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   Well, the season is over, and now the worst part of baseball season begins. The part without baseball. Any retirements, trades, or other acquisitions can be discussed in this thread. 
   Haven't really looked yet, but there will probably be at least one big player out there everybody wants. Will the Yankees go for it again, or will they rebuild? Will Boston change anything from their winning team, or keep mostly the same people? And will the Rays commit long term to a high priced player? Anybody have early thoughts?
   Well, the season is over, and now the worst part of baseball season begins. The part without baseball. Any retirements, trades, or other acquisitions can be discussed in this thread. 
   Haven't really looked yet, but there will probably be at least one big player out there everybody wants. Will the Yankees go for it again, or will they rebuild? Will Boston change anything from their winning team, or keep mostly the same people? And will the Rays commit long term to a high priced player? Anybody have early thoughts?
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The Boston Red Sox I feel are going to go conservative-ish again...not going to spend money on long-term deals, but short ones. Jacoby Ellsbury is a huge asset and many teams are looking to get him. If Ellsbury were to leave, then the Red Sox would need a good center fielder to replace him. 

I think the Red Sox will have another great year...probably not a repeat, but a very good year. 

The Boston Red Sox I feel are going to go conservative-ish again...not going to spend money on long-term deals, but short ones. Jacoby Ellsbury is a huge asset and many teams are looking to get him. If Ellsbury were to leave, then the Red Sox would need a good center fielder to replace him. 

I think the Red Sox will have another great year...probably not a repeat, but a very good year. 

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I hope the Mariners resign Kendrys Morales. I'm not sure how likely that is, but the Mariners need him badly to have any chance of contending next season. They should have an improved pitching staff with Walker and Paxton joining the rotation as well.
I hope the Mariners resign Kendrys Morales. I'm not sure how likely that is, but the Mariners need him badly to have any chance of contending next season. They should have an improved pitching staff with Walker and Paxton joining the rotation as well.
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The Red Sox probably aren't getting Ellsbury back, though I'd love to have him back...

His replacement is Jackie Bradley Jr. Like it or not, he's the guy. Signing Ellsbury wouldn't change that, honestly, they'd probably move Ellsbury to left field, and let the superior defender play center field.

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The Yankees signed Jeter to a one year 12 million dollar deal... I'm not getting it. He was injured all year, played poorly once he came back, and had a 9.5 million dollar option. If he accepted the option, the Yankees would have saved some money.

But whatever, Yankees being Yankees I suppose.

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Masahiro Tanaka, in my opinion the premier pitching arm on the market, could end up getting a higher price tag than Yu Darvish did those years ago. Several teams figure to be in on him, the most prominent names being rumored are the Dodgers (who are the heavy favorites), the Yankees, and the Red Sox (duh).
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The Red Sox probably aren't getting Ellsbury back, though I'd love to have him back...

His replacement is Jackie Bradley Jr. Like it or not, he's the guy. Signing Ellsbury wouldn't change that, honestly, they'd probably move Ellsbury to left field, and let the superior defender play center field.

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The Yankees signed Jeter to a one year 12 million dollar deal... I'm not getting it. He was injured all year, played poorly once he came back, and had a 9.5 million dollar option. If he accepted the option, the Yankees would have saved some money.

But whatever, Yankees being Yankees I suppose.

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Masahiro Tanaka, in my opinion the premier pitching arm on the market, could end up getting a higher price tag than Yu Darvish did those years ago. Several teams figure to be in on him, the most prominent names being rumored are the Dodgers (who are the heavy favorites), the Yankees, and the Red Sox (duh).
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I was gunna make this thread a couple days ago and I never came around to it. Oh well, I still have the nhl thread.
I was gunna make this thread a couple days ago and I never came around to it. Oh well, I still have the nhl thread.
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Over in New York, I heard that the Mets are going to sign Granderson and Halladay, and that the Yankees are going to sign Beltran and that Kiroda may leave for Japan.
Over in New York, I heard that the Mets are going to sign Granderson and Halladay, and that the Yankees are going to sign Beltran and that Kiroda may leave for Japan.
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zanderlex :

If you heard that from MLB Trade Rumors, then cut it out. That's just the guy's predictions, and he was way off last year, so I have no reason to believe he'll be any closer this year.

Otherwise, I'd like a source on that, since those are some pretty big names and it is early in Free Agency.

