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Honestly no matter what gender race sex orientation somebody is I respect everyone. I may not understand the total reasons behind why they think they are transgender but that wouldn't give me the right to be rude to them. I have friends and even family who think they are transgender so I have a basic image of what it's about and why they think they are transgender. I may not understand it and I may never understand it but no matter what situation I'm put into .. I respect that person just like I would respect anyone else. I will always be there for my friends and family no matter what, it's just where my heart stands.
Honestly no matter what gender race sex orientation somebody is I respect everyone. I may not understand the total reasons behind why they think they are transgender but that wouldn't give me the right to be rude to them. I have friends and even family who think they are transgender so I have a basic image of what it's about and why they think they are transgender. I may not understand it and I may never understand it but no matter what situation I'm put into .. I respect that person just like I would respect anyone else. I will always be there for my friends and family no matter what, it's just where my heart stands.
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Brigand :

Maybe the way I worded my post did not come across the way I wanted too.  I don't want to make a long-winded story out of this, but if you knew my past and maybe read some of my past posts, you would see what a loser I am and no, this is not a pity party.  It's the simple truth.  I have done the most stupidest things in my life.  Stuff that brings me to utter shame.  I'm a sinner, through and through.  By the grace of God I have realised that I am heading for the gutter - really fast - if I continued with my destructive lifestyle.  It is ONLY through God's grace and His love for me (us) that He opened my eyes to what I was doing and brought me to a place where I confessed and repented from all the junk that I have done.  Does this mean I don't sin anymore?  Of course not.  Being a Christian does not mean you are better than anyone else it only means that you are better off, because you have chosen to swallow your pride, admitted that you're a guilty sinner that 's on the way to hell, asked God for His forgiveness and believed and trusted that Jesus Christ has died for your sins on the cross and that He rose again on the third day from the dead.  By doing this, God will grant you everlasting life.  It's His promise and that's what I mean by being "better off".  It's by rejecting this free gift of God and what His Son has done for you on the cross, by willfully continuing to sin, that you will reap in the end what you sow.   If you continue to sow sin, you will reap everlasting death and torment in hell.  The Bible is very clear about this.  So what am I saying?  That "transgender-ing" is a sin? I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but first, this is the simple definition of "transgender":

"Transgender is a term used to describe people who may act, feel, think, or look different from the gender that they were assigned by society based on their anatomical (biological) sex. The word transgender is used to include many groups of people who share one important "trait" (a way of feeling or behaving) but may not be the same in other ways. The common trait for transgender people is that they call themselves "transgender" and feel that their sex assigned at birth does not accurately describe them as a person. (Wikipedia)

The issue lies with that little word, "feel".  It is not what FEELS right that matters, but what matters is what IS right.  A guy might feel to cheat on his wife by looking at the other woman and saying, "I didn't ask for this feeling, but I have it now, so I'm going to leave my wife and go after the other one."  It doesn't make it right just because it feels right.  The same with transgender-ing.  You might say, "I did not choose this lifestyle or this feeling of being trapped in a woman's body (if you're a guy).  I was born like this".  Well, if you look at what the Bible say, this is in fact true.  The reality is that everyone has been born with a sinful nature.  It does not matter if it's with a heterosexual or homosexual tendency.  Everybody has got the capacity to sin.  No matter if the gender distortion has a genetic, hormonal, physiological, or psychological cause, the Bible clearly and consistently labels any sexual activity outside of marriage or not between a man and a woman as sin, rebellion against God’s plan.  Now, you can mock and laugh at this and try to sugarcoat it, but it's what God's word say and I would rather believe God's word than man's word or opinions.  I was tired of making excuses and trying to justify and cover up my sin.  Only when I stopped doing that and confessed it and repented of it, I experienced true freedom.  A huge burden was taken off my shoulders.  It is because of excuses and posting questions like, "Do you respect a Transgendering person?",  "Do you think piracy is wrong?", "Do you think abortion is wrong?" that people are somehow looking for justification in the replies for something their conscience tell them IS wrong.  By down playing obvious sin and giving a person a pat on the back and saying, "Don't worry, I'm ok with it."  you might as well shove the person off the cliff they are heading for.  

