What is the true religion? The religion that can be proven by sense and science. Please do not ignore.

I came to do my taks, spread Islam.

I am a Muslim. Peace.

Science

Quran has no errors. All errors i saw at wikiislam were studied false.

Proof:

1) The Quran states that sperm is existant and describes it. Google for proof.

2) The quran states that the planets move. Google for proof.

3) The quran states that testicles are the sperm's source. Google for proof.

Not enough? Google more.

Muslims are peace.

Islam is not terror. We always encounter terrorists.
Who burned Jews? Not muslims.
Who stole oil? Not muslims.

Muslims were told to protect Churches and other non-muslim prayers.

Why christianity is not true.

1) Jesus is not god's son. If he were, why'd he leave him as a sacrify?

2) Priest? No hair cuts? No hair cleaning? That's harsh!

Google more. There are errors in other books too.

Islamic errors explained

This is too mach to explain! Just read error lists and google them up. They're mostly translation errors, Arabic is a really hard lanaguge!

Islam can't be modified

Yes you heard it. The quran. Muslim or not, we all know it can not be modified. 

Mosques

Have you been there? They tolerate non-muslims by the way.  Just go there. All people, religioned or not, are tolerated. Also, in mecca, Muslims wear a specific cloth sheet so noone gets the other's atetntin.

Your choice, but you can google!
Take a small read on the quran or google it, it's true! Islam is the true religion.

Peace everyone. I'm used to google...


Have you converted! Comment!

I believe Jesus Christ is God's son because he performed many miracles during his time on Earth, such as turning water into wine and walking on water. He also allowed Peter to walk on water before he lost faith and began to sink.

John 3:16 explains why Jesus was sacrificed despite him being the Son of God:

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life."

He was sacrificed so that we wouldn't be slaves to our sin, but we could repent and follow in the perfect example that Jesus left for us. Jesus was the only perfect person that ever lived. Everyone else was born into sin, and it is only because of him that we can be saved from our sin.

Edit: NintendoFanKimmy's post reminded me to say this. I'm not trying to make you convert to Christianity or prove to you that it's real, I was answering a question you had so it makes more sense to you.

Hi there, Bafara! I'm a Muslim, too !

But questions like "What is the true religion?" are the key to, well... definitely not peace ! No one is going to agree on one, so let's accept that we all have our own "true" religions that we believe in .

Yes, I know it's okay to debate and speculate and whatnot, but let's try to be polite so people don't think they're being invalidated or thought of as "stupid" xP. 

I like to say I believe a religion is true, rather than it is true, because, well... if we were 100% sure about any one of them, then why would there be need for speculation? I just kind of feel like a douche when I tell people that what I believe in is true . That's not to say I think so for people who do say it, but I just don't feel comfortable saying it myself.

People get pissed off when atheists say there is no God, so why don't they when religious people say there is a God?

Anyway, that's all I'm going to say for now . I know most Muslims are good; I live in a country full of them, but I've given up on trying to convince people of that. It's their problem, and their loss .

Peace, Bafara ! Alaykum al salaam !

NintendoFanKimmy :

You and green are two of the nicest Muslims I have met. You two have always been nice to me. 
Blessings in Christ

The Israeli thing is a bad one. The Bible shouldn't get the Israelis to rise back. Israelis are Jews. And Jews did their job, but weren't supposed to do so. Palestine ultimately deserve their rights. Also, the Jews later became Muslims. I don't remember any Islam prophet was in Palestine, but I do somewhat. Weird to understand.

Jesus can't be god. In most variations, Gods never die. Unless it's fictional like Poseidon, Medusa and Zues. A sacrify unforced is seeucide. 

We Muslims do believe in Jesus. We believe in him that he had the entirely almost the same story as Christianity, just that it ends that Jesus is the only alive prophet in modern day.

Scientists also found out that Sperm exists. That Testicles are a body part that is located in the Penis, exactly the mentioned location. And that the Planets move in Yusuf/Youssef (Joseph)'s dream. We also believe that Christianity and Jews did exist. Oh, and I remember reading Moses' bible story, it was the same as the Quran one. And Islam is proven to have existed in the 500AC (After Christ Era).

