Once again,the big N despises any form of creativity that did not come from their addled minds. Nintendo wants to continue with milking people for whatever they can get,make bad decisions,and screw everyone over.

Some of you may know of the Zelda 2.5D remake that was available for free. The Big N issued a cease and desist order,killing that browser game. I mean,shouldn't they focus on making their systems not a laughing stock and trying to win back customers after decades of bad decisions and stupidity. I guess they are happy with milking Pokemon until dust comes from the franchise.

Please watch this to hear the story.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rryfsO72a3k&nohtml5=False

Now this is utter stupidity. I know I said that I defend Nintendo for their going after ROM distribution, but this is a completely different point.

While I actually do understand the reasoning of this, the action itself is misguided. Instead of cease and desist, why not try to contact this team and maybe work together towards something large-scale? These sorts of creations are made thanks to the love that these people have for the series and company as a whole; they'd most likely bite on the opportunity to work with the big N to bolster this idea into something full.

It's no surprise that Nintendo's PR and damage control is complete garbage. This isn't the first case, and certainly won't be the last one. I might be a complete Nintendo nut, but I'm also not an idiot. I won't defend the obviously wrong.

That sucks!
I didn't get to try it.

Aw, this sucks. I thought this project was really cool. Although to be fair, it is kind of  Nintendo's right to take down things like this. It makes me wonder if this is something Nintendo was secretly working on.

It seems Nintendo is losing their mind nowadays. They are totally out of touch with their fanbase, and hound down non-profit fan creations like these. Things that required more effort than a few choice games that they released lately. I mean, Legend of Zelda IS on both Eshop platforms, so I can see why they wouldn't want a free version out there.

One word: Money. They want to pretend their older titles are not out there somewhere else to be played for free. They want their suckers,I mean customers to pay and download it on their joke consoles. It may be their right to do so,but they could have asked them to work on it for their consoles,a la Mega Man X Street Fighter.

I think their minds have been gone since the 32 bit era with their Virtual Boy. Then when they pulled out of their partnership with Sony,which Sony made the Playstation and threw it in Nintendo's face. Then they tried to enter with the Phillips CD-i,(we all know how that went). They stuck with cartridges longer than any major player,they refused to get with the times,they gambled on experimental formats,like their mini discs for the GameCube and they lost big. The only things keeping them afloat is Pokemon,the DS,and Mario Maker. Their last two consoles where seen as mostly jokes with a gimmick. If the NX cannot save them,that might be Nintendo's swan song.

Fun Fact: Nintendo was originally a playing card manufacturer. They made hanafuda cards. The entry into the video game arena was a way to save their company.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanafuda

Oldschool777 : This is probably unrelated to what you were saying, but if I remember correctly, Nintendo asked Kisareth Studios to destroy everything related to FFMQ Remastered, which I believed wasn't a bad thing, because I saw demos of this game and it looked almost laughable and Kisareth Studios also said what I believed was that this game was a scam by someone to get money. The thing is, if it threatens Nintendo in some way, they are going to do anything to get rid of it.

Oldschool777 : Okay, I'm going to have to disagree with you on a couple of points here, although I'm mostly with agreement with the main message.

1. Just because the games are out there in the forms of ROMs and other variations, doesn't mean that the people are suckers for actually buying the original games. ROMs are illegal if they are not dumps of your own version of the game, plain and simple. So of course they are going to assume the lawful options and not really pay mind to the illegal ones when thinking about their profit (although they will rightfully try to go after ROM distribution sites when they can, as we've already witnessed). I, myself, pay for things on a "deserving" sort of basis. If the game is actually entertaining and I actually enjoy it, I'll pay for it happily. If not, I don't. That's how I operate, and how I've only gotten a small number of games I ever bought that I was disappointed in. If other people are idiots with spending, not my problem.

2. Cartridges still had a solid advantage over discs when Nintendo was still using them for their consoles, so that's not really a major point with being behind the times. If they had stuck with cartridges for the Gamecube, then that would be a different story. Cartridges at the time still benefited from significantly faster load times and other minor advantages, so it still made sense to an extent. Were discs better as a whole? Probably. But the cartridge still had some pros.

3. Their last two consoles? You mean their Nintendo Wii as well, one of their best selling consoles ever and the fifth best selling console of all time (including handhelds; behind the PS2, DS, GB/GBC, and PS1)? I find that very difficult to believe, quite frankly. Even if it was a gimmick, there were plenty of games on the system that didn't require it and were still stellar games. In general, though, their consoles have almost ALWAYS been behind when it comes to the latest tech. That's how Nintendo has worked for about four generations now, and people who love Nintendo know that aspect quite well. The Wii U, on the other hand, is a fantastic console that had some of the worst marketing ever for a console. Speaking of the Wii U for a quick second, I remember reading up on the fact that Unreal refused to create a version of their newest engine for the system, and before you say that the Wii U probably couldn't handle it, there's a version of the very same engine that functions on iPhones, and I'm pretty sure that a Wii U is more powerful than an iPhone. I'm not going to point fingers, because quite frankly I don't know whose fault it really is, but it was definitely another huge strike for the system.