deg2000 - I am sorry that you had to deal with so-called Christians that's just bashing people with the bible just because.  If you look at my original post, I clearly referred to the lifestyle of a transgender person and not the person itself.  If I go around hating people it would go against the grain of everything I stand for and believe in.  I just hate sin because of what it does to people, how it weighs them down and what it did to me and still is doing.  While we're on this earth we will unfortunately not get away from it.  I am sorry if I came across as hateful.  It was not my intention at all.  I will however not apologise for speaking out against what the Bible says is sin.  It is because Christians do not expose sin's true colours that churches are running empty.  We rather tip-toe around the subject, too afraid to offend someone by telling them the actual truth.  If you see someone asleep in a burning building would you just walk by and hope the sprinklers go on, or would you run over, kick the door down and drag them to safety?  You say you're from a large line of catholics?  I would encourage you to read your bible then to see what God actually say about this specific topic and about sin in general, that is if you are serious about this.  Start with 1 Corinthians chapter 6, especially verses 9 and 10 and then let me know what your thoughts are again, that is of course if you're willing.

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Brigand :

Maybe the way I worded my post did not come across the way I wanted too.  I don't want to make a long-winded story out of this, but if you knew my past and maybe read some of my past posts, you would see what a loser I am and no, this is not a pity party.  It's the simple truth.  I have done the most stupidest things in my life.  Stuff that brings me to utter shame.  I'm a sinner, through and through.  By the grace of God I have realised that I am heading for the gutter - really fast - if I continued with my destructive lifestyle.  It is ONLY through God's grace and His love for me (us) that He opened my eyes to what I was doing and brought me to a place where I confessed and repented from all the junk that I have done.  Does this mean I don't sin anymore?  Of course not.  Being a Christian does not mean you are better than anyone else it only means that you are better off, because you have chosen to swallow your pride, admitted that you're a guilty sinner that 's on the way to hell, asked God for His forgiveness and believed and trusted that Jesus Christ has died for your sins on the cross and that He rose again on the third day from the dead.  By doing this, God will grant you everlasting life.  It's His promise and that's what I mean by being "better off".  It's by rejecting this free gift of God and what His Son has done for you on the cross, by willfully continuing to sin, that you will reap in the end what you sow.   If you continue to sow sin, you will reap everlasting death and torment in hell.  The Bible is very clear about this.  So what am I saying?  That "transgender-ing" is a sin? I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence, but first, this is the simple definition of "transgender":

"Transgender is a term used to describe people who may act, feel, think, or look different from the gender that they were assigned by society based on their anatomical (biological) sex. The word transgender is used to include many groups of people who share one important "trait" (a way of feeling or behaving) but may not be the same in other ways. The common trait for transgender people is that they call themselves "transgender" and feel that their sex assigned at birth does not accurately describe them as a person. (Wikipedia)

The issue lies with that little word, "feel".  It is not what FEELS right that matters, but what matters is what IS right.  A guy might feel to cheat on his wife by looking at the other woman and saying, "I didn't ask for this feeling, but I have it now, so I'm going to leave my wife and go after the other one."  It doesn't make it right just because it feels right.  The same with transgender-ing.  You might say, "I did not choose this lifestyle or this feeling of being trapped in a woman's body (if you're a guy).  I was born like this".  Well, if you look at what the Bible say, this is in fact true.  The reality is that everyone has been born with a sinful nature.  It does not matter if it's with a heterosexual or homosexual tendency.  Everybody has got the capacity to sin.  No matter if the gender distortion has a genetic, hormonal, physiological, or psychological cause, the Bible clearly and consistently labels any sexual activity outside of marriage or not between a man and a woman as sin, rebellion against God’s plan.  Now, you can mock and laugh at this and try to sugarcoat it, but it's what God's word say and I would rather believe God's word than man's word or opinions.  I was tired of making excuses and trying to justify and cover up my sin.  Only when I stopped doing that and confessed it and repented of it, I experienced true freedom.  A huge burden was taken off my shoulders.  It is because of excuses and posting questions like, "Do you respect a Transgendering person?",  "Do you think piracy is wrong?", "Do you think abortion is wrong?" that people are somehow looking for justification in the replies for something their conscience tell them IS wrong.  By down playing obvious sin and giving a person a pat on the back and saying, "Don't worry, I'm ok with it."  you might as well shove the person off the cliff they are heading for.  