Muslims talk about Adam and Eve IN THE EXACT STORY.

And in 1968, Jordan took revenge and did defeat Israel. They took no territory though. Israel will sink soon, the Bible did so because Jews originate in Israel similar to how Muslims are in Saudi Arabia and Christians in Jordan.

We do believe in Abraham. 

The fact that Jesus can't be found confirms Islam too. God rose him. God also stated he will die in the End of the World, a life death (age.)

The reason why Israel won is because of European supplies. Europe is Christian.

Revelation got proven false in 1942 when Hitler wanted to dominate the world but failed.

Just a fact, Islam states that Christianity and Judaism are real religions that did exist but got their books modified. Now the reason why Islam doesn't have a successor is because it's book cannot be modified.

My turn now.

What is the fastest growing religion? Islam. And in 2050, Islamic and Christianity amounts are going to be equal (Scienctific measure)

Most events of the bible are true. Islam just seems that it is true. 

Islam also proves Darwinism false, but not quite the Big Bang.

Quran states that the earth is an egg. 

Also, the Quran is true and take a small read, it is true. Islam does not deny Judaism and Christianity. It just states that they are not true in some ways, and Muslims should not use the Bible or Torat because it's not true.

Quran also includes wisdom, and some use it for curing from diseases. And the Quran also has many uses. 

The Quran never stated that we must kill Non-believers. The Aya'a is mistranslated. Arabic is a hard language.

Islam is true. Peace.



Please look at this:

http://www.islam-guide.com/bqs/20human.htm
http://www.islam-guide.com/bqs/17astronomy.htm

And see what we believe in that resembles you:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_and_Quranic_narratives#Destruction_of_Korah_.28Qarun.29

Also, it is fine for muslims to state that Jesus and Isa are the same person, or that Mary and Miriam are the same, or that Moses and Musa are the same. It's just that Christianity is Greek or Roman (forgot) and Judaism is Egyptian (although Modern egypt is Muslim)

Remember,

We believe that Islam isn't the first, but the last. And the Christianity and Judaism were true, but some stuff in the Bible is false, because it was modified (which caused the beginning of islam)

And that Israel will fall because it's a hated country.

And that we believe in 70% your messengers.

And that Bible/Torah are modfied.

Salam.

Bafara : Ok......I'm not even sure if there is anything here that is worth me responding. It's just a rambling of information about Islam without an organized set up as to why Islam is true. Many things that you posted about Christianity are not even correct (not even the basics of it are correct, like what it means that Jesus is the Son of God, about Revelation, about how the Bible is "modified" All of it really has been false information) It also makes me wonder whether you actually thought this through instead of blindly believing in what someone says without thinking things through, with you continually telling people to "google it" without explaining it yourself. Is there anything here that you want to pose and more persuasively say that Islam is true? If not, then this thread is not worth opening.

I don't think anyone's going to gain many converts by flatly criticizing every aspect of their religion while ignoring any flaws in their own. And none are perfect. Sorry. I don't think anti-semitism is very cool either. I do believe in a creator. Science proves that. An objective observer should agree. So I don't need any holy book to prove that God exists. I gravitate towards Christianity because I was raised in it and evidence supports it plus it feels a lot more right to me than a struggle for world domination must. What is it they chant in Iran?

Ferdinand: Where was the antisemitism? I'd appreciate it if you pointed it out for me . Thanks!

Also, please tell me you're kidding. Please. You're kidding, right? You didn't just bring up the Iran thing, did you?

I'm sorry, but I'm sick of seeing "What do they chant in Iran?" all the time as if the people in Iran who chant "Death to America" represent every single follower of Islam. 

Every single time I see people either stating or implying that Islam is evil, I feel like crying. Are you suggesting that I am evil? What about the rest of my friends? Who are all children just like me? Are they evil, too? What about my parents?

It makes me sad to see that the cruel double-standard for Islam doesn't appear to be disappearing. When Saudi Arabians do something crazy, it's "those crazy Muslims!"

When America does something crazy, it's "those crazy Americans!"

