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11-04-12 11:25 AM
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I am asking this, because there is a different forum that had been getting off topic, and this will help! Now to start off with what I believe about God... I believe God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient! I also believe in the Trinity (God on three parts {God the father, God the Spirit, and God the Son}). I believe that God made us in his image, but didn't give us evil (I would say we brought that upon ourselves). I believe that God made Angels, and Lucifer/Satan became the master of deception, and the head of Demons. I believe that God wants us to come into Heaven, but lets us choose if we want to take that path of not. I agree with Sigelli that because we are made in His image that doesn't mean he made us evil/corrupt... I will leave the rest to you guys. Thank-you for reading this thread! Please leave your post.
I am asking this, because there is a different forum that had been getting off topic, and this will help! Now to start off with what I believe about God... I believe God is Omnipotent, Omnipresent, and Omniscient! I also believe in the Trinity (God on three parts {God the father, God the Spirit, and God the Son}). I believe that God made us in his image, but didn't give us evil (I would say we brought that upon ourselves). I believe that God made Angels, and Lucifer/Satan became the master of deception, and the head of Demons. I believe that God wants us to come into Heaven, but lets us choose if we want to take that path of not. I agree with Sigelli that because we are made in His image that doesn't mean he made us evil/corrupt... I will leave the rest to you guys. Thank-you for reading this thread! Please leave your post.
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Yeah, i was kind of worried about being so off topic, and considered creating a new thread.  Thanks darthyoda!

I also believe that when God created us in His image, this references the Trinity.  We have God, His Son, and the Holy Spirit much in the same way we have our bodies, our souls, and our spirits.  I might go into detail later, but I'm a little busy.  Just thought I'd put that here.
Yeah, i was kind of worried about being so off topic, and considered creating a new thread.  Thanks darthyoda!

I also believe that when God created us in His image, this references the Trinity.  We have God, His Son, and the Holy Spirit much in the same way we have our bodies, our souls, and our spirits.  I might go into detail later, but I'm a little busy.  Just thought I'd put that here.
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Thank-you Singelli. I was thinking about summoning you to this thread... I thought you would want to be in this....
Thank-you Singelli. I was thinking about summoning you to this thread... I thought you would want to be in this....
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so who created evil? And define evil. Many acts that god did in the bible i consider evil.
so who created evil? And define evil. Many acts that god did in the bible i consider evil.
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Singelli: I believe we are like God. Only we control our actions. People will say that God chooses how your life goes and ends, but ( I believe in God, I'm no Atheist) in reality it's God giving you the choice of doing either choice A or choice B basically.
Singelli: I believe we are like God. Only we control our actions. People will say that God chooses how your life goes and ends, but ( I believe in God, I'm no Atheist) in reality it's God giving you the choice of doing either choice A or choice B basically.
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 The number one: Without evil do you think the whole world would still be good? People are bad but evil is just far out of the bad range so try figuring out how to put it next time 
 The number one: Without evil do you think the whole world would still be good? People are bad but evil is just far out of the bad range so try figuring out how to put it next time 
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My view of God is of an omnipresent spirit who watches over human beings. I don't believe that He directly meddles in our daily lives - I believe that humans control their destiny - but that He knows what our fate is to be. At all times, He has an open invitation for all to follow his teachings, which have been manifested on earth through different biblical figures. When we die, we join him.
My view of God is of an omnipresent spirit who watches over human beings. I don't believe that He directly meddles in our daily lives - I believe that humans control their destiny - but that He knows what our fate is to be. At all times, He has an open invitation for all to follow his teachings, which have been manifested on earth through different biblical figures. When we die, we join him.
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thenumberone :
((In response to another thread, so we stop hijacking that one.))

I'm not trying to be rude here, but none of your arguments are logical at all. LOL


Let's start with the question about aliens:
God created US... HUMANS.... in His image.  He didn't create birds or bears or dogs or cats or whales his His image, now did He?  No matter which way you choose to view the statement (physically or spiritually), He didn't create any other species in His image.  This is what sets humans apart from every other species.