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Mike Napoli (BOS)
Stephen Drew (BOS)
Jacoby Ellsbury (BOS)
Carlos Beltran (STL)
Robinson Cano (NYY)
Hiroki Kuroda (NYY)
Curtis Granderson (NYY)
Shin-Soo Choo (CIN)
Nelson Cruz (TEX)
Ubaldo Jimenez (CLE)
Brian McCann (ATL)
Kendrys Morales (SEA)
Ervin Santana (KC)

The above players were all extended a QO, meaning if they sign elsewhere, their old team gets draft pick compensation, and the team that signs him give up their best pick outside of the top 11 (or 10, I forget which of the 2, and honestly does it matter?)

Big chance for the Yankees and Red Sox to recoup a lot of picks. Bigger for the Yankees, what with their barren farm system needing life. However, of the guys extended a QO, the only one I see leaving would be Granderson, and he's not a sure thing to leave. The QO is 14 million, and he might not make that much on the open market.

As for the Red Sox... there's no need for the picks, they already have one of the top farm systems in baseball. More picks would only make them better. Really good time to be a Sox fan. Ellsbury and Drew are both likely to leave.

Ultimately, here are my free agent predictions for those players.

Mike Napoli (BOS) - Returns to Boston.
Stephen Drew (BOS) - I see the St. Louis Cardinals making a major run for him, and taking Drew away.
Jacoby Ellsbury (BOS) - I've been saying this for literally years, but I see him ending up in Seattle with the Mariners. It just makes too much sense for me to predict anything else.
Carlos Beltran (STL) - I'm going to make a bold prediction here. He's going to either end up with the Red Sox, Yankees, or Cardinals. I don't see any other possible outcomes. Cardinals is probably most likely to me.
Robinson Cano (NYY) - Yankees. Only the Dodgers can throw around the same amount of money, and I don't think they will. Cano means too much to the Yankees to let him go.
Hiroki Kuroda (NYY) - Yankees. It's either Japan, West Coast, or Yankees for Kuroda, like it was a season or two ago. History repeats, and the Yankees keep their pitcher.
Curtis Granderson (NYY) - Yankees. I know I said I saw Granderson being the only one I could see leaving. Doesn't mean I think he's going to leave. That QO is more than he'd get on the free agent market, especially once you figure draft pick compensation. He'd be stupid to turn it down.
Shin-Soo Choo (CIN) - Red Sox. I don't neccesarily see him winding up in Boston. This is just a long coveted player of mine, and if the Sox can snag him, that'd be f***ing awesome. Otherwise, I see him latching on in either New York or with St. Louis.
Nelson Cruz (TEX) - Rangers. He's not getting anything close to 14 million on the free agent market, after his PED mishap.
Ubaldo Jimenez (CLE) - Giants. They need starting pitchers, and Ubaldo probably misses the NL. Match made in heaven.
Brian McCann (ATL) - Red Sox. Unfortunately. (I'm not a fan of McCann, but the writing is on the wall...)
Kendrys Morales (SEA) - Mariners. Middling players with QO's stick to their team.
Ervin Santana (KC) - Blue Jays. They need something. Santana is something.
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If you heard that from MLB Trade Rumors, then cut it out. That's just the guy's predictions, and he was way off last year, so I have no reason to believe he'll be any closer this year.

Otherwise, I'd like a source on that, since those are some pretty big names and it is early in Free Agency.

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Mike Napoli (BOS)
Stephen Drew (BOS)
Jacoby Ellsbury (BOS)
Carlos Beltran (STL)
Robinson Cano (NYY)
Hiroki Kuroda (NYY)
Curtis Granderson (NYY)
Shin-Soo Choo (CIN)
Nelson Cruz (TEX)
Ubaldo Jimenez (CLE)
Brian McCann (ATL)
Kendrys Morales (SEA)
Ervin Santana (KC)

The above players were all extended a QO, meaning if they sign elsewhere, their old team gets draft pick compensation, and the team that signs him give up their best pick outside of the top 11 (or 10, I forget which of the 2, and honestly does it matter?)

Big chance for the Yankees and Red Sox to recoup a lot of picks. Bigger for the Yankees, what with their barren farm system needing life. However, of the guys extended a QO, the only one I see leaving would be Granderson, and he's not a sure thing to leave. The QO is 14 million, and he might not make that much on the open market.

As for the Red Sox... there's no need for the picks, they already have one of the top farm systems in baseball. More picks would only make them better. Really good time to be a Sox fan. Ellsbury and Drew are both likely to leave.