4. Nintendo's going to stay afloat for longer than one might think. One or two quarterly losses does not spell the end of a company. However, I will turn around and say that it is true that they'd be put in a horrible spot. Not necessarily biting the dust, but they might slowly fall off into dangerous territory, even to the point of not contending as a large-scale video game and console manufacturer, and that would be insanely dangerous for the gaming market as a whole. The three big wigs currently have a really nice power vacuum going on, and if one of those three (I don't care who it is) backs down from the market, it could spell trouble for it as a whole, not just the one company.

Again, I ultimately agree with what you're saying, and even mentioned the alternate option on instead working together with those individual developers in my first reply. But these were just a few clear hyperboles or just pieces of misinformation that I wanted to kind of clear up with my knowledge of things, at least. Sorry for this essay of a reply.

Oldschool777 : Why would they do that? Its like how they removed a ton of games from this site. They need to think about how that anything free doesn't mean bad! The games on this site you can't directly buy from Nintendo. Plus if it was free, Why would they even want to?

I am going to reply one by one here so forgive me if I mess up.

Lord Galdan: It is in a way,but that was a case of a game publisher using their authority for a good thing if the game is going to suck.

Mega Man 10: Simple,they want force people to download it from their consoles and pay for the privilege of playing.

SWTerra : I will address each point separately.

1. I never said anything about buying the original games. I know ROMs are a legal gray area,but we will not get into that. If people want to pay to download a game that is fine,I do that myself at times. The reason I phrased it the way I did is that Nintendo thinks their fans as a whole are idiots.

2. Ahh,the great cartridge vs disc debate. I agree that carts were far faster but could not hold nearly enough for games that were coming out in that era. Nintendo's adherence to carts and experimental GC discs did them no favors in that era. I also agree that carts were far more durable and could take some serious abuse unlike a disc.

3. The Wii was an interesting concept but was ultimately flawed. It used technology that was tried decades ago with the Power Glove. That thing was a disaster. The sensor bar had to be perfectly aligned and even then your movement may not register. The Wii was for casual or kid gamers,not diverse gamers. The Wii U,I agree with you,it was a great idea,but unless you had baseball mitts for hands,you were not going to be comfy holding that giant tablet/controller. I also heard it was limited in scope,I think they just wanted to rush out another console and it will suffer from the VB syndrome,a rushed product at a bad time with limited capabilities.

4. Nintendo may stay alive for a few more years or longer,but their glory days are behind them and they refuse to get with the times and change their policies. But they still stick to what worked for them and they market to kids,means they will lose more and more ground until they are like Sega,they are no longer in the console game,but they are still alive,a shell of its former glory.

 

Wow that sucks, I saw the game a couple of times and thought that it was really cool. I could imagine Nintendo not only shutting it down, but then also taking it for themselves.

Truth be told I didn't even know about this project until I saw AlphaOmegaSin's video a few days ago. From what I have seen the game looked pretty good. It's a shame Nintendo did what they did, but of course they have to protect their properties especially those that can easily be bought on current Gen consoles.

What would have been nice is if Nintendo worked with the group working on the project. The people are obviously creative and talented and It's really bothersome when creativity is stifled in this way.

Nintendo does not like anyone being creative except for them. It is just another mark on Nintendo's record.

The reason they likely didn't want it out there is because they're selling the original version on the eshop and even if this game changes the perspective, content wise it's stillt he same. In the end Nintendo is a business so they're going to do whatever they think is better for their profits just like pretty much every other major game company out there. The same reason they made Vizzed take down the RGR games most likely since they're selling more and more of them digitally and people may come play those games here in stead of buying them. It's their right and I don't really agree with calling them dirt bags for it (doesn't mean I like the company however) since they could've probably sued Vizzed if they wanted to.  Sure they could've had them work with them, but why should they do have to do that with every single fan project people find interesting? I don't really see how they were in the wrong honestly.

Unluckily for them however, they've been out of touch with their fanbase for some time now and it shows. Nintendo is a sinking ship, and it wouldn't suprise me if the NX turns out to be an even bigger flop than the Wii U.

Zlinqx has said it perfectly. I honestly parted ways with Nintendo several years ago, even turning my back to some Wii games that seemed interesting, and everything because I switched to PS3 to match my friends and to play games that better suited my style, but I still respect them for what they've done to Vizzed. Out of all the possible outcomes, they simply sent a formal letter to David asking politely to remove those games, and we must be very thankful for that instead of insulting them.