So if there -were- aliens, would my faith be shaken?  Absolutely not!  Why would it be?  Why would they have to have a different God?  Do you then believe that each species of animal has its own God?  Preposterous!

Giving a child a cake and then disappearing for a few hundred years?
First of all, as darthyoda said, God has NEVER disappeared.  He is omnipresent and not bound by time as we are. So  He has never left us.

But if I had the ability to disappear for a few hundred years and watch my child to see if he/she would eat the cake?  I can't tell you whether that cake would be there or not.  It would depend on the willpower of that child.  Some children would be too afraid to disobey their parents because they wouldn't want to face the consequences.  Some children wouldn't eat the cake because they love their parents and respect their parents wishes.  Some children would fight the temptation and then eventually give in and 'slip up', committing the sin and then feeling remorse for it (repentance).  And some children just wouldn't care.  Fear of consequences, nor love and respect would be motivators for them, and they'd eat the cake anyways.

I would hold no expectations.  I would
hope.  I would hope with everything in my being, that they would love and respect me enough to do as I had asked.  If they didn't eat the cake, I would be thrilled, overjoyed, and eager to reward.  If they ate the cake and repented, I would be disappointed in their failure, but happy to forgive them since they realized what they had done was wrong.  (And if they truly realized that what they had done was wrong, they wouldn't have continuously, for that 100 years, repeated the offense.  Thus, I would know their remorse was genuine.)  And if the child ate the cake and continued to eat the cake for 100 years, laughing and not caring, well of course then I would be highly disappointed.  I would recognize the fact that my child held no regard for my instructions, and the child would be punished for disobeying and for his contemptuous nature.

This relationship is the same as the relationship between God and a follower or sinner.

A child lacks freedom because he has a set of rules to obey, or consequence to face when they are broken?
How in the world does this make any sense at all?  Should I then set NO rules for my children?  Should I not give them any guidance at all?  I should in no way establish what is right and wrong, and simply allow them to choose their own sense of morality?  I mean, after all, you are stating that if I set rules, there should be no consequences, because if I set any consequences, I am giving them no freedom.  How do you suggest broken rules are handled then?  If my child steals a toy from a store, what should I do?  Be disappointed and say nothing?  What if that child grows up and kills someone, because I never established what is right or wrong?

And if you feel that way, laws must be terrible!  Criminals going to jail must be totally uncalled for!  We should just let the criminals decide if what they did was moral or immoral, and let them either change or continue in their actions, right?

And if you think nothing is wrong with us being governed by laws and consequences, then why is it okay to have laws and their respective consequences, but for parents not to have rules and consequence for their own children?
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((In response to another thread, so we stop hijacking that one.))

I'm not trying to be rude here, but none of your arguments are logical at all. LOL


Let's start with the question about aliens:
God created US... HUMANS.... in His image.  He didn't create birds or bears or dogs or cats or whales his His image, now did He?  No matter which way you choose to view the statement (physically or spiritually), He didn't create any other species in His image.  This is what sets humans apart from every other species.

So if there -were- aliens, would my faith be shaken?  Absolutely not!  Why would it be?  Why would they have to have a different God?  Do you then believe that each species of animal has its own God?  Preposterous!

Giving a child a cake and then disappearing for a few hundred years?
First of all, as darthyoda said, God has NEVER disappeared.  He is omnipresent and not bound by time as we are. So  He has never left us.

But if I had the ability to disappear for a few hundred years and watch my child to see if he/she would eat the cake?  I can't tell you whether that cake would be there or not.  It would depend on the willpower of that child.  Some children would be too afraid to disobey their parents because they wouldn't want to face the consequences.  Some children wouldn't eat the cake because they love their parents and respect their parents wishes.  Some children would fight the temptation and then eventually give in and 'slip up', committing the sin and then feeling remorse for it (repentance).  And some children just wouldn't care.  Fear of consequences, nor love and respect would be motivators for them, and they'd eat the cake anyways.

