LunarDarkness2 : By bringing transgender laws, LBGT community in every single campaign trying to appeal to their own set group of citizens as opposed to discuss these further. Here in Ocala, the whole transgender law of bathroom bans has created a big division and our schools are facing no federal funding due to opposing bathroom regulations passed by the President. It's either you do this or we take away that. It all just seems to not be done in a more calm manner. It all advocates a division among the people. Look at how violent all of these campaigns have become, all the offensive words and slur used towards minorities, it advocates a sense of carelessness and inequality. Some of us are smart and tolerant enough to not follow such examples but, many don't. Just recently, my co-worker starts yelling I am a Donald Trump supporter and kept saying ruthless things at work and how it would be completely fine by her if he destroy this country as long as it was a White Man in charge and how we all need to be taken back and leave pure whites here- fanatics like that are been fueled by the media and political campaigns- thinking they can act like that anywhere even at work. You can support anyone you want and believe as you desire but, to take it to extremes like this tragedy is sad and unfortunately it does not seem to change the nature of these campaigns or nation. If it was people taking care of people regardless of anything else, we would be in good hands but, these liberal and conservatives agendas have been pushed so far for so long that it has become detrimental to our presidential elections and our daily lives. Seems politics are far more important as they appeal to our emotions and believes rather than strategical plans to fix our debt. More people die due to hatred and division- in most cases an act of ISIS in others even our own people. Not to mention the new laws that usually follow these tragic events. It's just sad.

jlove92 :

But I don't think that's the reason this incident happened. It happened because of an ISIS sympathizer. It wasn't the government that caused this to happen, in my opinion.

This is just tragic and what I hate most about this is that both parties are going to try and use it to push their political agenda which kind of sickens me.
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 That said, I don't see how some civilians with guns most of which only have basic knowledge are going to be able to do much against armored military, with much better equipment and who are specifically trained to kill. Furthermore I don't get why you think taking away guns from people is going to cause other nations to attack you, none of those countries are going to risk starting a 3rd world war and China in particular are dependant on you not going into a war due to how they own most of your debt and are dependant on you economically. Korea and Russia are both too weak militarily to pose a threat, you already have the most powerful military out of any country. You're also allied with most western nations so none of these countries really pose a threat in the extremely unlikely event that they'd try to attack the US which they all stand to lose a lot from doing. These countries have changed a lot since the cold war was still going on.

Also for that matter, I find it extremely hard to believe that this scenario described of the government turning on their own people is going to happen in a democratic western country today in the first place, in particular a country like the US. If it did I don't think other countries would just stand by idly either watch. To me that doesn't seem like a very good argument to defend having increased access to guns basing it on a very extreme scenario that there's no proof that it'll actually happen again. Seems like nothing more than scare tactic to me.

Then there's all the bad that comes from increased access to guns, leading to more gun violence and more innocent people dying as pretty much any statistics show. People in general are simply not responsible enough to own guns. Not to mention most guns criminals get do in fact originally come from stores who legally sell them in the US so you're helping supply them with guns as well. I'm not saying to enact a ban on guns because with how many guns there already are in circulation in the US that wouldn't really work out but I don't think increased gun control is a bad thing.

Yes one shouldn't take away freedom. But I don't see how freedom also means that you should have the ability to be able to so easily take someone else's life. Seems like that's the point where it starts to infringe on other people's freedom.

Anyway this thread has derailed, I just want to reply to that seeing as you already made a post. If you feel like discussing further this feel free to make a post in debate forum.

Thank you,lordbelial669,you see the fundamental problem with current gun control. The government is disarming us slowly,even considering an amendment to the 2nd Amendment. I agree something must be done,but not at the cost of our freedoms. Now,I do not know when this jerk bought his weapons,but if it was in 2013 or 2014,when the FBI questioned him about possible ISIS sympathies,he should have been put on a watch list. That would mean,he cannot use a federal facility,he cannot fly,among other things. He should have also been barred from buying a gun while under investigation.

But the biggest sticking point here is he was an ISIS sympathizer. He sided with terrorists. He should have been detained indefinitely until he was properly cleared. Am I denying his freedoms? Maybe. But if it saves lives,I am willing to rescind his rights to save others. The FBI failed and needs to take responsibility for their lack of action. Yes,I know they stopped several other attempts and they did good. But we are at war with these believers.

I think the thing that makes me sick most of all is that supposedly educated and intelligent people are lured into ISIS's words and philosophies. They think they are doing divine justice,but all they are doing is killing innocent people and ensuring they have a short life. Wake up ISIS followers,ISIS cares nothing for you,you are disposable pawns to be used as they see fit.

Oldschool777 : Last thing i'm gonna say about this is that having a deadly weapon is not freedom.

