Apologies for my lateness. I'm going to just change the update time to "After Five" because I usually get on about this time on Mondays. Not sure how I thought I could update by eight.

Overall Standings
1.
ThanatosUnraveld - 81
2.
Eirinn - 33
3.
Kruzer - 10
4.
TristanTehGamer1 - 6
5.
legacyme3 - 5

Rules update
Given the lopsidedness of the contest so far, I'm thinking some rule adjustments are in order. I'll contact all affected by these updates later tonight. If you are not contacted about it via PM, then you have nothing to worry about with the updates.

Also, I'll just be updating the standings with each post, instead of editing the opening post. It's simpler and makes more sense.

Eirinn : -rubs my neck- ok maybe I tried too hard this month but hey oh well!

Hopeully this won't be considered spammy.. But it's a shame something like this doesn't exist for the XBOX as well... I would actually compete but i gave my ps3 to my siblings... so yeah.... 


This is a great idea though so kudos to you!

sonicmcmuffin : i did see a contest for xbox somewhere on the board

My update:

Didn't do nearly as well as I thought this week. I only managed to net Nine trophies --all Bronze.

Results- Nine Bronze (Judgment Day. Fear of Success. Touch of Death. Death of Innocents. The Cult. Be Not Afraid. - Batman: Arkham Knight; True Hero. Space Suits You, Sir. The Big Grapple. - Lego Batman 3: Beyond Gotham)

That gives me a total of nine points.
Remember everyone, Sunday is results day. Five PM tomorrow (by Vizzed's clock) is the deadline. Any trophies not claimed by then are forfeited. Hurry up and post yours!

Man, you earned trophies for a total of nine games, while my whole collection isn't much bigger than that

Well, I guess I must take on any chances I have to participate. I'll have one of my guides finished the 25th (my parents spend the weekend away, so I can play non-stop without anyone telling me otherwise and also on my main TV), so if I can finish the other one before that date, or probably in the 2 days that follow, I can enter the competition in October.

If no one posts any results, I may have a chance to blast through this competition in two weeks time. I guess this should be enough motivation to stop slacking off and get to work.

So I'm late but.................... hers my total: I got a total of 11 trophies and they are Bronze: 9 (from Bound by flame and FF13) Silver: 2 Gold 0 with an over all total of 68 trophies 

Since the last update i earned:
1 Gold
6 Silver
44 Bronze
Got these from Bioshock Infinite and Cod Ghosts
I'll post my card just for confirmation xP and if my math is wrong lmao

Image upload: 405x120 totaling 26 KB's.

Here is my total trophy count since last week:

Five Games ( The Last of Us: Remastered, Need For Speed: Rivals, Assassin's Creed: Unity, Grow Home, and Limbo )
2 Gold
4 Silver
21 Bronze
( 43 points )

Combined with the total from last week, this gives me a grand total of 53 points.

Alright, time for the weekly results, and overall results as of today.

Most Bronze
#1. ThanatosUnraveld - 54

#2. TristanTehGamer1 - 50

#3. Kruzer - 25

Most Silver
#1. ThanatosUnraveld - 14

#2. Kruzer - 6

#3. TristanTehGamer1 - 6

Most Gold
#1. Eirinn - 2

#2. Kruzer - 2

#3. TristanTehGamer1 - 1

Most Platinum
#1. Eirinn - 1

Most Trophy Points
#1. ThanatosUnraveld - 96

#2. TristanTehGamer1 - 73

#3. Kruzer - 53

#4 Eirinn - 42

#5 legacyme3 - 5

#6 MattyIce - 1




Kruzer :
MattyIce :
TristanTehGamer1 :
ThanatosUnraveld :
legacyme3 :
EX Palen :
mvivas2010 :

Since all of you are either competing or considering competing, I would like to run some potential rule changes by you, and see how everyone feels about it. I'm shooting for a proper balance here. You may have noticed some big changes in weekly totals this week, that was in part due to rebalancing from last week, which obviously didn't work out. lol Anyway, on to the proposals.

•Second accounts.
Should a user be allowed to use a secondary account? If so, what (if any) limitations should apply? Obviously they shouldn't be allowed to earn the same trophy on two different accounts.

I'm leaning toward a yes, but perhaps limiting the number of games that may be used each month for the trophies.

-The pro to this is that it would allow anyone who couldn't afford many new games to stay active in the competition.

