Sword legion: Dear Sword legion, the view you suggested is what's called Open Theism. It is not an orthodox teaching of Christianity, it doesn't take the entire Bible as a whole into account, and it's heretical. You want to be careful of how you approach this subject because from the way that you started out your argument, you started out with "If God knew everything that would happen, from the beginning of time, Then why did he create humans?" You did not even first look at what the Bible teaches about God, but to start off with how your mind thinks God is like.

Anyways, the Bible continually suggests that God knows the future. When God created Satan, he knew that Satan was going to rebel. God didn't program him to go against God and like all creation, God made them good, but it was by Satan's free will that decided to rebel against God. And it was in Revelation that God stated that those who are not written in the Book of Life will be thrown in the Lake of Fire. If you looked at my example, Jesus is actually telling Peter what WILL happen and WHEN will it happen. (Luke 22:34) Jesus even hinted Peter how he will die (Book of John). In fact, the whole point of this thread is to talk about what God said that WILL happen. Prophesies are those types of things. That God knew about the future and which is why He can say what will happen in the future in detail. 

And if you really like people to reference the Bible on theological topics, then you need to respond to them because if your beliefs do not line up to what the Bible is saying, you are not believing scripture. It is the Psalmist who said that "Even before a word is on my tongue, behold, O Lord, you know it altogether" (Psalm 139:4) In Isaiah, it wrote " Behold, the former things have I come to pass, and new things I now declare; before they spring forth I tell you of them." Even you, like how God told Jeremiah that "before I formed you in the womb I knew you" (Jeremiah 1:5 emphasis added)

Finally,  the reason why this view is opposite to Christianity because you overemphasize free will in this topic that you forgot about God's sovereignty. If you look at our salvation, God foreknew, then predestined, then called, then we are justified and glorified (Romans 8:29-30). Because we are depraved, if it is only by our free will, we would never choose God because no one can do good on their own(Romans 3). If God didn't already worked in our hurts, we would not have even wanted to come to God.

To answer your first question, ultimately everything that God does is to bring more Glory to God. Why did God created the world and us? Because it's for His Glory as a Creator. Why did Jesus need to come into our lives to redeem us? It's for His Glory to show that God is a merciful God. Why are some people saved and others condemned? It's for His Glory that He is just in punishing sin.

All of these examples show that when God talks about the future, He is saying that it will happen.

sonicmcmuffin : You make it sound like Christians do not enjoy themselves when they follow God, we in fact we are able to enjoy God and enjoy our lives because we are set free from sin. Even you should know that there are things that are wrong but seem fun, but when you actually do it, it brings problems (not just consequences) and it doesn't seem fun anymore. Also, what SoL@R said is true, that you profit nothing from getting everything in the world, yet lose your own soul. The wrath of God is justice because of how sinful we really are, which is why Christ's death is so important and such an act of Grace! When someone is saved, they don't just have their slate clean, but because they are a new creation because now they love God and hate sin and they would desire for the things that are holy. They wouldn't be forced to be like God, they want to be like God and to be holy.

Sword legion : Fix summon

play4fun :  Also it kind of sounds like that the only reason people "love" god is so that they can be holy like he is, but surely that is for personal gain aka selfishness.

Literally everything you say makes god sounds like a complete narcissist...

also please don't assume i'm against Christianity or your beliefs.. i'm actually open minded. 

not that it matters, you have clearly stated that several times i will suffer and be in agony etc etc. 

sonicmcmuffin : Actually people who truly come to Christ is because they know that they are not holy, in fact they are far from it. Since we are still in our earthly corrupt body, no one will be perfectly sinless, but you will see a progression that God does in one's life. You will see a change in a person to want to be more like Christ. That is divine work right there. God not only saves us from our sins, past, present, and future, but also saves us by actively reforming our lives, purifying our hearts to desire good.

In reality, what God does will bring Glory to Him. It doesn't make him narcissistic because He actually cares and loves about others. He doesn't even need us to bring Him Glory, but that anything that He does affirms his goodness and justice and love, which in the end, brings Him glory. In fact, a narcissist does not willing sacrifice himself in order to save someone else. That action is the greatest act of love.

