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As we all know, our flesh and our soul is sinful in nature due to the fact that it is imperfect, corrupted by the fallen world that we reside in. As Christians, we are to be above the world, in it but not of it, yet we still fall short from time to time because we take our eyes off Jesus. We, in a fleeting moment, forget what He did on the cross, even if it is but for a moment.

That being said, we know that grace is available to us, as He is a merciful God.

But sometimes there is some sin that just is reprehensible to the point of madness, and it's as if you cannot stop it even though you hate it so. Like you're powerless to stop getting drunk, or looking at pornography, or cursing someone out every time you get mad. And the worst part is that it happens often. It isn't an accidental slip of the tongue in a heated situation, it's one that continues to plague you despite your absolute hatred for that sin. Because in one fleeting moment, just as we have forgotten God, we have forgotten our hatred of that sin.

I've found that over time, with a consistent washing of the Word and a God-driven focus, a lot of that falls by the wayside. But sometimes when it rears its ugly head, it becomes overwhelming. I find myself saying, "God, I thought we've been through this before. I thought it was over. Why is this back in my life once again?" And every time, He gives me grace, despite the fact that I have defied Him and rejected His love.

I struggle like everyone else because this life is not easy. It's not meant to be all fun and games, and there are obstacles and tribulations that will stare you right in the face and tell you that you can't overcome it. But you can. Philippians 4:13. One day you won't sin anymore, because you'll be in Heaven with your father and sin will not be able to exist in His presence. So fear not, fret not, and don't let guilt or grief strike you, lest it paralyze you and prevent you from walking into the destiny God has for you.
As we all know, our flesh and our soul is sinful in nature due to the fact that it is imperfect, corrupted by the fallen world that we reside in. As Christians, we are to be above the world, in it but not of it, yet we still fall short from time to time because we take our eyes off Jesus. We, in a fleeting moment, forget what He did on the cross, even if it is but for a moment.

That being said, we know that grace is available to us, as He is a merciful God.

But sometimes there is some sin that just is reprehensible to the point of madness, and it's as if you cannot stop it even though you hate it so. Like you're powerless to stop getting drunk, or looking at pornography, or cursing someone out every time you get mad. And the worst part is that it happens often. It isn't an accidental slip of the tongue in a heated situation, it's one that continues to plague you despite your absolute hatred for that sin. Because in one fleeting moment, just as we have forgotten God, we have forgotten our hatred of that sin.

I've found that over time, with a consistent washing of the Word and a God-driven focus, a lot of that falls by the wayside. But sometimes when it rears its ugly head, it becomes overwhelming. I find myself saying, "God, I thought we've been through this before. I thought it was over. Why is this back in my life once again?" And every time, He gives me grace, despite the fact that I have defied Him and rejected His love.

I struggle like everyone else because this life is not easy. It's not meant to be all fun and games, and there are obstacles and tribulations that will stare you right in the face and tell you that you can't overcome it. But you can. Philippians 4:13. One day you won't sin anymore, because you'll be in Heaven with your father and sin will not be able to exist in His presence. So fear not, fret not, and don't let guilt or grief strike you, lest it paralyze you and prevent you from walking into the destiny God has for you.
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pray75 :
wait.. Corrupted by the fallen world that  WE reside in?..
dude your last post was amazing.. But this is bulls***... sorry..
but the world has nothing to do with OUR sins.

We people called human are the ones who corrupted this world to be fallen.... not the opposite..
we humans made ALL the sinful attractive things ALL by our self.. What world to blame?.. Dude do you even know what you're talking?..
what was the world before humans?.. Indeed.. Peaceful with just the nature's acts... nothing less.. Since human existence everything in the world changed.. I don't drink.. I hate alcohol.. I don't use drugs.. I'm ashamed when friends of me do.....
i hate smoking... i some times do watch pornography. This is one sin i commit for sure knowing that its wrong.. But for that the reason behind that is because i have this problem since i was 4 years old..... so this is not only a sin.. Also a pretty heavy burden..

the seven sins are
lust, (sexual desires)
gluttony (a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy.)
envy ( jealousy and hating when people are better in things then you)
greed (desire to possess wealth, goods, or objects of abstract value with the intention to keep it for one's self, )
sloth (laziness within us all)
wrath ( hatred, anger, revenge, impatience etc...)
pride(a desire to be more important or attractive than others)

this are the 7 sins we  break EVERY SINGLE DAY.. And i know.. Its because of the.. World.. The world how we created it!
pray you're a wise guy really.. But don't forget that we humans are the error in the world.. And that we need to solve that error.. And we should not blame the earth/world of the error within in.. Because the error is humanity.
for the fact that humans are the most finest creations of god i personally must say that i disagree with he's choice to create humans...
or at least.. How he created us...

