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Why are atheists so frowned upon in society?

 

07-04-14 11:41 AM
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*DISCLAIMER: When I say Atheists in this post, I am not talking about all Atheists.*

The reason Atheism is frowned upon is simple. It is not because they don't believe in God. That is your choice and no one has a problem with what you do/don't believe in. The reason people don't like Atheists is because they are so annoying about it. I know that not all Atheists are like that. But like 20% of them are, and they set a bad example for the rest of you guys and make everyone think that all Atheists are that ignorant and intolerant. I have heard more Atheists talking bad about Christianity and calling all Christians idiots and dumbasses and stuff like that than I have heard Christians talking bad about Atheists. Atheists (Again, not all Atheists. Just the ignorant ones) are always complaining about people trying to convert them. Meanwhile, I have heard more Atheists trying to convert Christians than the other way around.

Here is the bottom line: Atheists have a bad name because of this 20 or so percent of them that are complete asses. They have a bad name because they (the 20%) are so intolerant of other people's beliefs. I don't have a problem with you because you are an Atheist. But if you are THAT kind of Atheist, then I have a problem with you.
*DISCLAIMER: When I say Atheists in this post, I am not talking about all Atheists.*

The reason Atheism is frowned upon is simple. It is not because they don't believe in God. That is your choice and no one has a problem with what you do/don't believe in. The reason people don't like Atheists is because they are so annoying about it. I know that not all Atheists are like that. But like 20% of them are, and they set a bad example for the rest of you guys and make everyone think that all Atheists are that ignorant and intolerant. I have heard more Atheists talking bad about Christianity and calling all Christians idiots and dumbasses and stuff like that than I have heard Christians talking bad about Atheists. Atheists (Again, not all Atheists. Just the ignorant ones) are always complaining about people trying to convert them. Meanwhile, I have heard more Atheists trying to convert Christians than the other way around.

Here is the bottom line: Atheists have a bad name because of this 20 or so percent of them that are complete asses. They have a bad name because they (the 20%) are so intolerant of other people's beliefs. I don't have a problem with you because you are an Atheist. But if you are THAT kind of Atheist, then I have a problem with you.
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tgags123 : I do not no where you have been, but if I even so much as start talking about Atheism in a Christian community in real life, I get jeers, and people tell me that I am going to hell, or they try to convert me to whatever their ridiculous sect is. I am not even an Atheist, and this happens. Christians and others from ANY religion do the same stuff just as much. The majority of people I know that are Atheists are more tolerant than any of the religious people I know, again, in real life, so you must only be seeing the bad part of the communities. Also, your second sentence after your disclaimer is downright incorrect. That is one of the primary reasons people frown upon Atheists. People hate on others who have different beliefs or are just plain different. Have a few examples: Crusades, 9/11, The Holocaust. 20% also seems a bit ridiculous, but I guess I can buy it because there are a lot of intolerant and angry people everywhere. 
tgags123 : I do not no where you have been, but if I even so much as start talking about Atheism in a Christian community in real life, I get jeers, and people tell me that I am going to hell, or they try to convert me to whatever their ridiculous sect is. I am not even an Atheist, and this happens. Christians and others from ANY religion do the same stuff just as much. The majority of people I know that are Atheists are more tolerant than any of the religious people I know, again, in real life, so you must only be seeing the bad part of the communities. Also, your second sentence after your disclaimer is downright incorrect. That is one of the primary reasons people frown upon Atheists. People hate on others who have different beliefs or are just plain different. Have a few examples: Crusades, 9/11, The Holocaust. 20% also seems a bit ridiculous, but I guess I can buy it because there are a lot of intolerant and angry people everywhere. 
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sop281 : I have come in contact with many Atheists. It is always like that. I have NEVER seen a Christian try to convert an Atheist, but I see Atheists hating on Christians quite often. I am not sure if the 20% is accurate, but out of all the people that I have met that I know to be Atheists, it is around 30% that act that way. I said 20% because I assumed there are people that I know that are Atheists, but I don't know that they are. Again, from what I have seen, Atheists tend to be less tolerant than others and that is why they have a bad name. But this could be skewed based on where I live, what websites I go on, and stuff like that.

