off officially? I don't know, they wanted to compete, but never actually had to compete before. All I know if, as much as I love and adore the classic Nintendo all of us know and love, if this becomes a HUGE flop, and another bucket of wasted potential, I may just be a PC gamer from here on out.
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Although I wouldn't really say that it's a bad sign that minimal info is coming out about NX, what I will say is that it's strange.

I guess they feel like no matter what they do, they will probably get criticized, which is true because they are the frequent punching bag from modern gamers in general.

That being said, I think it's kinda keeping things mysterious leading up to the grand reveal, which is something that Nintendo has done for a long time. I know the details surrounding the Wii were scarce. Similar with N64. Heck even with this NES Classic Mini, details have been somewhat scarce up until recently.

So really, it could go either way, but I don't really think them keeping details scarce at this point spells doom. At least not yet.
Although I wouldn't really say that it's a bad sign that minimal info is coming out about NX, what I will say is that it's strange.

I guess they feel like no matter what they do, they will probably get criticized, which is true because they are the frequent punching bag from modern gamers in general.

That being said, I think it's kinda keeping things mysterious leading up to the grand reveal, which is something that Nintendo has done for a long time. I know the details surrounding the Wii were scarce. Similar with N64. Heck even with this NES Classic Mini, details have been somewhat scarce up until recently.

So really, it could go either way, but I don't really think them keeping details scarce at this point spells doom. At least not yet.
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Underpowered? nope all nintendo consoles have been underpowered, they know how their fans feel about a full flash console (WII & WII-U). So why would they do the same meaningless thing, they lost lots of profit from the wii and wii u. When people think nintendo, they think handheld system like nintendo 3ds, gameboy, and NX. Everyone else don't do that because its aim at better gaming then traveling with the game.

Poor advertising? nope they know people are spreading rumors and guess what it works 10x better than direct answers because people will buy it to find information that others haven't. the wii and wii u, were a mistake because it broke the developers gaming idea, this can clearly be shown with star fox where developers hated the touch controls but were forced to use it, thus making it minimal use as possible.

Will this affect the NX and it's chances for success? again nintendo is strong with handheld systems, soney fail because they never understood the product or its customers, Dingoo fail due to lack of security and technology moving fast, PSP Go fail to have better controls, Xperia Play fail for being outdated, Nvidia Shield Portable fail to understand gaming experience and it cost too much, and lastly GCW Zero was something but like all kickstarts it was never made public.

you understand now, nintendo owns the handheld side of things, while everyone always somehow mess it up. 
Underpowered? nope all nintendo consoles have been underpowered, they know how their fans feel about a full flash console (WII & WII-U). So why would they do the same meaningless thing, they lost lots of profit from the wii and wii u. When people think nintendo, they think handheld system like nintendo 3ds, gameboy, and NX. Everyone else don't do that because its aim at better gaming then traveling with the game.

Poor advertising? nope they know people are spreading rumors and guess what it works 10x better than direct answers because people will buy it to find information that others haven't. the wii and wii u, were a mistake because it broke the developers gaming idea, this can clearly be shown with star fox where developers hated the touch controls but were forced to use it, thus making it minimal use as possible.

Will this affect the NX and it's chances for success? again nintendo is strong with handheld systems, soney fail because they never understood the product or its customers, Dingoo fail due to lack of security and technology moving fast, PSP Go fail to have better controls, Xperia Play fail for being outdated, Nvidia Shield Portable fail to understand gaming experience and it cost too much, and lastly GCW Zero was something but like all kickstarts it was never made public.

you understand now, nintendo owns the handheld side of things, while everyone always somehow mess it up. 
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Well to be honest I really don't care that they are silent about It, I mean even if it isn't a powerhouse as long as the games are good then I'm fine with it though I see some not being. In the end I really don't think it matters that they are being quiet because...

My body is ready.
Well to be honest I really don't care that they are silent about It, I mean even if it isn't a powerhouse as long as the games are good then I'm fine with it though I see some not being. In the end I really don't think it matters that they are being quiet because...

