I have personally three transgender friends. This means they are not trannies, but people who have actually either went through or going to go through sex change. People I would actually call friends but I suppose there are more who I could call acquaintances or something.

I think I have discussed this subject before in some other topic but I personally don't care if you are gay, straight, bi or transgender. But I have seen a few people go through the hormonal thing when they first feel like after life of depression they are happy for the first time in their life and they drop their old habits, past lives and friends and feel like everything in their past was just ridiculous. Maybe later on they see that the new life they led was not a solution to all their problems after all. But hey, it is the life of a teenager and that is what you get when you get the hormones. You live and learn.

I already start to feel like yeah dude/dudette, I get it, you are happy now for the first time in your life and the bureaucracy sucks. I have heard it all before but hey. I guess me being bored is better than you trying to pretend something other you are not.

My love to all transgender people out there.

If I may I am going to explain my view of this so here I go. Transgender is a touchy subject which is why I tend to stay away from such things but I thought I would give my opinion. I personally do not care if a person is transgender or not because to me I do not like to judge people based on there appearance. I judge based on there personality so if someone is being a gigantic a** I tend to not like them but if they are nice I'm fine with them and we may become friends. You ask if I respect them the answer to that question is undecided for me I like how they are so different I find that very unique but It also is kind of weird but I really do not care if a person is transgender or not as long as they are nice then they are good in my book.

I don't know if I can in the majority of scenarios. People that go through the surgery seem to be rejecting their entire past. I can't respect that. My past is full of family and friends. It's full of plenty of crap, just like everyone else, and I don't think I could ever think throwing it away would be a respectable decision.

I respect people. It's not like I would go out of my way to make the person's life worse. I would treat them just like everyone else. But I don't think the action is the least bit respectable. I would discourage someone from doing it. Not only does it proclaim that your old life wasn't good enough for you, but it also will not fix the majority of problems. Many think it's a magical fix. "Poof! Problems all gone!" But it's not.

Why would you not respect another human being? If I say I'm a table, who are you to ruin my happiness and tell me I'm not a table? If they hate being the gender they were formerly, they have every right to be called the other, whether or not they are physically that gender.

Txgangsta : While they indeed "break free" from an important part of their life, you actually know some that COMPLETELY broke free of their "past life"?

If such is the case I find it sad. Putting everything in your behind must be worse than being "reprogrammed" in conversion therapy. But if such is their decision and it makes them happy without physically hurting anyone, who am I to judge?

janus :

They try to continue their old life, but they never make it. The aftermath of the surgery creates problems in nearly all social settings (work, friends, bars, family, etc). I know 3 people that have done the surgery, and 2 have moved away, never to speak to anyone that they have ever known again. The third is an employee with my dad, but she (who used to be he) had no social life prior to the surgery; the surgery gave him a social life.

You know what, I disagree. And everyone can dislike this post and call me a hater.

Transsexuals don't think they are the other sex by nature, it is by sin; we all were born into sin by Adam & Eve.

You entertain the thought at a young age that you are the opposite sex, and then as you get older you think that you are.


I'm not trying to debate this because clearly there are individuals born with both sex organs... and they have to decide who they are and possibly surgery. But if you have one sex organ it is obvious who you are.

Txgangsta : I can see your point now. Indeed such a radical change might entail more radical changes in that person's life.

tRIUNE : not true. Some people are actually born with BOTH genitalia; others are born with XXY chromosomes. Granted, it's rare but it happens (you do concede that point).

However, be careful to judge for fear of being judged yourself. I don't say I understand how they think or feel, but I would certainly not call them "deranged" as some have done for Bruce Jenner. Who are YOU to say such a thing (not aiming at you in particular)

janus : I'm not being judgmental; I'm explaining why that I don't have the respect for a transgender in the regard of them actually being the opposite sex if they were born with one sex organ and they had surgery to replace it with the opposite sex organ.

If you were born a male and want to "transgender" to a female or vice versa then I do not respect that.  You have heart issues.  You are basically saying to the God that gave you life, "I don't like what You have made and I'm 'changing' that.."  All of us have sins of some kind.  Some choose to repent of it and turn to God, others willfully deny God and continue living out their sin.  Unfortunately for those who stubbornly continue in their sin the Bible teaches,  "For the wages of sin is death..." but if you truly realise that it is actually destroying your life and you turn from it, God promises "eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord."  So I truly feel sorry for those who continue down this path and I deeply respect the person, but not the lifestyle they choose to live.