Just want to say I am technically a Christian, but I am not really religious at all. I believe that there is a God (or there was at some point), but I really don't know what else I believe. I am really more Agnostic.
sop281 : I have come in contact with many Atheists. It is always like that. I have NEVER seen a Christian try to convert an Atheist, but I see Atheists hating on Christians quite often. I am not sure if the 20% is accurate, but out of all the people that I have met that I know to be Atheists, it is around 30% that act that way. I said 20% because I assumed there are people that I know that are Atheists, but I don't know that they are. Again, from what I have seen, Atheists tend to be less tolerant than others and that is why they have a bad name. But this could be skewed based on where I live, what websites I go on, and stuff like that.

Just want to say I am technically a Christian, but I am not really religious at all. I believe that there is a God (or there was at some point), but I really don't know what else I believe. I am really more Agnostic.
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tgags123 : I agree with you here. I've never actually seen or heard a Christian try and convert an Atheist. I've seen them debate occasionally but that's completely harmless. I have however known Atheists personally who try and prove religion wrong. I'm not saying all Atheists do this at all. It's just the minority who are just ignorant. But not all Atheists are like that and I have no problem with them either at all. You believe what you want to believe.
tgags123 : I agree with you here. I've never actually seen or heard a Christian try and convert an Atheist. I've seen them debate occasionally but that's completely harmless. I have however known Atheists personally who try and prove religion wrong. I'm not saying all Atheists do this at all. It's just the minority who are just ignorant. But not all Atheists are like that and I have no problem with them either at all. You believe what you want to believe.
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The question is "Why are atheists so frowned upon in society?"

The answer is very, very simple. Because it is popular. Same reason why Christianity is bashed all the time, but Buddhism would never be treated the same way. It's popular. People do things. Sometimes, they really don't have an explanation to them.
The question is "Why are atheists so frowned upon in society?"

The answer is very, very simple. Because it is popular. Same reason why Christianity is bashed all the time, but Buddhism would never be treated the same way. It's popular. People do things. Sometimes, they really don't have an explanation to them.
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tgags123 : In all actuality, that could be said about any group. With My Little Pony you have the "cloppers" and with video games you have fanboys. The bad, even miniscule parts of a group will always make the rest look bad.

There's been many a time where somebody has tried to convert me back into Christianity. It happens. There's always gonna be bad people in a group. There's not unanimous love for Christians either. In fact, groups of people such as the Islamists and the Satanists would be bound to not like Christians. But since Christians are the majority, it comes off as though everybody feels this way. You step outside of the scope, and go to a place such as Iraq wearing an American flag on your backpack, you're not likely to get positive response because of what a small percentage of your population has done to those people.

So the answer to the question? Population. Uninformed. Mob mentality really.

1.1 billion people are part of Roman Catholicism alone. Add up the rest and compare that to the small amount of people that don't have a religion, and you'd see that the only reason its hated is because its different, and because those loud enough to speak about it aren't positive. You could say the same about other religions, other countries, and pretty much everything conceivable.

Since you're a fellow Vita owner, tgags, you must know the struggle of people always saying "Vita sucks" and "It has no games" etc. when you know yourself its not the case, when you know its not anywhere as bad as it truly is, because of its low sales, because of its niche, and you'd see nothing but praise for the 3DS by the same people. It is very much so a similar situation.

+1 tho

tgags123 : In all actuality, that could be said about any group. With My Little Pony you have the "cloppers" and with video games you have fanboys. The bad, even miniscule parts of a group will always make the rest look bad.

There's been many a time where somebody has tried to convert me back into Christianity. It happens. There's always gonna be bad people in a group. There's not unanimous love for Christians either. In fact, groups of people such as the Islamists and the Satanists would be bound to not like Christians. But since Christians are the majority, it comes off as though everybody feels this way. You step outside of the scope, and go to a place such as Iraq wearing an American flag on your backpack, you're not likely to get positive response because of what a small percentage of your population has done to those people.

So the answer to the question? Population. Uninformed. Mob mentality really.

1.1 billion people are part of Roman Catholicism alone. Add up the rest and compare that to the small amount of people that don't have a religion, and you'd see that the only reason its hated is because its different, and because those loud enough to speak about it aren't positive. You could say the same about other religions, other countries, and pretty much everything conceivable.

Since you're a fellow Vita owner, tgags, you must know the struggle of people always saying "Vita sucks" and "It has no games" etc. when you know yourself its not the case, when you know its not anywhere as bad as it truly is, because of its low sales, because of its niche, and you'd see nothing but praise for the 3DS by the same people. It is very much so a similar situation.