My body is ready.
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Nintendo is silent about it because they're busy tracking who's using the old games they pretend to remaster for the NX. Admit that this answer is absolutely logical knowing Nintendo's actions in the last months, probably even years.

Of course it will be underpowered. Nintendo wants innovations, and they never thought about realistic graphics (like provided with VR systems) as a viable option. They go more for expanding the concept of videogames (something that VR, once again, also provides), perfectly seen in the Wii and Wii U's controllers. They try to get everyone to play, so they aim for simpleness at playing instead of the brutal and fast-paced action avid gamers find in other consoles.

I admit that there's very little out there about NX. We only had that "controller" leaked, while we had a lot of drafts about the possible look of Sony's or Microsoft's consoles in the last years. However, as others pointed out, it's just Nintendo's usual attitude, and the real question is if this attitude of theirs is giving them good results.

One interesting point about Nintendo is that they design a lot of their console's games, instead of having exclusive third-parties developing games for them or entering in a partnership with the most successful developers. If the best games for the console will be developed by Nintendo itself, then there's nothing wrong in hiding it because everyone knowing what's going on resides in the same building.

During the first weeks, probably even months, sales won't be ridiculously high nor will it take the market by storm because of not being advertised well. Can it catch up later on? Well, depends on what makes it unique against the powerful competition and of course how accessible it is.
Nintendo is silent about it because they're busy tracking who's using the old games they pretend to remaster for the NX. Admit that this answer is absolutely logical knowing Nintendo's actions in the last months, probably even years.

Of course it will be underpowered. Nintendo wants innovations, and they never thought about realistic graphics (like provided with VR systems) as a viable option. They go more for expanding the concept of videogames (something that VR, once again, also provides), perfectly seen in the Wii and Wii U's controllers. They try to get everyone to play, so they aim for simpleness at playing instead of the brutal and fast-paced action avid gamers find in other consoles.

I admit that there's very little out there about NX. We only had that "controller" leaked, while we had a lot of drafts about the possible look of Sony's or Microsoft's consoles in the last years. However, as others pointed out, it's just Nintendo's usual attitude, and the real question is if this attitude of theirs is giving them good results.

One interesting point about Nintendo is that they design a lot of their console's games, instead of having exclusive third-parties developing games for them or entering in a partnership with the most successful developers. If the best games for the console will be developed by Nintendo itself, then there's nothing wrong in hiding it because everyone knowing what's going on resides in the same building.

During the first weeks, probably even months, sales won't be ridiculously high nor will it take the market by storm because of not being advertised well. Can it catch up later on? Well, depends on what makes it unique against the powerful competition and of course how accessible it is.
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I don't think Nintendo is going to get 3rd party support and its ultimately gonna be the demise of the NX.
There are only so many Zelda and Mario games we can play before we want something new.
I don't think Nintendo is going to get 3rd party support and its ultimately gonna be the demise of the NX.
There are only so many Zelda and Mario games we can play before we want something new.
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A user of this : I honestly used to say I loved Nintendo back in the day, but the more I look back the more I realize that I enjoyed the NES, SNES, and N64, but always preferred their competitors. I feel like they never reached their full potential, but they did well enough back then. The NX though? I'm not even sure what to think at this point. All I know is that if this succeeds it will be through no fault of Nintendo's. Lol *springs a system on you all at once* "Now buy it! "


Jordanv78 : Really I'm inclined to agree. I give them a lot of grief but only because I know they have a ton of untapped potential and it aggravates me that PlayStation's biggest competitor is Microsoft when it could so easily be Nintendo if they would just try harder.