Note: I do not intend to offend anyone, and I don't mean to be rude. I just want to share my opinion.

Okay, first of all, I don't see the point of transgendering. Why would some people transgender into a male/female? Here's another question. For those who are male:"Why do you want to be a woman?", and for those who are female:"Why do you want to be a man?"

If the answer was because they are not comfortable of their male/female bodies, then I understand. But, if they want to transgender because of male/female emotions, then that's sexist.

I mean, men and women are equal. Men=Women. The only difference is their bodies, nothing else. What does emotions have to do with this situation? Men has the exact same emotions as women.

The question of this thread is, do I respect a transgendering person? Yes. I have to admit that those transgendering people had an extremely rough life. No offence, but, if you're bothered by a male/female body, then just deal with it. You were born as a male/female person. It wasn't a choice.

SoL@R :

God created transgender people too. And you also sin. And for the wages of your sins is also death. My friend.

SoL@R : So what about Trans Christians? Are they to be bashed as well (Yes, No, Maybe so?) And I agree wholeheartedly with Brigand with his point on God made Trans people as well. Basically every choice or blahblahblah was predetermined by God He knows what we are doing. I think the only reason this is a large problem is BUTT-HURT Christians in my opinion they started this whole fight they made everyone an enemy this is reason Christians are now being bashed because they technically started the fight between not respecting people's decisions in life. My God says this is wrong (big whoop no one gives a s***) You need to burn in hell for you're disgusting sins (Thanks for the vote of confidence I'll make sure to save you a seat there) that's every conversation I see with a Christian in this day that's why faith in the church is dropping. Where is the God loves us all JK It hates you guys. This is all i'm going to say for now we can continue this. 

I respect a trans as long as they can respect me as a person too. 

deg2000 :

http://www.transchristians.org/

I realized I never responded to the responses to my original post, and I won't now, but I do want to clarify this about my viewpoint.

Whether or not I respect someone is entirely separate from this issue. I work with convicted felons, yet I respect them because they have earned my respect. I have a lesbian boss who I respect a lot, I just don't agree with her decision to date another female. Respect is an entirely separate issue, please stop trying to guilt-trip people into changing their views.

deg2000 : Ok, let me get this straight... I say I prefer to call transgendered people by their physically-accurate pronoun because of my beliefs, and suddenly I lack respect for everyone, am butt-hurt, and automatically want you to burn in hell for your choices?

Please, at least be informed. The people you describe can't be described as Christians, because that kind of behavior isn't how Christians are called to behave. Perhaps they identify as Christians, but even criminals act as though part of society until they act on their illegal plans. We're talking about offended transgendered people, yet you've aggressively taken a stance against Christians for simply living according to our beliefs (which is exactly what you want Christians to let transgendered people do).

tl;dr - please be informed, don't jump to conclusions (as I haven't), and don't be hypocritical. We're having a discussion, not a 'cuss the other view into the ground' debate.

Well, yes and no. If they're transgender, i don't really care. it's how they are, and that's alright. But if they complain and whine about people calling them the wrong kind of pronoun, that's just stupid. First off, people make mistakes. And secondly, most times this happens is when the said transgender does not tell the person who said the pronoun beforehand that they prefer this or that pronoun. It's stupid, seriously. Don't go and go brew a storm, go and calmly tell the person that they said the wrong pronoun to you and then tell them what you prefer. They'll probably apologize if you approach them in a calm way.

It also bugs me how LGBT's in general, if they aren't one to confess to people, they whine about how people aren't noticing the "signs". Like seriously, it's pretty easy to not notice these "signs" unless it was something really obvious like asking your parents to go out with certain people more. And even then people would miss it. They could just think you like spending time with your friends or something.

Also why did transgenders just kinda pop out of nowhere? I mean, I know gays, lesbians, and bi's have been around for awhile, but then in like around the 2000's boom all these transgender people. Maybe I'm missing something, but they just kinda came into existance or something.

deg2000 :

If you believe that God predetermined all your choices for you, then you need a better God.

I'm not leaving my fate up to some "guy in the sky." And certainly won't believe that He controls my fate just cause some book says so. Especially when I observe differently. Free will is something that is observed after all.

Those Christians are not butt hurt, but they do care about a person's well being, that's what I find usually anyways. On top of that, I like to think you don't need to have faith to use common sense. After all, common sense and logic is why we believe the Bible in the first place, right?

