pray75 : The world population of secular humans, while still a minority, is a significant. The thing about secular people is that they like to be around other secular people. No different than how Muslims feel at home in the middle east where there are other Muslims, people who are atheistic would feel at home in my Black Kite Islands.
My nation would quickly become one of the most progressive in the world. See, the thing about previous atheistic states in history is that those governments forced atheism upon religious people, which is why it led to ruin. Everyone in my country would be voluntarily atheistic. Atheists, by large sum, are more progressive-minded.

The only downside that I can see is that large corporations based in the US and Europe might at first feel uncomfortable establishing offices in my country. However, they'll be quick to jump on board when they realize that we have a strong economy fueled by some of the brightest minds in the world.

Also, I don't like your assumption that the people of the labor industries are all people of faith. There are atheists from all walks of life, from the beggars to the richest of men. This includes farmers, miners, unskilled workers, etc.

Cradily is love : Your translation is incorrect. While Christian companies are the ones I was referring to, there are many small businesses run by Jewish people, Islamic people, Hindu, etc. People of religion, not just Christianity, are the ones driving the society. There are far fewer atheist-run businesses than ones of people with faith.

sop281 : While it is true that there are many atheists, there are many more people of faith. And just because a corporation or a business is not one of faith doesn't mean it that people of faith aren't working in it or running it. And I understand that there are countries smaller than the United States, but that's not the argument I'm making here. I'm saying that if he chooses to pay for his faithful citizens' departure, he is going to start in the red off the bat. Deportation is an expensive process, as is being admitted into another process. It's time consuming, and it's possible no country would take these people right away. Where do they go then? Does his seemingly all-inclusive-yet-not-inclusive society allow these people to stay until they are taken in?

Zurenriri : My assumption isn't that people of labor are all people of faith; it's that people of labor are mostly people of faith. Look at your Central and South American countries. Largely Roman Catholic, most of these people are laborers. They make it their living through hard work and manual labor. Are there a few who lack faith? Sure. But say you take Ecuador and remove the religious people from that country, that country will go down fast. There simply is too much to do and not enough non-religious people to make it work. Even with your so-called "progressive-minded society," you would still have everyone stretching themselves thin in order to try to get things to function. The smartest of minds can still be reduced to stupidity when an abundance of stress, an extreme lack of sleep, and an overwhelming mountain of work is in its face.

And let's say you do have atheists flock to your country. Here's my next question: How are your so-called unskilled laborers going to be able to afford to get to your country? Are you going to pay for them to do that, too? Where are your tax revenues coming from to do that? Are you going to borrow from China or the United States? Are you going to try to smuggle them out? What if that starts a war? Our military is made up of far more people of faith than people without. Is that really a tree you want to bark up?

The next thing I'm going to say is that a progressive society might not be in the best interest of the country at large. When you are a progressive society, I can only assume that most benefits will be taken care of at the expense of taxpayer dollars. These taxes will have to be high, because you are already paying for the departure of all your people of faith and possibly the inclusion of the people who want to be in your country. These people have to start or find jobs, and many of them - if it is to be believed that many people will come - will not have the capital to start the jobs. The few with a lot of money might start their business ventures, but they will be taxed tremendously in order to keep the system running, and so they would not be able to hire many of the people looking for jobs. Would the infrastructure be in place for these businesses to operate? Do you think you would have enough people without faith to be willing to work with their hands rather than their minds? I have a hard time believing that a large group of atheists would pave roads and build buildings. You might not, and that's your opinion, but when I think of "atheists" and "jobs," I think of the sciences, perhaps the arts. I've met a few here and there in the restaurant industry, and there are one or two that are extremely hard-working people (people like the girl I'm thinking of would crack under the pressure of your society; because she works so hard, she has a hard time dealing with stress. Smart girl, absolutely hard working, but she is highly emotional and would struggle since I think a lot of the work would be pinned on people like her). That being said, I've never met an atheist restaurant owner, and I've worked in/been to a lot of restaurants. Do they exist? I'm sure they do. But is that the line of work they typically find? I don't think so. That's just one multi-billion dollar industry to account for. There are countless others.