I would hold no expectations.  I would
hope.  I would hope with everything in my being, that they would love and respect me enough to do as I had asked.  If they didn't eat the cake, I would be thrilled, overjoyed, and eager to reward.  If they ate the cake and repented, I would be disappointed in their failure, but happy to forgive them since they realized what they had done was wrong.  (And if they truly realized that what they had done was wrong, they wouldn't have continuously, for that 100 years, repeated the offense.  Thus, I would know their remorse was genuine.)  And if the child ate the cake and continued to eat the cake for 100 years, laughing and not caring, well of course then I would be highly disappointed.  I would recognize the fact that my child held no regard for my instructions, and the child would be punished for disobeying and for his contemptuous nature.

This relationship is the same as the relationship between God and a follower or sinner.

A child lacks freedom because he has a set of rules to obey, or consequence to face when they are broken?
How in the world does this make any sense at all?  Should I then set NO rules for my children?  Should I not give them any guidance at all?  I should in no way establish what is right and wrong, and simply allow them to choose their own sense of morality?  I mean, after all, you are stating that if I set rules, there should be no consequences, because if I set any consequences, I am giving them no freedom.  How do you suggest broken rules are handled then?  If my child steals a toy from a store, what should I do?  Be disappointed and say nothing?  What if that child grows up and kills someone, because I never established what is right or wrong?

And if you feel that way, laws must be terrible!  Criminals going to jail must be totally uncalled for!  We should just let the criminals decide if what they did was moral or immoral, and let them either change or continue in their actions, right?

And if you think nothing is wrong with us being governed by laws and consequences, then why is it okay to have laws and their respective consequences, but for parents not to have rules and consequence for their own children?
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Singelli: Thank-you for referring him here! I wanted to put a link there, but didn't get around to it. Good points in your comment!
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Singelli :
You say its illogical because you are biased toward what you believe




"Made in gods image:"

Genesis 1:24-27
Man made after animals.
Genesis 2:18-19
Animals made after man.

The dominant species, humans, in his image.
So what do you think then?any other dominant species?in gods image?why?/why not?

They will have there own gods undoubtably, i bet you they have never heard of jesus or the garden of eden.





"Giving a child a cake and then disappearing for a few hundred years?"


Prove he hasnt left us. Using actual evidence, not, i feel his presence.



"A child lacks freedom because he has a set of rules to obey, or consequence to face when they are broken?"

The argument wasnt whether rules are good, thats not relevant in the least. The argument was whether god did give us free will. You are restricted as a child, brought up how your parents think is proper, and then you are free to choose. there are things you can and cant do. But these are rational things. You cant kill, you cant steal.
However god has other ideas. You cant have excess money, cant be fat, cant be gay, cant work on Sundays, cant use his name in vain, eating pork, getting a tattoo.
That is not freedom, and there is no justification to punish people for that. If i disobeyed my parents, I wouldn't be cast into a pit of fire. If any human tried that kind of punishment they'd be arrested themselves. But god is allowed to sin? But he didn't invent sin, or know sin? Torture isn't sin? Being an accomplice is illegal where I'm from, and given he does nothing to stop this punishment at the very least, this is what he is.


How many provable deaths in bible by the hand of god/satan:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/DWB/no_estimates.jpg

How many that arent categorically stated numerically, but can be roughly estimated:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/DWB/with_estimates.jpg


Singelli :
You say its illogical because you are biased toward what you believe




"Made in gods image:"

Genesis 1:24-27
Man made after animals.
Genesis 2:18-19
Animals made after man.

The dominant species, humans, in his image.
So what do you think then?any other dominant species?in gods image?why?/why not?

They will have there own gods undoubtably, i bet you they have never heard of jesus or the garden of eden.