for the heaven part.. Even Christians go to hell. Even atheist can go to heaven. And even Jews,Muslims, people of the bodism, or any kind of other religion can be punished and locked up in this sick world...

i personally think that how older a person becomes.. How bigger his punishment is on earth.. And how younger you are.. The more chance you have to be set free from this eternal suffering in the world of humans.

also for any kind of human there is a chance to get in either hell or heaven.. This is not decided by religion though... this is decided by living..
and by the decisions you make in your life..

a atheist can be 100% pure hearted.. While still disgust god...
and a Christian can be 100% pure blackened by sin... ever heard the story of people of the church abusing and raping?.. For the will of god... ( i once readed this and got since then a certain hatred toward Christians. Not against the religion.. The religion is fine.. )
these people will NOT be accepted in heaven. Nor will they be able to live peacefully.. Because they know from the beginning of there actions.. That god will disgust them.. Yet they decide to rape and blame god....

for atheist people. They may can say god is simply a creation of mankind to build of structure to live.
but for these people there is still place in heaven. If they live there lives good enough.. On the right paths..
for the fact that we humans all have the wisdom to believe in god.. We all have.. Its our nature.
so even the atheist DO believe in god deep within them.. And when they are at the gates.. They simply have to say god. That they truly believed in him. And god decide if this is the truth or not..
but how is a religious person going to explain that he raped and abused other people using the will of god?... how would you react.. If someone killed someone else.. Or raped.. And said.. It was his will (pointing to you)..

sorry this might be a to serious reaction. Keep the good posting pray. And may god protect you for the human being within you.
greetings,Yngwie

PS : if any local mod feels that this should be removed then this should be deleted.
pray75 :
wait.. Corrupted by the fallen world that  WE reside in?..
dude your last post was amazing.. But this is bulls***... sorry..
but the world has nothing to do with OUR sins.

We people called human are the ones who corrupted this world to be fallen.... not the opposite..
we humans made ALL the sinful attractive things ALL by our self.. What world to blame?.. Dude do you even know what you're talking?..
what was the world before humans?.. Indeed.. Peaceful with just the nature's acts... nothing less.. Since human existence everything in the world changed.. I don't drink.. I hate alcohol.. I don't use drugs.. I'm ashamed when friends of me do.....
i hate smoking... i some times do watch pornography. This is one sin i commit for sure knowing that its wrong.. But for that the reason behind that is because i have this problem since i was 4 years old..... so this is not only a sin.. Also a pretty heavy burden..

the seven sins are
lust, (sexual desires)
gluttony (a misplaced desire of food or its withholding from the needy.)
envy ( jealousy and hating when people are better in things then you)
greed (desire to possess wealth, goods, or objects of abstract value with the intention to keep it for one's self, )
sloth (laziness within us all)
wrath ( hatred, anger, revenge, impatience etc...)
pride(a desire to be more important or attractive than others)

this are the 7 sins we  break EVERY SINGLE DAY.. And i know.. Its because of the.. World.. The world how we created it!
pray you're a wise guy really.. But don't forget that we humans are the error in the world.. And that we need to solve that error.. And we should not blame the earth/world of the error within in.. Because the error is humanity.
for the fact that humans are the most finest creations of god i personally must say that i disagree with he's choice to create humans...
or at least.. How he created us...

for the heaven part.. Even Christians go to hell. Even atheist can go to heaven. And even Jews,Muslims, people of the bodism, or any kind of other religion can be punished and locked up in this sick world...

i personally think that how older a person becomes.. How bigger his punishment is on earth.. And how younger you are.. The more chance you have to be set free from this eternal suffering in the world of humans.

also for any kind of human there is a chance to get in either hell or heaven.. This is not decided by religion though... this is decided by living..
and by the decisions you make in your life..

a atheist can be 100% pure hearted.. While still disgust god...
and a Christian can be 100% pure blackened by sin... ever heard the story of people of the church abusing and raping?.. For the will of god... ( i once readed this and got since then a certain hatred toward Christians. Not against the religion.. The religion is fine.. )
these people will NOT be accepted in heaven. Nor will they be able to live peacefully.. Because they know from the beginning of there actions.. That god will disgust them.. Yet they decide to rape and blame god....

for atheist people. They may can say god is simply a creation of mankind to build of structure to live.
but for these people there is still place in heaven. If they live there lives good enough.. On the right paths..
for the fact that we humans all have the wisdom to believe in god.. We all have.. Its our nature.
so even the atheist DO believe in god deep within them.. And when they are at the gates.. They simply have to say god. That they truly believed in him. And god decide if this is the truth or not..
but how is a religious person going to explain that he raped and abused other people using the will of god?... how would you react.. If someone killed someone else.. Or raped.. And said.. It was his will (pointing to you)..

sorry this might be a to serious reaction. Keep the good posting pray. And may god protect you for the human being within you.
greetings,Yngwie

PS : if any local mod feels that this should be removed then this should be deleted.
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Yngwie : I understand what you're saying there, and I agree with you on a lot of points. But one of the principles of Christianity is that we are in the world but not of it. It is no secret that we are at fault for sin's infestation of human kind, and I am most certainly not denying that. But with Christ's death and resurrection comes the opportunity to become separate for the responsibility of sin. As a result, when we accept Christ, He has taken responsibility for the fallen world on our behalf. That's why I am saying that we reside in it, because are meant to be separate from it through our acceptance of Jesus. In actuality, there is a huge responsibility by saying we're in the world and not of it, because by idolizing worldly things, we are contradicting the very foundation of life that claim to have accepted.