But yeah, like zlinqx said we might want to make a gun control thread if there isn't one already.


EDIT:  i see the discussion in another thread. Never mind what I said.

It's quite sickening, Lunar. This feels like a hate crime. All those who died.... my sincere condolences to their families. Thankfully, this stuff wouldn't happen in Canada ever, because we respect the LGBT community. We carry their flag with pride. This was much deadlier than Seung Hui-cho's Virginia Tech massacre in early 2007. 32 people died there. It was formerly the deadliest attack by a single gunman in America, until now. This reminds me of school shootings, and their turbulent perpetrators, like Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold (13 dead), Jeff Weise ( 9 dead), Adam Lanza (27 dead), and Elliot Rodger (6 dead). Life is terribly tragic. Who knows when the next massacre will arise? Stay alert and aware!

The Orlando shooting just makes you wonder how many more disasters and deaths will it take for us to take more action on homeland security and combating radical Islamic citizens. I've read that the FBI was investigating the shooters families for previous radical beliefs and behaviors. There is a trend here with Orlando, San Bernardino and anywhere else that an attack will occur: the shooters have been suspected of radical beliefs before and we end up being too late to act when there's dead people. I agree so much with Trump's statement on this saying that we need to start taking more action and we need to stop being so "politically correct" because politically correct doesn't save lives in this time where anyone around us could be planning to kill us. And I'm not talking about countries, I'm talking about people HERE, in the UNITED STATES where they can hurt US. Just think about it next time before we see another attack on the news...

Imamonster and others that support gun control. Read this and see why it has failed.

http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm

My thought goes out to the family that are affected by these horrible action by a crazy man. Shame this happens where innocent people are killed.

Sorry for the late reply, but I was busy over the last few days. My thoughts and prayers go out to the victims of this horrible attack, the Muslim community, and the LGBT community. 50 lives were taken for no reason, besides the fact that they were "different". People need to respect each other more. Everyone's going to have different beliefs and values, but killing people just based on something like this is terrible. I feel bad for the Muslim community as well because they have to put up with more trashing of their name because of the actions of a few. I really feel bad for the LGBT community as it's really discouraging to see people die for no good reason. I hope we, as people, one day, respect others and don't carry out acts of horrible violence like this just because something they believe in is something we don't. 

You weren't the gunman, but you didn't want to see gay people kissing in public. You weren't the gunman, but you don't like gay characters on TV. You weren't the gunman, but you think gay people are sinful and need saving.

You weren't the gunman, but you were upset when LGBT people gained the right to marry. You weren't the gunman, but you use slurs and make fun of gay people. You weren't the gunman, but you would vote against legal protections for gay people.

You weren't the gunman, but you still think guns are the solution. You weren't the gunman, but you still think guns are favorable to a peaceful society.

You weren't the gunman, but you're the culture that built him. You're the bullets in his gun.

This is a real tragedy. What's worse is I still see people trying to put the blame one something that's obviously not the problem. I see people posting stuff everywhere that still hates on gay people. That's like if people started posting hateful stuff after 9/11. It's disgusting.

I'm so sorry to anyone that got involved in this. I know i'm late, but I couldn't process it. It's terrible, 50 lives were lost that day, and countless more were destroyed, and even more lives are now put in danger and are terrified of living because of it.

imamonster :   What you consider a deadly weapon could just as easily be a pencil.  Having a weapon gives the freedom to fight a tyrannical government, which, yes, we are being ruled by, so yes, that is freedom.  The FBI and most of the government have handed the people weapons to do what they wish to do with them already and give them leniency and a way out.  What you see on TV is just that...a drama.  It is up to us to put an end to their madness

lordbelial669 : Well, that is a flawed viewpoint in my opinion.

Having an easily accessible gun will make mass shootings easier. And I will stand by that.

tornadocam : Do you think any other kid would be reported for taking a clock to school?

Just a friendly reminder - this is not a DEBATE FORUM but simply a place to pass on news stories. If you want to debate gun control then someone should make a thread about it.

geeogree : Yeah, I mentioned in my posts that the thread was really going off-topic but I got sucked back in.

This shooting, yet again, has shown two main things

- gun-free zones are completely ineffective
- politicians respond to gun violence by wanting to disarm law-abiding citizens even more.

Guns don't make us safe you say? Government statistics beg to differ https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/guns4.jpg

imamonster : When your government tells you  that you no longer need guns, and THEY still have them, then you still need guns as well.  The Nazis disarmed the Jewish population and look what happened.  The US government called for gun control with the ACTUAL Americans of this country and they slaughtered more people at wounded knee than most of our "terrorist mass shootings" combined.  Wake up and smell your terrorism