-The con is that it allows them to gain many trophies in a short amount of time which would be impossible for those sticking to their main account.


•Trophy values.
This is something that's bothered me from the start. I was torn on this while making the first post actually, which is why it was posted so late in the day.

Are trophy values currently reflecting their difficulty with Silver being three times more than bronze, gold being five times five times more than bronze, and platinum being ten times more? Here are possible alternatives, though I'll accept suggestions obviously.

Scale 1
Bronze - 1
Silver - 5
Gold - 10
Platinum - 25
This was the original scale, but I feared the platinum was too high and the gap between gold and bronze was too great. however, looking at the total bronze and total gold earned by all of us combined, I'm thinking gold will be much more than ten times more difficult to earn, and should be treated accordingly.

Scale 2
Bronze - 1
Silver - 5
Gold - 12
Platinum - 40

Scale 3
Bronze - 1
Silver - 5
Gold - 10
Platinum - 25

Scale 4
Bronze - 1
Silver - 4
Gold - 12
Platinum - 30


•Game limit.
Should there be a point deduction for each game after the first used to earn trophies? For example, if three games were used, 5% would be removed from your overall value for two of the games.

This would again be a way of keeping it balanced between those who can afford a lot of games and those who couldn't. This is one that would hit me hard as I will be stocking up on games over the next few weeks.

-The Pro is that it's more balanced.

-The Con is that It's penalizing those who can afford to buy new games, and limiting them to only playing certain games. I don't feel right restricting them and telling they shouldn't play a game they paid for.


•Handling rule updates.
Should we leave standings as they are after rule and scoring updates, or should they be updated to reflect the changes made after the scores were tallied?


That's all for now. Again, if you want to be summoned (replied to) when I post point updates, let me know. I only summoned this time because of rule discussions.

On the subject of second accounts, I'd say no, simply because I don't see the use. Why would you need a secondary account in the first place? I'm not rich by any means (in fact, I am below even middle class, and in the poverty line) but I still have enough to play, even if you added a secondary account, the user is still most likely constricted to their own financial means... thus, it would be difficult to "add" games then.

The only thing I can see this as is a total reboot of that user's numbers, so they can start at 0 and re-earn trophies they've already earned, thus having a game they can earn trophies in, but in that case, I think the user would have the unfair advantage of already knowing how to earn said trophies. It would just skew the numbers.

The long and the short of it is I'm not seeing any benefit in the first place, only drawbacks and more questions. Explain to me why and how this helps anyone?

As for a scale system, all I can say on the matter is this... the difference between a bronze, silver, and gold, really isn't all that much. I've earned many bronze trophies that were harder to get than silvers. And harder than some golds in the same trophy set.

I'm of the opinion that bronze, silver, and gold, each should be worth a very minute amount of points (for example, 1, 2, and 4) whereas more points are awarded for a platinum, as it is a "full set" and the ultimate challenge in a game.

So for your purposes, a mix of scale 1 and scale 4 is the closest to what I'd call fair, but I don't believe a gold should be worth 12 times that of a bronze (or 10 times, even).

As for Game Total, no, it adds too many variables that take away from the experience. Let everyone play as many games as they want, with no penalties, bonuses, or any of that crap. This should just be for fun, to showcase how much we're all playing, not to compete at a high level for bragging rights.

And the standings should be updated to reflect whatever the "league" as it were agrees upon.

EDIT - maybe, if I can be bothered, to make it fair for those who have earned trophies in the past, I can make an "overall" trophy leaders ranking board of some kind, that will count trophies earned, even outside of this month's competition. But time+effort.

Secondary accounts? Nah, don't see the point of it. The same user could be placing twice in the standings, and people who don't have many games have no use for this, nor is it levelling the competition either.

If a user cannot afford many games, at least they can obtain multiplayer trophies by playing with another competitor. This benefits both parties, or at least it should. I've earned trophies when a friend of mine came over to play a game of his, and with the PS4 ability to join games you don't own, multiplayer trophies could even be earned by playing within ourselves, with the owner still capable of obtaining all single player trophies and thus having an edge.

Scale system? As leggy said, some bronze trophies can be harder to obtain, simply because they drift away from the main storyline. Completing the game itself can award you gold trophies, but some bronze and silver are out of the way to the top, so you must replay some scenes/stages/whatever under specific circumstances and all to earn a trophy. Only platinum are clearly above the rest, as they can only be obtained after obtaining every single trophy.