As for the NX details, I don't think they're hiding anything, I was actually addressing the chatter that I've heard going around on various news sites. Nintendo indeed just does this, and I think it's a very bad habit honestly. Games may sell consoles, but if you tell no one about those games or consoles, no one is exactly who will buy it. I'm just hoping this is a good system and it goes over well.



mastergame : I'm not sure I understand your opening comment. You said their consoles usually are underpowered but seemed to imply that Wii and Wii U were powerful. Unless you were saying the NX was not going to be underpowered like Wii and Wii U.
In either case I think the difference between NX and PS4 Pro or Xbox Scorpio will be pointless since those two will be running standard Xbox and PS4 games and so NX will only have to compete with the least common denominators, or the standard PS4 and Xbox One. I don't think NX will be on par with those systems but I think it'll be close enough to be much more developer friendly than Wii U is. But whether Nintendo secures third party support is another question entirely.

Also I have to disagree that rumors are more effective than advertising. Case in point: PS4 vs. Wii U launch sales. MOST consumers won't drop $300 or more just to teat a console out and see for themselves if the rumors are true. The majority (like myself) would rather know what they're getting into first, hence reviews.

Actually Sony did well with PSP and fairly well with the Vita, and the owners of the Vita all seem to agree that it's a great system and the first party games are top notch, but Sony failed to advertise it. Also the Vita was too costly due to proprietary technology. However Nintendo has always outdone them in that department as far as sales go for various reasons. And for this reason I agree that Nintendo can't afford to give up handhelds. However I don't see them dropping consoles either, and thus I'm inclined to believe it's a hybrid as so many have speculated. This HAS indeed been done before to an extent, and it was appreciated by those that tried it, but not many tried it. Basically I figure Nintendo thinks this will attract handheld and console gamers when in reality it'll only attract handheld gamers.


18mlivingston : See, I like your outlook on it. Supportive and realistic. Few can get that with any product. My only fear is that it won't grab any new customers and that's what it needs. So for the company I see it being bad, but for fans it should be good.


EX Palen : Part of me wonders if that was serious or a joke in the first paragraph. Either way it made me smile so.

I think you hit some very valid points there, man. Nintendo is too focused on what they think would be a "neat concept" and innovative to see other possibilities. I'm far from a VR fan, but at least it's something people have been wanting for years. This other stuff was never asked for and never wanted. With Wii and Wii U I feel like they forgot the saying "if it's not broken, don't fix it". Gaming was doing just fine and Wii and Wii U tried to fix it, but that wasn't needed. All that was needed was a solid entry with good gamer friendly titles.

Again: solid point. This is their usual attitude, but is it doing them good? I think we agree on the answer to that one, so I'll leave it unspoken.

As for the point that most of their games may well be made by them: that's a problem I think. No third party games. You see Nintendo is trying to play the proprietary game and that hasn't worked for years. Most of the choice between consoles now is how the console fits you as a gamer, not first party support. And while first party support IS a big deal, third party is a bigger deal. Nintendo has been trying to support themselves all alone for too long now.

And in regards to early sales: if a console flops for the first half year it's pretty much dead in the water for the rest of the gen because no early adopters means no third party games. No third party games means small library. Small library means no customers. No customers means no third party support, no third party support etc. A vicious cycle that the Wii U fell victim to.



Vanelan : This! So much this. See and that's a huge problem: we've basically had the same games since the NES and they're getting stale. We need fresh. We need variety. Otherwise we get bored. It's third party support or death for the NX.
A user of this : I honestly used to say I loved Nintendo back in the day, but the more I look back the more I realize that I enjoyed the NES, SNES, and N64, but always preferred their competitors. I feel like they never reached their full potential, but they did well enough back then. The NX though? I'm not even sure what to think at this point. All I know is that if this succeeds it will be through no fault of Nintendo's. Lol *springs a system on you all at once* "Now buy it! "


Jordanv78 : Really I'm inclined to agree. I give them a lot of grief but only because I know they have a ton of untapped potential and it aggravates me that PlayStation's biggest competitor is Microsoft when it could so easily be Nintendo if they would just try harder.