I'm not trying to bag on atheists here. I'm simply trying to make a point that an all-atheist country, even one with the benevolent intentions such as yours, is a disaster waiting to happen. I think the minds might be there to formulate the ideas about the country and its goals, but I don't think the labor -either in numbers or in effort - would be there to bring about success. I also think the capital just wouldn't be there to both kick people of faith out and to bring people without faith in.

One last point here. Even if you were to, say, start your country from scratch, to create the Black Kite Islands off the coast of Newfoundland, similar to the ones in Dubai, I don't think you would be able to get a foot off the ground without some help from people of faith. You would have to find atheists to create the islands, then find more to create buildings, pave the roads, create your constitution/laws, etc. etc. I'm not sure if these "high-minded" people would be up to it. In fact, and I guess this is my whole point with this, I don't think most atheists would be up to doing the back-breaking work in the first place.

pray75 : I'm not even gonna read your wall of lies, and don't even consider Judaism and Islam a separate faith of yours, you all practice similarly and worship the same god, good night, and it should be very obvious that the reason few atheist run businesses exist is because of the discrimination put by people like you, and the fact that many people hide their atheism with Christianity as it's the easiest faith to recognize.

pray75 : Well, I think you also seem to be ignoring the fact that the majority of people who would go to his country would be atheists in the first place, and so he would be deporting very few, thus minimizing deportation cost. I'm not entirely positive on what specifics he would be going for, but I am assuming he would allow the non-atheists to stay for a time before they absolutely have to go, allowing them time to find residence elsewhere before leaving. 

"One last point here. Even if you were to, say, start your country from scratch, to create the Black Kite Islands off the coast of Newfoundland, similar to the ones in Dubai, I don't think you would be able to get a foot off the ground without some help from people of faith. You would have to find atheists to create the islands, then find more to create buildings, pave the roads, create your constitution/laws, etc. etc. I'm not sure if these "high-minded" people would be up to it. In fact, and I guess this is my whole point with this, I don't think most atheists would be up to doing the back-breaking work in the first place." 

I'd just like to respond to this, while I'm at it. Not every atheist is "high-minded", but a lot are of above-average intelligence, from experience. Seeing as there are plenty of atheists around the world though, I have no doubt that there would be enough bodies to do the manual labor, as well as commit to the more mentally-demanding jobs. The need for people of faith is simply nonexistent in this case. 

Yes, I'd allow freedom of religion, as if I started a country, I'd have no need to choose/control the religion of my citizens.

Zurenriri :
You're one of two posts I've read so far that wouldn't have freedom of religion. It's interesting....
But yeah, there's one thing there: some countries wouldn't let you buy citizenship for people, and it's definitely possible for people of poor standing who would never amount to much to claim atheism just to join your country... for the free food and stuff....
But that being said, it's a fascinating idea. I don't personally think it could work, purely due to the human element, but... it's interesting.

calebjudah : False atheists are definitely something I'd have to consider. Of course if you keep your religion to yourself or to a small group of friends, there's no way the government would ever know about it. I guess what I'm going for is a society where people can be what they desire in their private lives, but where science is upheld as fact in the public worlds of education, business, law, development, etc.

If I started a country, would I allow freedom of religion. For the most part, yes.

I once met a person who was in prison for 'starting' their own religion, and it involved hurting people and all sorts of terrible things. The fact one's faith is such a personal matter - its very hard to tell someone their religion is or is not acceptable. To them, the act of causing pain was considered a 'religious act of devotion'. But, for the most part, I would totally be on board with most religions, as long as they are not impacting other adult's choices or rights.

The matter of say a child completely finding the religion they are brought up in abhorrent, well thats a bit different, and would get into child laws that would be rather long to get into here on such a broad question.


But the name of my country would be Strong Badia. And its flag would be this. Because copyrights and old internet jokes are unheard of in my country of Strong Badia.