"Giving a child a cake and then disappearing for a few hundred years?"


Prove he hasnt left us. Using actual evidence, not, i feel his presence.



"A child lacks freedom because he has a set of rules to obey, or consequence to face when they are broken?"

The argument wasnt whether rules are good, thats not relevant in the least. The argument was whether god did give us free will. You are restricted as a child, brought up how your parents think is proper, and then you are free to choose. there are things you can and cant do. But these are rational things. You cant kill, you cant steal.
However god has other ideas. You cant have excess money, cant be fat, cant be gay, cant work on Sundays, cant use his name in vain, eating pork, getting a tattoo.
That is not freedom, and there is no justification to punish people for that. If i disobeyed my parents, I wouldn't be cast into a pit of fire. If any human tried that kind of punishment they'd be arrested themselves. But god is allowed to sin? But he didn't invent sin, or know sin? Torture isn't sin? Being an accomplice is illegal where I'm from, and given he does nothing to stop this punishment at the very least, this is what he is.


How many provable deaths in bible by the hand of god/satan:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/DWB/no_estimates.jpg

How many that arent categorically stated numerically, but can be roughly estimated:
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/DWB/with_estimates.jpg


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thenumberone:  My claim to your lack of logic had nothing to do with bias and everything to do with logic.  Even if you had been agreeing with me, I would have stated that your arguments were illogical.

Also, you claim once that I didn't address your arguments.  If you go back and look at your words, I did.  Perhaps you just don't understand quite what you are saying, or you are having difficulty saying what you mean to say?

Aliens and God.
My answer to you is the exact same as before.  Your argument here changes nothing.

God could have created other species on other planets, and he could have created dominant species on other planets after His image.  Why not?  I don't -believe- He did because I feel as though the Bible would mention something like that.

But there's nothing to suggest He did not (that I am aware of).  And there's nothing to suggest that if aliens were discovered, they haven't heard of Jesus or the Garden of Eden.  It's kind of illogical to say "IF" there are aliens, I bet they've never heard of God.  What basis do you have to make such a statement?  It's kind of like me saying "IF" there's a big purple monster under my bed, I bet he doesn't like cheese'.

Again, your argument lacks logic.

Cake in a hundred years.
Prove that He hasn't been around?  Using actual evidence?  Not just that you don't feel He exists?


Fact is, that's what 'faith' is. I've never seen a million dollar bill.  But I have faith that it exists.  I don't need to see it or touch it, or have physical proof of it. 

dictionary.com:  1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. 2. belief that is not based on proof.

That being said, there is physical evidence.  However, it's far too numerous to list here, and this really isn't the place for it.  Not to mention, you'd take it all in stride and create even more arguments against it.  So there's no point in putting it here.  Perhaps if you want to start a new thread, then we can start from there.

You try to prove God HASN'T been around.  Just like you cannot prove that to me, I -personally- cannot prove the opposite to you.  (For one, I am hardly close to 100 years old.)

My Bible tells me He is omnipresent.  That means He's been around.

Let's put all that aside.  You still ignored my WHOLE point in the argument about cake and a hundred years.  You didn't even address it.  You plumb acted like it didn't exist.

More lack of logic.  You can't win an argument by ignoring it.

Consequences and Freedom
Let's backtrack through the last thread?

You "Hes not really allowing freedom either if he casts you down when you die.."
Literal, English translation without bias  God doesn't give us freedom if He punishes us.

Me " To say that God is not allowing freedom because He gives consequences makes no sense.  If I have a child, that child has free will to obey or break my rules.  If that child breaks the rules, I will punish my child.  That does NOT mean in any way, shape, or form, that my child lacks free will."
Literal, English translation without bias  Giving consequences doesn't take away freedom.

You "It dosent mean your child lacks free will, it does mean he lacks certain freedoms though, because youre not allowing him to have full control of his life."
Literal, English translation without bias:  Your child doesn't lack free will.  He lacks freedom because he has control. (Notice the shift in argument, and how now the previous statements don't apply and aren't being addressed.)