As for the NX details, I don't think they're hiding anything, I was actually addressing the chatter that I've heard going around on various news sites. Nintendo indeed just does this, and I think it's a very bad habit honestly. Games may sell consoles, but if you tell no one about those games or consoles, no one is exactly who will buy it. I'm just hoping this is a good system and it goes over well.



mastergame : I'm not sure I understand your opening comment. You said their consoles usually are underpowered but seemed to imply that Wii and Wii U were powerful. Unless you were saying the NX was not going to be underpowered like Wii and Wii U.
In either case I think the difference between NX and PS4 Pro or Xbox Scorpio will be pointless since those two will be running standard Xbox and PS4 games and so NX will only have to compete with the least common denominators, or the standard PS4 and Xbox One. I don't think NX will be on par with those systems but I think it'll be close enough to be much more developer friendly than Wii U is. But whether Nintendo secures third party support is another question entirely.

Also I have to disagree that rumors are more effective than advertising. Case in point: PS4 vs. Wii U launch sales. MOST consumers won't drop $300 or more just to teat a console out and see for themselves if the rumors are true. The majority (like myself) would rather know what they're getting into first, hence reviews.

Actually Sony did well with PSP and fairly well with the Vita, and the owners of the Vita all seem to agree that it's a great system and the first party games are top notch, but Sony failed to advertise it. Also the Vita was too costly due to proprietary technology. However Nintendo has always outdone them in that department as far as sales go for various reasons. And for this reason I agree that Nintendo can't afford to give up handhelds. However I don't see them dropping consoles either, and thus I'm inclined to believe it's a hybrid as so many have speculated. This HAS indeed been done before to an extent, and it was appreciated by those that tried it, but not many tried it. Basically I figure Nintendo thinks this will attract handheld and console gamers when in reality it'll only attract handheld gamers.


18mlivingston : See, I like your outlook on it. Supportive and realistic. Few can get that with any product. My only fear is that it won't grab any new customers and that's what it needs. So for the company I see it being bad, but for fans it should be good.


EX Palen : Part of me wonders if that was serious or a joke in the first paragraph. Either way it made me smile so.

I think you hit some very valid points there, man. Nintendo is too focused on what they think would be a "neat concept" and innovative to see other possibilities. I'm far from a VR fan, but at least it's something people have been wanting for years. This other stuff was never asked for and never wanted. With Wii and Wii U I feel like they forgot the saying "if it's not broken, don't fix it". Gaming was doing just fine and Wii and Wii U tried to fix it, but that wasn't needed. All that was needed was a solid entry with good gamer friendly titles.

Again: solid point. This is their usual attitude, but is it doing them good? I think we agree on the answer to that one, so I'll leave it unspoken.

As for the point that most of their games may well be made by them: that's a problem I think. No third party games. You see Nintendo is trying to play the proprietary game and that hasn't worked for years. Most of the choice between consoles now is how the console fits you as a gamer, not first party support. And while first party support IS a big deal, third party is a bigger deal. Nintendo has been trying to support themselves all alone for too long now.

And in regards to early sales: if a console flops for the first half year it's pretty much dead in the water for the rest of the gen because no early adopters means no third party games. No third party games means small library. Small library means no customers. No customers means no third party support, no third party support etc. A vicious cycle that the Wii U fell victim to.



Vanelan : This! So much this. See and that's a huge problem: we've basically had the same games since the NES and they're getting stale. We need fresh. We need variety. Otherwise we get bored. It's third party support or death for the NX.
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With some more details surfacing about the New Nintendo "Switch" I'm thinking this console sounds pretty darn promising. Certainly more promising than their more recent consoles. Also sounds cool that they have some pretty interesting sounding 3rd party titles coming. That though, is really the main issue for me with Nintendo console releases these days.

What games are going to be available near launch? That's what has been irritating me with the last couple console releases. Hopefully this time around they release some fan favorite franchise games and get their fanbase involved early on in the process. So irritating to have to wait 2-3 years into the life cycle to get a decent library of good games.

