Barathemos : for obvious reasons, their would be more than one armed guard, and it would make more sense just to allow teachers to pack. on the note of being in favor of gun control as a result of a close person being harmed by one, let me tell you a short story from my old neighborhood, one night we were driving home, from where i cant seem to recall. we pulled into the driveway to the apartment complex we lived in, there was a white SUV parked sideways in the middle of the road and when we pulled in a guy bolted from the SUV and lost his shoe, the SUV then drove off in quite a hurry, and my dad took the shoe out on spite because he thought it was a drug deal. two or three days had passed and i called my friend, he then informed me that a few nights prior he was walking home and was abruptly pulled into a white SUV and a guy told him "give me your money!" he replied, "what? is this a joke?" the man then pulled out a gun and stuck it too his head, almost simultaneously as a car pulled in. he then jumped out of the SUV and ran for the tree line and lost his shoe on the way. in short, my friend was robbed at gun point in front of me. if it had not been for our timing, my friend could have been killed. and even though we were close, i would not be against firearms ownership even if he had been shot. it would have been his own fault for not investing time or money into a method of personal protection.

sop281 : just for clarity, what are the other 22 countries? i think you could rule out firearms ownership in china or north korea, but all of the murder committed there is done by the government.

m0ssb3rg935 : I will look it up, but it should be obvious enough. This is a list of the "developed" countries. Just check a list of the most recent G-20 summit attenders, and those are probably the majority of the countries following us in gun ownership. Also where are you getting off ruling out China and North Korea? North Korea, especially. They have a massive military, with many guns. 

sop281 : Obviously the country with the most guns will have the most gun-related murders. That is only logical. But if you look at the countries with the most crimes (both gun related and non-gun related) per capita, the UK is above the US. And the UK has banned guns completely. Also above the US are countries like New Zealand (which has very strict gun control), Finland (which has very VERY strict gun control), Denmark (which has very very VERY strict gun control), Chile (which has very very strict gun control), and Montserrat (which has very very very VERY strict gun control).

sop281 : when i say gun ownership im referring to civilian gun ownership. gun control in the military would be really stupid lol. then again, that does not stop every soldier in the Australian national guard from being patted down before they go to the barracks. i was also told by someone in Scotland that they have relatively strict gun control but have a ton of knifing. Same thing in china, lots of knife related murder.

tgags123 : Non-gun related crime is totally irrelevant. Why did you bring that up? Also, if I may bring up something: 
This is New Zealand: 
This is Denmark: 

I don't really feel like getting the others, but I checked all of the countries, and they had fewer gun deaths overall, as well as per capita/per 100,000 people, when compared to the United States. 

Here is the United States: 


Well, with the exception of Montserrat, but there are other factors involved there, and that was only per 100,000 people.  They have so few people there. That is also territory in the Caribbean, known for its high-levels of crime. You really can't even compare that with the United States at all. 

sop281 : Non-gun crime is completely relevant! That is why we need guns, to prevent those crimes! Rape is commonly a crime committed without a gun, but if someone tries to grab another person and attempt to rape them, they will think twice if that person has a gun. And if they still try to rape that person, a pull of the trigger will save that person from being raped. I am just using rape as an example, it applies to all crimes.

This video will help get my point across:

sop281 : the reason for non-gun related crime being relevant is that even if gun control works, non gun related crime will sky rocket. more and more people with each generation are losing any kind of a moral compass, and without ethics or morality the laws are just guidelines with repercussions when broken. that means that many more people are less inclined to follow the law because they have very little differentiation between right and wrong.

m0ssb3rg935 : Morals and ethics are subjective. However, I feel that it is quite the opposite. I feel as if people are actually gaining better morals than the olden days. Think of old-age wars, think of slavery, think of genocide, think of oppression, and think of what people did to the female sex, even. It is not exactly "good" yet, but they have definitely improved. 

In regards to your inclination to follow the law, I know quite a few people with guns who I simply can't trust. They are inexperienced, and are very trigger happy. It gives people too much power, and in many cases, they are people that no one wants to have power. I am not saying this is everybody, but there is a large portion of people who fit this description. 

tgags123 : Not all gang members are that fearful or inexperience. Remember that. In the case of rape though, I really don't see how the gun is going to help much. First off, you will likely have to conceal it, and it would likely make it difficult for the victim to get to. There is also the chance that the rapist could take the gun away from the victim, in which case, the victim is doubly-screwed. Mine also applies to all crimes. The odds are that the criminals are not always going to be inexperienced, and that the victims will have few situations where they are able to counter using a weapon. Fighting fire with fire is not exactly the best solution. 

