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Revelation 6:10-11
They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
Revelation 7:9-14
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen. Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Those saints crying out are the same saints singing to the Lord. I think we can get that established pretty easy. Also, it should be easy to establish that chapter 7, just like chapter 6, is analogical, but we don't even have to do that here. John has established a timeline. Chapter 6 passage is about before/during the undefined "tribulation", and chapter 7 is after. This is before and after final judgment as well.
Luke 23:39-43
One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!" But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong. And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
But, don't forget Jesus was in hell/hades/prison/whatever you wanna cal it for three days. So how was he with the thief in paradise? He was with the spirits in φυλακ?, prison, not to the spirits in παραδείσ?, paradise. Jesus and the thief had no interaction.
Remember, I don't believe in soul sleep because it fits my philosophy. I created the philosophy because the teaching that the soul still lives after death is not shown or proven biblically. The soul would have to gain powers upon dying that it didn't have in life. This would mean death is good. If you believe death is good, or even has been made good, please read Genesis 3.
2 Kings 2:11
And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
This does nothing to my theory. Elijah still has a body and will never experience death. My issues with common teachings are "after death". I do not believe it possible for people to act while dead.
EDITS: I can't get it formatted right. Oh well. SoL@R :
Perfectly fine =)
play4fun :
Revelation 6:10-11
They cried out with a loud voice, “O Sovereign Lord, holy and true, how long before you will judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?" Then they were each given a white robe and told to rest a little longer, until the number of their fellow servants and their brothers should be complete, who were to be killed as they themselves had been.
Revelation 7:9-14
After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures, and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, saying, “Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might be to our God forever and ever! Amen. Then one of the elders addressed me, saying, “Who are these, clothed in white robes, and from where have they come?”I said to him, “Sir, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones coming out of the great tribulation. They have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Those saints crying out are the same saints singing to the Lord. I think we can get that established pretty easy. Also, it should be easy to establish that chapter 7, just like chapter 6, is analogical, but we don't even have to do that here. John has established a timeline. Chapter 6 passage is about before/during the undefined "tribulation", and chapter 7 is after. This is before and after final judgment as well.
Luke 23:39-43
One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, “Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!" But the other rebuked him, saying, “Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong. And he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom." And he said to him, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.”
But, don't forget Jesus was in hell/hades/prison/whatever you wanna cal it for three days. So how was he with the thief in paradise? He was with the spirits in φυλακ?, prison, not to the spirits in παραδείσ?, paradise. Jesus and the thief had no interaction.
Remember, I don't believe in soul sleep because it fits my philosophy. I created the philosophy because the teaching that the soul still lives after death is not shown or proven biblically. The soul would have to gain powers upon dying that it didn't have in life. This would mean death is good. If you believe death is good, or even has been made good, please read Genesis 3.
2 Kings 2:11
And as they still went on and talked, behold, chariots of fire and horses of fire separated the two of them. And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.
This does nothing to my theory. Elijah still has a body and will never experience death. My issues with common teachings are "after death". I do not believe it possible for people to act while dead.
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