Me: "Should I then set NO rules for my children?  Should I not give them any guidance at all?  I should in no way establish what is right and wrong, and simply allow them to choose their own sense of morality?"  "And if you think nothing is wrong with us being governed by laws and consequences, then why is it okay to have laws and their respective consequences, but for parents not to have rules and consequence for their own children?"
Literal, English translation without bias:  So in other words, it's setting rules that are wrong.  If we are taking away freedom by setting expectations for our children, then we are taking away freedom by setting laws for grown adults.  After all, according to your argument,  if they choose to break those laws, they will be punished, which means they don't have freedom.

You:  "The argument wasnt whether rules are good, thats not relevant in the least.  The argument was whether god did give us free will. But these are rational things. You cant kill, you cant steal."
Literal, English translation without bias:  We aren't talking about if rules are justified and that's not relevant.  We're talking about free will, and laws that are sensible.  (Notice, once again, the complete shift in argument.  Also notice above, where you stated that consequences and rules have noting to do with determining if someone has free will or not)



You lack logic, sir.

It is clear that your own bias is keeping you from staying on track or sensibly debating.  Therefore, for this reason and this reason alone, I am dropping out of this debate.  I have plenty of answers for your last point, and I assure you that your argument there also lacks logic.  However, it's clear that it doesn't matter what anyone says, because you simply are too focused on your own agenda.

If someone else wants to hear my view on your last point, I might post it. However, I simply have better things to do than waste my time on a debate that lacks logic.  LOL  Don't be offended by this. I simply have 5 billion papers to grade and this is taking time away from that.  I'd keep at it if I felt my points were being considered.  That doesn't mean that you have to agree with them.  It'd just be nice to have the debate actually DEBATE my words instead of going off topic, or stepping back from the main point, or dancing around what was really said.  It makes any participant in a discussion feel like their words were just brushed away.  I've addressed yours, but you haven't taken mine into stride. You keep giving the same arguments without considering another way to debate new points I've brought up that contradict your ideas.

Maybe someone else will take up that mantle.    Good luck in your hunt for knowledge!
thenumberone:  My claim to your lack of logic had nothing to do with bias and everything to do with logic.  Even if you had been agreeing with me, I would have stated that your arguments were illogical.

Also, you claim once that I didn't address your arguments.  If you go back and look at your words, I did.  Perhaps you just don't understand quite what you are saying, or you are having difficulty saying what you mean to say?

Aliens and God.
My answer to you is the exact same as before.  Your argument here changes nothing.

God could have created other species on other planets, and he could have created dominant species on other planets after His image.  Why not?  I don't -believe- He did because I feel as though the Bible would mention something like that.

But there's nothing to suggest He did not (that I am aware of).  And there's nothing to suggest that if aliens were discovered, they haven't heard of Jesus or the Garden of Eden.  It's kind of illogical to say "IF" there are aliens, I bet they've never heard of God.  What basis do you have to make such a statement?  It's kind of like me saying "IF" there's a big purple monster under my bed, I bet he doesn't like cheese'.

Again, your argument lacks logic.

Cake in a hundred years.
Prove that He hasn't been around?  Using actual evidence?  Not just that you don't feel He exists?


Fact is, that's what 'faith' is. I've never seen a million dollar bill.  But I have faith that it exists.  I don't need to see it or touch it, or have physical proof of it. 

dictionary.com:  1. Complete trust or confidence in someone or something. 2. belief that is not based on proof.

That being said, there is physical evidence.  However, it's far too numerous to list here, and this really isn't the place for it.  Not to mention, you'd take it all in stride and create even more arguments against it.  So there's no point in putting it here.  Perhaps if you want to start a new thread, then we can start from there.

You try to prove God HASN'T been around.  Just like you cannot prove that to me, I -personally- cannot prove the opposite to you.  (For one, I am hardly close to 100 years old.)