EDIT: Sorry if I sounded angry yesterday. I had to go to bed, so I couldn't finish my post, but there's nothing I really wanted to say besides you saying "What do they chant in Iran?" to me is about as ridiculous as me saying "Churches used to burn atheists alive" to you.

Let's get along, okay ?

Anyway, I'm not mad anymore. 

Peace and love!

EDIT #2: I'm aware of the summon fail and have told him about it in a profile comment xP.

Me stating this is probably going to incite controversy in itself but purely scientifically, it seems unprobable that any one religion is true. God's existance though has not been proven or disproven and we'll probably never be able to either. It really is a matter of faith, scientifically there isn't really more proof for either of these or any other religion. I've yet to see any reliable evidence for any one religion and I find a lot of things both in the bible and quran questionable.

There really is not more proof for islam or christianity or any other religion for that matter, people like you seem to forget or not be aware of how similar the two religions really are. That said there is a lot of islamophobia in the western world, if a supposed muslim does something people are always quick to tie it to the religion, meanwhile when it regards a supposed christian, the religion has nothing to do with it. A big part of why it is like this is people's lack of knowledge as well how the way media makes muslims come of as.

Myself I am an atheist, none of the religions out there make sense to me, and to me it seems obvious they are in fact manmade. As for the existance of god, I'm not going to claim a god doesn't exist but it seems more probable to me that one doesn't. I really think the whole concept of god is more likely to be manmade.

Ferdinand : I don't see how a god must exist for things to make sense, you could argue that someone must have created the world but then you could also just as well argue that someone must have created god, so that argument really crumbles pretty quickly. What is it that makes you say that it is neccesary?

Proving which is the true religion I don't think will be done (at least not in my life time). I say this because faith, just like a scientific theorum or academic thesis, has it's own seperate way of proving truth. In science, you run an expirement for the data, and a thesis you research for evidence. But, unlike science or academic theses, faith does not have an accepted way to prove that everyone agrees on. Hence, we are sitting here thousands of years after these religions were made, arguing who is the true divine everything ruler and who is the faker. This is why i have the belief (I don't remember the word for it) that you can't prove religion right or wrong, you will know who was right in the end when... I don't know die? Rapture? Just in the end. In the mean time, the best religion is the one that best fits your beliefs and opinions. For me, atheism best fits my beliefs. If Christianity or Islam works for you, go for it.

Zlinqx : God doesn't need a creator. He is God. Eternal. The universe has a beginning. Therefore, it is finite. If our universe is part of a bigger 'bulk' universe then all you do is push the question back.No matter how cosmologists or quantum physicists want to spin it, they cannot even begin to explain the origin of everything. 70 percent of the universe is either dark matter and energy that we can only guess about or we don't even fully understand gravity fully. I've been following discoveries in both fields for 25 years and they are no closer to an answer. If anything, all they've proven is how little we know. And probably that there is a limit on what we actually ever can. You can only measure so small you know. Multiverse theory is ridiculous if you're thinking about going there. I mean, do you even Planck? Do you favor the strong or weak anthropic principle? Or neither? I was raised in Christianity yes. But I rejected it in  my youth in favor of science. When you consider the complexity of a single cell and all the myriad of processes involved in allowing such a miraculous thing to arise on this particular planet, in this particular solar system, in this particular galaxy, at this particular era in the evolution of the universe, the odds are infinitely small. All these things had to align to even produce a planet where life could get started. I'm talking about the mass of a proton, to the fact that a Mars-sized planet collided with the Earth at just the right angle to produce our moon. This is doubly important because it's also the reason why the Earth possesses such a large iron core capable of producing the magnetic field that shields us from deadly radiation from space. None of the other inner planets have this attribute. And we needed the universe to be old enough to have been able to fuse enough iron in supernovae to seed the universe with the heavy elements(like carbon, oxygen, and iron) essential for life. That's a single cell. Now it has to evolve for a billion years. And I'm sure I'm missing things. We already know that the universe is not infinite so the odds of this occurring by random chance are certainly nil. Don't put your faith in Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Stephen Hawking. They may be scientists, but they also have egos. Theories come and go. They really do in this field. Besides the fact that there is tons of actual, archaeological evidence supporting biblical stories. Including the fact that Jesus did live. For starters.