sop281 : So what solution would you recommend? Calling the cops? They will not get there in time. The only way to defend yourself is to have a weapon on you.

tgags123 : Did I say weapon? Hmm. I simply mean for there to not be a gun. I feel as if a knife would suffice, or something blunt, such as a mace, or a large rock. Or even the spray, mace. There are also other weapons that are easier to conceal, and even a belt can be helpful when dealing with an aggressor. It just depends on how you use your surroundings to your advantage. 

sop281 : The only problem is that your knife or rock or belt will not stand a chance against the criminal's gun. (And yes, the criminal will still be able to get a gun even if they are illegal) It's like that old saying, "Bringing a knife to a gunfight."

tgags123 : If the criminal is close enough to rape/mug someone, the knife would totally be effective. It would definitely stand against the criminal's gun. Rocks are also extremely effective, as are belts. You just have to be quick enough. And not all criminals would be able to get guns. Take a look at Japan. Control something for long enough, and it goes away. We just have to crack down more on crime pertaining to related events. 

just here to sum it up folks, invent gun=gun crime, gun crime=gun ban, gun ban=knife crime, knife crime=knife ban, knife ban=(insert random blunt object here) crime, blunt object crime=blunt object ban, blunt object ban=arm and leg flailing, arm and leg flailing crime=people ban.

in short, control in this case is not the answer, the answer is smarter, more protected people, and really the only person that can protect you is your self. the gun is an equalizer.

m0ssb3rg935 : actually, the schools don't have to money to finance all of e teachers getting guns. Schools only get one armed guy. That is what has happened in our school system. We don't have the money to do all of that, and it would just be crazy.

sop281 :

You assume two things

1: What you found on the internet is trustworthy.

2: That gun control laws WILL keep criminals from getting a hold of a gun.

If that were true, lots of things wold be obsolete, but it never really goes away.

no.

I could care less for anything that you could find on the internet to prove a point as it can all be manipulated one way or another, hence people with different directives on reality and different opinions on factual things. Plus, a poll does not always consider why things are the way that they are, they only quote, (often) fudged numbers. There could be any number of reasons that in Japan gun crimes are down and gun control laws are higher. Perhaps gun crimes are higher here on account of other things than gun control laws, ie, lack of morality, to where as Japan is, (or was) more morally inclined than the American, "have it here and now" mentality. Don't worry though, Japanese culture has been steadily falling away from the commands of Noah that was once so engraved inside of it along with China, they are adopting the "have it here and now" mentality like wildfire.

Plus, they don't actually treat school shootings there as great movie making material. :/

The first line of defense and building of logic is what you conceive everyday.

If control really took stuff away then it would have worked by now, but I still see crimes happening in Japan.

I would suggest that there is another reason that we have the problems that we have here in the U.F.

http://kotaku.com/you-might-be-surprised-how-grand-theft-auto-v-did-in-ja-1558103625

There culture has it right as far as mortality, HEY, PARENTS AREN'T LETTING THEIR KIDS PLAY WHATEVER!! THEY'RE PLAYING POKEMON LIKE THEY SHOULD BE.

And that layout of yours.

That's not Japan.

That's Americanized Japan, as is a lot of more recent Anime.

s***ty gals flying naked on Chinese dragons- yipeee. Women are such playthings so highly elevated for our own pleasure. (and not theirs)

no

Japanese culture was always much more conservative, remembering their leige, and their idea of violence is not going around shooting cops and sleeping with women (treating them like dirt bags and playthings) to recover health.

Their idea of violence.

Was honor.

And perfection.

Honor to the man who put his life on the line to defend others.

Death to man who could not protect. . . his family.

Honor, in helping a fallen foe in front of you to die more easily by cutting off his head at his request, rather than leaving their corpse to die there mercilessly, paying no respect to their human dignity like in that one awful game that we're all thinking of. > : (

Do not try to pretend that you love Japanese culture, you know nothing about it's TRUE liege. 3

really? a rock against a gun?

wow.

I would totally rob a convenience store with a rock then if that was the case! 3

tgags123 : 

Hi five for pokemon. . .for once. XD

Barathemos; It costs 150 $ to buy a pistol, though I've found them (mass produced) selling as low as 49 $ two pistols per school, or even three would be easily affordable, plus, it's easier to give good guys guns then take guns from bad guys. XD

Sword legion :

1. It is trustworthy. Do not simply try to debase my argument with that tactic. Unless you don't trust world statistics websites. In which case you may have another problem on your hands. 

2. Not really. Well, sort of, but again, I said it would take time. Time is an important factor. A lot of people can't seem to understand that the future is more important than the here and now. 

You can't really manipulate fact unless you can control all forms of media. The world isn't North Korea. 