My Bible tells me He is omnipresent.  That means He's been around.

Let's put all that aside.  You still ignored my WHOLE point in the argument about cake and a hundred years.  You didn't even address it.  You plumb acted like it didn't exist.

More lack of logic.  You can't win an argument by ignoring it.

Consequences and Freedom
Let's backtrack through the last thread?

You "Hes not really allowing freedom either if he casts you down when you die.."
Literal, English translation without bias  God doesn't give us freedom if He punishes us.

Me " To say that God is not allowing freedom because He gives consequences makes no sense.  If I have a child, that child has free will to obey or break my rules.  If that child breaks the rules, I will punish my child.  That does NOT mean in any way, shape, or form, that my child lacks free will."
Literal, English translation without bias  Giving consequences doesn't take away freedom.

You "It dosent mean your child lacks free will, it does mean he lacks certain freedoms though, because youre not allowing him to have full control of his life."
Literal, English translation without bias:  Your child doesn't lack free will.  He lacks freedom because he has control. (Notice the shift in argument, and how now the previous statements don't apply and aren't being addressed.)

Me: "Should I then set NO rules for my children?  Should I not give them any guidance at all?  I should in no way establish what is right and wrong, and simply allow them to choose their own sense of morality?"  "And if you think nothing is wrong with us being governed by laws and consequences, then why is it okay to have laws and their respective consequences, but for parents not to have rules and consequence for their own children?"
Literal, English translation without bias:  So in other words, it's setting rules that are wrong.  If we are taking away freedom by setting expectations for our children, then we are taking away freedom by setting laws for grown adults.  After all, according to your argument,  if they choose to break those laws, they will be punished, which means they don't have freedom.

You:  "The argument wasnt whether rules are good, thats not relevant in the least.  The argument was whether god did give us free will. But these are rational things. You cant kill, you cant steal."
Literal, English translation without bias:  We aren't talking about if rules are justified and that's not relevant.  We're talking about free will, and laws that are sensible.  (Notice, once again, the complete shift in argument.  Also notice above, where you stated that consequences and rules have noting to do with determining if someone has free will or not)



You lack logic, sir.

It is clear that your own bias is keeping you from staying on track or sensibly debating.  Therefore, for this reason and this reason alone, I am dropping out of this debate.  I have plenty of answers for your last point, and I assure you that your argument there also lacks logic.  However, it's clear that it doesn't matter what anyone says, because you simply are too focused on your own agenda.

If someone else wants to hear my view on your last point, I might post it. However, I simply have better things to do than waste my time on a debate that lacks logic.  LOL  Don't be offended by this. I simply have 5 billion papers to grade and this is taking time away from that.  I'd keep at it if I felt my points were being considered.  That doesn't mean that you have to agree with them.  It'd just be nice to have the debate actually DEBATE my words instead of going off topic, or stepping back from the main point, or dancing around what was really said.  It makes any participant in a discussion feel like their words were just brushed away.  I've addressed yours, but you haven't taken mine into stride. You keep giving the same arguments without considering another way to debate new points I've brought up that contradict your ideas.

Maybe someone else will take up that mantle.    Good luck in your hunt for knowledge!
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I'll offer my two cents.


Personally, without any humor or bias, there's no proof that god exists. But there's some proof that God doesn't exist.


Unless the bible, which Christians have been following all their lives, is faulty, I cannot believe in God.

Why? Because of science.

   These are all theories, the only thing is that these theorems are backed up with science. Physics, gravity, these are real things before me. And thus, I believe that the earth was created from a conglomerate of space debris, not with some perfect being that created everything. Creationism theories are backed up only with faith, and whilst faith is powerful, it is sometimes wrong.

   History proves Creationism and God wrong. When in the bible did they mention Dinosaurs? How can evolution not exist, when there's solid proof of dinosaurs, apes, clearly showing how man evolved. How did God create other planets? The stars? The other numerous galaxies? It's kind of like the ending of Mass Effect 3- too many holes to make sense.

