Eniitan : Well,in an argument,I find opinions are meaningless,it's the facts that matter.How was I being rude?If you get bothered by something harmless like what I said,the internet isn't the place for you.Saying I didn't read is rude,especially when I directly responded to everything you said in your comment.

Alright! So here I am. Now look, at first, I was big-time Goku wins. But honestly, after looking at the facts, there is no contest. If we're using superman at his fullest, he can't be beaten. While you have proved that he's not nearly as strong as anyone says he is, he's still leagues ahead of Goku. While the modern superman would get curbstomped, older versions of superman could either stomp goku or get stomped. There really is no in between. If we're going maximum vs maximum, then Superman wins. In the majority of scenarios, Goku does win though.

Although, I watched this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zq1aPOunsFA

And considering that the vast majority of Goku's shots are either yellow or blue, would a kamehameha just make Superman stronger?

I am a dragon ball z fan though, no doubt, not much of a DC one.

Titan127 : You clearly didn't look at the evidence then.The facts show Superman is nowhere near Goku.Can't be beaten?That's a laugh,he's been beaten up plenty of times.The strongest Supermen can't even beat Goku's base,which is universal by now after training under Whis & going through the time chamber(& we know how much stronger than made Vegeta the 1st time).
That "theory" has plenty of holes in it,like the fact ki is refereed to as energy in the series,not as plasma.Also no,that's not how Superman's power works,he gets power from solar energy of stars of a certain color,even if his attacks were plasma,it wouldn't have the same effect.I can tell,considering you don't know much about Superman if you say he can't be beaten,when he's been beaten & even killed.

Supermatt6534 : I can't really argue much of this, sorry. :/ I really don't know alot about superman. I mean, if Goku is that much more powerful than superman, (my point, by the way, is that superman can't be beaten by Goku, not that he was unbeatable, sorry for not clarifying there). But the theory is actually pretty sound. While 'ki' is referred to as energy, it is only energy when being consumed (ex: when creating the attacks). They're harnessing they're electric potential to create plasma, and hence using energy. Plasma, by the way, has a massive amount of energy within, and you also can't assume that 'ki' has been studied, as I'm fairly certain that science revolving around it, beyond the scouter, is fairly primitive. Also, energy can't physically push, it requires mass, which plasma has. And the sun is plasma, that's where solar energy comes from. If sitting in the sun gave him a huge amount of power, then so would a blue or yellow ki blast. (maybe red instead of blue, idk). 

Sorry though, that's off topic. I really can't argue this one, but my thing is that I feel like superman's writers have effectively made him OP because of bad writing. He destroys galaxies with a sneeze. I know for a fact that Goku can't destroy galaxies with a sneeze, and while an argument could be made for him being universal, mainly, from what I've seen, the Beerus fight's punches, that sort of thing only happened once, and was likely the natural result of two gods clashing, as the energy was becoming greater as it got farther away from them.

Titan127 : Again,there is evidence showing that Goku is much stronger.You shouldn't say one character can beat another character without at least trying to argue with it if you're going to go against it.No,it isn't.It was stated that 19 & 20 absorb ki,not matter,& 19 absorbed Goku's Kamehameha.Not to mention the fact if ki attacks were plasma,they'd have so much of it they'd become black holes considering their ki attacks are great enough to wipe out a universe(referring to Goku vs Beerus where that was stated).Not to mention he showed that plasma pushes upwards when it collides & pushes against the other,while ki attacks do nothing of the sort.He shot his own hypothesis in the foot when he showed that.Having energy in it doesn't change that fact that would be throwing matter,not energy,& it stated their ki attacks,not plasma attacks.It's called fiction,which also has something to it called suspension of disbelief.No,the solar energy comes from the sun producing elements through nuclear fusion.
http://www.universetoday.com/75803/how-does-the-sun-produce-energy/
It would not produce the same effects of a star,especially since it's just energy,not plasma.Op how?There are plenty of times he's needed help,or just luck to get out of a bad situation.He's only OP compared to characters like Naruto.No he doesn't,you clearly didn't look at the evidence,which debunked that(video labeled "April 13,2014" in green toward the bottom under "battle").Also it wasn't a galaxy,it was some planets in a dead solar system,& that happened because of Mxy's 5D magic powder.He can destroy universes with just a punch,& Fat Buu had to be warned to be careful by Babidi,or he'd destroy Earth by exhaling too hard,& considering how strong Goku's punches on compared to Buu,who's only multi-solar system+ with his strongest blast,I wouldn't be surprised,given the gap between multi-solar system & universal(not saying he can or not,just that I wouldn't be surprised).It happened more than once actually during that fight,& Goku would just have to slam his hands together since he did it when he was weaker than he is now by clashing with Beerus who was suppressed to his level of power.That's because they couldn't control the shockwaves at first,they got stronger out as it became harder to control them(the anime showed Goku could use his ki to control the shockwaves of his attacks when he did it when he elbowed Recoome).