I didn't assume that. I was just saying that it sounds like you said that Christians can't enjoy life, which there are people who believe that. Some even go and say that Christians are "boring."

When did I specifically say that you will suffer and be in agony? You are still in this life. I think all I said is that if someone does not repent and put their trust in Christ, then they are to pay for their sins on their own, which no one can. As a just God, He will punish those whose sins are not reconciled and are still living in their sins.

play4fun :

What I have decided about free will I have believed for a long time.
I'm not changing it as it makes more sense to me and it does not contradict the Bible.

I still believe that God is all knowing, but my definition of all knowing is different from your definition of all knowing.

I do not believe that it is possible to have predicable free will people.
predictability and free will are contrastive qualities.

Perhaps you think that God not all powerful because he cannot make a rock so big that
he can't lift it?

Or maybe because He can't make a square circle.

He can't do that, it's impossible, so He's not all powerful anymore.

Or maybe your definition of all powerful is to broad.

Maybe he can't do it because it is simply impossible.

As master Yoda said.   "Always in motion is the future"
Does that help your understanding a little bit? Perhaps God can see the future, but he also sees how it
is constantly changing due to human free will. Prophecy actually could just be a warning, or passed judgement
that God will cause to happen when He is ready.


If God create a Universe and knows that some people are definitely going to go to hell, how is He not a tyrant?
How does God creating people who will automatically rebel against him from the beginning of time and end up in hell
bring him glory?

I know that you think that my belief is a heracy, but I would suggest (no offence man!) that to believe the
other way is making God a tyrant is illogical, and is a heracy.

This is what the orthodox Jews believe, no they aren't right about everything, but usually I find that they 
have a much better understanding of Biblical things that Christians with translated Bibles.

I've debated people about this before, the majority disagree with, other realize that they believe the same thing
that I do, they just never thought about.

Sword legion: I'm sorry, but this is now your pride talking and not your willingness to seek the truth. You have yet to respond to ANY of the scriptures that is being posted and you continue to support your ideas under your feelings and your understandings and not providing scriptural support. You continue to say that "it makes no sense because that would make God a tyrant" Well, yeah, if you look at it one sided like that, but what matters is not how you feel about it, but of what scripture says, and scripture brings out that view on all sides. This is how solid doctrine is form, on the basis of what scripture says. There are people who feel uncomfortable with hell, or the Old Testament. Does this mean that they can just say that it's wrong and just ignore all of those things? No. They are biblical truths because of what we reason in scripture.

To say things like "prophesy could just be a warning" really shows that you haven't thought this through or read it clearly. Do you even know what the word "prophesy" means? Does it ever occur to you what Jesus meant when He told His disciples "I am telling you this now, before it takes place" (John 13:19)

I understand what you are saying about God cannot make a square a circle, but that's because they are logically different names of different items, so it is not possible for God to do things that will contradicts itself. That goes the same way with how God cannot sin, because in doing so, it would contradict His other attributes, which is holiness. It does not diminish him from being all powerful. However, the belief of Open Theism breaks down God's attribute. It breaks down the idea that God is all knowing, especially when scripture describes "all-knowing" in time and in actions and thoughts.

If you are saying that you have been believing this for a long time, then you are still thinking with a young and hardened mind. You are only 17. You still got a lot to learn in terms of theology and to think that whatever philosophy that pops in your head is correct without approaching scripture wholly is a dangerous move and heretics of the past have done the same thing. Some even go even further and reject certain parts of the Bible completely in order to affirm they are correct. Listen, I don't take the word "heresy" lightly. By definition, it means "unorthodox." In theology, it means that those who believe in heresy and unwillingly try to understand truth do not believe in the same Christian God and are no different to those who are not Christians and are under God's curse. (Galatians 1:8) This is why you should not take this lightly.

I'll say this again, Doctrine is not formed by your own feelings, for they can be wrong. That is why we need to base it off of what scripture says. I ask you to please do more research on this. I don't care if you go look up other apologists like William Craig, Ravi Zacharias, Norman Geisler, James White, or even Wretched's Todd Friel, all of them will tell you how Open Theism contradicts what the Bible teaches and is heretical and not biblical.