Probably we could use the rarity scale used in psnprofiles.com, as I've seen some bronze trophies being more rare to obtain than some silver or even gold. However, this can also mean not many people play that game, or do even care to aim for specific trophies.

Game total? Nah, it's practically killing the point of the competition. Players must be allowed to earn as many trophies as they can. I'm one who doesn't own many games, and probably couldn't afford them either if I wanted to, and I think no one should be penalized. 

Handling? Well, if rules change, we follow the newest changes. It has happened in the TdV, for example. If we all agree in making some changes, then the stats are as they are, only that the next update will see those changes being applied.

That's all I have to say about the matter. 

I agree with legacy on the secondary accounts and game totals. Secondary accounts ( for me ) only served a purpose to try and get a platinum for every game I've ever played which is pretty tough. Although, if someone wanted to create a new account just for this competition I don't really see the problem as long as they only get to use one account. As for game totals, there is just too much to consider when figuring that out and it would be best to just ignore that completely.

The scale system should be somewhere between 1 and 4 ( like legacy said ) but I do think that the Gold trophies should be fairly higher than that of Silver and Bronze. Remember, some of the games that don't offer a Platinum sometimes offer a Gold instead which is awarded once all of the other trophies are completed. Granted, there are some Gold trophies out there that should be Silver ( or even Bronze ) but that is up to the developers.

In addition, instead of worrying about the game limit to keep the balance, maybe you could substitute an overall Rarity rating for the trophies received. Though I don't think this will make a huge impact, it could still help out some of the users who can't afford many games.

So, I'm going to do what I'd said I'd do.

This is an alternate standings list (one that does not follow the rules done by Eirinn).

Here is how it works, I just go to PSNProfiles, and update all of your profiles on the site (it's easy, go to the home page, type in your PSN username, and submit to the captcha thing) and then rank you based on their points system (as seen in the bottom corner of your trophy card). Obviously, this is only accurate if you've recently synced your trophies with PSN.

There's no method to my madness, I just wanted everyone to know where they stand lifetime. This has 0 bearing on the actual competition, and I might frequently update as a side competition (or Eirrin can take over if he wishes), but I figured this would be a fun way to introduce everyone to how much everyone else plays in one neat little post.

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legacyme3/legacyme3 - 52,410 Points


Kruzer/SuicideREX - 51,645 Points


TristanTehGamer1/TristanTehGamer1 - 32,850 Points


ThanatosUnraveld/dove2016 - 19,710 Points


EX Palen/Garsiz - 6,105 Points


MattyIce/Weesumm - 6,000 Points


mvivas2010/enderkill9 - 4,290 Points


Eirinn/Eirinn87 - 0 Points


I'll summon everyone who I listed (not sure if I missed someone... also, why dos Eirinn's account have 0 trophies?)

Kruzer :
TristanTehGamer1 :
ThanatosUnraveld :
EX Palen :
MattyIce :
mvivas2010 :
Eirinn :

If you guys think this is cool, I can make sporadic updates on this, in case your goal isn't monthly superiority. (No prizes for this one though)

legacyme3 : It's not that bad idea. Kruzer has less than 1000 points compared to you while owning half total games. Your standings really balance the fact that some people doesn't have access to many games.

I think this is something to be considered. Instead of each of us posting here, keeping our PSN profiles updated could do the work.

EX Palen :

Yeah, I think as long as everyone updates their PSNProfiles a couple times a month, we can see how things go. If it's too much work for Eirinn, I can check up on the trophy log and just post how many trophies everyone earned over the course of a month (thanks to PSNProfiles, you can do that.

And yeah, Kruzer's got a wicked high completion percentage... I'm only saved by my sheer library size (thanks used games!) and trophy count (I have 2,307 trophies, which is the highest by about 500). My completion percentage isn't low mind you (I'm at 43.4%, which is third, behind Kruzer and MattyIce) but Kruzer's is just crazy.

Some people can seemingly just play anything haha.

legacyme3 : I don't have any internet connection (I browse Vizzed from my phone) so I can't sync my trophies. Instead I took a picture of my trophy count at the start of the competition in case anyone wanted proof. I'll definitely sync once (if ever) I get a connection.