Supermatt6534: There really isn't evidence that Goku is stronger, not nearly as much as there is that Superman is stronger. As for the plasma thing, yes, ki does do that. Watch any beam clash, and ki pushes against the other bolt. If you're referring to the general upward trend, that's easy enough to refute, as since they can control the plasma (by directing it), they could stop such a drift.

Again, them being stated as ki attacks means nothing. There would have been little, if any, scientific studies on ki in the dragonball universe and the characters in it certainly don't know about them if there are. The sun producing nuclear energy through fusion happens because it's frikkin' plasma and it's that hot, it has that much energy. There is no theoretical limit to how much energy plasma can contain, as it is the fourth state of matter.

And the black hole thing...I'm not even going to respond to, it's ludicrous.

Okay, onto the shockwaves. For one, most of your stuff here is anime only, and I don't even remember it there. I've read the manga, and if I'm wrong oh well, but I don't remember seeing any of that. Vegeta did say that Goku could suppress his power level, raising and lowering it fast enough to not trigger the scouters, but nothing like controlling the shockwaves. Not to mention you're contradicting yourself with the Recoome thing. First you say Goku can't control the shockwaves, but then you say he could control them more than a decade prior.

Titan127 : Again,look at the evidence I provided.There is plenty of evidence that shows that Superman doesn't stand a chance.No it doesn't,where does it start to push upwards like plasma?In the video you linked,he shows that when plasma clashes,they force each other upwards,ki doesn't do that,not even during the 1st beam battle,which was before Goku showed the ability to effect the direction of his Kamehameha.How does it mean nothing when it's never refereed to as plasma,& only as energy?That is nothing more than an assumption.Gero clearly did studies,& they still called it energy.Stars need a lot of hydrogen to do nuclear fusion(as the link I gave mentioned),there is nothing to suggests they'd have that,if it were plasma,but again,it isn't.Also you seem to be ignoring the fact that Superman draws power from stars,yet supernovas can hurt most versions of him.Yet the very video you brought up mentioned that very thing,yet it's only ludicrous when I mention it?Your point?The anime is canon as Super has characters that were anime only & even use stock footage from the anime.What I was referring to was when he took out Recoome(you see the shockwaves focused on Recoome & they don't leave his body or show up outside his body),what you're referring to was when Burter & Jeice were confused that their scouters told them he only had 5,000.It's because he wasn't use to his god form.Goku even stated early in the fight that his new power was hard to control,so no,it's not a contradiction.

Supermatt6534 : Alright, you win. I'm not bored enough at the moment to continue.

Buuut I have to point out a few things.

1: You said that Goku could not control his energy waves against Recoome, but he could not do so against Beerus. This is the contradiction. I don't know that the argument you just made.

2: The ludicrous thing was that you stated that the ki attacks would be black holes.

3: You basically ignored my thing on the plasma drifting upwards.

I'm too lazy to look at all of that stuff though, so...yeah, you win. Sorry to not offer much.

Titan127 : 1) I said he could against Recoome,but not against Beerus because he wasn't used to having god ki.

2)If particles colliding hard enough can create mini black holes,they would be able to do that during collisions.

3)No I didn't,I pointed out that it didn't even do that before Goku was able to do that,which wasn't until King Piccolo.Reread my comment.

Meh,that's fine.