http://endofamerica.com/219424.html?gclid=CMm73Pzoz74CFcxZ7AodLioAlg

I know that I maaaaay have messed up many upon many times, and I aaaammm only 14... but this is seriously legit. This presentation from some guy (I did the research) who predicted the fall of many companies as well as the inflation of 2008 has gone over some more info about dollars. Apparently, by printing paper money America has bought trillions of dollars worth of stuff without paying because countries around the world are rejecting it. Now you can go and say the government hasn't said anything about these negative effects, but how many honest politicians do you know? This video contains actual proof the U.S. dollar will fall and everyone is neglecting the punishments of losing their currency, but also says how to help yourself out.

Also I'm watching this over to make sure, it's pretty long and you have to watch the whole thing. There are precautions to take before July when these methods get expensive beyond belief. And apparently it still helps your income even if this problem won't happen for some stupid miracle or another.
 First, getcho money outta here. the U.S. government will try and seize everything they can, so you can easily move somewhere else. Also there are ways you can do this without needing government permission.
Second, buy as much gold and silver as you can.
Many countries have long valued gold and silver as a non-renewable source of currency. Because you know, being able to make infinite money was sorta cheating and what got us here in the first place. Silver is cheaper now, but we may be able to flip the tables making silver more valuable. Of course I can't post EVERYTHING here, I have to hurry with this. Go and be sure to watch that video and take notes.
Third, and fourth are kinda discreet, the guy wants you to subscribe or something but it could help.

Ok, whether or not it happens is up to you, but if it does happen, and we end up losing our investments and stuff, we'll all be screwed.

Mecha Leo :

I'd like to say that you're wrong.

But it's true.

Debt does not just disappear.

I did some research about the guy behind it all, Stanberry. He's known to deliberately manipulate the public for his own benefit. There's an interesting court case in 2002 if you care to look it up. Basically the judge ruled that he was knowingly making false statements and he lost that one.

If you check out the video there's absolutely no way to verify any of his claims unless you're a paid subscriber yourself. No way to verify the numbers or anything he says.

If you follow him and get screwed, he'll protect himself with a first amendment argument like he's done in the past.

From what I've read elsewhere, the bill itself is meant to close tax loopholes (AKA - those hiding money from the IRS in other countries). Can it have negative effects? Yes, just like any other bill. Will it affect you? Probably not, unless you keep money in foreign banks.

I gave up about 45 minutes in. The guy just keep repeating himself and I got sick of it.

Can someone sum it up for me please?

I didn't have to listen to an hour plus of this guy telling the date and little facts over and over again to get the message. I can see the value go down tremendously, and we might go into another intense depression, and there isn't much we can do at this point, but hope the money doesn't fall out of our pockets.

tgags123 : "RUN FOR YOUR LIVES! THIS BILL THAT YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WILL END AMERICA! I'M CREDIBLE BECAUSE I PREDICTED THINGS! CHANGE ALL YOUR MONEY TO PRECIOUS METALS TO EXPLOIT THE LOOPHOLE IN THIS BILL! YOU CAN VERIFY NOTHING I SAY BECAUSE THIS IS ALL A MARKETING PLOY! BECOME A PAID SUBSCRIBER!"

tgags123 :

It's pretty much what a lot of us have always known. Debt keeps climbing, and the government can't pay it off.

I guess that he was leading up to something that I might not have known about, but I did not have the time to hear it all. I have a lot of faith in this guy, and yeah, there are naysayers. So be it. People believe whatever they want to believe and then call you stupid for not agreeing with them. So be it.

It's just common sense.

Government debt = economy collapse. Irregardless of what people want to believe. He was right quite a few times about stuff. in fact he says that Obama will remain president beyond a standard second term, through martial law. And some other stuff. This guy is right, even without his credibility though regarding the economy collapse. The thing is the Christians have been saying that the Economy will collapse again in 2015. Mark my words. something will happen in 2015. It's God's judgement for not doing as he says, in many ways.

I honestly didn't watch the whole thing, but if you start to watch it, then leave the page, it prompts for you to stay, and you can choose to stay and it will bring you to a page where you can scroll through the whole thing, and get to the bottom, does that help?

pacman1755 :

I've known this for a while too.

Sword legion : By any chance, do you have that link? It would be nice to check out everything he said in its entirety.

Also, the question isn't whether economic collapse is imminent, but whether it will happen due to this bill.

Here's a link to a very similar video he published in 2010. Called "End of America" no less. Well, it's 2014 and we haven't ended yet, so he decided to make a new one. I'm pretty sure in 2018 (or sooner) we'll see another one of his videos xP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI-BIVWlc7A

Start at 1:13:48. Yep that video is incredibly long like this one. Keep watching. Within a minute the goal becomes clear. The whole entire 77 minute video was an extremely elaborate infomercial.

Also take a look at 1:11:22. More infomercially stuff. (I'm curious as to whether he's intentionally trying to inflate the price of gold, but that's not exactly relevant)

Title V of the HR 2847 does appear to be terribly inefficient. But it's not nearly bad enough to "end America as we know it". Whether or not economic collapse is imminent is debatable, but it won't be due to this bill. It just seems like he's being purposefully deceitful in this case.

Economically, chances are that the initial implementation of this bill WILL have an short run effect on the dollar. He's trying to take advantage of that to increase his paying-subscriber count, it seems.

There's a lot of bills implemented that were predicted to ruin America. The effects of those were overblown. This one is no different. As someone out to make money, he's just trying to take advantage of that.

At the end of the day, he is a businessman who stands to gain a lot from this, so it might be best to take his word with a grain of salt.

Anyway, it was fun to delve deep into this stuff.