UNTIL you are actually willing to respond to any of the scriptures (at the very least respond to Isaiah 46:10), I'm not to going to respond to you due to your poor desire to seek truth in scripture and unreasonable approach in debating. You can't debate when the opponent is unwilling to examine the evidence and focus more on their gut feeling.

Sword legion : Summon fail

thenumberone :  I too apologise for my late reply.  My attention was required elsewhere

Just for the record, I'll do my best to answer some of your questions, with the emphasis on some.  I'm sure you'll understand that I cannot answer every single question as some kinda digress from the current topic.  If there's questions left "unanswered", PM me and I'll be happy to express my views.  Also, I think I have said what I wanted to say and again, some of the questions that you have raised have in a way already been answered, so this will be my "closing" post on the matter.

"God did not create Himself"
So Jesus is a different entity?
"He always was, is and always will be"
The universe always was, is and always will be.
Why is that less plausible? I realise you didnt specifically say that but its just a question i have since a lot of christians act like it is less plausible.

To understand this fully, you have to understand the doctrine of the Trinity completely and in all honesty, it is one of those things that is quite difficult even for most Christians to comprehend.  It is one of the most important doctrines in the Christian faith.  Any belief about the Trinity must come from the Bible and the Bible alone, because the subject of the Trinity is holy ground since it discusses the nature of the one, true God.  The Bible teaches that there is one eternal God who is the Creator and Sustainer of the universe.  He is the only God that exists.  However, within the nature of this one God are three persons or three centers of consciousness - the Father (God), the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit.  These three Persons are co-equal and co-eternal and they are also distinct from one another.  These three distinct Persons are the one God.  Everything that is true about God is true about the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.  While the Bible teaches this, it is incorrect to limit God to one particular member of the Trinity.  The members of the Trinity have different roles though they are equal in character.  Each member of the Trinity is equally important although Christians tend to emphasize Jesus, the second Person of Trinity.  There is no real analogy to the Trinity to which humans can compare the Trinity since our natural mind cannot comprehend how one can be three and three can be one.  It is difficult to understand.  The Trinity is one of those things that we as Christians must accept by faith because the scriptures teaches it.

Why go to such a drawn out proccess to achieve the same thing?
That is my confusion.

To answer this you must understand the attributes of God.  On the contrary, no one will ever understand God fully although He has revealed His character to us in the Bible.  Even the Bible testifies of this.  He is Almighty, perfect and holy - He is too much for our puny minds to comprehend. He wouldn't be God if we could understand Him fully.  I think I have explained already how He, the perfect Being had to make a way for us to be saved from all the sin and destruction, WE have caused.  You know, we broke the law, we have to pay, but He made a Way.  I've explained the whole thing about the sacrifice and the reason for that.  The God of the universe loved you so much that He had to come down to earth in the person of Jesus Christ, the only sinless man that walked the earth, that was the only acceptable sacrifice or payment for our sins, so that you could be set free of the judgment to come.

Why is it that when man rebelled against god, we got sent to earth where he sought to rehabilitate us, but when satan rebelled he was sent to a pit of fire, of which he was designated ruler? It seems in that context god wanted to create this evil force.

We were not sent to earth because we rebelled against God.  Man was created here on earth by God and then Adam and Eve disobeyed His warning not to eat the fruit from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the garden of Eden and so sin came into the world by their own choice not to listen (really short version).  God created hell FOR Satan and his followers where they will be cast in or locked up one day on the Day of Judgment.  I've already answered the question, "Why did God create evil?"

Why has god disposed of us several times (exile to earth, the flood etc) and yet this time round, intends to just exile us all to hell?