Now that I look back, I see where you are specifically objecting to, where I stated that we are "corrupted by the fallen world," I am indicating that because we are born into the world, we have become corrupt. I believe that before God called us into beings, we were perfect specimen because even before we were a thought, He knew us. I'm more or less saying that a white piece of paper dipped in black paint will become tainted. Perhaps I have it wrong, but this is the way I see things currently.
Yngwie : I understand what you're saying there, and I agree with you on a lot of points. But one of the principles of Christianity is that we are in the world but not of it. It is no secret that we are at fault for sin's infestation of human kind, and I am most certainly not denying that. But with Christ's death and resurrection comes the opportunity to become separate for the responsibility of sin. As a result, when we accept Christ, He has taken responsibility for the fallen world on our behalf. That's why I am saying that we reside in it, because are meant to be separate from it through our acceptance of Jesus. In actuality, there is a huge responsibility by saying we're in the world and not of it, because by idolizing worldly things, we are contradicting the very foundation of life that claim to have accepted.

Now that I look back, I see where you are specifically objecting to, where I stated that we are "corrupted by the fallen world," I am indicating that because we are born into the world, we have become corrupt. I believe that before God called us into beings, we were perfect specimen because even before we were a thought, He knew us. I'm more or less saying that a white piece of paper dipped in black paint will become tainted. Perhaps I have it wrong, but this is the way I see things currently.
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Yngwie :  I don't know you Yngwie, but I sense a lot of anger in your post towards something or someone.  Unfortunately pray75 was on the receiving end of it  You know, there's times when I wish I knew people on a forum personally so that I can just sit and listen to them and talk to them directly and share the truths I learned thus far in my life.  I would like to offer some kind of answer to the issues they might have, but the obvious truth is, I don't have all the answers - none of us has.  I can only offer the truths I've learned, through my relationship with the only living God of heaven and earth, that HAS got all the answers and can provide comfort in the worst of times, in a simple forum post and hope and pray that God will open their eyes to the real truth and reveal the lies of the enemy.  
The way I see it and understand it as a Christian, and I don't want to speak for pray75, but when he mentioned "fallen world" and that we have been corrupted by this world, it is a general reference to the people and their sin within this world.  It has nothing to do with the rocks, trees, water etc.  I can't say: "You bad rock, you're making me corrupt". That's just ridiculous.  That's also why he mentioned that as a Christian, we are called by God to be set apart, to be "not of this world", (Romans 12:2) meaning that we should not become part and take part of the sinful pleasures of this world that corrupts and eventually brings forth death.  The bible is very clear about the consequences of sin (Romans 5:12).  God did a mind blowing selfless act to set us forever free from eternal torment and punishment (which is the consequence of sin) - He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ to die for the sins that you and I have committed and are still committing.  The punishment that was meant for you and me He has taken upon Himself and by His resurrection from death, He has broken the hold of death forever on those who repent (turn away) from their sins and believes and trusts in Him and accepts Him as their Lord and Saviour.  The moment you do that, you pass from darkness (which sin brings) to light.  God will give you a new heart with new desires and You are granted everlasting life.  You will have part in God's kingdom which is "not of this world".  You see God made it easy for us - there is only ONE way to Him (not 1500 different ways) and His everlasting kingdom and that is through believing and trusting in His Son Jesus Christ - John 14:6:  “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
Also, Jesus Himself said in John 8:23:  "You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.", but like I already said, if you accept Him as your Lord and Saviour, you have part in His kingdom.  That is why a true Christian is "in the world", but not "of the world".  Hope this all makes sense.

I probably could have done the whole "not of this world" speech a bit shorter, but I felt I had to say what I had to say.  So looking at what I said above, I have a few "issues" with a couple of statements you made in your post:

"Even Christians go to hell"
In all honesty and sincerity - these "Christians" that you speak of are then not true Christians.  Being a Christian is not just a tag or some kind of club that you join or religion that you practice - it's a lifestyle and a relationship with the one true living God.  The word "Christian" literally means to be "Christ like" in other words to live the way Jesus Christ did.  If you have a Bible or if you don't have one, I would encourage you to get hold of one and read to Book of John or Luke.