At least they have peaked my interest. I'll be interested to see what other news comes out in the coming months.
With some more details surfacing about the New Nintendo "Switch" I'm thinking this console sounds pretty darn promising. Certainly more promising than their more recent consoles. Also sounds cool that they have some pretty interesting sounding 3rd party titles coming. That though, is really the main issue for me with Nintendo console releases these days.

What games are going to be available near launch? That's what has been irritating me with the last couple console releases. Hopefully this time around they release some fan favorite franchise games and get their fanbase involved early on in the process. So irritating to have to wait 2-3 years into the life cycle to get a decent library of good games.

At least they have peaked my interest. I'll be interested to see what other news comes out in the coming months.
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Jordanv78 : I definitely think the Switch will prove a good system and profitable for Nintendo, and heck, even I want one! But I don't see it putting them in direct competition with PS4 and Xbox One at this point since it can't come close to the power of PS4 Pro or Xbox One S. With PS4 Pro running 4K and Scorpio coming next year with even stronger hardware, Switch is rumored to put out 900p.

Still it will make them a valid choice for third party developers and I seriously expect it to be their biggest system since the GameCube (barring Wii in terms of sales. I do think with core gamers Switch will be more popular though), and at current it looks like it deserves to be their biggest console in recent memory. It looks solid.


So yeah, big potential turning point for the big N and I for one am duly impressed. I just don't think this will crush the competition and I see fans clamoring about that possibility and claiming it to be a PS4 killer. That won't happen in my opinion, but you will have a worthwhile console on your hands. I'm glad to see them step up their game and focus on gaming itself.
Jordanv78 : I definitely think the Switch will prove a good system and profitable for Nintendo, and heck, even I want one! But I don't see it putting them in direct competition with PS4 and Xbox One at this point since it can't come close to the power of PS4 Pro or Xbox One S. With PS4 Pro running 4K and Scorpio coming next year with even stronger hardware, Switch is rumored to put out 900p.

Still it will make them a valid choice for third party developers and I seriously expect it to be their biggest system since the GameCube (barring Wii in terms of sales. I do think with core gamers Switch will be more popular though), and at current it looks like it deserves to be their biggest console in recent memory. It looks solid.


So yeah, big potential turning point for the big N and I for one am duly impressed. I just don't think this will crush the competition and I see fans clamoring about that possibility and claiming it to be a PS4 killer. That won't happen in my opinion, but you will have a worthwhile console on your hands. I'm glad to see them step up their game and focus on gaming itself.
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I don't by any means see the Switch toppling Xbox and PS4 in total sales by any means, but really it kinda depends on the price point on how far it can go and the games available. The general public these days prefer thing to be portable, which is proven in the popularity of mobile games so the sky could be the limit if they do the smart thing and give the fans what they want and provide enough 3rd party titles to give people on the fence a reason to try one out.

So if Nintendo releases some great franchise titles on it near launch and they are able to get some decent 3rd party support, the sky's the limit if they can keep their price point reasonable. I for one like what I hear up to this point. Just comes down to the titles available near launch that and a price point between 275-350$ and I'm on board.
I don't by any means see the Switch toppling Xbox and PS4 in total sales by any means, but really it kinda depends on the price point on how far it can go and the games available. The general public these days prefer thing to be portable, which is proven in the popularity of mobile games so the sky could be the limit if they do the smart thing and give the fans what they want and provide enough 3rd party titles to give people on the fence a reason to try one out.

So if Nintendo releases some great franchise titles on it near launch and they are able to get some decent 3rd party support, the sky's the limit if they can keep their price point reasonable. I for one like what I hear up to this point. Just comes down to the titles available near launch that and a price point between 275-350$ and I'm on board.
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Nintendo doesn't want to leak everything at once especially since the console was officially announced like 6-8 months before it is set to go on sale so they are hoping people buy it so they can discover the features themselves rather than revealing a majority of it at once.
Nintendo doesn't want to leak everything at once especially since the console was officially announced like 6-8 months before it is set to go on sale so they are hoping people buy it so they can discover the features themselves rather than revealing a majority of it at once.
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