Not all of us.  Only those who has time and time again refused to receive His free gift of grace and everlasting life.  A serial killer for example will ultimately face death, because he's chosen to have no disregard for human life, let alone the law.  It's a major event in Bible prophecy, an event that will end Satan's reign and all suffering that we are enduring here on earth today.  You can choose where you want to go.  This time around it will be a new heaven and a new earth without evil and of course the destruction that sin brings.  Don't you want to have part in that?
 Do you think the above is loving and just? Would you do that to your children if they would not follow you?  Of course I would not do it to my CHILDREN.  That's the whole point.  If you are God's CHILD you will escape judgment.  If you admit that you have broken His law, overstepped His boundaries that He set there to protect you and believe and trust in Jesus Christ then you will not face death.  You will become His child.  You are not a child of God just by existing on this earth.  You have to do the above to "qualify".  Only if you come to know God by being His child, your eyes will be opened to the things of this life that you are blind to.  Things that you've never seen as being "a sin" will be shown to you as being evil, because God will transform you from the inside, making you to become more pure and holy like He is.  God can't really be compared to any earthly analogy, but I've already explained the whole courtroom analogy of being fair and just and about the parent disciplining his child out of love.  

Why exactly do the jews get help, and not the muslims?

Whole separate thread.  PM my if you are interested in my view.

Before you were arguing gods reasons for giving us choice, now you are arguing for it to be taken?

I think you misunderstand.  If you fully understand what God has done for humanity and knew of all the riches and glory that God has in store for the people that believe and trust in Him, you would not even want to choose to do evil things and sin.  Stuff that separates you from God.

I thought the point of the thing was god wanted his creations to be pure. With the removal of evil they would be. Does it matter which road you take when you arrive at the same destination?
What else does he seek?they would be pure, and hence what he had hoped we would be when he created us (despite being all knowing).

Have a read through my original post again.  Especially the sequence of events.  Yes, God desires us to be pure like Him, but the only way to become "like Him" is to accept and trust Him with your whole heart.  You cannot change yourself.  By making the choice to follow Him HE will change your heart and your mind.  Again, by doing this you become part of His future kingdom, but because we are still on this earth that is still full of sin and by being in this frail, earthly bodies, we are still prone to sin.  On this earth we will strive to become more holy and pure because we want to, because God lives in us by His Spirit.  We want to do His will and we want to seek His purpose for us in our lives, because His purpose for us is far greater than what we can imagine.  You will not and cannot understand this if you have not accepted Jesus Christ in your life, as I have mentioned before.  By everyday living a life that Christ wants for you, you will be ready on that (unknown and unexpected) day when the believers will be taken up to meet Him in the air (rapture).  7 year Tribulation starts on earth where all hell will break loose.  Jesus comes back with all the believers that went up with Him the first time (as well as all the angels and the people that's currently in heaven) to judge the remaining "survivors" here on earth after the Tribulation.  Some people would have chosen to follow Christ during the Tribulation, so THOSE people will also be allowed into His earthly kingdom.  Evil will then be removed on earth during His 1000 year reign on earth.  All the people that chose to reject Him completely and Satan will be removed.  Only the true believers in Christ will remain to live for a 1000 years in NEW, GLORIFIED bodies here on earth.  There would be peace and no sin.  There would be no rebellion again as sin would not be present.  So, there is not many paths to this one destination.  Only one way as I have mentioned many times before.  By repenting your sins and trusting and believing in Jesus Christ will you be saved.  There's no other way and I close with this.

Oh, you want me to explain why I don't believe that those scriptures contradict my beliefs.

Oh, yeah, don't attack the person over the argument, yes, I'm 17 but if I find truth and it stands, it is truth.
This is the first time that I have heard a term for my beliefs.

Anyways, here is my defense against the scriptures.

Isaiah 46:10

"Declaring the beginning from the end"

God know the beginning and the end.

When I play Ocarina of time it has the same opening cutscene and the same ending cutscene.
But, how I play through the game is dependent on my decisions, will I use a longsword against Dark Link,
or the Master Sword and Hylian shield?

God made the beginning, so he knows all about it. He also has a plan for the end.

John 13:19

Jesus knew that Judas would betray him. Judas was the only apostle that was not called.
Jesus allowed a greedy man to come with him in his ministry. We are told in earlier verses in the
Bible about how Judas was keeping money for himself. Satan thrifted Judas, He planned to thrift the "weaker vessal"
of Jesus's apostles from the moment God planned to use Jesus as the sacrifice for our sins.