I believe that God doesn't exist. He might exist, but I don't think so. I also respect your opinion, and I expect you to respect mine.


Just tell me, where is the physical proof?
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I'll offer my two cents.


Personally, without any humor or bias, there's no proof that god exists. But there's some proof that God doesn't exist.


Unless the bible, which Christians have been following all their lives, is faulty, I cannot believe in God.

Why? Because of science.

   These are all theories, the only thing is that these theorems are backed up with science. Physics, gravity, these are real things before me. And thus, I believe that the earth was created from a conglomerate of space debris, not with some perfect being that created everything. Creationism theories are backed up only with faith, and whilst faith is powerful, it is sometimes wrong.

   History proves Creationism and God wrong. When in the bible did they mention Dinosaurs? How can evolution not exist, when there's solid proof of dinosaurs, apes, clearly showing how man evolved. How did God create other planets? The stars? The other numerous galaxies? It's kind of like the ending of Mass Effect 3- too many holes to make sense.

I believe that God doesn't exist. He might exist, but I don't think so. I also respect your opinion, and I expect you to respect mine.


Just tell me, where is the physical proof?
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The Bible mentions Behemoth, and Leviathan. Those are types of dragons/dinosaurs. (A little history on the word dinosaur, the word was invented in the 1800's before they made the word they used dragon.) As for Science disproving God, what about the laws of Thermodynamics? According to them Matter always tends toward a state of entropy (Decay).
The Bible mentions Behemoth, and Leviathan. Those are types of dragons/dinosaurs. (A little history on the word dinosaur, the word was invented in the 1800's before they made the word they used dragon.) As for Science disproving God, what about the laws of Thermodynamics? According to them Matter always tends toward a state of entropy (Decay).
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darthyoda : Leviathan is a giant sea monster, not dinosaur. Plus, Behemoth is a... well.

Since the 17th century CE there have been many attempts to identify Behemoth. Some scholars have seen him as a real creature, usually the hippopotamus, and occasionally as the elephant, crocodile, or water buffalo. The reference to Behemoth's "tail" that "moves like a cedar", is a problem for most of these theories, since it cannot easily be identified with the tail of any animal. Biologist Michael Bright suggests that the reference to the cedar tree actually refers to the brush-like shape of its branches, which resemble the tails of modern elephants and hippopotamuses.

(Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth)

Some Young-Earth creationists DO believe he's a dinosaur, but they also believe dinosaurs lived with humans.

Why, matter does tend to a state of decay. Your point?
darthyoda : Leviathan is a giant sea monster, not dinosaur. Plus, Behemoth is a... well.

Since the 17th century CE there have been many attempts to identify Behemoth. Some scholars have seen him as a real creature, usually the hippopotamus, and occasionally as the elephant, crocodile, or water buffalo. The reference to Behemoth's "tail" that "moves like a cedar", is a problem for most of these theories, since it cannot easily be identified with the tail of any animal. Biologist Michael Bright suggests that the reference to the cedar tree actually refers to the brush-like shape of its branches, which resemble the tails of modern elephants and hippopotamuses.

(Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behemoth)

Some Young-Earth creationists DO believe he's a dinosaur, but they also believe dinosaurs lived with humans.

Why, matter does tend to a state of decay. Your point?
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Evolutions says things are improving (Evolving) but the Laws of Thermodynamics say that it couldn't happen... Also Carbon Dating (Evolutionists Dating Theory) is inconsistent with itself.
Evolutions says things are improving (Evolving) but the Laws of Thermodynamics say that it couldn't happen... Also Carbon Dating (Evolutionists Dating Theory) is inconsistent with itself.
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I believe that the Christian God is an irrational racist who seems to be incompetent at achieving his goals with creation.
I believe that the Christian God is an irrational racist who seems to be incompetent at achieving his goals with creation.
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Nice thread to create darth!!

