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How could Adam and Eve populate the entire world?
11-08-13 05:10 PM
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It's impossible for 2 people to populate. Inbreeding, genetic drifting, there is just too many problems for it to work. Even if Adam and Eve were the longest away genetically (Which I don't think it's possible, since Eve was made from Adam's rib), their children would be siblings, ergo if they have kids, inbreeding gets in the way, and their babies come out deformed, or worse.
The same thing goes with Noah's ark, since there were only 2 of each animal (And around 5 humans, with his family.) Does anyone actually have an explanation? I don't want an answer like "God did it" please. The same thing goes with Noah's ark, since there were only 2 of each animal (And around 5 humans, with his family.) Does anyone actually have an explanation? I don't want an answer like "God did it" please. |
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Maybe they weren't the only humans on Earth...?
That's honestly all I can come up with. That's honestly all I can come up with. |
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11-08-13 06:35 PM
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legacyme3 : Things is, The bible says that Adam and Eve were the only humans alive. And for noah's ark, there was a flood, and it says nothing survived except that, so yeah :/ |
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11-08-13 06:38 PM
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I'm not Christian, so I can't be sure. If the Bible does indeed say that they were the only two, then that's what the belief among them is. My theory regarding this is that we evolved from monkeys. And having evolved from monkeys, we are all indirectly related. I'm not Christian, so I can't be sure. If the Bible does indeed say that they were the only two, then that's what the belief among them is. My theory regarding this is that we evolved from monkeys. And having evolved from monkeys, we are all indirectly related. |
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11-08-13 07:21 PM
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I feel I should mention that actually there werent 2 pf each animal on the ark.
I believe it was 2 of every clean animal and 5 of every unclean (such as pigs). Why 5 i dont know, perhaps they like an audience. As for adam and eve iv often thought that myself. Although since im not christian you could argue i want to missinterpret it. I dont think thats a fair argument but its a common one. legacyme3 : If you believe in evolution then you arent descended from monkeys, monkeys share a common ancestor with humans, the missing link. I believe it was 2 of every clean animal and 5 of every unclean (such as pigs). Why 5 i dont know, perhaps they like an audience. As for adam and eve iv often thought that myself. Although since im not christian you could argue i want to missinterpret it. I dont think thats a fair argument but its a common one. legacyme3 : If you believe in evolution then you arent descended from monkeys, monkeys share a common ancestor with humans, the missing link. |
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I think adam and eve reproduced 2 times just happened to be a boy and girl then they grow up reproduce and have babies and it just continues |
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itsme9988 : But then they would be deformed because they are related. Also, my mom told me adam and eve only had two boys... If that's true that is even worse. Also, my mom told me adam and eve only had two boys... If that's true that is even worse. |
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mourinhosgum : What if adam and eve did not populate the whole world.What if god made more people. |
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itsme9988 : While that is an entirely possible explanation for creationism, I asked if you could come up with some answers besides "God did it" since every problem found in the bible can be solved with that. |
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I'm not 100 percent on this one but after Adam and Eve had two sons Cain and Abel I think the bible states that God then created them wives. I've heard that from somewhere. There are a lot of people on here who have extensive knowledge of the bible. I'll summon a few maybe they can help. play4fun : SoL@R : play4fun : SoL@R : |
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I'm not 100 percent on this one but after Adam and Eve had two sons Cain and Abel I think the bible states that God then created them wives. I've heard that from somewhere. There are a lot of people on here who have extensive knowledge of the bible. I'll summon a few maybe they can help. play4fun : SoL@R : Edit: for explanation of three identical posts look here: https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=68449 play4fun : SoL@R : Edit: for explanation of three identical posts look here: https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=68449 |
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I'm not 100 percent on this one but after Adam and Eve had two sons Cain and Abel I think the bible states that God then created them wives. I've heard that from somewhere. There are a lot of people on here who have extensive knowledge of the bible. I'll summon a few maybe they can help. play4fun : SoL@R : play4fun : SoL@R : |
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I've been asked this many times, and I'm not going to lie: I have no real answer. I can only speculate, but then, that would sound like I'm grasping at straws, since the Bible didn't actually record an answer. I suppose God didn't figure it was really a big issue. Who knows.