And with that I have to go. (I have really good parents who don't let me spend all of my time on the computer).
I wish to debate thenumberone next time since I don't have a lot of time on the computer.

Sword legion : Yeah, of course. People can't just say that this scripture doesn't contradict my beliefs, because there can be wrong ways to interpret things. The only time you really don't need to explain yourself is if the explanation is literally reading what the verse says with no extra effort.

I'm just telling you that it is foolish to say that something that you believe will not change because you believed it for a long time. I'm saying that as 17, to say that you believed it for a long time isn't saying much. 

Now, for Isaiah 46:10....you just said that that God knows the beginning and the end...that contradicts what you said that God doesn't know the future. Also, your Ocarina of Time analogy breaks down in two ways: 1) you do have to do certain things that are programmed for you to do in order to reach the end. You are also not the creator of the game. 2) This analogy contradicts what Revelation represents, which is a detail description of what will happen in the End times in a time span.

John 13:19. I'm confused when you said that Judas was not called. That is saying that God planned out that Judas was going to betray Jesus.

play4fun :

Ok, the basic  breakdown, or prophecy.

For Revelation, God knows many details because there are two entities that
will cause it to happen.

Satan 

God

They both have come up with a plan and they will not change as of the basic 
structure of the plan that God has give us.

You didn't know about Judas not being called by Jesus?

Well, another important detail is that Judas already decided
what he was going to do, before Jesus proclaimed it.


I came up with this belief when I was around 11 years of age, that's when I started 
enjoying talking about politics and religion.

I had come to realize that If God knew the future perfectly, all of the time then that means that free will is automatically
eliminated.

I believe that you attacked my desire to search for the truth, saying that I wasn't really wanting
find the truth.

I thought about that and I realized that I was afraid.

But the I remembered that the very Idea of free will is a Biblical concept.


If the Bible is against free will, then I would drop my faith. Because then I would 
be reduced to nothing but a complicated robot. I could not change my destiny. 

The Bible would become like the Dark Prognosticus. The evil book that prophesied everyone's
future, and ultimately catastrophic doom. 

I would not believe in or follow such a book.


I have constructed four basic points using the Bible and basic logic on why I reject
the idea that all knowing includes the future.


     1 God is holy

How can God program a robot, know exactly what it will do, not really giving it 
a free will, make the robot do evil?

    2 God is righteous

God builds a robot, programs it to shoot an innocent civilian
and then says the robot sinned, But the robot is not an accountable 
being!

     3 God is just

God builds a robot again, he programs it to sin.
God holds the robot accountable for doing what He
doomed it to do from the beginning of time.


     4 God gives us choices

God not only uses the word if in the Bible, (IF my people who are
called by my name. . . ) but the word choice is actually use as well.

You should know this verse.

"Chose you this day whom ye will serve, as for me and my 
house, we will serve the Lord."



God can predict the future to a certain degree, but a lot depends on free will.

You and Sol@r are great Christians, and I appreciate that you want to remove heresy.  

Everyone take cover.
I am named after an angel, my neighbor is playing his trumpet, and I just broke the seal to a fresh can of coffee. (Que the Twilight Zone Music.)
(It's a good Joke.)

Anyone ever figure out what all of the seven seals are? Where they are located?
Or was that just a flowery way of phrasing things?
Same question for the Trumpets and the Beasts and such.

Do our trumpets sound the same as the ones they had?

I heard so many "Holy men" talk about the end of days that I took a ten year pass on church all together. For some reason they all figured after 1996 that the end was coming soon. I also noticed they were all in their fifties at the time too.
Then...
I go to a church with a younger "Pastor", "Preacher", or whatever and they tend to talk about other lessons for the day.
Coincidence? I think not.

I would make a vanity reference, BUT I am certain that those particular leaders honestly believed that "the end was neigh."

Hope my post does not cause too much a problem I thought that a little humor might sound a little better at the days first light.
Plus this subject is a little much for a recreation site. (Dontcha think?)
Good Luck.

Good Luck To All.
I'm done. Stick a fork in me.
Peace.