The U.S. dollar is widely recognized as some of the hardest cash available in the world.  It simply won't devalue overnight.  On the 2nd of the month, I'll come back to this board and say, "See?  Told you."  

That's not how world economics work.  You don't just automatically deflate the value of a currency overnight.  Worst case scenario takes months and everything has to be going wrong.  Developing countries and places with nation-wide strife and war and famine can devalue over a few months.  The American dollar won't do anything.

This guy is doing a sales pitch and a commercial for commodities like gold and silver.  It is an hour advertisement.

America isn't screwed, though the people running it not caring about the huge debt they have had for years are despicable. America has two parties, the republicans who have bad ideas and the democrats who have NO ideas. Nothing will change for quite some times.

Is this what Americans have come to? Blaming the government for everything? Somethings can be solved on your own, like a job. THERE ARE PLENTY. Now it is what price ranges that matter, but money is money. People can blame Obama as much as they want, but til 2016 he's our president, and we just have to make the best of it. Sure, there is debt, sure it'll take more than three more generations to pay off the debt to China. Yeah, there is the possibility of another economic depression. HOWEVER, maybe if we make the best of the situation these things will be less stressful, eh? I got a partime job at a music store and I send my paycheck which is only like $140 a month, to my mother. I make the best of the situation, even when things are tight with money.
   So people need to stop whining about how bad America has gotten and suck it up. Imagine if Putin was leading us, probably  be slightly worse. 
Another thing is, every president takes the heat for everything, so to say one president is worse than the other is sorta absurd to me, with a few exceptions. My biggest pet peeve is people blaming their leader for THEIR issues.

Mecha Leo : this souns like you actually clicked on an ad and listened to it

EideticMemory :

No, that bill won't cause the end of America.

I don't think that he's saying that.


Like I said, People will believe what they want to believe, and you can find a skeleton in anyone's closet if you look, or you can just put a fake one there. But that didn't stop Obama from the getting reelected did it? No, cause people believe what they want to believe. And they hate anyone who tells of impending doom. But historically, not everyone prophesying impeding doom was wrong. You just have to look at it and use common sense. We know what's going on with this debt. It's over. The U.S owes way to much money. An economy collapse is not likely, it's inevitable.
A spider web is upheld by several threads, all of these bills make contributing factors to the end of America as we know it, but the main one is this debt. Debt doesn't disappear.  And what happened to Britain is happening to America. No, it's won't change overnight, it'll be a slow change, but in the end, we'll end up in the same place as Britain. Common sense. But I'm not going to bother posting that again here to a bunch of people who don't care about reality. If we can shine it up and make it look pretty, then it's all good. But hey, look, even democrats are scared over this massive debt. I appreciate the polite mindset that you responded to my post with, it was better than your first. But I am done here. The rooster crows, but chickens don't hatch. Instead they play.

kibmanboogle: You have to look into things to be sure. Yeah, it's a pain, but you never know till you check things out. Otherwise you can be mislead.

Sword legion : That's my point. even IF this happens to not be as bad theres a good chance it could. think about it, a good chunk of people use ONLY PRINTED OR CREDIT MONEY. And yes, I am fully aware he's taking advantage of us, but he IS a multi millionaire after all. If you realized some evil organization might release some toxic gas into the atmosphere and no one believed you, wouldn't you start buying tons of gas masks early to start selling to people for 10 times their retail?

I did not post that video without reason. IN 2010, he claimed America would end within 12-18 months. He was wrong. He got a lot of subscribers, though, which was his goal.

I mean, he screwed over his payers in 2002 and revealed his immoral shark tactics. He screwed people over again in 2010 with the same plea to convert your money to gold.

And now, he's at it again.

He's a businessman who keeps crying wolf to get money. He plays on your deepest fears. At some point we just have to discredit his doomsday pitches.

Sword legion :

No, that bill won't cause the end of America. I don't think that he's saying that.

Except that's exactly what he's saying. He tries to distract by bringing up other topics, but he did give a date and not without reason. July 1st, 2014. That's when Title V of HR 2847 goes active, which he says will end America, which you said yourself it won't. I know you said that you were out, but as an ending note we actually agree on the topic at hand.

Mecha Leo : Read above

Y'know what I'm reminded of right now?  An idiot who pulled this kind of thing in a different forum.  It had nothing to do with space or energy, but he just had to post on two different threads how there wasn't enough petroleum left on the planet to sustain car use for five more years, and we would be SCREWED if we-that's everybody on the entire planet-didn't immediately regress to Amish standards so all nonrenewable fuels could be used by the space program to find meteors, pull them into a stationary low-Earth orbit and set up facilities for mining their plentiful uranium and shipping it down here. 

There are a lot of problems with that, but I'll ignore the technical and societal ones for a single dead obvious one:  meteors are not known for having plentiful quantities of any heavy elements.  Every one of them having a large uranium core is right out.  Anybody with even the most basic knowledge of how planets form would be able to tell you that.  I could have told you that in sixth grade.  But this utter moron got shown a scary conspiracy site and his immediate reaction was to rush off to all his online haunts and sound the alarm bell.  When he failed to get panicky responses, because people were apathetic about it or knew it was stupid?  He started trying to argue against every conflicting opinion with purely emotional reasons, largely the accusation that we were all too stupid to face facts if we could cover our ears and live in comforting illusion.  Guess what?  He was ranting in 2000, and last I checked we didn't run out of fossil fuels in 2005.

Yes, we should be concerned about the national debt.  It's a critical problem, has been critical for decades, and hasn't gotten much attention from the government types because they'd rather fund porkbarrel projects that secure their reelections.  You should worry about it, and maybe try to push for budget reform in some way that's visible to the politicians-say, a petition within your city or county.  Scaremongering on an internet site isn't the answer.  ESPECIALLY not when your only available answers come from a sleazy scam artist.