+1 tho

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Christianity, in all its various denominations, make up about 78% of the religious beliefs in the United States (source, 2007). According to that survey, 6.3% of Americans identify as secular, 2.4% identify as agnostic, and 1.6% as atheists. That means just about 10% of this country doubts the existence of a deity.

If you put ten random Americans in a room to talk about religion, odds are that one will be an atheist, one will be a member of a minority religion (e.g. Islam, Judaism, etc)... and eight of them will be Christians. Think of how hard it is to make your opinions not only heard, but recognized, when you are one person in a room where the other nine think you are crazy for not believing in the one thing that's keeping you from burning in eternal hellfire. It's not a whole lot different putting ten people in a room and deciding what to have for dinner. One wants spaghetti, one wants enchiladas, and the other eight people all want hamburgers. Guess what's gonna be for dinner?

There isn't enough diversity in faiths and opinions. When one idea is so commonly accepted that a Christian can walk down a city street, pass someone else and say "God has blessed us with another beautiful day" and the other person feels the same way (not just idly agreeing with them to avoid a religious argument with a stranger), that is when we have a problem.

But, let's say, for the sake of argument, that this country was 25% atheistic, and the remaining 75% was split among other religions, let's say 25% Christian, 25% Hindu, 25% Muslim. No religion (or lack thereof) holds any majority in this scenario; all groups are equal. In such a scenario, that's still three-quarters that believe in a deity (or multiple), and one-quarter who does not. At least the Christians, Hindus, and Muslims all have some points at which they can agree. They all worship, they all believe in an afterlife, and they all have holy texts of which their religion dictates that they follow to some degree. The atheist does not adhere to these notions and ways of life. So even if Christians were *not* the majority in the United States, as long as any combined group of theistic people outweighs the number of nontheistic people, Atheists (and humanists, secularists, etc, whatever your label is, I'm just using Atheism as a blanket term here) are going to feel obscure because they are the one and only group who does *not* believe in the existence of deities.

When you put people together who all believe the same thing, a deity, regardless of which deity in particular, it begins to be accepted as fact. Then when you put people in that society who challenge this notion, the religious will see it as challenging a fact, an act of insanity. That is why atheists are frowned upon in the United States, and in many other parts of the world. We're seen as lunatics, betting our souls in a dangerous gamble that they all think we can't win. Until a day comes, if it ever comes, that atheism holds the majority over ALL deistic religions, a 51% majority, then we will continue to be seen this way.
Christianity, in all its various denominations, make up about 78% of the religious beliefs in the United States (source, 2007). According to that survey, 6.3% of Americans identify as secular, 2.4% identify as agnostic, and 1.6% as atheists. That means just about 10% of this country doubts the existence of a deity.

If you put ten random Americans in a room to talk about religion, odds are that one will be an atheist, one will be a member of a minority religion (e.g. Islam, Judaism, etc)... and eight of them will be Christians. Think of how hard it is to make your opinions not only heard, but recognized, when you are one person in a room where the other nine think you are crazy for not believing in the one thing that's keeping you from burning in eternal hellfire. It's not a whole lot different putting ten people in a room and deciding what to have for dinner. One wants spaghetti, one wants enchiladas, and the other eight people all want hamburgers. Guess what's gonna be for dinner?

There isn't enough diversity in faiths and opinions. When one idea is so commonly accepted that a Christian can walk down a city street, pass someone else and say "God has blessed us with another beautiful day" and the other person feels the same way (not just idly agreeing with them to avoid a religious argument with a stranger), that is when we have a problem.

But, let's say, for the sake of argument, that this country was 25% atheistic, and the remaining 75% was split among other religions, let's say 25% Christian, 25% Hindu, 25% Muslim. No religion (or lack thereof) holds any majority in this scenario; all groups are equal. In such a scenario, that's still three-quarters that believe in a deity (or multiple), and one-quarter who does not. At least the Christians, Hindus, and Muslims all have some points at which they can agree. They all worship, they all believe in an afterlife, and they all have holy texts of which their religion dictates that they follow to some degree. The atheist does not adhere to these notions and ways of life. So even if Christians were *not* the majority in the United States, as long as any combined group of theistic people outweighs the number of nontheistic people, Atheists (and humanists, secularists, etc, whatever your label is, I'm just using Atheism as a blanket term here) are going to feel obscure because they are the one and only group who does *not* believe in the existence of deities.