Sword legion :  

You said that you were afraid when I said that you do not desire to search for the truth. Good. You SHOULD be afraid. It can be a scary position to be in a position where you are not seeking the truth or too prideful to look deeper. My huge problem is when you said that you "will never change your mind" because you have believed this since you were 11. That you are depending on what you believed when you are 11, when you still have a lot to learn in terms of philosophy and theology, and that you will "never" change is a sign of prideful stubbornness. You don't say that to your pastor (who probably studied the word a lot longer than you), do you?  It is of the same stubbornness as the pharaoh who would not let the Hebrews go even with the power of God shown from the plagues appearing in front of him. In the same way, now you are doing the same thing that you did before, going back to your own thinking of God is like while ignoring what scripture says. Even when you respond to scripture, you rewording or rethinking your position or the scripture to make it seem to fit your viewpoint (You at first said God does not know the future, then you said God knows the future, but to a certain degree) From what I told you before, it is clear that God knows the future and all of the future, from the general details of End Times in Revelation, to the specific details of each person (like when Peter denied Christ. Peter didn't plan on doing that originally, but Jesus predicted that he will do it)

Your 4 basic points here have forgotten other parts of God's attributes that must demand that God knows the future: Omnipotence, Omnipresence, Omniscience, and Sovereignty. God is all powerful, always present, all knowing, and in control of everything. Denying that the Bible says that God knows the future will deny these biblical attributes of God to be true. 

Your thinking is also a logical fallacy called "false dilemma." The basis of your thinking is that if God knows everything, then it would contradict our free will. You think that we either have free will or God knows everything. This is a wrong way of thinking because these are not mutually exclusive. Just because God knows the future does not mean that we don't have free will or that we are robots. What we do in our future is still our responsibility and our own action. It is the same thing with Original sin and Personal Sin. Because Adam disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden, everyone beyond Adam is tainted by sin. However, the sinful things that we do are also legitimate reasons why we need to be saved as well. So us doing things by our own free will also leads to our future, but God knows the future, just like how God knew you before you existed, even though we know how you came to be.

What I am telling you right now is that before you come back and even respond, go back and look at all the scriptures that were given to you and study them. Really study them. Look at what scripture says, for it is from the Bible that we know what God is like. We interpret scripture as a whole and not picking and choosing different parts to support our understanding. That is Theology 101. Don't base on what you think God should be like and then look at scripture for support of your idea, because your own understanding CAN be wrong. First know your scriptures and understand what the Bible says God is like, then you use philosophy and logic to understand it from there. Most importantly, you continue to figure out and understand and test your understanding, and not to stop and say "ok, this has to be right, and I will never change."

play4fun :

I took a break from the debate.

Are you saying that the future is a ready decided?

Sword legion : As confident as we read God revealed how Babylon will be conquered by Persion, then Greece, then Rome, in the Book of Daniel, as confident as we read that Jesus predicted that he will be resurrected 3 days after His death, and as confident as we say that God will defeat evil in very end, yes.

play4fun :

Funny how the names of those places don't match up with today's names.

So your whole life is already written out. As was Hitler's, right?

If someone goes to hell, then they were going to hell from the beggining of time, right?
And God knew it right?

Is there anything that you can do to redirect your own future?

thenumberone :


Could I still entertain you with a "friendly" scrimage?

I must apologize that it has taken me this long to get back to you.

I am not exactly religious, I am more interested in the truth than religion, and have temporaraly 
dropped my faith because it looked wrong from time to time. I don't really want to be identified with
most Christians, well sorta, the reason being because my ideology can be quite different from most.


But anyways.

I believe in the Bible because I have discovered that what it reveals is the most accurate account of this worlds past.
Scientifically.

I do not believe that Evolution is an accurate explanation. Very honestly.