People will go to hell for being unrepentant of their disgusting sins- the Bible lists several of them, or, the Torah really. (New Testament just covers sins already written really, though it does a great job at explaining them!)

People can call whatever they want evil. I can say abortion is evil, you can say it's right. I can call rape fine, and you can say it's wrong. In this entire world, you will find people with tons of opinions on right and wrong. Entire cultures can rise up and deem various actions right or wrong. Take animal human hybrids for example. China has made some wonderful attempts in that area recently.

We can say just who we think will make it to the other side, and who won't, but only one person knows, and that is Yahova.

He gave us a book, and he does love us, but he can't allow us to go unpunished for the evil we've done without repentance.


Gingercream1 :


Well, the number of gays and lesbians, bisexuals, ect are harder to identify in the past, but the number has increased a lot lately. This, and the trans factor is something that's bothering me, but really honestly is expected. I guess the human race is just getting worse. What would compel a person to be the opposite gender they were born as? Something that's not good, that's for sure.

Somehow I doubt the whole "I was born this way thing." In fact, the situation you described and it being so common makes me think that the reason transgender people come about is because they just want the world to change for them. (not gonna happen peeps)

There are a few cases where people are actually born with both organs, just not many. Far to many people are claiming that they're "transgendered" then they should. I sympathize those who are born this both reproductive organs, and yeah, something has to be done there, and it can be difficult to find a solution.

Such people are called a hermaphrodite. And it's people like this, who's parents that didn't do anything to help them who I would sympathize with. I think this is the only good reason for gender confusion.

mrfe : As I did state in my post that was about every conversation I came across I'm not saying everyone does it but a large amount. And I don't think you fully understood what I mean't to point out. I mean't (I say I prefer to call transgendered people by their physically-accurate pronoun because of my beliefs, and suddenly I lack respect for everyone) Is that you are showing you lack respect for that specific set of persons. As these people are basically hated on just because they want to be the opposite sex. And what I don't understand is that your beliefs stop you from saying the pronoun they prefer? I really don't understand that one bit. (I come from a large line of catholics and not anywhere do I recall seeing you can't call someone their preferred pronoun). And also why can't WE as people not able to be one with God, I am pretty positive he would take a transgender person who does believe reads the bible, prays and goes to church every week or day. Let me get this straight we are supposed to behave okay by the commandants right? Or is there this new thing? Because I read the commandments paper and it has all the sins with them and I didn't see one about Trans people or not calling them pronouns don't get me wrong but I feel that we need to extend our reach it may not seem like an idea that you might not like but I think God wants us all to stop this fighting over this stuff and just make peace I mean that's what he really wants everyone to be happy and *Love thy neighbour as thyself* and everyone could grow closer to him.

Gingercream1 : Actually the thought about gender changes has been here for like ever. I mean lot's of saints and such had to pretend to be the other gender for long periods and some just stayed identified as men. I think that might have been where the idea may have been originated.

deg2000 :

Not sure why mrfe won't call them by their preferred gender, but I know why I won't.

I don't like playing along with people. Um. . . . we have a way of terming stuff here. Just cause you want to be a girl, doesn't mean you are. Just cause you want to be a fire extinguisher doesn't mean you get to be called an it.

I'm going to call people based on what I see them as, or based on their physical definition. Wearing girls clothing doesn't make you a girl.

The Bible has two commands that apply to trans people.


1. Men shall not wear what pertains to a woman.

2. A man shall not lie with a man as if a woman.

Also, I believe it's just common sense that thinking you're the opposite gender that you really are is quite a problem. But you'll find all sorts of weird stuff going on in that person's mind because of it. Honestly.

It's a good thing to have the body of a man, but wish you were a woman, think you were a woman? When you have the very DNA of a man? The very brain of a man?!? Sex organs of a man?!?!?

No, mental error, and a problem. I'm tired of people not identifying it. Why do people run from such a simple observation? Is the problem just so heavily rooted that they won't admit and they'd rather live mentally crippled the rest of their lives?

Love thy neighbor as thyself, yes, but do not forget that God has a moral code as well. I'm not going to just pall around a murderer, or anyone else who would make poor (if not dangerous) company after all.

I don't know... I feel a bit uncomfortable about being involved in someone's fetish by calling them by a different pronoun outside of the bedroom. Even after a surgery, I still don't consider them to be a different sex, in the same way that a soldier who gets his junk blown off in battle does not become a woman.

*Just throwing that grenade of trigger warning into the thread.*