As for psnprofiles, it would actually make things much easier if I had a trophy log for everyone. That saves me checking individual profiles etc. However, I was unsuccessful in pulling up anyone's trophy log with my phone. If one of you can do that and post the direct link to the log itself as you and Kruzer did previously, and put them all in a single post, that would be great. Alternatively I could try pulling up everyone's card every week (if that works from my phone) or have everyone post their updated card every week, assuming the cards posted here don't auto update. Do they?

Also, please see the first thing I say to Kruzer as well.


Kruzer : So I'm seeing that between you, leggy, and Ex Palen, we're leaning toward something like
Bronze - 1
Silver - 3
Gold - 5
Platinum - 30

Sound good? I know leggy suggested dropping Silver and Gold by one point, but you and Ex Palen suggested that some were more difficult. I will say that in regards to leggy's suggestion, Arkham Knight has almost exclusively Bronze trophies, even for the more insane challenges. Many of them should have been Gold for the challenge factor alone, but then not all games are that way either. I feel Knack had a good difficulty to trophy rank balance for example.

As for secondary accounts, yes, that idea is about people using an account solely for this contest. My only issue with it is that I do know earning a trophy that was earned previously on a different account is considerably easier.

I agree on the game limit issue. Besides, this is for fun, not some high stakes $10,000 prize. lol You might win $20-$50 if you place first. Big whoop. xD

Also how do you feel about standings? Currently one has said that rule and scoring updates should be reflected in previous standings, while one has said that they should remain the same and only points made after rule and scoring updates should be affected.


EX Palen : Thank you for pointing that out about the PS4. I was actually unaware that you could earn trophies that way. That does handle much of the balancing issues for us. Plus it keeps me from losing points from playing my games. xD I don't have many right now (five, and only three that I can currently earn trophies from), but I will soon be buying up several through Amazon.

Eirinn :

I'll actually do the trophy log list for everyone right now. It'll take a minute, because I'm going to edit it into the post, but I'll hit everyone I mentioned in my PSNProfile rankings.

On the other topics, I think we can roll with the scale you just proposed for a month. As this is our first time trying something like this, we will be endlessly tweaking the formula until it is just right for our purposes, and at present, I have no complaints about the system you propose.

As for the second accounts, I'm still going to have to go with a no. It just makes zero sense to me. If it's just for the competition, there's nothing stopping me from starting over myself with a new account (I actually have an alt account with 0 trophies, and as you can tell from my games played, I have a lot of games with which I could get easy trophies, and dominate the leaderboard... I'm choosing not to do that out of integrity).

I think this should stay just for fun, and adding second accounts seems to value the competition over the fun of actually getting trophies.

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To come in this space, trophy logs.

EDIT - TROPHY LOGS

legacyme3's log
Kruzer/SuicideREX's log
TristanTehGamer1's log
ThantosUnraveld/dove2016's log
EX Palen/Garsiz's log
MattyIce/Weesumm's log
mvivas2010/enderkill9's log
Eirinn/Eirinn87's log

legacyme3 : lol yeah, I used to have a lot of time on my hands but not so much nowadays, but I did enjoy each game that I played even though they may seem abstract to one another. Some of those games I still play today ( even though I've already got the Platinum ) just because they're fun to play.

That scale is fine with me. Pretty much what legacy said, we try it out until the shoe fits.

As for the standings, it would depend on if this were an "official" competition. I remember you saying at the beginning of this thread that it's "unofficial" so would that mean that there are no prizes yet? If that's true, then I'd say that we could reflect the changes as of now ( unofficially ) but then it would all start over once it's "official" right?

And I'm still on the negative side with secondaries as well. Yeah, I could make a new account too and binge the trophies I've already gotten on other accounts, but then again I probably won't do that anyway because I just finished "retiring" an account for that very same reason. However, that's not to say that it'll stop anyone else ( like legacy ).

Yes, the PSN profiles should auto-update assuming that everyone syncs their trophies online on the PS4. I've always kept a copy of my card on the Bio section of my profile here on Vizzed as a convenience. If everyone did that, then all you'd have to do is look at their profile and viola! But I suppose keeping a log of everyone's profile in one spot would be even more convenient.

Kruzer : No, the "unofficial" part is just me letting it be known that this isn't sponsored by Vizzed. Basically it means "this is just a competition among random members". So yes, if the standings are updated they will affect the winner of the monthly and quarterly competition and prizes.