The first reason you already know, being the extremely high unliklyness of the big bang in the first place.
I know that ya said that you're a pessimist but I find that hard to believe as of your belief in the big bang.


reason 2


There are no real missing links, they just don't exist.
Scientists once believed that Evolution happened very quickly within one generation
because of the lack of evidence for quick evolution. Richard Dawkins said that without
gradualism, we're back to a miracle.

reason 3

Evolution has been under an experiment.
Someone has been breeding ecoli bacteria for a few years to see if he
could get them to evolve. He has created many variations of the original bacteria
but, they are all still ecoli bacteria. The amount of time spent in this experiment
is equated to millions of years of human evolution.

I think that if Evolution were true, we wouldn't just have more ecoli bacteria.

Sword legion :

This isnt meant as an insult but as an honest question, is english your first language? Its just sometimes i cant really tell what you are trying to say:
"I know that ya said that you're a pessimist but I find that hard to believe as of your belief in the big bang."
Are you trying to say you dont know how i can not believe creation but believe the big bang?
Because there is scientific evidence of it. We have even observed stars going supernova, elements being thrown out etc. Is it hard proven, no, but as yet most of the pieces fit. perhaps the general idea will change with time, but that is the beauty of the thing. there's always more to see and learn, and science doesn't hold onto things because of tradition or because its too embarassed to admit it was wrong. Science is progresive. Really, I only see religion as progressive to our own demise. If religion hadnt changed, we would still be banned from mapping the stars, puting forth theories of other universes, and declaring that the earth orbited the sun. All this was heresy, if a few brave men hadnt stepped from the shadows of oppression and announced the real 'truths', we would still be hacking each other with swords.

As for statistical probability, lets say (I am pulling this figure out of my *blank* so dont take it seriously, its a simplified example) there is perhaps, 0.5% of it happening. If there are maybe 120 trillion opportunitys for it to happen, then statistically, its almost certain to occur multiple times. Unlikely, yes, but even if you have a 0.1% chance of breaking your arm tomorrow, it doesent mean it cant or wont happen. If theres a 0.1% chance for someone on the earth to break there arm, there are what, 7 billion people?odds are good some people will.

"I believe in the Bible because I have discovered that what it reveals is the most accurate account of this worlds past.
Scientifically."
How?
The closest to the great floods has been catacysmic "regional" flooding.
Horde of locust, they are endemic in the middle east, that they ate egypts crops is not urprising, this happened periodically.
Creation, allmost all the animals created are, by evolution, fairely new species. No species before man, except perhaps things like crocodiles, are mentioned.

Those are a few historical truths of the bible, which dont really fit with what we know.
I am unsure what scientific theorys fit with the bible.

"There are no real missing links, they just don't exist.".
Have you excavated every patch of the earth? You realise that its very precise conditions that facilitate the preservation of bones, flesh, fossils etc? Soil composition, temperature, climate, rainfall, location, it all has to be pretty perfect to happen. The chances are probably on par with the big bang to be honest, given we are talking of preservation over millions, maybe billions of years (certainly billions with the dinosaurs we have).
It does happen though, again kinda reinforcing my previous point on probability.
As yet we havent found our main ancestors. Unsurprising. its not as simple as wanting to. Most fossils are accidentally found, with the exception of areas know to have high concentrations of them, due to the ideal conditions of the area. On top of that, we have no idea what we are looking for. Size, bone density, level below ground, regions, there are an astronomical number of variables and if we do find the missing link, it will probably be by chance.
That being said many probable traanstional remnants have been found
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_human_evolution_fossils

Reason 2:
I cant really tell what youre trying to say there.
Science puts evolution as a slow drawn out proccess. 98% of species are thought to be extinct already because of it. If you dont evove quicker than your rival, you die. Human evolution spans hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of years.

reason 3:
I cant refute that unless you refer me to this experiment, its not evidence in your favour until its put forward either.

thenumberone : I may be able to answer all of your questions at the moment but I did get the link to the study.


Evolution details revealed through 21-year E. coli experiment | Observations, Scientific American Blog Network

   

No, it's not a creation website.


My earlierpost has a typo, it should say "becuase of the lack of evidence for gradual evolution"

I like to use the word "ya" over the word "you" because it is a little "softer".

I find it a little funny that you question my English, because I have wondered about yours, (no offence) 
It's possibly due to our different locations on the globe.

I've gotto go now.