Ultimately, here are my free agent predictions for those players.

Mike Napoli (BOS) - Returns to Boston.
Stephen Drew (BOS) - I see the St. Louis Cardinals making a major run for him, and taking Drew away.
Jacoby Ellsbury (BOS) - I've been saying this for literally years, but I see him ending up in Seattle with the Mariners. It just makes too much sense for me to predict anything else.
Carlos Beltran (STL) - I'm going to make a bold prediction here. He's going to either end up with the Red Sox, Yankees, or Cardinals. I don't see any other possible outcomes. Cardinals is probably most likely to me.
Robinson Cano (NYY) - Yankees. Only the Dodgers can throw around the same amount of money, and I don't think they will. Cano means too much to the Yankees to let him go.
Hiroki Kuroda (NYY) - Yankees. It's either Japan, West Coast, or Yankees for Kuroda, like it was a season or two ago. History repeats, and the Yankees keep their pitcher.
Curtis Granderson (NYY) - Yankees. I know I said I saw Granderson being the only one I could see leaving. Doesn't mean I think he's going to leave. That QO is more than he'd get on the free agent market, especially once you figure draft pick compensation. He'd be stupid to turn it down.
Shin-Soo Choo (CIN) - Red Sox. I don't neccesarily see him winding up in Boston. This is just a long coveted player of mine, and if the Sox can snag him, that'd be f***ing awesome. Otherwise, I see him latching on in either New York or with St. Louis.
Nelson Cruz (TEX) - Rangers. He's not getting anything close to 14 million on the free agent market, after his PED mishap.
Ubaldo Jimenez (CLE) - Giants. They need starting pitchers, and Ubaldo probably misses the NL. Match made in heaven.
Brian McCann (ATL) - Red Sox. Unfortunately. (I'm not a fan of McCann, but the writing is on the wall...)
Kendrys Morales (SEA) - Mariners. Middling players with QO's stick to their team.
Ervin Santana (KC) - Blue Jays. They need something. Santana is something.
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Well, lots of the awards have been given out, and here they are.

MVP:

AL: Miguel Cabrera
NL: Andrew McCutchen

   Wasn't really surprised with either of these. I though that Trout would have had a better chance this year, but even with no lower half a lot of the year, Miggy was still able to win it. Just hope the injuries don't extend to next year.

Rookie of the Year:

AL: Will Myers
NL: Jose Fernandez

   Not much surprise with Myers winning. Didn't seem to really be anybody else that would have won that. Not really sure about Fernandez, but from what I heard, he also seemed to be the favorite.


Manager of the Year:

AL: Terry Francona
NL: Clint Hurdle

   Good choices there. Hurdle took his team to the playoffs for the first time in twenty years, and Francona took the Indians, who dropped off like crazy last year, to only being one game behind the Tigers in the end, also getting into the playoffs. Both are great managers, and both took a team that didn't make it in last year, but did this year.

Cy Young award:

AL: Max Scherzer
NL: Clayton Kershaw

   After the season, I wasn't sure if Scherzer would win it, because he wasn't as good as he was in the first half, and he had a ton of run support. Still expected him to win it though. And Kershaw grabs his second Cy Young award, and I believe he deserved that as well. Both guys had amazing years.
Well, lots of the awards have been given out, and here they are.

MVP:

AL: Miguel Cabrera
NL: Andrew McCutchen

   Wasn't really surprised with either of these. I though that Trout would have had a better chance this year, but even with no lower half a lot of the year, Miggy was still able to win it. Just hope the injuries don't extend to next year.

Rookie of the Year:

AL: Will Myers
NL: Jose Fernandez

   Not much surprise with Myers winning. Didn't seem to really be anybody else that would have won that. Not really sure about Fernandez, but from what I heard, he also seemed to be the favorite.


Manager of the Year:

AL: Terry Francona
NL: Clint Hurdle

   Good choices there. Hurdle took his team to the playoffs for the first time in twenty years, and Francona took the Indians, who dropped off like crazy last year, to only being one game behind the Tigers in the end, also getting into the playoffs. Both are great managers, and both took a team that didn't make it in last year, but did this year.