I tend to respect all religions to a degree that I won't outright try to "convert" someone to accept a religion that they just don't like the religion I'm trying to convert them too (instead I prefer that we teach people the different religions and show how similar they are to one another to promote equality).

Now to God. Again I will say that my beliefs are complicated on God. But I WILL say this...

I don't believe in a "humanistic God" or to better put it I don't believe that God is human. The reason I believe this is because I've been fasincated by this quote that a teacher once asked me when I was younger...

"Did God create us in his own image, or did Man seek to create God into a Man?"

If the quote is somewhat confusing what I mean is that did God create man to look like himself or did we as humans who sought to seek answers about the meaning of life/why good things and bad things happen end up creating God to look like us?

Here is another way to put it. If anyone has watched the Classic Planet of the Apes movie series you will know that the Apes believe that God had created Apes in his own image (who also happens to be an Ape as well). Now ignoring the epic ending about the truth; could it be possible that like what we believe that God create Humanity in his own image, could it be possible that another animal species could also believe that God created them in his own image (Ape God = Ape). Now of course we all know that most animals lack the brain for such advance intellect; but I guess it does raise a good point (at least to me it does).

smotpower86: Now I respect your opinions, but please try to be more "polite" as someone on the board might take offense to your comment and a flaming war might break out on the thread.
Nice thread to create darth!!

I tend to respect all religions to a degree that I won't outright try to "convert" someone to accept a religion that they just don't like the religion I'm trying to convert them too (instead I prefer that we teach people the different religions and show how similar they are to one another to promote equality).

Now to God. Again I will say that my beliefs are complicated on God. But I WILL say this...

I don't believe in a "humanistic God" or to better put it I don't believe that God is human. The reason I believe this is because I've been fasincated by this quote that a teacher once asked me when I was younger...

"Did God create us in his own image, or did Man seek to create God into a Man?"

If the quote is somewhat confusing what I mean is that did God create man to look like himself or did we as humans who sought to seek answers about the meaning of life/why good things and bad things happen end up creating God to look like us?

Here is another way to put it. If anyone has watched the Classic Planet of the Apes movie series you will know that the Apes believe that God had created Apes in his own image (who also happens to be an Ape as well). Now ignoring the epic ending about the truth; could it be possible that like what we believe that God create Humanity in his own image, could it be possible that another animal species could also believe that God created them in his own image (Ape God = Ape). Now of course we all know that most animals lack the brain for such advance intellect; but I guess it does raise a good point (at least to me it does).

smotpower86: Now I respect your opinions, but please try to be more "polite" as someone on the board might take offense to your comment and a flaming war might break out on the thread.
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Oldschool41 : Considering how Gods in pretty much every religion have some degree of personification I would say that it was man that created God(s) in their image. The word "image" in that sentence could be substituted with "imagination" and still be an accurate portrayal of what I believe.

I will try to be more polite next time as it is never my intention to offend any one. Instead my intention was to try and make people think, in this case about how their God of choice is often immoral. Some people might be offended in the process but that is a risk I'm willing to take. Surely they won't be as offended as the people who God commanded genocide against, am I right?

Oldschool41 : Considering how Gods in pretty much every religion have some degree of personification I would say that it was man that created God(s) in their image. The word "image" in that sentence could be substituted with "imagination" and still be an accurate portrayal of what I believe.

I will try to be more polite next time as it is never my intention to offend any one. Instead my intention was to try and make people think, in this case about how their God of choice is often immoral. Some people might be offended in the process but that is a risk I'm willing to take. Surely they won't be as offended as the people who God commanded genocide against, am I right?

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smotpoker86: With all due respect, Image cannot be substituted with imagination. Image is as a Picture or statue, not imagination, otherwise we wouldn't exist.
smotpoker86: With all due respect, Image cannot be substituted with imagination. Image is as a Picture or statue, not imagination, otherwise we wouldn't exist.
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