NintendoFanKimmy : Yeah well, I don't even know how to summon so I guess I'll get nicked for a double post. Oh well. There should be a how-to video. Anyways, it's the going on about how Israelis are Jews and Israel is bad, and Jews and Israel is evil and should have been destroyed but those darned Christians saved them might have done it. Then he goes on about how the Bible and Torah are false to boot. I know this is a part of Islam to deny Christianity. The poster doesn't seem to have a very high regard for other religions at all. Why should he expect it in return? And then to ask people to go check out a bunch of links? please. As far as the Iran thing. Iran is an Islamic theocracy. They have declared their desire to destroy Israel more than once. In the name of their religion I'd imagine. I'm sure you disagree 100%, and think that a middle east nuclear arms race would be a very bad thing. Racial and religious hatred is strong there apparently. Except for I hear that Israel is very tolerant of Palestinian homosexuals who flee there to escape persecution since it's illegal in the Gaza Strip and they have at best no protection elsewhere. So tolerant they are. Or maybe I'm totally wrong. Either way, not mad at you. Don't think you're evil. I'm American(can you tell?) I HATE what most of my country thinks ALL the time. But despite what some people want you to think, it is still a Christian nation. They don't realize that's it's greatest strength. But I wouldn't really discuss this topic in text. Or at all really. Arguing religion is never a win. But do you appreciate it if someone says bad things about Mohammad? Was more testing 'Bafara' since he was a brand-new member and this was his fist post on the day he joined this site. Cheers. 
PS- I chat online with a muslim man in Malasia all the time who went to school in my home state about sports and we never argue.

Ferdinand: Okay. Thanks for replying . Also, I couldn't tell you were American xP. I don't know what really makes an American seem American xD. Everywhere I go people think I'm American, so... . Anyway, he said it shouldn't have returned, not that it should be "destroyed," and he never said it was "evil," but yeah. Everything's cool! "Anyways, it's the going on about how Israelis are Jews and Israel is bad, and Jews and Israel is evil and should have been destroyed but those darned Christians saved them might have done it." I'm sure some Muslims have that mindset, but literally no one I know does, and most people I know in real life are Muslims, haha. Also, most of the people who took the Jews in during World War II were in the Middle East, so xP. It just sounded like you thought a lot of Muslims had that mindset, so I'm just clarifying that most of them are sane. My school literally gave us a book this year to read called "I Am David" about a Jewish boy who escaped a concentration camp in World War II to find his mother. HALF of my mom's closest friends are gay. My best friend is trans. Please don't base Islam off of some crazy countries. The true face of modern Islam is different. Like that Muslim cop who got shot while defending Charlie Hebdo's right to insult his religion. That was the same day #killallmuslims was trending on Twitter, too, by the way. That's all I wanted to say. There are bad apples in every single group. Can't avoid that. But then there's the majority, who are good. Like you and me . 

Anyway, thanks for reading, bro . I hope you have a great day!

EDIT: I'm aware of the summon fail and have told him... again .

NintendoFanKimmy : Yeah. The actual problem everywhere, in every group, are extremists. And...lack of education, ignorance. Humans fear what they do not understand. It's a survival instinct ingrained in our DNA that has served us well in the past. Just like nails on a chalkboard make your spine tingle. Difficult to overcome.

Bafara :
NintendoFanKimmy :

I've summoned you both since you stated that you're Muslims, but mainly Bafara because you said that and I quote, "...christianity is not true".
Just for the record, although it might seem like it, I'm not going off topic with this.  Although a bit mangled, Bafara stated his case, so I want to do the same.  I'm not here to convince you or anyone of anything.  I only want to challenge the way you're thinking about things and to correct a few skewed understandings of the Christian faith.  As play4fun correctly stated - Bafara, it seems like you are just blindly stating someone else's thoughts and beliefs and you're not thinking it through.  Anyone can Google stuff and present it as "fact".  So please approach this with an open mind and check it out yourself.

