So, This is usually a delicate subject to discuss for some people, and I've been curious to see the opinions upon the matter here on Vizzed. Just please, try and be open-minded if possible.

What are your thoughts regarding the idea of committing suicide? 
Do you think it can be justified? Depends on the situation? It's a coward attitude? What do you think of it?

As for my personal opinion upon the matter, I find the idea of committing suicide completely reasonable, at least most of the times. The reason for me to think like that is somewhat simplistic. I consider the mind, in this case the idea of consciousness specifically, as the place where every single thing exists. "Everything" only exists on your mind, because you've learned about it. Now, most of the cases of people that commit suicide, is related to some sort of frustration or being incapable of handling a matter or situation. These can be seen as challenges of the Life, Probation, etc... There might be many solutions to a situation, but sometimes there are situations that might be (or seem) way beyond your power. But the thing is, the problems, situations and everything around us, only exists if you acknowledge it's existence, it's only a problem, if you decide to classify it as one. Therefore, if you end your consciousness, the problem doesn't exists, which can be seen as a solution. You can also simply change your view on the matter at hand, but people seems to have problems doing that, since it's common for someone to fail when trying to convince people that want to suicide, to give up or change their mind.

If you have read it so far, You obviously noticed I believe that when you die, It's actually over. I don't want for this to be a debate about religion, but I should probably clarify that I don't believe in life after death, since it lacks concrete evidence to back it up. Besides faith, there's no way to prove it and since I'm agnostic about the things I consider myself incapable to prove, I don't believe on it.

Now that I got this out of the way, what are your opinions?? Feel free to share.

There is a time and place for everything. If I am slowly and painfully dying of a terminal illness, I would absolutely kill myself.

I dont think suicide is the answer to depression and the like. I think if they still teel that way after visiting a psychiatrist and addresing what they regard as their issuee then ultimately its their choice.
Same thing for debilitating illnesses.  I pretty much think euthanasia should be legal.

I've already decided that I'm going to off myself if I develop Alzheimer's. Maybe I'll eat a gun, but I'd like to jump off of a high place. I'd rather have my surviving family members know I died painlessly than know I forgot about those dear to me, soiled my pants a few times, and died horribly.

I know the vast majority of people would disagree with this, but I think that one should have the right to die whenever they feel it's necessary.

I don't think suicide is even necessary I'm sure if there is a problem there are a ton of better solutions than attempting suicide.

(no offense to anyone, sorry if I offend that was not my intent)

Well it all depends on the situation to me, if your a youth being bullied and you commit suicide I find that rather pathetic that you would end your life over someone's actions even if it was physical or verbal abuse you could have gotten help and or just told someone that could help you(I see hat as a cowards way out). I also feel as tho if your an adult and you comment suicide because your experiencing hard times or hard situations that is also pathetic, your a(n) adult grow up and find a solution(I see that as also a cowards way out). The only time I feel suicide is some what understandable and justifiable is if you were a female victim of rape(but I'm not getting into graphic detail on that subject).

To commit suicide because one can no longer deal with a non-terminal problem in one's life is an incredibly selfish thing to do. It shows a complete disregard for everyone else, and it causes far more problems than it could ever solve.


What people who consider suicide to be a valid option often fail to realize is just how much damage suicide victims can do to their friends, their families, and their communities. It's painful enough to lose somebody you care about, but to lose such a person to suicide can easily you feel responsible for the death. What if it happened because you didn't care enough? What if you did something to make them feel suicidal? What if you could have stopped them? These questions can weigh heavily on people for the rest of their lives, and the pain can be enough to drive others to suicide as well, creating a vicious cycle of misery and death. Some people believe that nobody cares about them enough to cause such a problem, but there's surely at least one person who cares, even if in secret; even if nobody did care, the old saying holds true: some people don't realize what they have until it's gone.

Additionally, there are almost no valid reasons to commit suicide even if nobody else mattered. A lot of people who are suicidal are young and reasonably healthy. The pain they experience can usually heal or vanish with time, allowing them to live happy, normal lives. If suicide is seen as a solution to a problem, then why should it be considered when there are better alternatives? It may be more difficult to endure the pain than to die, but with a long future ahead that could be filled with happiness and opportunity, isn't it worth it? More often than not, people who are suicidal need some sort of help, and the decision to commit suicide is not rational. Once they're received the help they need, they usually realize that suicide would be a mistake, and they're glad to still be alive. To allow people to kill themselves simply because it's their choice is simply irresponsible; nobody should be denied a future because they mistakenly believed it wasn't worth it at some point.