I can say that thenumberone was right about the animals to an extent. There were seven of each of the clean animals, and two of each of the unclean. I would assume this was because after the flood, God gave them permission to eat animals for food as well, and so, they would need more clean animals (animals they could eat) than unclean (animals they couldn't eat). In the end, regardless of how good of an answer can be offered, even a Christian has to admit that there are some things that just can't be answered logically, and so we have to believe it simply because the Bible said it. If it were something we could prove, it wouldn't be faith. And yes, I say this as a Christian myself. Even Atheism require faith in your views, as there is no logical way to explain the beginning of existence, as a religious person, or as an atheist. If we're all honest with ourselves and each other, we'll see that whether you choose to believe in God or not, you have to blindly buy into something at some point. No view can fully explain where we all came from, and every detail along the way, we just believe something, and try to forget the fact that we all, in reality, know very little. I can say that thenumberone was right about the animals to an extent. There were seven of each of the clean animals, and two of each of the unclean. I would assume this was because after the flood, God gave them permission to eat animals for food as well, and so, they would need more clean animals (animals they could eat) than unclean (animals they couldn't eat). In the end, regardless of how good of an answer can be offered, even a Christian has to admit that there are some things that just can't be answered logically, and so we have to believe it simply because the Bible said it. If it were something we could prove, it wouldn't be faith. And yes, I say this as a Christian myself. Even Atheism require faith in your views, as there is no logical way to explain the beginning of existence, as a religious person, or as an atheist. If we're all honest with ourselves and each other, we'll see that whether you choose to believe in God or not, you have to blindly buy into something at some point. No view can fully explain where we all came from, and every detail along the way, we just believe something, and try to forget the fact that we all, in reality, know very little. |
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How did Adam and Eve (white skinned people) breed asians, blacks, easterners, hispanics, natives? It's not every day the same colored couple can create different color of babies unless they were artificially implanted and then reproduced through incest. |
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There are different ways to reconcile this question, but I would approach it in the way that people during the time from Adam and Eve till Moses's establishment on marriage laws would interbreed to produce the next generation. You already asked how would this be possible based on the genetic reason that you listed, but you have to remember that this was near the very beginning when God created the universe, and God made it to be "good", which is a more remarkable feat than the idea that the first humans interbreed to have more humans with no deformation. But I would actually consider the idea that what is considered "deformation" at that time? Offsprings would not look like their parents, does that count as deformation to them? I think that as they continue to be fruitful and multiply, they don't see anything that would tell them interbreeding would have a bad result, and because of how it was established in the beginning. They either don't see any deformation in their own eyes, or they just don't see deformation at all because of how close they are to God's original creation. One can argue as sin's curse continues to spread, we would start to see problems with God's creation down the line. Also, this might be the reason why they didn't have a problem with marrying close relations until around Moses' time, which if you try to do the math as to how long ago that is compared to Adam and Eve, that is 2000~3000 years later. If you look at the times in between, you have Abraham who married his half sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:12), Lot's daughters have offspring with their father (Genesis 19:30-38), Isaac marrying someone from his father's kindred (Genesis 24), and Jacob's wives are part of his father's kin (Genesis 29:12). It was normal during that time, but by the time it reached Moses' time, they probably realized that incest would produce deformations and they establish the law during that time to prevent it from happening again, which is what the purpose of some of those laws are, to keep the line of Abraham pure. I know that there are those who believe that Adam and Eve are part of a "tribe" of people and that there are other tribes in the world, but this doesn't work out historically, biblically, and theologically. Biblically, because the name of Eve means the "Mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20) and that is continually affirmed in the New Testament (Mark 10, 1 Timothy 2). Making more humans in a different location would make that idea false. Theologically, because it doesn't make sense with the idea that everyone was affected by sin, or Original Sin. If God were to create humans from scratch in another location, then they would not be affected by the curse of sin (unless they have sinned as well, which there is no record of any of these incidents), and sin affected everyone in humankind, so there has to be single source to go back to, which is Adam and Eve. This isn't really a make or break issue and it can be reasoned