Cy Young award:

AL: Max Scherzer
NL: Clayton Kershaw

   After the season, I wasn't sure if Scherzer would win it, because he wasn't as good as he was in the first half, and he had a ton of run support. Still expected him to win it though. And Kershaw grabs his second Cy Young award, and I believe he deserved that as well. Both guys had amazing years.
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I almost completely agree with this year's awards. Only one small nitpick.

When it comes to the MVPs, I have no complaint. It's all about how one subjectively values... value. To me, what makes a player valuable, is leading his team to success. Making the playoffs makes one successful. So Miguel Cabrera over Mike Trout made perfect sense to me. I would have voted Miggy too. Trout was the better player, but Cabrera is the MVP. And Andrew McCutchen was the slam dunk choice, practically automatic. No one in the NL was in the same league of discussion.

On Cy Young voting, again, they got the picks right. Max Scherzer was among the top 3 pitchers in all of baseball, and the best in the American League. He may have cooled off a bit, but in the end, Scherzer was always the obvious choice for Cy Young in the AL. Then you come to the NL. Kershaw was hands down the best pitcher in baseball. I'm only surprised it wasn't unanimous. Some idiot thought Wainwright deserved it. Dumbass.

Rookie of the Year there can be no debate. Wil Myers was again, the obvious choice in the AL. Only Jose Iglesias was even in the discussion, and he just wasn't good enough to steal it from Myers. Any other year, Iglesias probably wins it. And Jose Fernandez in the NL was also obvious. He was one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball this year, as a 20 year old rookie pitching for the Miami Marlins of all teams. They have a real special talent there.

Manager of the Year. Here is where I have my only complaint. In the NL, it's fine, Clint Hurdle led the Pittsburgh Pirates to not only their first winning season in forever, but the playoffs. Easy win there. No, what I have a problem with is Terry Francona winning Manager of the Year over John Farrell.

Why? Let's look at this objectively. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE thought the Red Sox were going to be a garbage team. Almost no one had them making the playoffs, and they had come off a year that made them the laughing stocks of baseball. They traded away what talent they had to the Dodgers for salary relief and prospects, and signed a first baseman with a bad hip, an aging outfielder who was the "worst signing of the offseason" according to several pundits, and a terrible NL soft ball pitcher with the savings. They brought in a manager who had struggled with bullpen management in Toronto, and somehow turned it into not only a playoff berth, but a division win. They were also the favorites in the AL to make it to the World Series on the eve of the playoffs. I won't hold it against the writers for not voting for Farrell based on winning the World Series, because they vote before the playoffs begin. But it should be considered how far the Red Sox had made it. Yes, the Indians made it far as well, and any other year, I endorse Terry Francona as the winner. But what John Farrell did was even more special.

I think the writers got that one wrong.

But hey, 7/8 ain't bad.
I almost completely agree with this year's awards. Only one small nitpick.

When it comes to the MVPs, I have no complaint. It's all about how one subjectively values... value. To me, what makes a player valuable, is leading his team to success. Making the playoffs makes one successful. So Miguel Cabrera over Mike Trout made perfect sense to me. I would have voted Miggy too. Trout was the better player, but Cabrera is the MVP. And Andrew McCutchen was the slam dunk choice, practically automatic. No one in the NL was in the same league of discussion.

On Cy Young voting, again, they got the picks right. Max Scherzer was among the top 3 pitchers in all of baseball, and the best in the American League. He may have cooled off a bit, but in the end, Scherzer was always the obvious choice for Cy Young in the AL. Then you come to the NL. Kershaw was hands down the best pitcher in baseball. I'm only surprised it wasn't unanimous. Some idiot thought Wainwright deserved it. Dumbass.

Rookie of the Year there can be no debate. Wil Myers was again, the obvious choice in the AL. Only Jose Iglesias was even in the discussion, and he just wasn't good enough to steal it from Myers. Any other year, Iglesias probably wins it. And Jose Fernandez in the NL was also obvious. He was one of the top 5 pitchers in baseball this year, as a 20 year old rookie pitching for the Miami Marlins of all teams. They have a real special talent there.

Manager of the Year. Here is where I have my only complaint. In the NL, it's fine, Clint Hurdle led the Pittsburgh Pirates to not only their first winning season in forever, but the playoffs. Easy win there. No, what I have a problem with is Terry Francona winning Manager of the Year over John Farrell.