When you put people together who all believe the same thing, a deity, regardless of which deity in particular, it begins to be accepted as fact. Then when you put people in that society who challenge this notion, the religious will see it as challenging a fact, an act of insanity. That is why atheists are frowned upon in the United States, and in many other parts of the world. We're seen as lunatics, betting our souls in a dangerous gamble that they all think we can't win. Until a day comes, if it ever comes, that atheism holds the majority over ALL deistic religions, a 51% majority, then we will continue to be seen this way.
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Non religion is "against the politically robot USA controlled correct norm" No offense I know some great Christians, but I don't want to  be "saved" I was never particularly religious, but I believed and over time it just faded away... But really, because we don't believe in bronze age standards and some magical deity created earth a couple thousand years ago apparently makes us evil Satan worshippers.
Non religion is "against the politically robot USA controlled correct norm" No offense I know some great Christians, but I don't want to  be "saved" I was never particularly religious, but I believed and over time it just faded away... But really, because we don't believe in bronze age standards and some magical deity created earth a couple thousand years ago apparently makes us evil Satan worshippers.
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Cradily is love :

Christianity is the bad guy, yet it's fine to stereotype and insult it's members? Also, if you honestly think that a religion simply "believe(s) in bronze age standards and some magical deity created earth a couple thousand years ago", you are throwing your insults at something you've created in your own imagination.
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Christianity is the bad guy, yet it's fine to stereotype and insult it's members? Also, if you honestly think that a religion simply "believe(s) in bronze age standards and some magical deity created earth a couple thousand years ago", you are throwing your insults at something you've created in your own imagination.
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Txgangsta : I'm sure you'd like me to feed you , keep spewing your "arguments" at me and I'll just take them a like a cradily.
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Cradily is love :

I didn't give an argument. I simply criticized you.
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I didn't give an argument. I simply criticized you.
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Txgangsta:

I think both of you need to back off of each other. Not only in this thread, but in the other one where you've been at each other's throats as well. I've only seen the two threads, but this applies to any others you might be butting heads in. Threads like this are meant for intelligent discussion, not belittling the opposing view.
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Txgangsta:

I think both of you need to back off of each other. Not only in this thread, but in the other one where you've been at each other's throats as well. I've only seen the two threads, but this applies to any others you might be butting heads in. Threads like this are meant for intelligent discussion, not belittling the opposing view.
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Singelli : I don't mean to argue, but I pointed out to him that I'm not gonna argue with him, in both threads, I appreciate your concern for an otherwise great thread though.
Singelli : I don't mean to argue, but I pointed out to him that I'm not gonna argue with him, in both threads, I appreciate your concern for an otherwise great thread though.
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Lemme preface this by saying that I believe in a higher power, but I'm against organized religion on the premise that it's a political ploy to gain power.

To answer your question, look back to early man. We had no explanation for, well, anything. Because we didn't have the technology to figure it out, we came up with theories. These tended to revolve around "some power that knows more than us". Some people believed this to be false, but many more believed that they were wrong. The people that believed in the higher power did what most people who decide that they're right do in a group, they attack the minority and made them a bad group. Because this was before the modern mindset, it was okay. 

So for thousands of years, people believed in this higher power. Different people wanted to worship it differently and call it different names. They didn't like each other, but atheists were hated most of all.

Why were they hated? Well, first, look back to your childhood. Remember the oh-so-original "my dad can beat up your dad" fight? Our parents were the best approximation we had to a God. They took loved us, sheltered us, fed us, and we lived in fear of their rage. Sound familiar? Now how did you feel when you were first told that your parents weren't perfect and in charge of the world? Kind of on par with the Santa thing.

That's the reasoning. No one likes having the core of their existence questioned. Religion and spirituality are huge factors in our lives. We live our lives by a moral code created in order to get into an afterlife. If that didn't exist, what do we have? We have literally nothing, because our lives were lies and our future after death is unknown. 


Atheists are frowned on in society because they're literally a wild card. Jews believe that after death, they'll go to their afterlife. They're covered as long as they bow down to this higher power. Christians took it farther, and added in that if they weren't perfect in their worship and life, they'd be thrown into a torture realm for eternity. I'm not sure about the Islamic faith, if I understand, they believe that if they go to heaven they will live in paradise and if they go to hell, they'll be punished for their transgressions until the punishment is up and they're sent to paradise.