"Even atheist can go to heaven"
Again with sincerity - Good people don't go to heaven, only believers do.  I've already quoted John 14:6 above.  There is no other way to God in heaven and no matter how many good works you do, how much you achieve or can accomplish on this earth will buy you a way into heaven.  Ephesians 2:8-9 is very clear: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

I fully agree with you that we are our own worst enemies most of the time.  When God created human beings He gave them a choice to obey or disobey. When Adam and Eve chose to disobey God they brought evil into the universe. God could have made us robots, doing everything by His beck and call, but that would not give humanity any significance.  God made us in such a way that we can choose whether or not to obey Him.  Sin / Evil (murder, raping, stealing, lying etc.) in the universe is due to the direct choice of individuals.  People choose to do these things and must be held accountable and that time is coming soon.  God does not want anyone to perish, that's why He has made a Way for us to get rid of the burden that sin place upon our lives.  The choice is up to you.
Yngwie :  I don't know you Yngwie, but I sense a lot of anger in your post towards something or someone.  Unfortunately pray75 was on the receiving end of it  You know, there's times when I wish I knew people on a forum personally so that I can just sit and listen to them and talk to them directly and share the truths I learned thus far in my life.  I would like to offer some kind of answer to the issues they might have, but the obvious truth is, I don't have all the answers - none of us has.  I can only offer the truths I've learned, through my relationship with the only living God of heaven and earth, that HAS got all the answers and can provide comfort in the worst of times, in a simple forum post and hope and pray that God will open their eyes to the real truth and reveal the lies of the enemy.  
The way I see it and understand it as a Christian, and I don't want to speak for pray75, but when he mentioned "fallen world" and that we have been corrupted by this world, it is a general reference to the people and their sin within this world.  It has nothing to do with the rocks, trees, water etc.  I can't say: "You bad rock, you're making me corrupt". That's just ridiculous.  That's also why he mentioned that as a Christian, we are called by God to be set apart, to be "not of this world", (Romans 12:2) meaning that we should not become part and take part of the sinful pleasures of this world that corrupts and eventually brings forth death.  The bible is very clear about the consequences of sin (Romans 5:12).  God did a mind blowing selfless act to set us forever free from eternal torment and punishment (which is the consequence of sin) - He sent His only Son, Jesus Christ to die for the sins that you and I have committed and are still committing.  The punishment that was meant for you and me He has taken upon Himself and by His resurrection from death, He has broken the hold of death forever on those who repent (turn away) from their sins and believes and trusts in Him and accepts Him as their Lord and Saviour.  The moment you do that, you pass from darkness (which sin brings) to light.  God will give you a new heart with new desires and You are granted everlasting life.  You will have part in God's kingdom which is "not of this world".  You see God made it easy for us - there is only ONE way to Him (not 1500 different ways) and His everlasting kingdom and that is through believing and trusting in His Son Jesus Christ - John 14:6:  “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me."
Also, Jesus Himself said in John 8:23:  "You are from beneath; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world.", but like I already said, if you accept Him as your Lord and Saviour, you have part in His kingdom.  That is why a true Christian is "in the world", but not "of the world".  Hope this all makes sense.

I probably could have done the whole "not of this world" speech a bit shorter, but I felt I had to say what I had to say.  So looking at what I said above, I have a few "issues" with a couple of statements you made in your post:

"Even Christians go to hell"
In all honesty and sincerity - these "Christians" that you speak of are then not true Christians.  Being a Christian is not just a tag or some kind of club that you join or religion that you practice - it's a lifestyle and a relationship with the one true living God.  The word "Christian" literally means to be "Christ like" in other words to live the way Jesus Christ did.  If you have a Bible or if you don't have one, I would encourage you to get hold of one and read to Book of John or Luke.

"Even atheist can go to heaven"
Again with sincerity - Good people don't go to heaven, only believers do.  I've already quoted John 14:6 above.  There is no other way to God in heaven and no matter how many good works you do, how much you achieve or can accomplish on this earth will buy you a way into heaven.  Ephesians 2:8-9 is very clear: "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast."

I fully agree with you that we are our own worst enemies most of the time.  When God created human beings He gave them a choice to obey or disobey. When Adam and Eve chose to disobey God they brought evil into the universe. God could have made us robots, doing everything by His beck and call, but that would not give humanity any significance.  God made us in such a way that we can choose whether or not to obey Him.  Sin / Evil (murder, raping, stealing, lying etc.) in the universe is due to the direct choice of individuals.  People choose to do these things and must be held accountable and that time is coming soon.  God does not want anyone to perish, that's why He has made a Way for us to get rid of the burden that sin place upon our lives.  The choice is up to you.
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I think it is interesting what John Wesley taught about sin and Christian perfection. He did not teach sinless perfection, that a Christian could go throughout their life and not sin period. He recognized that as long as we are still living in this world, it is impossible to perform perfectly. He taught that Christian perfection meant having a perfect intent of heart. Jesus knows our hearts as well as our weaknesses. Wesley taught that the highest value was to intently love God and our neighbor, not perform perfectly.