Why? Let's look at this objectively. Everyone, and I mean EVERYONE thought the Red Sox were going to be a garbage team. Almost no one had them making the playoffs, and they had come off a year that made them the laughing stocks of baseball. They traded away what talent they had to the Dodgers for salary relief and prospects, and signed a first baseman with a bad hip, an aging outfielder who was the "worst signing of the offseason" according to several pundits, and a terrible NL soft ball pitcher with the savings. They brought in a manager who had struggled with bullpen management in Toronto, and somehow turned it into not only a playoff berth, but a division win. They were also the favorites in the AL to make it to the World Series on the eve of the playoffs. I won't hold it against the writers for not voting for Farrell based on winning the World Series, because they vote before the playoffs begin. But it should be considered how far the Red Sox had made it. Yes, the Indians made it far as well, and any other year, I endorse Terry Francona as the winner. But what John Farrell did was even more special.

I think the writers got that one wrong.

But hey, 7/8 ain't bad.
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I am completely shocked by this trade. Prince Fielder is now a Texas Ranger, while the Tigers acquired second baseman, Ian Kinsler. Abolutely shocked. A lot of Tigers fans, somewhat including myself, wanted to see him go, especially if that means we can sign Scherzer. But I never would have thought that it would actually happen.

I feel this is a pretty good trade for the Tigers. We are getting a good 2nd baseman with a good bat, and this gives us the option to put Miggy back at 1st base, and get a better fielding 3rd baseman. Gutsy move, and I hope it works well for us.
I am completely shocked by this trade. Prince Fielder is now a Texas Ranger, while the Tigers acquired second baseman, Ian Kinsler. Abolutely shocked. A lot of Tigers fans, somewhat including myself, wanted to see him go, especially if that means we can sign Scherzer. But I never would have thought that it would actually happen.

I feel this is a pretty good trade for the Tigers. We are getting a good 2nd baseman with a good bat, and this gives us the option to put Miggy back at 1st base, and get a better fielding 3rd baseman. Gutsy move, and I hope it works well for us.
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More trades.

The Athletics traded Jemile Weeks to the Orioles in exchange for Jim Johnson.

A's are obviously looking to shore up their bullpen, and Johnson is a great addition to their team. Jemile Weeks will take over for Brian Roberts in due time, and give them a healthy player for the time being.

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Also, the Nationals traded Robbie Ray, Steve Lombardozzi, and Ian Krol (basically, nothing) to the Tigers for Doug Fister.

Absolute highway robbery for the Nationals. They get a hell of a groundball pitcher for the apropos of nothing.
More trades.

The Athletics traded Jemile Weeks to the Orioles in exchange for Jim Johnson.

A's are obviously looking to shore up their bullpen, and Johnson is a great addition to their team. Jemile Weeks will take over for Brian Roberts in due time, and give them a healthy player for the time being.

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Also, the Nationals traded Robbie Ray, Steve Lombardozzi, and Ian Krol (basically, nothing) to the Tigers for Doug Fister.

Absolute highway robbery for the Nationals. They get a hell of a groundball pitcher for the apropos of nothing.
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   I don't know Dombrowski let that trade happen (Tigers GM). I don't see how we are getting anywhere trading a good 3rd starting pitcher for what we got. Yeah, we now have a place for Smyly to take his place as a starter, like he should be, but we should at least get something good for him. Why are we trying for prospects? Our opportunity to win is now, and I think this could come back to haunt us. Well, at least we have a real closer in Nathan. Feels good to know who our closer is going to be for the next 2 years.
   I don't know Dombrowski let that trade happen (Tigers GM). I don't see how we are getting anywhere trading a good 3rd starting pitcher for what we got. Yeah, we now have a place for Smyly to take his place as a starter, like he should be, but we should at least get something good for him. Why are we trying for prospects? Our opportunity to win is now, and I think this could come back to haunt us. Well, at least we have a real closer in Nathan. Feels good to know who our closer is going to be for the next 2 years.
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I would love to see the Pirates improve this upcoming year and go farther in the playoffs. I am not really a huge fan of baseball, but I really felt sorry for them since they were so terrible for so long. It was cool seeing them finally in the playoffs.
I would love to see the Pirates improve this upcoming year and go farther in the playoffs. I am not really a huge fan of baseball, but I really felt sorry for them since they were so terrible for so long. It was cool seeing them finally in the playoffs.
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As a Red Sox fan the news of Jacoby Ellsbury signing with the Yankees really made my stomach turn. I knew the Red Sox getting him back was a long shot, but signing with the Yankees is like a punch in the gut! Ellsbury now join's the list of former sox turned Yankees that I now hate after they put on the pin stripes, guys like: Wade Boggs, Johnny Damon, and especially Roger Clemens!