deg2000 - I am sorry that you had to deal with so-called Christians that's just bashing people with the bible just because.  If you look at my original post, I clearly referred to the lifestyle of a transgender person and not the person itself.  If I go around hating people it would go against the grain of everything I stand for and believe in.  I just hate sin because of what it does to people, how it weighs them down and what it did to me and still is doing.  While we're on this earth we will unfortunately not get away from it.  I am sorry if I came across as hateful.  It was not my intention at all.  I will however not apologise for speaking out against what the Bible says is sin.  It is because Christians do not expose sin's true colours that churches are running empty.  We rather tip-toe around the subject, too afraid to offend someone by telling them the actual truth.  If you see someone asleep in a burning building would you just walk by and hope the sprinklers go on, or would you run over, kick the door down and drag them to safety?  You say you're from a large line of catholics?  I would encourage you to read your bible then to see what God actually say about this specific topic and about sin in general, that is if you are serious about this.  Start with 1 Corinthians chapter 6, especially verses 9 and 10 and then let me know what your thoughts are again, that is of course if you're willing.

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There are a lot of things in this world that I don't approve of, but come to accept nonetheless. It's not my call to tell other people how they should live their life. If they have a reason for doing it, then so be it, I don't really care. The basis in which I judge my opinions of others isn't based on arbitrary stuff like this anyway. 

Ultimately, I think this sort of thing is just a test of tolerance meant to measure our willingness to accept others. With that in mind, I really don't think anything else of it. 
There are a lot of things in this world that I don't approve of, but come to accept nonetheless. It's not my call to tell other people how they should live their life. If they have a reason for doing it, then so be it, I don't really care. The basis in which I judge my opinions of others isn't based on arbitrary stuff like this anyway. 

Ultimately, I think this sort of thing is just a test of tolerance meant to measure our willingness to accept others. With that in mind, I really don't think anything else of it. 
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To be honest, I'm not a big supporter of people becoming transgender, but I'm willing to respect them because like Razor said, it's their life, if they want to be transgender, then who am I to judge?
To be honest, I'm not a big supporter of people becoming transgender, but I'm willing to respect them because like Razor said, it's their life, if they want to be transgender, then who am I to judge?
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I tend to have a certain amount of respect for other people, so if someone wants to identify as another gender, that's fine by me. I don't identify as female, but I paint my nails, keep my hair very long, and watch My Little Pony, so who am I to judge?
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"I don't know... I feel a bit uncomfortable about being involved in someone's fetish by calling them by a different pronoun outside of the bedroom."
Fetish and gender identity mean different things. Someone who only gets off on it will not identify as another gender in public, while someone who truly feels like another gender will.
"Even after a surgery, I still don't consider them to be a different sex, in the same way that a soldier who gets his junk blown off in battle does not become a woman."
That's a very different situation. The hypothetical soldier isn't choosing to identify as a woman. The person getting a sex-change is.
I tend to have a certain amount of respect for other people, so if someone wants to identify as another gender, that's fine by me. I don't identify as female, but I paint my nails, keep my hair very long, and watch My Little Pony, so who am I to judge?
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"I don't know... I feel a bit uncomfortable about being involved in someone's fetish by calling them by a different pronoun outside of the bedroom."
Fetish and gender identity mean different things. Someone who only gets off on it will not identify as another gender in public, while someone who truly feels like another gender will.
"Even after a surgery, I still don't consider them to be a different sex, in the same way that a soldier who gets his junk blown off in battle does not become a woman."
That's a very different situation. The hypothetical soldier isn't choosing to identify as a woman. The person getting a sex-change is.
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Yes considering a lot of my real life friends are trans and my girlfriend is Bigender (but likes to be referred to with feminine pronouns) If you want to be called a girl but you have a penis, fine. If you have boobs but want to be called a guy, fine. I mean is it really that hard to just call someone with a penis a girl?
Yes considering a lot of my real life friends are trans and my girlfriend is Bigender (but likes to be referred to with feminine pronouns) If you want to be called a girl but you have a penis, fine. If you have boobs but want to be called a guy, fine. I mean is it really that hard to just call someone with a penis a girl?
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I don't understand people that judge things that they don't understand.