First I want to look at where Christians and Muslims "meet" in other words, where we have common ground and PLEASE correct me if my understanding of your belief is wrong.  So, there is one God, the Creator of all things, right?  Secondly, Jesus of Nazareth was a prophet of God.  The Bible and the Qur’an agrees with this.  The Bible says in Acts 3:20–22, "And He shall send Jesus Christ,…For Moses truly said to the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up to you of your brethren, like to me; him shall you hear in all things whatsoever he shall say to you."
The Qur'an says this in Surah 3:45 - "Behold! The angel said ‘O Mary! Allah giveth you Glad Tidings of a word from Him. His name will be (Christ Jesus) the son of Mary, held in honor in this world and the hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah’"
and in Surah 19:19 the angel said to Mary, "I am only a messenger of thy Lord to announce to you a gift of a holy son." and finally in Surah 3:55 it says - Allah said: ‘O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself.".  So it's because of these references in the Bible and the Qur'an that we can agree that Jesus was indeed a prophet from God.
Thirdly, Christians and Muslims agree that Moses was also a prophet of God.  So there should be little contention when Christians speak of God (as Creator), Jesus the prophet, and the Law of the prophet Moses. I want to challenge you with the following by considering the law of the prophet Moses.  I would appreciate it if you can be honest with yourself and answer this truthfully in your heart (not on this forum).  I just want to be clear, I'm not accusing / judging anyone of anything.  Have you ever told a lie (half-truth, fib, white lie etc. A lie is a lie.)?  If you have, what does it make you?  Someone that tells lies is a liar right?  Next question - Have you ever stolen something regardless of how small it was?  If you have, that makes you a thief right?  The Prophet Jesus said, "Whosoever looks on a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart" (Matthew 5:27).  I know this is a tough one, but have you ever looked at a woman / man with lust?  If you have answered these questions truthfully you would realise that by your own admission you are in fact a lying, thieving adulterer-at-heart.  Sounds hectic doesn't it?  So if If God judges you by the Law of Moses on Judgment Day, will you be innocent or guilty?  If you consider to say "innocent", because you have confessed your sins to God, just keep in mind that the Qur'an says in Surah 10:54, "Every soul that has sinned, if it possessed all that is on earth, would fain give it in ransom..."  What does this mean?  The way I understand it, and correct me please if I am wrong, is if you possessed the whole world and offered it to God as a sacrifice for your sins, it would not be enough to provide atonement for your sins.  Imagine the following scenario.  A criminal is facing a $1000 000 fine, but he has no money, so he sincerely tells the judge that he is sorry for his crimes and vows never to do it again.  If the judge is good and just, he would not let him go on the basis of his sorrow or his vow never to commit the crime again.  He should of course be sorry for the crime and he should never break the law again.  However, the judge will only let him go if someone else pays the fine for him.

Back to the prophet Moses - He gave instructions to Israel to shed the blood of a spotless lamb to provide a temporary atonement for their sin.  In the same way God gave Jesus of Nazareth as the "Lamb" to make atonement for the sins of the world.  You can thus have atonement with God through faith in Jesus.  All your sins can be washed away once and for all.  God can grant you the gift of everlasting life through faith in Jesus Christ on the basis of His death and resurrection.  The uniqueness of Jesus of Nazareth was that He claimed He had power on earth to forgive sins.  No other prophet of any of the great religions made this claim.  Only Jesus can provide peace with God.  This is why He said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man comes to the Father, but by Me (John 14:6).  God commands sinners to repent and trust in Jesus as Lord and Savior or they will perish.  
Now, you (Bafara) has already said that "but some stuff in the Bible is false, because it was modified".  There are in fact also many different versions / translations of the Qur'an.  The Bible also have many different versions that's printed in different languages and in modern English to help people understand it, but the content of the scriptures remained the same.  The Dead Sea Scrolls prove that God has preserved these scriptures.  You can Google that if there's something you want to Google.  Furthermore, Jesus predicted in Matthew 24:1-2 and in Luke 21:5-6 in the Bible that the temple of Jerusalem would be destroyed and that its destruction would be so complete that not one stone would be left standing on top of another.  This prophecy was fulfilled about 40 years later when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and tore down the Temple.  This destruction was so complete that even the foundations of the Temple were dug up according to the historian, Josephus who wrote about the destruction.  Also in Luke 21:24, Jesus prophesied that the Jews would be exiled from Israel.  He said that Jerusalem would be trampled upon by foreigners and that the people of Israel would be forced into exile.  40 years later this prophecy began to find fulfillment when the Romans destroyed Jerusalem "twice".  During the first destruction, the Historian Josephus who lived during the first century claimed that 1.1 million Jews died and that hundreds of thousands were forced out of the country and into exile and slavery.  During the second destruction, Cassius Dio, another historian who lived during the second century claimed that 580000 Jews were killed and that 50 fortified towns and 985 villages were destroyed.  The exiled Jews were taken to countries throughout the Roman Empire and were eventually scattered and re-scattered throughout the world.
There are many more 100% fulfilled prophecies like this in the Bible that prove that this is the Book of the Creator.  I am not even remotely claiming to be a scholar of the Qur'an, so I'm genuinely and sincerely asking this question - Are there any fulfilled prophecies noted in the Qur'an?