I don't see where your reference to GTA V's video game popularity has anything to do with actual gun control. Japan likes video games. Sometimes they want some variety. Sometimes that variety involves guns. 

I see a lot of rancour. I'd also like to point out the girl in my layout isn't s***ty. I would also like to say that liking a lot about a country is not always about liking its history. Your "liege" is rather irrelevant post-occupation.

"sleeping with women (treating them like dirt bags and playthings) to recover health." Comfort women. See: History. 

Also, I was not necessarily assuming a rock against a gun in all cases. The point is to take guns out of the equation entirely. 

sop281 :

"You can't really manipulate fact unless you can control all forms of media."

individuals will manipulate media anyway they choose regardless of government control. You must take what you read online with a grain of salt- or try a more strategic approach- like I did pulling up a website that is less inclined to state something due to political nature.

"I don't see where your reference to GTA V's video game popularity has anything to do with actual gun control."

Exactly. That is why you don't believe that freedom will solve the problem here in the U.S.

I said something else that connects to it, you can find it I know.

"I'd also like to point out the girl in my layout isn't s***ty. I would also like to say that liking a lot about a country is not always about liking its history. Your "liege" is rather irrelevant post-occupation."

Not saying that it is s***ty, (pretty low to send your women out to fight when that is the man's job though, not totally against women fighting,there are certain situations where it is necessary, but I find it irritating that 90% of the playable characters in some "Japanese" (or really American, "have it now attitude") games are always dressed poorly, and made out to be some kind of super fighters, kicking 10,000 men's butts for the fun of it and onlookers sexual pleasure.

It is not my liege, but theirs, and the HISTORICAL one that you reject. You cannot say, "I love Japan" in your bio, and really only like the Pseado-AmericJapan stuff that has popped up in the 1980s +. It's like considering a Mexican an African American. :/

I did NOT say:

"sleeping with women (treating them like dirt bags and playthings) to recover health."

The FULL statement is:

"and their idea of violence is not going around shooting cops and sleeping with women (treating them like dirt bags and playthings) to recover health."

Obviously a reference to grand theft auto. Let us not forget that in THAT game, you just move on to the next gal after killing the first hooker to get your money back. 

Women = playthings

Women actually had respect in Japanese culture, they were married off a properly young age (rather than suppressing natural and hormonal urges, they were satisfied, and adultery + other sexual perversion was eliminated due to marriage at a young age, granted, things, or course changed depending on the local areas. Properly dressed, and protected.

"Also, I was not necessarily assuming a rock against a gun in all cases. The point is to take guns out of the equation entirely."

1 you will never take guns out of the equation entirely.

2 do you really want to face a mad man with a gun with only a rock?

Sword legion : "individuals will manipulate media anyway they choose regardless of government control. You must take what you read online with a grain of salt- or try a more strategic approach- like I did pulling up a website that is less inclined to state something due to political nature." 

While that may be true, I was not using a poll, nor was I using your standard article. I was listing statistics, and not the statistics that have response bias due to polling. 

"It is not my liege, but theirs, and the HISTORICAL one that you reject. You cannot say, "I love Japan" in your bio, and really only like the Pseado-AmericJapan stuff that has popped up in the 1980s +. It's like considering a Mexican an African American. :/" 

I was strictly speaking in-line with the current argument. I don't reject history because I don't cloud the past. I also like different parts of the culture too, but you don't know me in real life, so why does it matter? 

"The FULL statement is:
"and their idea of violence is not going around shooting cops and sleeping with women (treating them like dirt bags and playthings) to recover health."
Obviously a reference to grand theft auto. Let us not forget that in THAT game, you just move on to the next gal after killing the first hooker to get your money back. "

This is a little unfair of course because the US likes this game significantly more than Japan. It might have reached large sales volume in Japan, but it isn't as if it was the most popular thing since Pokemon's conception. 

"1 you will never take guns out of the equation entirely.
2 do you really want to face a mad man with a gun with only a rock?"

How many gun-related deaths does Japan have a year? How many guns per-person does Japan have? It was more of a hyperbole though, as I know the odds of any nation removing guns in their entirety. The questions I have listed work for your second question as well. If there are so few guns that you do not have to live in fear of them, then you likely won't be facing a mad man wielding a gun with only a rock. 

sop281 :

Places like the UK, New Zealand, and Japan all have one thing in common that really helps regulate their borders. Water.

The US cannot regulate their boarders because they are too large. Mexico will import. Cubans can float over on a boat and we don't know half the time. There is a huge demand for guns over here, especially in the south where it would be easiest to sneak in.

Gun crimes are higher in the US, but so are all crimes. People over here are just stupid. Not a whole lot you can do about stupidity.