The only form of suicide in response to personal problems I believe is understandable is in the case of euthanasia, where one literally has no choice but to die painlessly now or of miserable soon. Few people outside of the elderly and the terminally ill ever face such a situation, though, so it shouldn't be an option to anybody else.


I've personally had several friends who have been suicidal, but thankfully not one has ever died. I would be absolutely devastated if any of them did, though, so I've done everything I can to help them. They have all thanked me for my efforts, telling me that they're glad to know that somebody cares. I can't say for sure if I have ever saved any lives, but it really does mean a lot to these people to know that somebody is there for them. If any of you know somebody who is suicidal, please do what you can to help. Believe me, it's worth it.

ya use to be then i though to myself life can be worse and i was being a cry baby and i got a life to live and family who care about me

GottlosMann : I share the same view as you on that matter. I see as if you have Alzheimer, then you are already dead. You can try to retard the process with medications and treatment, but at some point, there will only be your body left. Alzheimer is one of the things that make me think that finishing your consciousness, ends everything...

Also, I would like to say I know a person that has Alzheimer. I used to talk with her when I was little, spend time at her house playing with her cat and such. Today she can't recognize me, nor anyone around her, nor does she still resembles anything she might have ever been in the past. Makes me pretty sad.


Q : I see your point, but I'd like to bring a different perspective on the matter.

Yes, the attitude of committing suicide is completely selfish, one cannot deny that. But selfish or not, after you die, it won't matter, you won't be conscious anymore to see, nor feel guilty about the consequences of your attitude. You can do these while you are still alive though, and also think about those that care about you, or things you might enjoy in life and these might even keep you alive, but the fact is that after suicide, none of these will mean anything. Selfishness, Compassion, Depression, Diseases, etc... Will all be meaningless. I agree that it's a selfish attitude, I would even go as far as to say that suicide might be the epitome of selfishness, but then again, the human being can't live without being selfish, even though at different levels.

As I described and explained, MY view of suicide is rational to me. But I also agree with you that many people who commit suicide, usually are not being rational. Quite the opposite in fact, it's common for people to commit suicide simply from despair, so you can't say it's a rational attitude. But there are many reasons and circumstances for leading someone to commit suicide, we shouldn't generalize, each situation is different. 

And regarding whether or not should we "allow" people to decide upon suicide or not, and that being irresponsible... I completely disagree here. The world imposes many things upon people when they are born, there's a system, rules, laws and many other things that try to control and limit someone's attitude. I see being denied and prevented to decide what do with your own life, as if your life isn't really yours anymore to begin with. If you can't decide upon whether you want to live or not, then you don't own your life, someone else does. If that's the case, it might only be another motive for committing suicide, as a way to protest. I wouldn't do such a thing for this reason, nor am I saying people should, I'm just stating my point of view on the matter.

mvhupsel : You didn't address any of my points regarding the effects of suicide on everybody else. In my opinion, that is by far the biggest issue here, and it can't simply be ignored because the problem "won't exist" from the perspective of somebody who dies; suicide creates countless problems for those who know this person. If we can ignore such problems, then why shouldn't we murder people if the victims will never experience the problems themselves? If it's an issue of choice, then why does the person's choice matter if nothing else does?

If the majority of people who commit suicide do so from irrational reasons, why should we give anybody the benefit of the doubt? Even if we ignore the effects on everybody else, we can't simply say, "That guy was being rational about his suicide, so it's okay that he died," as we would have no idea if that's actually true. Each situation is different, as you said, but since there are lives at stake here, we have to assume the worst. Besides, I question how "rational" suicide really is, since it's incredibly selfish by nature, and it's a permanent solution to a temporary problem outside of euthanasia. What is rational about ending your live over a problem with a better solution, bringing incredible grief to anyone who cares about you, and denying the world any achievements you may accomplish in the future? There are a few contrived cases where suicide is, indeed, rational and perhaps even selfless, but unless we know that it is for sure, we have to assume that it's not.

I'm not suggesting that we should somehow force everyone to live in some sort of bizarre police state when I say that we shouldn't allow people to commit suicide, mind you. I'm saying that suicide should never be encouraged, and that if you know somebody who is suicidal, you should try to intervene. To encourage suicide or to neglect a suicidal person is definitely irresponsible, and I frankly find the opinion that suicide can be "reasonable" to be dangerous and irrational. This isn't about freedom. This is about compassion for other human beings. If we allow people to lose their one and only lives when, with time, they would have rather stayed alive, how much better are we than murderers?

