I've been playing fantasy football for well over 8 (yahoo 5 and ESPN 8) years now, and this year has been the worst in personnel (teams). Trades have been bad but not horrible, that Charles trade was the first really bad one. I vetoed it the second I saw the email, that kind of trade really kills a league and gives one person a great player and the other a kicker..... I think I cried from laughter when I saw that trade in all honesty. haha.


The worst part about leagues this big, there is nothing on the waiver wire so you have to trade for someone's bench player or get a players ball and chain (their back-up) if they get injured. Also the fact that people rage quit 5-6 games in the season and say I'm out of it is still not cool, I still set my line up with the players I think are gonna do good even if I'm 3-4-1. Its still fun. 

Also things.... try not to wish someone to lose every week cause you want first, you can say it to yourself and maybe in the smack talk IF your versing him, but not anywhere else its bad karma and poor sportsmanship. 

If I ran the league... I would run it with an iron fist. There would be a lot of changes. W/t would go away completely, 3 WR spots, 1 TE spot, and 1 W/T/R spot. Gives a lot more options for a line up. Also I would drop it from 16 man down to 12-14. 10-12 is a gravy zone, every league I have been in that is in that range is always fun, there is people still let on the waiver wire and it makes it more challenging to set your line up, instead of this picking at the bottom of the barrel thing we have now. 

Love the league I really do, gamers alike playing fantasy football its awesome. But things need to change, drastically. 

Jimmyjamx22 : Yeah I think next year I will do a 12 team league. I love having divisions though so if I did 12 teams than we'd either have 3 divisions of 4 teams or 4 divisions of 3 teams.

I'll consider the WR and TE thing next year.

Davideo7 : 12-14 team leagues of players that will play through the whole season is a perfect number for a league.

I do agree and have brought up the roster spots in the past regarding there being too many W/T spots and not enough RB spots.

I think that we need to at least have one of the W/T Spots changed to a true Flex as W/T/R because it would help even out the rosters a little with regards to WRs, TEs, and RB's. It would also do us justice maybe to shorten the bench by a player or 2.

Thank you for all vetoing the trade. Hopefully moving forward we won't have any more of this.

mlb789 : I almost totally forgot about the AP in his 2000+yard year for TT. LOL

Jordanv78 : So that is what they mean by " flex option ". 

I think 3 WR, 1 TE, 2 RB, 1 Flex would be a good look. 12 people in the league, and maybe 1 less roster spot, maybe 2 MAX!!! 
Maybe even put a limit on moves and trades. Maybe only 5 trades throughout the year, and another 5 or 10 off of waivers? I think if we add a max number of moves, it'd be more fair. 

thing1 : I think adding a max to the waiver moves is a bad idea because that's where a lot of the strategy comes in.

I don't think we would really need to add a flex option if we are going to limit the league from 16 teams to 12 teams. As the players that those 4 cut off teams will fill out for a good majority of the players. For example...

team V's (who I assume we are not going to allow in next season given his inactivity) current roster is:

QB: Brady & Kaepernick
RB: Foster & Ball
WR: Tate, Wayne, Hunter, Bennett, Gordon.
K: Vinateri
Def: Buffalo.

So obvious those players are going to be picked up by the 12, if we just limit the league to 12 teams, it will limit the amount of players on the roster and add more options in the waiver wire.

Of course if we do a 12 team league, it will limit the amount of Vizzed users who will join. Obviously David will be 1 of those teams, those who come in 1st, 2nd, and 3rd; so 1/3 of the spots are taken. Obviously V is gone. Not sure if Attack Pack will rejoin or mrfe's dad (although if he wins the league, I assume he will rejoin as title defender). So potentially we will lose 1 or 2 users who are active on the league.

Now this isn't a huge issue as this is a first come first serve type of deal and their is a limited amount of people on Vizzed who watch football, let alone play fantasy football. If we do a 12 man league next year, I would suggest that we create a "wait list" where those who wish to join the league but can't because the league is full can reserve a spot to replace a user if that user goes inactive for a certain amount of time.

I wouldn't mind seeing the flex option as an experiment for next season.

I disagree with limiting roster spots. If you do your draft correctly and you take into account your player's bye period, your starting roster shouldn't change that much. That is why at most I would need to swap out 1 WR and 1 RB. Not to mention if we limit to a 12-team league it will equal a more quality bench as I have previously stated. At least that would be true for QBs as a team as there would still be some starter QBs on the wire (like the Raiders or Jaguars QB).

I would suggest that if we do a 12 team league next year that we see how the draft goes before deciding on whether to limit roster spots/benches or if we do allow for a flex option.

Oldschool41 : I like your argument. Now, let me add a few things to that? 
I was talking with MattyIce about a few things with this league while we were working on the Pick 'Em League thread last week. Well, he suggested that maybe there be a 2nd league. If that's the case, we could do 2 leagues, and they could be smaller. I see this working out, but presenting 2 issues. 
1. Players are going to be available in both leagues, which could potentially result in the 2nd issue. 
2. How about 10-12 man leagues depending on how many people want to play, and we have the winner of both leagues play each in Week 17. Now, there is no way to have 2 league champions face each other as far as I know. However, Week 17 is usually not played in Fantasy Football, from what I've seen, so take the results from the 2 championship teams in Week 17, and the highest score wins the whole thing. 