As for me, I struggle with sin on an hourly basis. Because of God's grace and love, I know that I am accepted despite myself because of Christ standing as a mediator before God on my behalf.
I think it is interesting what John Wesley taught about sin and Christian perfection. He did not teach sinless perfection, that a Christian could go throughout their life and not sin period. He recognized that as long as we are still living in this world, it is impossible to perform perfectly. He taught that Christian perfection meant having a perfect intent of heart. Jesus knows our hearts as well as our weaknesses. Wesley taught that the highest value was to intently love God and our neighbor, not perform perfectly.

As for me, I struggle with sin on an hourly basis. Because of God's grace and love, I know that I am accepted despite myself because of Christ standing as a mediator before God on my behalf.
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Your way of thinking is the way that i hate.. Sorry you are a wise person i can see.. But thinking so blindly that only believers go to heaven.. Is just selfishness..
its sounds like a form of pride.. If your are a believer you stand higher then any other none believer...
this is just bulls*** sorry for my harshness.. But everything in this world has the same worth.. Only god is the only on to be called the highest..
for Jesus. I never believed in Jesus being the only son of god.. To be honest.. I think all souls of humans are children of god.. And Jesus was his messenger. Just like Muhammad was in the Koran..  there is only one true god.. And there is now holy spirit or son.. There is only one god alike.. And that is god/Allah. And you should never bow before everything then god..
that's what i though myself..
i have not read the bible.. I read the Koran sometimes not much of it.. But if i feel like..
i made my religious though by seeing the world, reading stories, reading the books and information about it, and my own feelings about it..
i was once atheist.. And i hated god.. Why?.. Because i was sick as a child.. And my body became weak.. And tin..and it didn't grow proper.. And my organs are all just f***'d up.. I eat for 4-6 people a day yet my weight is 39 kilo (don't know the english calculation from kilo to pond..)
that was the reason why i hated god.. And why i felt anger toward the people who did believe.. And who did have a good life..
indeed this is called the sin: envy.. And this is being a huge pain in my life.. Because of how  i'm made.. But when i got older.. I realized that god also let me alive instead of just stealing it he gave me the chance to live it. Even with these body limits... so i started to dig a bit deeper..
i read about the 7 deadly sins.. I read about the giants that angels made when they came to this earth to have sex with human females.. And than god set the world in water (ark of Noah story) to vanish the giants..
i went digging though a lot of stories.. Darker stories.. And holy stories.. I became to think about god not being the bad man.. But humanity being the bad man..
god just created us for his own sake. But we humans choose the path of selfishness and ignored god..
for these believers.. There is no perfect believer on this whole planet.. The only ones with  true heart for god are the ones who never talk about him and pray in silence..
that is why i said that even atheist can go to heaven.. Became all humans know that atheist don't really exist.. Since the fact that every human knows that god exist.. Its a gift given by god itself.. Its a core inside our souls and mind..
i also went though a lot of different religions and there stories building up my own way of believing..
i read a lot of the Greek and roman gods. Those that are called the god of war  the god of thunder the god of the seas.
god of love etc etc.. Everything. But i realized these gods where human made.. Because they where unable to explain things that happened in live.. Such as war, love, weather change etc.. So these gods where made up. Must say these stories are pretty good..
let me talk about pray75 first. No it was not toward him.. This was toward EVERY human who is able to read.. Not for pray75. He made this post.. And i replied to it. And said him my thoughts.. But it was for everyone who would read this.. So i also talk to you sol@ar. And also to whitesox51. Or any other member who read this..
back to the story.
my mind is complicated.. I believe in god. But i do hate humanity. The perfect creation of the only god itself..
but i always said from the moment i believed: god?. Why did you create such a failure in this world?. These creatures only destroy everything they see.. They are not made to live in a world like this. They will devastate everything they see.. Even themselves. And i hope that Satan will take those to hell who deeply deserve it.. And i hope you will only choose these who are pure hearted to heaven. Because if you take these with corruption in mind.. Then even heaven will be cursed to collapse..
i'm human. And i'm in perfect. I'm nor a messenger nor normal human i have information in my mind that i can't explain myself... and i will not say that even if i believe that i will go to heaven.. For these who are narrow minded.. It takes more then only believing.. I could believe in god. And rape everything i see.. Kill everything i see. Destroy everything i see.. Abuse the world. And give great sorrow and suffering toward humanity. But will i go to heaven? Because i believe in god?... people who think this world are sick minded.. I'm truly sorry to bring it this way sol@r but you talked to the wrong man in being a believer to go to heaven.. I have a totally different way of thinking toward humanity, believers and not believers.. And i see with my own eyes what happened to people who think this way:. Oh i believe in god.. So to hell with it what happens with me here.. If i die i will go to heaven. Lets break all the rules because i believe so i will go to heaven anyways..