To the point, Nintendo has been clearly out of orbit since the Gamecube. The N64 still had some great games, in my opinion surpassing PSX games, but its greatest downfall was that not even two years after its release, Sega made a step forward with the Dreamcast. A cartridge 64 bit console against a disc 128 bit console wasn't a war they could win, even the PSX had trouble battling head to head with the Dreamcast thanks to the capabilities of its discs.

In my opinion, Nintendo must detach itself from the past and move on. They just cannot put more emphasis in the old games rather than the new ones, specially when they are trailing back from behind the shadows of the PS4 and the XBox One. They keep ignoring the future, when they must anticipate it. Atari's last bet, the Jaguar, was made in advance for the future, even if it failed; and what about the Dreamcast and its online mode still in the 20th century. They would do better dedicating their time into a good future console instead of doing rare experiments or pursuing anyone "stealing" their games, they have a lot more to gain with the former.

I do think the NX will have to be something incredible so Nintendo stays as a console maker, at least making home consoles, because they have been unmatched in terms of handhelds since ever. It would be incredibly sad to see Nintendo go away from the home console market, but at the same time expected since decades ago.

I personally hate when companies do this.Even if they can't see that people, putting their time and sometimes even money towards re making one of their games, only better, means that there are people out there who care about it and would probably jump at the chance to officially work on it themselves.They could at least try to live up to the regard that people give them.

They can say that it's "bad for business".They can force the creators to take it down, if they really must be so awful.But, they could at least try to step up their game.But, no.It's the same old: "We're taking down this free fan made improvement of the original game so we can sell you the original game with no changes whatsoever over and over again for every nintendo console you own on the E-Shop".

I mean, if their going to cancel these great projects, they could at least try to do something like that themselves.I don't mean shamelessly copy the same thing, but if a couple of fans with a little spare time and determination can crank out something like this, surely it must be a breeze for Nintendo to do it.

I mean, how many times have people asked for a fully 3D HD Pokemon game?Heck, doing that alone would make thousands of peoples dreams come true.But, no.It's just the same old things or slight variations of it.

That's why, despite their own glaring flaws, I like Sega better as a company.The almost never shut down fan projects and by this point I think fan games are pretty much the only thing keeping Sonic alive.

But, still, shame on you Nintendo.If your going to shut down these great games, at least give us a reason to keep paying you.

 

I understand why they did it I still find it said I mean these people were working on this how long? For Nintendo to be like nope. Personally I never played it wish I would of now. It looked like it was a lot of fun.

It may seem wrong, and it may seem like a stupid thing to do, but stuff like this really isn't all that uncommon. Hey, did you know that there was a fantastic Streets of Rage fangame with a massive amount of new content that would've been one of the best things ever if it were fully finished? Well, Sega sent them a cease-and-desist, and demanded that they remove all traces of their game from the internet as far as they were able. Thankfully, you can still pick up the game on some torrent websites, but that's not the point.

This kind of thing is decently common, but this is one of the few fangames that managed to get a decent amount of attention before getting C&D'd. They're only concerned about keeping people satisfied and selling them games, and nothing else. You'd think that they would consider hiring people with the skill and determination to put these kinds of projects together for zero monetary gain, but you have to remember that these are companies we're talking about. If customer satisfaction wasn't something they had to worry about, they would sell you buggy, barely-working electronics for at least several times the price of their current products.

Spidey243 : I thought you might want to see this. Sega HAS taken down fangames before, but their actions apparently slipped under the radar for most people. Here's an article from a somewhat-reputable source about them taking down the Streets of Rage remake.

Perhaps if a copyright disclaimer screen was created.... Anyways, I feel bad for the poor guys. Nintendo attacked us once this year, why again?! Power to the people and rights to our free expression.

NovemberJoy : Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that.But, not that I'm defending them or anything, but that was one of the few times they ever did that.
Plus, I've already downloaded it.

Gotta say, I don't blame them for their actions with all of the ROM and fan made game Cease And Desist orders. Still I do disagree with their mindset: they like to attack their own fans (referring to the YT stuff). Demanding part of your revenue from videos because the game you're playing is made by them is like Spalding sueing you for holding a neighborhood ball game using their product. In fact it's worse because the videos are free publicity.

SWTerra : I actually feel that the Wii was a mistake. It sold because it was a new fad (as evidenced by the fact that the average Wii owner only bought one game, and the best-selling game was the one bundled in with early models). The mistake was that it gave Nintendo the wrong idea and thus the Wii U was born which cost them dearly in more ways than monetary losses.

Also cartridges were what caused the N64 to get trounced by the PlayStation: too restricting. For exmaple FF7, one of the most popular games ever, was originally planned for N64, but it was far too massive to fit on a cartridge. Also that's why PSX had thousands of games but N64 had only a few hundred. N64 was a great system though.



But back to the topic at hand: I completely agree that Nintendo is doing bad business and has been for years. Also I agree that they're just about done for, but I don't agree that they're bad for shutting this thing down.