Now, I would really like the flex option. The past few weeks, I've had Lynch, Hillman, and Forsett, and it's a pain trying to figure out which 2 play. Now, I have some W/T that I would rather not start, but I do because they are my best option. 
So... here is my suggestion, assuming that you can only have a 10 man roster: 
1 - QB 
2 - RB 
3- WR 
1 - FLEX
1 - TE ( I'd prefer to have 2, but since there is the flex, it makes sense to limit TE to 1 ) 
1 - K 
1 - DEF 

I think this idea would work best. As for the 2 league concept... not sure how it would work out, but I think it's worth considering. 

thing1 : A 2 league could be a good compromise, but it would have to be the unofficial one that David isn't sponsoring. I'm sure he would approve of a second league (and since a league doesn't take that much effort to do, even those in the 12 league could potentially join).

Now are you getting rid of bench? Cause you really need to have 2 QBs and Defenses because you just don't know how QB's and Defense will do at the start of the season (Panthers and Bears D as example). Maybe instead of a 16 player roster that we currently have that we limit it down to 14 cause you only need at least an extra QB, Def, 1 WR, 1 RB to fill out your bye period (assuming you draft correctly).

I think the bigger issue is that attending the draft should be MANDATORY. Cause we don't need people letting the computer decide their draft and they end up taking a person who isn't on the roster. And this is an easy solution because...

1. There is a draft app that you can use on your phone/tablet that works well.
2. We do it on a day that is easy/easiest for people to attend.

Also if we do a 12 man team, we should really focus on player our division rivals twice similar to how the NFL does. It makes no sense that both Me, mrfe's dad, and Maniacs are a combined 22-4 and in the same division while a division leader is at .500 or below. Just a suggestion that could help and we would most likely end up doing this if we do a 12-man league anyway.

Oldschool41 : Oh, I forgot about the Bench. I think if we are lowering it to a 12 man league, we can drop it down to 5 players on the bench, potentially 4. 

But when I said 2 leagues, and the champions face each other in Week 17, I did mean that you could join both leagues. You can only be one league, but what league you get is random. That's another issue... What league are you going to be in if you played the previous year? 
Like I said, it's just a suggestion if we have more than the 12 or 14 people wanting to play for the league next year. 

Oldschool41 : You can't really base the division unfairness on the scheduling. Even if we faced each other twice, it's probably just be one more loss for any of the 3 teams. The reason our division is so strong is because you and mrfe's dad had amazing drafts, while I built my team through trading. I'm not saying that I disagree with the idea, but scheduling can't be the blame for having the 3 best record holders all in one division.

thing1 :
kramer4077 : Why are you two trading back the RB's you literally just traded away not even a day ago?

megamanmaniac : thing asked to trade them back, but leave the rest of the deal. It was a mistake.

kramer4077 : Even if it was a mistake, you don't have to just trade back. Everyone has made mistakes this seaosn in trading, like mrfe trading away Julio Jones and Michael crabtree for two tight, but none of those trades have been undone. I just don't see the point of it is all.

megamanmaniac : We discussed it in a PM. We agreed to trade the RB's back since they were about even. 

megamanmaniac : I like Lacy better anyway (GO PACK GO   I didn't even want to trade Lacy in the first place, but thing had included him in the deal. I badly needed a reliable WT so I took the deal (take a look at my WT).  And thing needed Def for an upcoming bye week.  So we are trading just RBs back and I want Lacy back, point projections equal out about the same over these next few weeks, so there should be no issue here

kramer4077 : But how did this trade benefit you at all? You gave up a Manning and a DEF for a WR that's on an unproductive offense in Minnnesota and Hoyer. You could've gotten much better value. If you were keeping Lynch that'd be one thing, but now that you're doing a tradeback, there was really no point.

megamanmaniac : I don't need Manning since Rodgers is past his bye week.  I needed a WT that can pull in a reliable 7/8 points each week. Look at my WT-each one of them terrible-15 points one week and 1 point the next-can't rely on any of them lol!
My WT draft picks were awful and I've been claiming off waivers since then with no luck (Allen Robinson is my best WT, which is sad).  I'm totally new to fantasy football and trying my best   Also, Lacy will play better than Lynch the rest of the season, I have faith in my Packers.

As a side note, could you or someone explain how the playoffs work for our league?  I am not sure-is it only for the top in each division?

kramer4077 : Alright. But I'd be willing to give you one of my strong W/T and Wilson for Rodgers, if you have any interest.

As for playoffs, it works the way real football does. Top 2 seeds get a bye. Bottom 4 seeds play eachother and the winners pllay the top 2 seeds and so on until the final matchup week 16.

megamanmaniac :
kramer4077 :

Actually the best team from each division goes to the playoffs and the next 2 best teams from the entire league as well for a total of 6 teams. The 2 teams with the best record get a bye in the first week of the playoffs.

megamanmaniac : Hmm, that is pretty tempting, but I love how consistent Rodgers is. I'll think about it and get back to you   Thanks for the playoff info!  Ok, now I see David's note, so are the other teams done after week 14 then?  Just 6 teams play after week 14?