through as to how it works during that time. And now, there are certain things that are misunderstood from this thread: fightorace : I think I already explained earlier as to why I think God making wives for Adam and Eve's sons would not be reasonable. mourinhosgum : Your mom is wrong on that, for Adam and Eve not only had Cain, Abel, and Seth, but he also had other offspring that were not mentioned: "The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters." (Genesis 5:4) UFO : That would be true if the Bible said that both Adam and Eve are purely white, but they're not. In fact, the Bible never even mentioned about their skin color at all, and it is definitely possible for both of them to produce different skin tones because both of them have heterozygous genes for their skin tone, and through the proportions in genetics, you can different skin tone for different people. Also, this might be the reason why they didn't have a problem with marrying close relations until around Moses' time, which if you try to do the math as to how long ago that is compared to Adam and Eve, that is 2000~3000 years later. If you look at the times in between, you have Abraham who married his half sister, Sarah (Genesis 20:12), Lot's daughters have offspring with their father (Genesis 19:30-38), Isaac marrying someone from his father's kindred (Genesis 24), and Jacob's wives are part of his father's kin (Genesis 29:12). It was normal during that time, but by the time it reached Moses' time, they probably realized that incest would produce deformations and they establish the law during that time to prevent it from happening again, which is what the purpose of some of those laws are, to keep the line of Abraham pure. I know that there are those who believe that Adam and Eve are part of a "tribe" of people and that there are other tribes in the world, but this doesn't work out historically, biblically, and theologically. Biblically, because the name of Eve means the "Mother of all living" (Genesis 3:20) and that is continually affirmed in the New Testament (Mark 10, 1 Timothy 2). Making more humans in a different location would make that idea false. Theologically, because it doesn't make sense with the idea that everyone was affected by sin, or Original Sin. If God were to create humans from scratch in another location, then they would not be affected by the curse of sin (unless they have sinned as well, which there is no record of any of these incidents), and sin affected everyone in humankind, so there has to be single source to go back to, which is Adam and Eve. This isn't really a make or break issue and it can be reasoned through as to how it works during that time. And now, there are certain things that are misunderstood from this thread: fightorace : I think I already explained earlier as to why I think God making wives for Adam and Eve's sons would not be reasonable. mourinhosgum : Your mom is wrong on that, for Adam and Eve not only had Cain, Abel, and Seth, but he also had other offspring that were not mentioned: "The days of Adam after he fathered Seth were 800 years; and he had other sons and daughters." (Genesis 5:4) UFO : That would be true if the Bible said that both Adam and Eve are purely white, but they're not. 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I do not believe Genesis 1-11 to be a historical/chronological account, but for the sake of argument, I'll pretend it is. First possible argument, if a brother and a sister make a baby, it does not mean it will be deformed, but it has a higher likelihood of deformity due to inbreeding. Now we have first cousins, so the likelihood has decreased. This likelihood continues to decrease to today's current likelihood of having a child with a deformity. Second possible argument, Adam and Eve had bodies that allowed them to live 900 years. Inbreeding did happen. Noah only lived 600 years. Abraham 175. Third possible argument, Adam and Eve were in the garden, there were other people that started outside the garden. These are the people that their children married. Fourth possible argument, God shielded the people from effects of inbreeding until there was a decent gene pool. First possible argument, if a brother and a sister make a baby, it does not mean it will be deformed, but it has a higher likelihood of deformity due to inbreeding. Now we have first cousins, so the likelihood has decreased. This likelihood continues to decrease to today's current likelihood of having a child with a deformity. Second possible argument, Adam and Eve had bodies that allowed them to live 900 years. Inbreeding did happen. Noah only lived 600 years. Abraham 175. Third possible argument, Adam and Eve were in the garden, there were other people that started outside the garden. These are the people that their children married. Fourth possible argument, God shielded the people from effects of inbreeding until there was a decent gene pool. |
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If I may make a point. Their children WERE deformed. You can clearly read that God created the perfect human beings, created after himself. Looking at people now, we are nowhere near perfect. Therefore, if what the Bible states about this is true, which I believe it is, then people must have become less and less perfect with each generation. So, since Adam and Eve were perfect human beings, there weren't any negative traits to be amplified through inbreeding. Therefore, the changes must have been very, very slight ones, not unlike the theory of evolution. Just rather than millions of years and going from monkeys and germs to people, it's perfect people to not-so perfect people. |
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