Atheists, to a religious person, could either be completely wrong and they're going to hell, or right and the religious person is wrong. As I explained, they can't handle that. A code you've lived your life by is not easily broken.
Lemme preface this by saying that I believe in a higher power, but I'm against organized religion on the premise that it's a political ploy to gain power.

To answer your question, look back to early man. We had no explanation for, well, anything. Because we didn't have the technology to figure it out, we came up with theories. These tended to revolve around "some power that knows more than us". Some people believed this to be false, but many more believed that they were wrong. The people that believed in the higher power did what most people who decide that they're right do in a group, they attack the minority and made them a bad group. Because this was before the modern mindset, it was okay. 

So for thousands of years, people believed in this higher power. Different people wanted to worship it differently and call it different names. They didn't like each other, but atheists were hated most of all.

Why were they hated? Well, first, look back to your childhood. Remember the oh-so-original "my dad can beat up your dad" fight? Our parents were the best approximation we had to a God. They took loved us, sheltered us, fed us, and we lived in fear of their rage. Sound familiar? Now how did you feel when you were first told that your parents weren't perfect and in charge of the world? Kind of on par with the Santa thing.

That's the reasoning. No one likes having the core of their existence questioned. Religion and spirituality are huge factors in our lives. We live our lives by a moral code created in order to get into an afterlife. If that didn't exist, what do we have? We have literally nothing, because our lives were lies and our future after death is unknown. 


Atheists are frowned on in society because they're literally a wild card. Jews believe that after death, they'll go to their afterlife. They're covered as long as they bow down to this higher power. Christians took it farther, and added in that if they weren't perfect in their worship and life, they'd be thrown into a torture realm for eternity. I'm not sure about the Islamic faith, if I understand, they believe that if they go to heaven they will live in paradise and if they go to hell, they'll be punished for their transgressions until the punishment is up and they're sent to paradise.

Atheists, to a religious person, could either be completely wrong and they're going to hell, or right and the religious person is wrong. As I explained, they can't handle that. A code you've lived your life by is not easily broken.
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sop281 : Actually the holocast was caused by a lot of different factors, but there are two major ones that come to mind

1 People believed the lie that the Jews killed Jesus. Yet, it was a part of a group of Jews that asked Pontius Pilate to kill Jesus. The Romans asked a part of the Jews, and a part of the Jews condemned him.

But, Pontius Pilate could have called it off at any point in time.

2 The Jews, as believed by Adolf Hitler, were said to be the lowest of all human beings because they were the closest to apes. Hence, Adolf Hitler wished to remove them from the world. He also believed that it was the job of the strong to trample the weak.


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Actually, the whole idea of "powers that know more than us are why we are here" is coming back. There is a big push for this idea on the history channel. It's called, "Ancient aliens" I honestly think it's kinda silly though since we then have to answer how the aliens came to be. where they made by other aliens? possibly. And if a day ever came where aliens did turn out to be the reason. Could we trust what they would have to say about morality and religion? Would we be able to even understand, or test their concepts to be true?

Just a weird futuristic thought. XD

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Regarding this thread I would have to agree with Tgags.

It is the reason essentially that every group is hated.

BUT.

It is also because some people cannot tolerate the idea of others running around believing things that are so different to our own beliefs. Tolerance is good, until the other belief becomes a threat. I would also like to point out that religion, does cause wars.

But so does money.

And land.

Wars are caused for various reasons, but that does not make religion, money, or land evil in the least.

The lack of a belief in God also (CAN) cause certain violent beliefs. Look at how many lawbreakers turned out to not believe in God. It is because without moral accountability, more things become acceptable. Where does right and wrong come from without God? It comes from ourselves.

And how do we know if anything is right or wrong?

In the end, I think that all we have is science, which helps a lot actually. And all humans wish to find fullfillment. Some, in their long study of science find it. Others do not.

I have no problems with someone who does not believe that a God exists- so long he isn't going to do anything to me, or a bystander because if it. I have my rights, and they have theirs.

sop281 : Actually the holocast was caused by a lot of different factors, but there are two major ones that come to mind

1 People believed the lie that the Jews killed Jesus. Yet, it was a part of a group of Jews that asked Pontius Pilate to kill Jesus. The Romans asked a part of the Jews, and a part of the Jews condemned him.