Q : Okay, now you have started to distort what I've said. I didn't address anything you've said regarding the effects on other people lifes because I found that was irrelevant to the point I was making. I don't want to make an emotional appeal trying to convince people to commit / not commit suicide. This isn't the point. My point was, Something only has a meaning for those alive, therefore if you're not alive = it doesn't means anything. Doesn't mean you shouldn't ponder about people/things meaning to you, after all, we're all alive. But that wasn't the point, what I stated was that it was rational in my opinion, I didn't state it was correct or wrong, there's a difference. Not everything that's rational is correct. Not everything that is reasonable or justifiable is correct, we all should know that, it's completely obvious. Also, murder? Really, fallacies now? Just because suicide and murder both are related to dying, doesn't means they are similar situations. Yes you can choose to murder people as much as you can choose to commit suicide, but as far as I can tell, when you suicide, you are choosing to finish your own life, which you should have the right to do, since the life is yours, as much selfish as that may be. When you murder someone, you're doing so without the person allowing you to, nor having decided to die, otherwise it wouldn't be called "murder". I can smoke Cigarettes or Marijuana, both also being similar and prejudicing you, but are the consequences for smoking Cigarettes and Marijuana alike just because both can be smoked? I think not...

Call me whatever you want, but I don't care if someone will or will not suicide because of what I say or don't. If I wanted to accomplish any of these, I wouldn't be discussing things on a perspective like that. Selfish or not, for me doesn't matters, what I'm discussing are the reasons people might have to justify what they think about committing suicide or not, I'm not asking if it's right or wrong or if people should or shouldn't do it. You can express these thoughts if you want, but that's not the discussion at hand.

What I did in this thread was simply expose my point of view on the matter and explain the reasons as of why I have it, then asked for your opinions on the matter. You have the right to say and think whatever you want to, but you don't need to distort what I said because of that. You can, but that doesn't mean I'll accept it.

I totally get it in response to terminal illnesses... and especially to Alzheimer's... I've seen how people look at the end of that and it is not pretty. I never, ever want to go like that.

Now, if it is the response to depression or bullying or something like that I do understand the mentality but I think it's basically rage-quitting life. It is childish.

Of course, we also have the idea of seppuku, or ritual suicide to preserve one's honor. Granted it is not practiced much in modern society, but the concept does exist and not just in Japan. Soldiers have chosen to kill themselves rather than give up secrets to the enemy, for example. The phase "death before dishonor" comes to mind in this case. They see themselves as sacrificing themselves for a greater good. It is still suicide, but it lacks the same stigma that a guy with his mouth wrapped around a tailpipe has.

I wen thought this phase numerous times in the past (but not anymore), that I wanted to kill myself, but if you have an illness that is going to kill you no matter what, it's better to kill yourself quickly than you dying slowly.

Yes, the situation says it all, if it is very complicated and it seems like the situation is very bad then it would seem that suicide would be the easy way out of facing something bad. If life is tough and there is something you can't overcome or you can't deal with depression, then it would seem like suicide would be the most logical thing to do and would be the easiest way of avoiding something. I think that it is in their choice though, it all depends on how they handle the situation and how they approach it.


Personally, I have been really depressed at school and I hated the experience, but I never considered suicide as an option, I dealt with it. It all depends on how you want to take it and how you deal with it in the end. Suicide may be the only option some people want to consider because it is the easiest way out of something. No matter how bad things may get, there is always a better option than suicide and making all the ones who care about you miserable. So overall, I think it really depend on how you want to handle it, everyone is free to do what they want with their life and that is what it all comes down to in the end

marcus047 :
I'd have to agree with you on that about 66%. I see all acts of suicide as a pathetic and cowardice move unless you are about to face a completley agonizing death like slowly being burned to death in a house or something

Regarding Suicide, here is my opinion on the subject.Well it all depends on the situation to me.If your a youth being bullied and you commit suicide I find that rather pathetic that you would end your life over someone's actions even if it was physical or verbal abuse you could have gotten help and or just told someone that could help you(I see hat as a cowards way out). I also feel as tho if your an adult and you comment suicide because your experiencing hard times or hard situations that is also pathetic, your a(n) adult grow up and find a solution(I see that as also a cowards way out). The only time I feel suicide is some what understandable and justifiable is if you were a  victim of rape.

I think suicide should be allowed given that theres not a solution to the pain the person is experiencing
I mean we already put down other animals that are in pain.
But when it comes to humans we have to cling to every little possibility of life even if we know that it ultimately wont end good.
At the end of the day a human decides over their own life and what they want to do with it.