I would respect any type of person unless they gave me some reason NOT TO. Honestly why would I judge a transgendered person?? I have no idea what it's like to be them or to live that life. Live and let live, that's the motto I live my life by.

As long as what you are doing doesn't affect me or those around me in a severely negative way, then I'm ok with you living your life the way you choose.
I don't understand people that judge things that they don't understand.

I would respect any type of person unless they gave me some reason NOT TO. Honestly why would I judge a transgendered person?? I have no idea what it's like to be them or to live that life. Live and let live, that's the motto I live my life by.

As long as what you are doing doesn't affect me or those around me in a severely negative way, then I'm ok with you living your life the way you choose.
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Final Weapon : What do you mean about "it would depend on their situation" Do you have past experience in this area or something?
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I don't see why not. They're people like you and me.
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I'll respect em they are just humans lol here in the south people keep saying beastiality and pedophilia will be legal next lol
I'll respect em they are just humans lol here in the south people keep saying beastiality and pedophilia will be legal next lol
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I don't understand how this is even a topic.

You shouldn't respect or disrespect people based on their personal choices about sexual orientation or sexual identity, because it DOESN'T matter. Judge people on how they treat you and other people, if you can't get over the fact that they're a bit different than you, then that's a personal problem you have to overcome.

The only argument I've ever heard against this is based on religious dogma, and that's just not a good reason to like or dislike someone.
I don't understand how this is even a topic.

You shouldn't respect or disrespect people based on their personal choices about sexual orientation or sexual identity, because it DOESN'T matter. Judge people on how they treat you and other people, if you can't get over the fact that they're a bit different than you, then that's a personal problem you have to overcome.

The only argument I've ever heard against this is based on religious dogma, and that's just not a good reason to like or dislike someone.
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I honestly think it would depend on how they went about asking me about it. If they were respectful in the way they went about it then I would probably respect the request (no matter how much I can't even begin to understand it).

However, if they were disrespectful to me first then I would probably not waste my time calling them a he or a she. I would probably call them a lot worse things.

So, I guess it would be about mutual respect. If they don't get in my face about it then I won't have a reason to do anything but be respectful to them.

I don't really have any basis for this opinion though. I've never experienced this in real life so I can't know how I would react to the situation. I simply based my response on how I treat most people. If they ask me nicely to do something I'll almost always comply. If they are mean or disrespectful then I likely won't.
I honestly think it would depend on how they went about asking me about it. If they were respectful in the way they went about it then I would probably respect the request (no matter how much I can't even begin to understand it).

However, if they were disrespectful to me first then I would probably not waste my time calling them a he or a she. I would probably call them a lot worse things.

So, I guess it would be about mutual respect. If they don't get in my face about it then I won't have a reason to do anything but be respectful to them.