On another note though, I do like the signing of AJ Pierzynski as the sox new catcher. Losing Jarrod Saltalamacchia might hurt some offensively, but Pierzynski is no slouch at the plate and is a much better defensive catcher than Salty. And a Pierzynski and David Ross tandem behind the plate will be great for the sox pitching staff.

I feel like the sox need to make a big move though. And since there isn't a lot left on the free agent market I see the sox pulling off a big trade possibly at the upcoming winter meetings. I would love to see them trade for David Price but I don't see the Rays trading him within the division, but I do think the sox will pick up a starting pitcher via trade. They have so much young talent they could use in any trade for a proven starter. I don't know that Jackie Bradley is ready to be the every day center fielder, so they may sign or trade for a corner outfielder and move Shane Victorino to center. I know Shin-Soo Choo is still available, but I don't think he's worth the money he's asking for. There has been rumors of the sox having some interest in Carlos Beltran, but is age and injury history does scare me some. And either re-signing Mike Napoli or finding a power hitting replacement for him at 1st Base is imperative. No matter what though, I have a feeling a big move is just around the corner for the sox!!
As a Red Sox fan the news of Jacoby Ellsbury signing with the Yankees really made my stomach turn. I knew the Red Sox getting him back was a long shot, but signing with the Yankees is like a punch in the gut! Ellsbury now join's the list of former sox turned Yankees that I now hate after they put on the pin stripes, guys like: Wade Boggs, Johnny Damon, and especially Roger Clemens!

On another note though, I do like the signing of AJ Pierzynski as the sox new catcher. Losing Jarrod Saltalamacchia might hurt some offensively, but Pierzynski is no slouch at the plate and is a much better defensive catcher than Salty. And a Pierzynski and David Ross tandem behind the plate will be great for the sox pitching staff.

I feel like the sox need to make a big move though. And since there isn't a lot left on the free agent market I see the sox pulling off a big trade possibly at the upcoming winter meetings. I would love to see them trade for David Price but I don't see the Rays trading him within the division, but I do think the sox will pick up a starting pitcher via trade. They have so much young talent they could use in any trade for a proven starter. I don't know that Jackie Bradley is ready to be the every day center fielder, so they may sign or trade for a corner outfielder and move Shane Victorino to center. I know Shin-Soo Choo is still available, but I don't think he's worth the money he's asking for. There has been rumors of the sox having some interest in Carlos Beltran, but is age and injury history does scare me some. And either re-signing Mike Napoli or finding a power hitting replacement for him at 1st Base is imperative. No matter what though, I have a feeling a big move is just around the corner for the sox!!
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Ah good, a fellow Sox fan. I held off on discussing this, because I felt my own feelings on it wouldn't be understood.

This Ellsbury debacle irritates me. I'm not sure what to feel. He's been my favorite player since 2007, and I've stuck by him through every freak injury, and every triumph. So the news hit me especially hard.

Back in 2011, after his beast of a year, I said, "I fully expect Ellsbury to use this year as motivation to get up to 20MM a year, and leave us for the Yankees."

Little did I know, the power was fake, but he ended up getting his contract anyways, and going to the team I knew was going to sign him.

I don't feel betrayed like with Damon though, because while Damon said he'd never sign with the Yankees (and then did), Ellsbury made no such statement. He never made any statement really. He's always been about the money. Now he has it.

I'm disappointed to lose my favorite player, but I'm pleased to see they'll be paying him 22 million a year from his 35-37 year old seasons. Have fun!

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On the other hand, I am NOT a fan of the Pierzynski signing. Dude is a total ass. I like cheering for good human beings. I would have been happier with legit any other option. But it's only a one year deal, so I guess I can deal with it.

However I have to disagree with you. Pierzynski is a slouch at the plate. About the only skill he brings is the ability to call a decent game. His defensive skills have grossly deteriorated, and I'm surprised he's still a catcher (and playing). He's better than Ryan Lavarnway, which is probably all I can say positive about him.

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I don't want us doing a big move though.

My entire plan for the rest of the offseason is to sign Corey Hart to a short deal, and let Napoli and Drew leave. I also attempt to sign Shin-Soo Choo, and if that fails, not try anything else. A big splash will destroy the farm system via trade, so I'm cool with standing pat. The moves (and non moves) we've made, suggest next year isn't a "win it all" year.