this is what i personally see every day in around me... and i hate thing behavior.. And i really hope that these people will burn in hell... because they don't deserve a place in heaven..
god had told us the size of heaven.. But never told us about the size of hell..
heaven has 7 ranked places.. From 1 to 7. The first one is for these who slipped through.
but the ones who reached the seventh heaven. Are these people like Jesus, Muhammad, Noah, Abram etc. These humans who lived following the true words of god.
people who follows the books these days are fooled by corruption.. Its not that these will go to hell straight away.. But these who edited the only true words of god.. Will be send to the deepest pits of hell.. That is what i think.. addadd itit with gods words and eddit them for own purposes.. That is the true corruption of these who call them self *believers* in such a manner to break rules, and make them self higher then anyone else.. This is called pride.. One of the seven deadly sins..
To go a little personal about my own sins.
my greatest sin must be envy.. My who life is a controlled by it.. Jealousy of people who do things better then me and live better then me.. And i feel like a failure toward them..
glutonny: i'm one of these people who will never get fat for some reason.. And i love eating.. I eat a lot.. Even if i don't really need it. But i don't eat pork because i believe in the Islam.
wrath: i hate humans.. And i feel hatred toward them. And want to take revenge on them for the things they did to me, the world, to universe, and to even to god.. But since i'm human myself i only make part of it myself.. And i also have a deep hatred toward myself and my weakness.
lust: since a age of 4 i feel the strange desire for sexuality.. I don't know why and how.. And i shame myself about it.. but i can't seem to cure this...
sloth: this is not really a big sin of me.. But i can be really lazy.. I can't go out of my bed.. Because i'm either to sleepy or to lazy to stand up.. But this is so small in comparing toward other sins that it is not neccecary to be called as a: problem
that should be everything.. I don't know the feeling of pride.. Because i always think myself lower then everything and everyone else..
i do not have the sin greed because for a Muslim you have to give to the poor..
that are my personal sins...
to came back to your whole *i wish i knew people on the forum personally*..
i wished i know every human around me.. So i could ask them: why?. Why are you this way.  why do you kill, why do you rape, why do you abuse?.. Why to you take, and destroy...
but i do not have these knowledge
but let me stop with writhing before i go to personal.
greetings to you sol@r. And greetings to every who read this, Yngwie
SoL@R :
Your way of thinking is the way that i hate.. Sorry you are a wise person i can see.. But thinking so blindly that only believers go to heaven.. Is just selfishness..
its sounds like a form of pride.. If your are a believer you stand higher then any other none believer...
this is just bulls*** sorry for my harshness.. But everything in this world has the same worth.. Only god is the only on to be called the highest..
for Jesus. I never believed in Jesus being the only son of god.. To be honest.. I think all souls of humans are children of god.. And Jesus was his messenger. Just like Muhammad was in the Koran..  there is only one true god.. And there is now holy spirit or son.. There is only one god alike.. And that is god/Allah. And you should never bow before everything then god..
that's what i though myself..
i have not read the bible.. I read the Koran sometimes not much of it.. But if i feel like..
i made my religious though by seeing the world, reading stories, reading the books and information about it, and my own feelings about it..
i was once atheist.. And i hated god.. Why?.. Because i was sick as a child.. And my body became weak.. And tin..and it didn't grow proper.. And my organs are all just f***'d up.. I eat for 4-6 people a day yet my weight is 39 kilo (don't know the english calculation from kilo to pond..)
that was the reason why i hated god.. And why i felt anger toward the people who did believe.. And who did have a good life..
indeed this is called the sin: envy.. And this is being a huge pain in my life.. Because of how  i'm made.. But when i got older.. I realized that god also let me alive instead of just stealing it he gave me the chance to live it. Even with these body limits... so i started to dig a bit deeper..
i read about the 7 deadly sins.. I read about the giants that angels made when they came to this earth to have sex with human females.. And than god set the world in water (ark of Noah story) to vanish the giants..
i went digging though a lot of stories.. Darker stories.. And holy stories.. I became to think about god not being the bad man.. But humanity being the bad man..
god just created us for his own sake. But we humans choose the path of selfishness and ignored god..
for these believers.. There is no perfect believer on this whole planet.. The only ones with  true heart for god are the ones who never talk about him and pray in silence..