I believe there are very few situations in which suicide is not a bad choice, by virtue of the hopelessness necessary for such an action. I believe that all people should try to maintain hope as strongly as possible, as long as possible. However, in situations where one has lost all hope, I believe suicide is a fairly reasonable action, and I have no moral objections to it. On the other hand, there are actions that would almost certainly result in death, as a sort of assisted suicide, that could, possibly do some good for the world. For example, trying to talk down a murderer or other criminal.

mvhupsel : trust me suicide is just not cool I know that the number 1 reason for youth suicide is cyber bulling and how I know that what you say  or post stays there forever and it can not be erased and if the person knows that there being cyber bullied it can drive them on a path of killing them self and if they have to go behind there profile and say bad stuff then they don't need a computer i for 1 am planning to put a stop to this madness once and for all 

There have been quite a few suicides in my circle of friends. Either friends of my own, friends of friends or relatives or relatives of friends. Plus a number of cases when somebody has overdosed but have not left a note behind so it is hard to tell if it was an accident or not.

The pointlessness of these deaths have gotten rid of all the angsty thoughts of self destruction I used to have myself. I mean, these are the cards I have now and I want to see them through. Whatever  were the reasons for the people I have known to take their lives, I wish not to give them glory for it yet I cannot fault them since I have always believed your life is yours and not anyone elses. Yet, when you survive and live on when somebody else commits suicide, you always bare a little bit of guilt. At least I do. I also feel a bit guilty for a death of my friend who was victim of a homicide, even though it had nothing to do with me. It is just that "maybe I could have done something, said something and things would have been different". Though it is very easy to be smart in hindsight.

But seeing all the death just makes me want to be alive more than ever.

I think after a certain age, there comes a point of just prolonging the inevitable. You see old people who can hardly move, in horrible pain, or their brains have deteriorated. Not just old people either, people who have terminal illnesses in insufferable conditions.

This is why I think assisted suicide should be available, I think that would give the family a proper situation to say goodbye in person(there's a good frontline documentary about assisted suicide that I think everyone should see). I also think that if it was more openly dealt with, people might take a bit more time to think about whether or not they should end their own life.

I watched my grandmother go through a horrific battle with pancreatic cancer this past year, which I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. She died after months of pain, If I were to ever be in that situation, I've already decided that I'm going to just "nip it in the bud"

Your body is just about the only thing you really own in this world, and you should have the power to do whatever you want with it.

I do have to admit that earlier in my life, I felt like they wasn't anywhere else I could turn and only think the only way out it to take my own life, but then, when I got older, I was thinking that could make things even worse for not just yourself, but to also your family and friends can be affect with this as well, and a lot of people don't really want you to take your own life, if your friends and family doesn't like you, physically, but mentally they love you more than anything. so to my Point of View, you shouldn't really take your own life, it's not worth it.

Well suicide is straight up not right .  No matter what reason there is to want to take your life .... you can move on from it . Life is a gift that many of the deceased ( if they could wish ) wish they had . It would be rather foolish to want to take away such a wonderful gift as life . Especially if you are the one taking it away from your self . Everyone is going to die in their own time ... why rush ? 

Suicide is illogical. It is never reasonable to choose death. Life sucks? It always sucks. Still doesn't mean that death is the better option.

With life is opportunity for every possible good thing. Death leads to nothing.

The common argument is that death is a "release". The cure is worse than the disease. To live with pain is better than death. Death is nothingness and cannot be changed. A painful life is full of opportunity to for joy.

The elderly are not an exception. They will continue to age and health will continue to fail, but the pain experienced does not make a meaningful existence impossible. Many elderly have lots of joy toward the end of their lives, even with pain, and even if they are not happy now, life is always full of opportunity for change.

well it depends. if youre talking about how we feel about other people committing suicide, it dosent mater. its not our lives, and how we feel about life has nothing to do with anything.

as for myself, i have no inherent desire to die right now, but when i do, it will be by jumping off a nice tall cliff with a beautiful view of an ocean, forest, or both if possible.

I think that if the person really does feel the need to end their life, then I wouldn't object in any way. I would never truly know what anyone else has gone through; so why should I even attempt to stop them doing what they want? If they were just having small problems though, I'd try to help them in every way possible.

I am also agnostic, and I don't think there is anything waiting for someone after death either. I don't claim to know this for sure or mean an insult to anyone who believes otherwise. Also, if some sort of solid evidence proves otherwise, my thoughts on it might change. As far as suicide goes, I believe that in some cases it may be appropriate (EG You will be tortured for information and killed afterwards, you are injured and you know you will bleed out and you want to end your own misery, etc.), but in most cases it occurs because someone who needed mental help didn't get any, or someone thinks they can't go on living due to some horrible event in their lives. I think that suicide in those cases could be avoided. If people can recognize abnormal behavior in someone and report it, then those people could get help and learn that they do still have something to live for. In my opinion it just isn't worth it.