If we let Nap and Drew go, we get 2 picks in the draft. If we sign Choo, we lose one.

We could have as many as 4 picks in the top 40 next year. I am very interested in that.
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Ah good, a fellow Sox fan. I held off on discussing this, because I felt my own feelings on it wouldn't be understood.

This Ellsbury debacle irritates me. I'm not sure what to feel. He's been my favorite player since 2007, and I've stuck by him through every freak injury, and every triumph. So the news hit me especially hard.

Back in 2011, after his beast of a year, I said, "I fully expect Ellsbury to use this year as motivation to get up to 20MM a year, and leave us for the Yankees."

Little did I know, the power was fake, but he ended up getting his contract anyways, and going to the team I knew was going to sign him.

I don't feel betrayed like with Damon though, because while Damon said he'd never sign with the Yankees (and then did), Ellsbury made no such statement. He never made any statement really. He's always been about the money. Now he has it.

I'm disappointed to lose my favorite player, but I'm pleased to see they'll be paying him 22 million a year from his 35-37 year old seasons. Have fun!

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On the other hand, I am NOT a fan of the Pierzynski signing. Dude is a total ass. I like cheering for good human beings. I would have been happier with legit any other option. But it's only a one year deal, so I guess I can deal with it.

However I have to disagree with you. Pierzynski is a slouch at the plate. About the only skill he brings is the ability to call a decent game. His defensive skills have grossly deteriorated, and I'm surprised he's still a catcher (and playing). He's better than Ryan Lavarnway, which is probably all I can say positive about him.

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I don't want us doing a big move though.

My entire plan for the rest of the offseason is to sign Corey Hart to a short deal, and let Napoli and Drew leave. I also attempt to sign Shin-Soo Choo, and if that fails, not try anything else. A big splash will destroy the farm system via trade, so I'm cool with standing pat. The moves (and non moves) we've made, suggest next year isn't a "win it all" year.

If we let Nap and Drew go, we get 2 picks in the draft. If we sign Choo, we lose one.

We could have as many as 4 picks in the top 40 next year. I am very interested in that.
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I totally agree about your thought's on Pierzynski's character! But I think I have more faith in him at the plate than you do, so we will agree to disagree there!

However, I don't like the idea of signing Corey Hart, I'm just not a fan of the guy and he's a major injury risk. I know Napoli is as well, but I really like Napoli and even though he strikes out a TON, he became a very good defensive first basemen.

I agree with letting Drew go, he's very good defensively, but his hitting is very disappointing(much like his brother JD). I think Xander Bogaerts will be an absolute superstar, and we will be seeing him in many all star games over the course of his career, so let's get him to his natural shortstop position as soon as possible! There will be some growing pains of course, but the risk will be worth the reward. I'm not totally sold on Middlebrooks at 3rd though. The kid has some serious potential, but will he ever put it all together? I would love to see Choo in a sox uniform, but much like Ellsbury, I don't wanna see them paying him big money in his mid-late thirties.

The farm system is STACKED, but you never know which prospect will work out and which will become a total bust? I don't want to see them deplete the farm system by any means, but making a deal for a proven veteran for some of their 2nd tier prospects wouldn't be bad. I would love to see them trade for a young superstar like Giancarlo Stanton who obviously wants out of Florida, he wouldn't cost much, and would be under team control for a few more years. I know the kid has had a few injuries already, but I think that would be a risk worth taking as long as you don't completely break the bank to get him.

But I do think some kinda move has to be made to pick up a starting pitcher. I love Jon Lester, but Buchholz is always an injury risk, Was John Lackey a one year wonder or will he continue to pitch like that? And as far as the back end of the rotation, I just don't have much faith in Peavy, Dempster, or Doubront and none of the young pitching prospects is really big league ready yet. Doubront is a solid 5th starter/innings eater, but Peavy is getting up there in age, and Dempster doesn't need to be anywhere near the rotation at this point!
I totally agree about your thought's on Pierzynski's character! But I think I have more faith in him at the plate than you do, so we will agree to disagree there!

However, I don't like the idea of signing Corey Hart, I'm just not a fan of the guy and he's a major injury risk. I know Napoli is as well, but I really like Napoli and even though he strikes out a TON, he became a very good defensive first basemen.