I don't really have any basis for this opinion though. I've never experienced this in real life so I can't know how I would react to the situation. I simply based my response on how I treat most people. If they ask me nicely to do something I'll almost always comply. If they are mean or disrespectful then I likely won't.
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Yes, I would treat them like a normal person. My mother always raised me under the notion that unless someone does not respect you, you respect them. So basically the golden rule, gays, transgenders, blacks, and everyone else different from me applies to this rule as well.
Yes, I would treat them like a normal person. My mother always raised me under the notion that unless someone does not respect you, you respect them. So basically the golden rule, gays, transgenders, blacks, and everyone else different from me applies to this rule as well.
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SoL@R : You, and nobody else, has the right to tell a person what their gender is. No book and no religion has the authority to deny someone this.
SoL@R : You, and nobody else, has the right to tell a person what their gender is. No book and no religion has the authority to deny someone this.
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sloanstar1000 : Unfortunately, too many people discriminate others based on arbitrary characteristics such as sexual "preferences." I admit feeling uncomfortable next to... eccentric gays at gay pride or "obvious" cross dressers but never will I reject them outright unless their actions are so despicable they go against my values.

geeogree : I feel the same. The "rights" they are asking are the same past discriminated groups (women, "people of color", gays) were asking for: legal equality. Once THAT is done, asking for ANYTHING more is going beyond equality and must be resisted. 
sloanstar1000 : Unfortunately, too many people discriminate others based on arbitrary characteristics such as sexual "preferences." I admit feeling uncomfortable next to... eccentric gays at gay pride or "obvious" cross dressers but never will I reject them outright unless their actions are so despicable they go against my values.

geeogree : I feel the same. The "rights" they are asking are the same past discriminated groups (women, "people of color", gays) were asking for: legal equality. Once THAT is done, asking for ANYTHING more is going beyond equality and must be resisted. 
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Sex and Gender are two separate things. If they were not, we'd just have Sex.

Gender is Perspective. I'll respect anyone who wishes to be referred to as whatever. Not saying I won't have any trouble adjusting, I sure know I will if I need to call a dude with a backwoods beard a she, but I will still try.

I have more respect for Trans than anyone else because they got the balls/boobs to go through with that kind of decision. 

On a simile note: I think we could do better with a gender neutral word than Mx but that's just me.
Sex and Gender are two separate things. If they were not, we'd just have Sex.

Gender is Perspective. I'll respect anyone who wishes to be referred to as whatever. Not saying I won't have any trouble adjusting, I sure know I will if I need to call a dude with a backwoods beard a she, but I will still try.

I have more respect for Trans than anyone else because they got the balls/boobs to go through with that kind of decision. 

On a simile note: I think we could do better with a gender neutral word than Mx but that's just me.
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I could care less what they want to be if it makes them happy.
I could care less what they want to be if it makes them happy.
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Honestly, I don't see why this should be a hot-button topic unless the person in question is still second-guessing going all the way. If he/she is trying to transition fully, then I see no need to question their gender identity.

And while it is true that most religious dogma is against this sort of thing, some also have advocated for far worse things, and punish certain things that we do without even thinking, such as work on Sundays (the punishment of which is being stoned). It's really silly to me to bring religion into this whole argument, to be completely honest, especially when the question isn't asking solely about morals here. Yes, humans are born inherently sinful, so why should you feel the need to be over someone who's trans or any part of the LGBTQ community when you also sin? (Note that I am not referring to anyone on this thread specifically, but a more general view of it)

I've already seen multiple people who have started to commit to their identity swaps, and they are no more evil than anyone else in the world, and have the potential to be just as respectful and loving to others. Their decision is not directly affecting my life, nor should it be affecting the lives of others, so I just leave it be.
Honestly, I don't see why this should be a hot-button topic unless the person in question is still second-guessing going all the way. If he/she is trying to transition fully, then I see no need to question their gender identity.

And while it is true that most religious dogma is against this sort of thing, some also have advocated for far worse things, and punish certain things that we do without even thinking, such as work on Sundays (the punishment of which is being stoned). It's really silly to me to bring religion into this whole argument, to be completely honest, especially when the question isn't asking solely about morals here. Yes, humans are born inherently sinful, so why should you feel the need to be over someone who's trans or any part of the LGBTQ community when you also sin? (Note that I am not referring to anyone on this thread specifically, but a more general view of it)

I've already seen multiple people who have started to commit to their identity swaps, and they are no more evil than anyone else in the world, and have the potential to be just as respectful and loving to others. Their decision is not directly affecting my life, nor should it be affecting the lives of others, so I just leave it be.
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