that is why i said that even atheist can go to heaven.. Became all humans know that atheist don't really exist.. Since the fact that every human knows that god exist.. Its a gift given by god itself.. Its a core inside our souls and mind..
i also went though a lot of different religions and there stories building up my own way of believing..
i read a lot of the Greek and roman gods. Those that are called the god of war  the god of thunder the god of the seas.
god of love etc etc.. Everything. But i realized these gods where human made.. Because they where unable to explain things that happened in live.. Such as war, love, weather change etc.. So these gods where made up. Must say these stories are pretty good..
let me talk about pray75 first. No it was not toward him.. This was toward EVERY human who is able to read.. Not for pray75. He made this post.. And i replied to it. And said him my thoughts.. But it was for everyone who would read this.. So i also talk to you sol@ar. And also to whitesox51. Or any other member who read this..
back to the story.
my mind is complicated.. I believe in god. But i do hate humanity. The perfect creation of the only god itself..
but i always said from the moment i believed: god?. Why did you create such a failure in this world?. These creatures only destroy everything they see.. They are not made to live in a world like this. They will devastate everything they see.. Even themselves. And i hope that Satan will take those to hell who deeply deserve it.. And i hope you will only choose these who are pure hearted to heaven. Because if you take these with corruption in mind.. Then even heaven will be cursed to collapse..
i'm human. And i'm in perfect. I'm nor a messenger nor normal human i have information in my mind that i can't explain myself... and i will not say that even if i believe that i will go to heaven.. For these who are narrow minded.. It takes more then only believing.. I could believe in god. And rape everything i see.. Kill everything i see. Destroy everything i see.. Abuse the world. And give great sorrow and suffering toward humanity. But will i go to heaven? Because i believe in god?... people who think this world are sick minded.. I'm truly sorry to bring it this way sol@r but you talked to the wrong man in being a believer to go to heaven.. I have a totally different way of thinking toward humanity, believers and not believers.. And i see with my own eyes what happened to people who think this way:. Oh i believe in god.. So to hell with it what happens with me here.. If i die i will go to heaven. Lets break all the rules because i believe so i will go to heaven anyways..
this is what i personally see every day in around me... and i hate thing behavior.. And i really hope that these people will burn in hell... because they don't deserve a place in heaven..
god had told us the size of heaven.. But never told us about the size of hell..
heaven has 7 ranked places.. From 1 to 7. The first one is for these who slipped through.
but the ones who reached the seventh heaven. Are these people like Jesus, Muhammad, Noah, Abram etc. These humans who lived following the true words of god.
people who follows the books these days are fooled by corruption.. Its not that these will go to hell straight away.. But these who edited the only true words of god.. Will be send to the deepest pits of hell.. That is what i think.. addadd itit with gods words and eddit them for own purposes.. That is the true corruption of these who call them self *believers* in such a manner to break rules, and make them self higher then anyone else.. This is called pride.. One of the seven deadly sins..
To go a little personal about my own sins.
my greatest sin must be envy.. My who life is a controlled by it.. Jealousy of people who do things better then me and live better then me.. And i feel like a failure toward them..
glutonny: i'm one of these people who will never get fat for some reason.. And i love eating.. I eat a lot.. Even if i don't really need it. But i don't eat pork because i believe in the Islam.
wrath: i hate humans.. And i feel hatred toward them. And want to take revenge on them for the things they did to me, the world, to universe, and to even to god.. But since i'm human myself i only make part of it myself.. And i also have a deep hatred toward myself and my weakness.
lust: since a age of 4 i feel the strange desire for sexuality.. I don't know why and how.. And i shame myself about it.. but i can't seem to cure this...
sloth: this is not really a big sin of me.. But i can be really lazy.. I can't go out of my bed.. Because i'm either to sleepy or to lazy to stand up.. But this is so small in comparing toward other sins that it is not neccecary to be called as a: problem
that should be everything.. I don't know the feeling of pride.. Because i always think myself lower then everything and everyone else..
i do not have the sin greed because for a Muslim you have to give to the poor..
that are my personal sins...
to came back to your whole *i wish i knew people on the forum personally*..
i wished i know every human around me.. So i could ask them: why?. Why are you this way.  why do you kill, why do you rape, why do you abuse?.. Why to you take, and destroy...
but i do not have these knowledge
but let me stop with writhing before i go to personal.
greetings to you sol@r. And greetings to every who read this, Yngwie
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Yes this is from the Romans, that is why the small print... Romans 3:11-19