I agree with letting Drew go, he's very good defensively, but his hitting is very disappointing(much like his brother JD). I think Xander Bogaerts will be an absolute superstar, and we will be seeing him in many all star games over the course of his career, so let's get him to his natural shortstop position as soon as possible! There will be some growing pains of course, but the risk will be worth the reward. I'm not totally sold on Middlebrooks at 3rd though. The kid has some serious potential, but will he ever put it all together? I would love to see Choo in a sox uniform, but much like Ellsbury, I don't wanna see them paying him big money in his mid-late thirties.

The farm system is STACKED, but you never know which prospect will work out and which will become a total bust? I don't want to see them deplete the farm system by any means, but making a deal for a proven veteran for some of their 2nd tier prospects wouldn't be bad. I would love to see them trade for a young superstar like Giancarlo Stanton who obviously wants out of Florida, he wouldn't cost much, and would be under team control for a few more years. I know the kid has had a few injuries already, but I think that would be a risk worth taking as long as you don't completely break the bank to get him.

But I do think some kinda move has to be made to pick up a starting pitcher. I love Jon Lester, but Buchholz is always an injury risk, Was John Lackey a one year wonder or will he continue to pitch like that? And as far as the back end of the rotation, I just don't have much faith in Peavy, Dempster, or Doubront and none of the young pitching prospects is really big league ready yet. Doubront is a solid 5th starter/innings eater, but Peavy is getting up there in age, and Dempster doesn't need to be anywhere near the rotation at this point!
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Even though the Yankees signed Ellsbury, it looks like they are still going down hill. () Cano received a huge offer from the Mariners, Rivera and Pettitie are gone, Jeter will be gone soon, and I personally hope that Granderson signs with the Mets.
Even though the Yankees signed Ellsbury, it looks like they are still going down hill. () Cano received a huge offer from the Mariners, Rivera and Pettitie are gone, Jeter will be gone soon, and I personally hope that Granderson signs with the Mets.
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zanderlex :

Not to mention Ellsbury will only be good for about 4 years of that 7 (with an option for 8!) year contract.

He's a speed player, not a power player.

Unless he beefs up over the offseason and changes his play style, Ellsbury will lose value quickly once his legs start to go.

22 million a year for a guy who won't hold up past 34/35.
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Not to mention Ellsbury will only be good for about 4 years of that 7 (with an option for 8!) year contract.

He's a speed player, not a power player.

Unless he beefs up over the offseason and changes his play style, Ellsbury will lose value quickly once his legs start to go.

22 million a year for a guy who won't hold up past 34/35.
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legacyme3 : One of the things that I don't like about the Yankees is that they sign somebody who had a good career and that player ends up not being able to get any playing time. Like what they did with Berkman and Jones when they had Texiera. Personally, Im would not expect Elssbury to get more than 1 or 2 years because of their payroll.
legacyme3 : One of the things that I don't like about the Yankees is that they sign somebody who had a good career and that player ends up not being able to get any playing time. Like what they did with Berkman and Jones when they had Texiera. Personally, Im would not expect Elssbury to get more than 1 or 2 years because of their payroll.
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I think signing Ellsbury to a seven year contract is a big risk considering his injury history, however he is a good fit with the Yankees as they needed an outfielder and a LH bat. Also, they weakened the Red Sox by taking him from them.

As for Cano, I highly doubt he will sign with the Mariners. I think he is looking for the money more than anything. Although the M's do have some money to spend, they have a small payroll and certainly won't be the highest bidder for him.

FYI, I am a Mariners fan. I don't think Cano is a good fit for them at all. The M's don't need a second baseman, they need outfielders and pitching. And I haven't even mentioned the fact that Cano is already 31. I would much rather see the Mariners resign Kendrys Morales than go after Cano.
I think signing Ellsbury to a seven year contract is a big risk considering his injury history, however he is a good fit with the Yankees as they needed an outfielder and a LH bat. Also, they weakened the Red Sox by taking him from them.

As for Cano, I highly doubt he will sign with the Mariners. I think he is looking for the money more than anything. Although the M's do have some money to spend, they have a small payroll and certainly won't be the highest bidder for him.

FYI, I am a Mariners fan. I don't think Cano is a good fit for them at all. The M's don't need a second baseman, they need outfielders and pitching. And I haven't even mentioned the fact that Cano is already 31. I would much rather see the Mariners resign Kendrys Morales than go after Cano.
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