But, Pontius Pilate could have called it off at any point in time.

2 The Jews, as believed by Adolf Hitler, were said to be the lowest of all human beings because they were the closest to apes. Hence, Adolf Hitler wished to remove them from the world. He also believed that it was the job of the strong to trample the weak.


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momoisme :

Actually, the whole idea of "powers that know more than us are why we are here" is coming back. There is a big push for this idea on the history channel. It's called, "Ancient aliens" I honestly think it's kinda silly though since we then have to answer how the aliens came to be. where they made by other aliens? possibly. And if a day ever came where aliens did turn out to be the reason. Could we trust what they would have to say about morality and religion? Would we be able to even understand, or test their concepts to be true?

Just a weird futuristic thought. XD

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Regarding this thread I would have to agree with Tgags.

It is the reason essentially that every group is hated.

BUT.

It is also because some people cannot tolerate the idea of others running around believing things that are so different to our own beliefs. Tolerance is good, until the other belief becomes a threat. I would also like to point out that religion, does cause wars.

But so does money.

And land.

Wars are caused for various reasons, but that does not make religion, money, or land evil in the least.

The lack of a belief in God also (CAN) cause certain violent beliefs. Look at how many lawbreakers turned out to not believe in God. It is because without moral accountability, more things become acceptable. Where does right and wrong come from without God? It comes from ourselves.

And how do we know if anything is right or wrong?

In the end, I think that all we have is science, which helps a lot actually. And all humans wish to find fullfillment. Some, in their long study of science find it. Others do not.

I have no problems with someone who does not believe that a God exists- so long he isn't going to do anything to me, or a bystander because if it. I have my rights, and they have theirs.

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I think it seems that way because the religious types are simply more...vocal. I've met plenty of atheist (I suppose I identify somewhere between atheist and agnostic) and possibly just as many as I've met religious people.....and I live in Texas.
I think it seems that way because the religious types are simply more...vocal. I've met plenty of atheist (I suppose I identify somewhere between atheist and agnostic) and possibly just as many as I've met religious people.....and I live in Texas.
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thenumberone : How is it unfortunate that democracy allows different opinions? That's ridiculous.

As to the original question perhaps that lady thought that you meant Satanist when you said you were Atheist if sacrificing animals and killing kids came up. The general dislike to atheist tends to come from the condescending ones that would say things like the Bible is full of fairy tales or try to get rid of community events that have something to do with religion just because. Most religious people would find those offensive. Also when Christian people try to convert you they are trying to save you. Their goal is to literally save your soul. You trying to convert Christians to Atheism would then be looked at as the exact opposite. Why do you think they view it as not okay? It would be like you trying to lead them astray or burst their bubble.
thenumberone : How is it unfortunate that democracy allows different opinions? That's ridiculous.

As to the original question perhaps that lady thought that you meant Satanist when you said you were Atheist if sacrificing animals and killing kids came up. The general dislike to atheist tends to come from the condescending ones that would say things like the Bible is full of fairy tales or try to get rid of community events that have something to do with religion just because. Most religious people would find those offensive. Also when Christian people try to convert you they are trying to save you. Their goal is to literally save your soul. You trying to convert Christians to Atheism would then be looked at as the exact opposite. Why do you think they view it as not okay? It would be like you trying to lead them astray or burst their bubble.
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Its called satire
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Regarding Atheism:

     I don't think that anyone should hold anyone else's personal beliefs against them, regardless of their beliefs. If you choose not to believe in something, that's on you. You have to put your head on your pillow every night. If you think that your beliefs are correct, good for you! I wish you nothing but good things in this life. 

Regarding Religion:

     I don't think that anyone should hold anyone else's personal beliefs against them, regardless of their beliefs. If you choose to believe in a supreme being(s), that's on you. You have to put your head on your pillow every night. If you think that your beliefs are correct, good for you! I wish you nothing but good things in this life. 

Here's the rub.
  
   When people start pushing their opinions, beliefs, morals(?) on anyone not believing what THEY believe, well then they're dead wrong. Maybe not wrong in their beliefs (NOT ONE of us will know that until we're dead), BUT WRONG IN THEIR BULLYING THEIR POSITION!

   Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong? Why is it so occupyingly  offensive to you that I believe what I believe? So much so that you're going to begrudge me, shun me, get angry, call me names, harass, threaten violence , attempt to take my life (bring your lunch, kid... it'll be a long day for ya...) ????

   My bottom line here, is believe what you want. Believe in whatever makes you happy. Whatever makes you sleep well at night. BUT keep your opinions to yourself if you can't accept what someone else believes. Christian, Agnostic, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Head of lettuce worshiper, whatever you choose to believe or DON'T believe. 
   
   In America, men and women throughout our history DIED to protect the right to believe anything you want. Respect them like you would yourselves. Respect the beliefs of others. You sure as hell don't have to agree with them. But who are you to push anything onto anyone else?

   Yes, I was raised in my faith. Yes I believe in God. That's my opinion, my belief, my faith. 

   You don't like it? Tough rocks. 

   I respect what you believe. I always have and always will. 

   
Regarding Atheism:

     I don't think that anyone should hold anyone else's personal beliefs against them, regardless of their beliefs. If you choose not to believe in something, that's on you. You have to put your head on your pillow every night. If you think that your beliefs are correct, good for you! I wish you nothing but good things in this life. 

Regarding Religion:

     I don't think that anyone should hold anyone else's personal beliefs against them, regardless of their beliefs. If you choose to believe in a supreme being(s), that's on you. You have to put your head on your pillow every night. If you think that your beliefs are correct, good for you! I wish you nothing but good things in this life. 

Here's the rub.
  
   When people start pushing their opinions, beliefs, morals(?) on anyone not believing what THEY believe, well then they're dead wrong. Maybe not wrong in their beliefs (NOT ONE of us will know that until we're dead), BUT WRONG IN THEIR BULLYING THEIR POSITION!

   Who are you to tell me that I'm wrong? Why is it so occupyingly  offensive to you that I believe what I believe? So much so that you're going to begrudge me, shun me, get angry, call me names, harass, threaten violence , attempt to take my life (bring your lunch, kid... it'll be a long day for ya...) ????

   My bottom line here, is believe what you want. Believe in whatever makes you happy. Whatever makes you sleep well at night. BUT keep your opinions to yourself if you can't accept what someone else believes. Christian, Agnostic, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Head of lettuce worshiper, whatever you choose to believe or DON'T believe. 
   
   In America, men and women throughout our history DIED to protect the right to believe anything you want. Respect them like you would yourselves. Respect the beliefs of others. You sure as hell don't have to agree with them. But who are you to push anything onto anyone else?

   Yes, I was raised in my faith. Yes I believe in God. That's my opinion, my belief, my faith. 

   You don't like it? Tough rocks. 

   I respect what you believe. I always have and always will. 

   
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sop281 : The Holocaust is closer to bad atheism than bad Christianity. I say closer because Hitler only "used" Chrtistianity till the Pope made him angry then made Catholics fodder for the Holocaust.
The Holocaust if you are not aware was not just jews. It included the cripple/mentally handicapped, gypsies, then jews then other religious like Catholics.
People forget the others which is really weird. Now, I'll accept that no one likes gypsies (as they were known in the past to be thieves), but the others make no sense. handicapped people are still people that do no wrong. Why are they ignored when talking about the holocaust?!

But I digress.

I do tend to put atheist in their own religion category. I guess it would be better to have people say they are active atheist or passive atheist.
Those who try to convert others to atheism would be a better fit to active atheism because like any religion they have a set a beliefs and can convert others to them.
Those that don't care about god would fit passive.
sop281 : The Holocaust is closer to bad atheism than bad Christianity. I say closer because Hitler only "used" Chrtistianity till the Pope made him angry then made Catholics fodder for the Holocaust.
The Holocaust if you are not aware was not just jews. It included the cripple/mentally handicapped, gypsies, then jews then other religious like Catholics.
People forget the others which is really weird. Now, I'll accept that no one likes gypsies (as they were known in the past to be thieves), but the others make no sense. handicapped people are still people that do no wrong. Why are they ignored when talking about the holocaust?!

But I digress.

I do tend to put atheist in their own religion category. I guess it would be better to have people say they are active atheist or passive atheist.
Those who try to convert others to atheism would be a better fit to active atheism because like any religion they have a set a beliefs and can convert others to them.
Those that don't care about god would fit passive.
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