Like I've said, I'm hoping you read this with an open mind and that you will check it out for yourself than by just taking my word for it.

Zlinqx :  "I don't see how a god must exist for things to make sense, you could argue that someone must have created the world but then you could also just as well argue that someone must have created god, so that argument really crumbles pretty quickly. What is it that makes you say that it is neccesary?"

Have a look at this thread.  Hopefully it will make a bit more sense...

SoL@R: Thanks for giving me something to think about !

I have read this with an open mind, and listen - I basically believe in bits and pieces from different parts of different religions that I believe in, but I appreciate everything you said to get the wheels in my mind turning. Christianity is one of my favorite religions because I agree with so much of what it says, and it encourages good behavior and kindness and all that.

Just so you know, though, I, to be frank, don't really care all that much about which one is the "true" one, and I will never be "100% Christian" or "100% Muslim" or "100%" anything else, because I just can't find a religion I completely agree with.

For example, like Christians generally believe, I believe Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Like Muslims generally believe, however, I believe children are born pure and without sin.

And, I don't know whether any religion says this, but I personally believe that, if there is a God, He doesn't really care how people believe in Him, or whether they believe in Him at all, but all He cares about is whether we atone for our wrongdoings and just be good people.

I'm not telling you to think this way; I'm just giving a few examples so you better understand the way I think. I will never be convinced to fully believe in any religion, but, just so you know, I have never met one Christian I didn't like, so .

I have many names for my God - God, Allah, love - but I respect each and every single one of you and your beliefs . Just know that I'm not that religious; that's all xP.

Again, SoL@R, thank you! Have a great day !

EDIT: I'm the Summon Fail Queen, I told him, this is the third time in this thread, boo hoo, etc, etc.

tornadocam : I have no rebuttal on anything you said except the crustaceans on mountain peaks pointing to a flood. Sorry, but it does not. Mountains form due to colliding crust from converging plates along a boundary. The crust is pressed together, causing the floor to elevate upwards. What evidence does show is that the land that is the top of mountains now was once underwater. That land had aquatic life such as the clams found on Everest. They died, remained on the ocean floor, and that part of the ocean floor was eventually uplifted when it converged with crust from another plate, which brings the fossilized remains above the ocean surface as well. The rock layers found on the top of mountains are consistent with what we see in gradual deposition and uplift, it is not consistent with what we see in a flood event. Aside from that detail, if those clams were placed there from a flood, we would see remains of many different creatures in the same rock layer as those clams and other shell creatures. However, we do not. A flood isn't going to just magically place clams in one spot and keep remains of other non aquatic life from being deposited within that layer.

What is the true religion?
HAHAHAHAHAHA.

True religion is: no religion at all.

I am a Christian which means I don't agree with 'religion' personally.


My faith in Jesus Christ's salvation doesn't warrant a religion.

My faith as a Christian has been proven to me on more than one occasion by the Lord Himself.