11 
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now
we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are
under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may
become guilty before God.


And if you think this does not mean YOU then you might be dead wrong.


Romans 3:20


20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Yes this is from the Romans, that is why the small print... Romans 3:11-19


11 
There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12 They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13 Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14 Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15 Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16 Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17 And the way of peace have they not known:

18 There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19 Now
we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are
under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may
become guilty before God.


And if you think this does not mean YOU then you might be dead wrong.


Romans 3:20


20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

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Yngwie :  I think your post wins the post for the most words on the day  
To more serious matters.  I am truly sorry if you feel that I came across as "selfish", "prideful" and just generally that I'm "better" than others.  Let me just be clear about something - The true Christian that have a living relationship with our Heavenly Father might be better off, but we are not better than you or anyone else.  I seem to get that reaction from people every time I quote scripture  Generally I think people have a problem with what God says in the Bible and not with the messenger, but let's leave it at that.  By the way, thank you for your reply.  I have a much better idea now where you are coming from.  I will not reply to your post here.  I think we have crossed into a "personal space zone".  Give me a bit of time (I still have to work you know ), I will PM you with my thoughts.  
Yngwie :  I think your post wins the post for the most words on the day  
To more serious matters.  I am truly sorry if you feel that I came across as "selfish", "prideful" and just generally that I'm "better" than others.  Let me just be clear about something - The true Christian that have a living relationship with our Heavenly Father might be better off, but we are not better than you or anyone else.  I seem to get that reaction from people every time I quote scripture  Generally I think people have a problem with what God says in the Bible and not with the messenger, but let's leave it at that.  By the way, thank you for your reply.  I have a much better idea now where you are coming from.  I will not reply to your post here.  I think we have crossed into a "personal space zone".  Give me a bit of time (I still have to work you know ), I will PM you with my thoughts.  
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It seems that my thoughts about life, religion, humans. Are above anyone else here.. As that no one understand the way i think.. Its nothing special.. I've got used to it.. But it comes across my mind: why i'm the only one who has the point view this way?.

because.. We all know what is happening in the world.. We all know that we only fight for things such as wanting more, more, and more..
this like different religions. And things to show might..
all 2 greed and pride are huge sins in this world.. Pride goes for the fact that every race wants to be better then the others..
in religion most of the religions wants to be the RIGHT one, well guess what?.. There is no TRUE religion then the one and only believing in god.. For me there is no Islam, Catholics or Judaism or what so ever.. Me are all contacted through the feeling of the existence of the only true god..
then again. Why are we fighting for 2 different gods that seems to be only one person.. Why is it that we humans can understand. But don't submit ..
that is..one thing i don't understand..

Also.. It seems that people hate war.. But at the other hand we do nothing about it. And why?.. To show others our might..
but what might?.. What might do we have if we stand before the one and only true god.. What kind of matter are we compared to him?.. We are just ants at the end..
we people think so though.. And doing as we have a lot of might and control..
but in the ant we are all one big mass of a failed ant family.. We don't even accept our own specie.. When they are from a different race..
how Pathetic are we?.. Making war about skin tunes.. Things like different religions..

people want to have structure in there life like: a daily life rotation. But is this given by war?.. No.. Far only disturbs humans rotation structure of life..
all what humans have been doing all this time since the beginning of the human era is total destruction.. It might not look like it..
but this slow process is showing it effort already in both nature and earth..

your last post was a kind of open minded by the way. Thanks for that.. I think its a good thing when people are open for different view points instead of just sticking to one story.
i will read your pm later..
I don't feel like posting a 1500+ post tam so this is all information i could give..
greetings and much of luck to you, and to all, Yngwie
It seems that my thoughts about life, religion, humans. Are above anyone else here.. As that no one understand the way i think.. Its nothing special.. I've got used to it.. But it comes across my mind: why i'm the only one who has the point view this way?.

because.. We all know what is happening in the world.. We all know that we only fight for things such as wanting more, more, and more..
this like different religions. And things to show might..
all 2 greed and pride are huge sins in this world.. Pride goes for the fact that every race wants to be better then the others..
in religion most of the religions wants to be the RIGHT one, well guess what?.. There is no TRUE religion then the one and only believing in god.. For me there is no Islam, Catholics or Judaism or what so ever.. Me are all contacted through the feeling of the existence of the only true god..
then again. Why are we fighting for 2 different gods that seems to be only one person.. Why is it that we humans can understand. But don't submit ..
that is..one thing i don't understand..

Also.. It seems that people hate war.. But at the other hand we do nothing about it. And why?.. To show others our might..
but what might?.. What might do we have if we stand before the one and only true god.. What kind of matter are we compared to him?.. We are just ants at the end..
we people think so though.. And doing as we have a lot of might and control..
but in the ant we are all one big mass of a failed ant family.. We don't even accept our own specie.. When they are from a different race..
how Pathetic are we?.. Making war about skin tunes.. Things like different religions..

people want to have structure in there life like: a daily life rotation. But is this given by war?.. No.. Far only disturbs humans rotation structure of life..
all what humans have been doing all this time since the beginning of the human era is total destruction.. It might not look like it..
but this slow process is showing it effort already in both nature and earth..

your last post was a kind of open minded by the way. Thanks for that.. I think its a good thing when people are open for different view points instead of just sticking to one story.
i will read your pm later..
I don't feel like posting a 1500+ post tam so this is all information i could give..
greetings and much of luck to you, and to all, Yngwie
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