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10-15-12 10:37 AM
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Hi community. 

First and foremost, I  respect all of your beliefs and/or spiritual views. 

Now, my first question: What do you think would happen to the belief in God, religion, and the overall lifestyles of humans if immortality by some means was confirmed



Second: What if we do finally encounter a similar species, and they happen to be willing to communicate? How do you believe that event would turn out
Hi community. 

First and foremost, I  respect all of your beliefs and/or spiritual views. 

Now, my first question: What do you think would happen to the belief in God, religion, and the overall lifestyles of humans if immortality by some means was confirmed



Second: What if we do finally encounter a similar species, and they happen to be willing to communicate? How do you believe that event would turn out
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Those are two completely separate and distinct questions that really don't belong together.

I'll answer the second one.  If there were aliens and they chose to communicate, it means they aren't immediately looking for a fight.  I think humanity will have a tough time deciding what to do and different countries will compete and fight and argue over who gets to represent us.  I think wars will break out, hoarding will occur, and military units will be required to calm people in all large cities around the world.  It won't be good, even if the new species are looking to be helpful or beneficial.  Any major changes in the universe and science are often met with distrust and fear.

Fear is scary, especially when you're potentially looking at a pointed gun because their tech is so much better than ours.  And humanity loves a good aliens vs. humans war movie.  We're built to survive and killing everything else to guarentee our own success is deeply bred in our genes.


Those are two completely separate and distinct questions that really don't belong together.

I'll answer the second one.  If there were aliens and they chose to communicate, it means they aren't immediately looking for a fight.  I think humanity will have a tough time deciding what to do and different countries will compete and fight and argue over who gets to represent us.  I think wars will break out, hoarding will occur, and military units will be required to calm people in all large cities around the world.  It won't be good, even if the new species are looking to be helpful or beneficial.  Any major changes in the universe and science are often met with distrust and fear.

Fear is scary, especially when you're potentially looking at a pointed gun because their tech is so much better than ours.  And humanity loves a good aliens vs. humans war movie.  We're built to survive and killing everything else to guarentee our own success is deeply bred in our genes.


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I'll answer the second question as well.  I think if we discovered aliens, things would be chaotic.  Think about it: it'd infiltrate the news, or school, the media... for years to come.  People would be filled with wonder, fear, and even doubt. (No matter ho many facts there are, there are always some or many who doubt.)  I think that people would be unproductive for at least a week, their eyes glued to the news in classrooms and at home.  Worldwide, we'd be almost at a standstill.  All world leaders would, of course, want to commmunicate with the aliens, and ... can we say major economy shift?  People everywhere would look for some way to capitalize off the discovery, and people would go a bit bananas, buying into al the schemes.

It would cause world leaders to get into heavy debates, and possibly start a war because there would, of coruse be disagreements.  Some might act regardless of what other countries deem to be a good plan of action or a poor one.  I agree with warmaker that most, however, woul want to ensure we are safe, and would want to attack. Others (America for example) would most likely want to talk to the aliens and want to believe whatever they say.

It would, as I said, be chaos.
I'll answer the second question as well.  I think if we discovered aliens, things would be chaotic.  Think about it: it'd infiltrate the news, or school, the media... for years to come.  People would be filled with wonder, fear, and even doubt. (No matter ho many facts there are, there are always some or many who doubt.)  I think that people would be unproductive for at least a week, their eyes glued to the news in classrooms and at home.  Worldwide, we'd be almost at a standstill.  All world leaders would, of course, want to commmunicate with the aliens, and ... can we say major economy shift?  People everywhere would look for some way to capitalize off the discovery, and people would go a bit bananas, buying into al the schemes.

It would cause world leaders to get into heavy debates, and possibly start a war because there would, of coruse be disagreements.  Some might act regardless of what other countries deem to be a good plan of action or a poor one.  I agree with warmaker that most, however, woul want to ensure we are safe, and would want to attack. Others (America for example) would most likely want to talk to the aliens and want to believe whatever they say.

It would, as I said, be chaos.
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I'm going to assume that you are talking about Aliens visiting us? Well first off I would say that everything would be thrown into chaos. While I believe that the government would recover from this, people's faith in religion would be thrown into question. Now I'm going to avoid the religious topic since that always causes a bit of an uproar (both online and in real life); I'll stay on the topic how we as a society would recover. I think we as a society would say praises as we would now know that we are not alone in the Universe. However we would be on-edge cause we want to know if the Aliens come in peace or come to declare war. I do believe that whatever the Aliens intentions, that countrys around the world would most likely become more globalize and consern themselfs with the whole world rather then what is in their individual country's issues.
I'm going to assume that you are talking about Aliens visiting us? Well first off I would say that everything would be thrown into chaos. While I believe that the government would recover from this, people's faith in religion would be thrown into question. Now I'm going to avoid the religious topic since that always causes a bit of an uproar (both online and in real life); I'll stay on the topic how we as a society would recover. I think we as a society would say praises as we would now know that we are not alone in the Universe. However we would be on-edge cause we want to know if the Aliens come in peace or come to declare war. I do believe that whatever the Aliens intentions, that countrys around the world would most likely become more globalize and consern themselfs with the whole world rather then what is in their individual country's issues.
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Immortality would likely be problematic not so much for religious reasons but because we would run out of room on earth with being capable of living so long. I suppose it depends on how the immortality was reached though; perhaps if it were just immortality in the sense that your body does not give out on you ever but you still could find things your body cannot fight against (physical harm, incredibly bad diseases) then perhaps it would not be so bad. But if we are talking about full blow immortality where one cannot die ever, lifestyles would likely become watched in a militaristic fashion so everyone gets their even share to not blow out our resources. I could see even sacrifices of people being made to make room, or watching over who may give birth and how many they may have.

Religious-wise, I do not think they would be affected too much, it all depends on what sort of faith they have. Some may not want to take the formula for ever lasting life so they may meet their god "naturally." Some may forsake their god or change their beliefs. There would likely be protests about it in a similar way abortion is handled. Some may believe their god has decided to reward humanity for their suffering for those who were loyal have helped redeem humanity. It all depends on what they believe and how strong their faith is. Finding immortality would not dismiss the possibility of a god though.


As for aliens wishing to communicate, many have already expressed my same fears, but I would like to believe that somehow, we could let the aliens know that we are a people that have many disagreements with themselves, and it would likely be unwise to get too involved with us. Small communications without face to face encounters would likely be the healthiest solution for humans and the aliens. Otherwise, I'd fear they would be enveloped into our (stupid) wars.
Immortality would likely be problematic not so much for religious reasons but because we would run out of room on earth with being capable of living so long. I suppose it depends on how the immortality was reached though; perhaps if it were just immortality in the sense that your body does not give out on you ever but you still could find things your body cannot fight against (physical harm, incredibly bad diseases) then perhaps it would not be so bad. But if we are talking about full blow immortality where one cannot die ever, lifestyles would likely become watched in a militaristic fashion so everyone gets their even share to not blow out our resources. I could see even sacrifices of people being made to make room, or watching over who may give birth and how many they may have.

Religious-wise, I do not think they would be affected too much, it all depends on what sort of faith they have. Some may not want to take the formula for ever lasting life so they may meet their god "naturally." Some may forsake their god or change their beliefs. There would likely be protests about it in a similar way abortion is handled. Some may believe their god has decided to reward humanity for their suffering for those who were loyal have helped redeem humanity. It all depends on what they believe and how strong their faith is. Finding immortality would not dismiss the possibility of a god though.


As for aliens wishing to communicate, many have already expressed my same fears, but I would like to believe that somehow, we could let the aliens know that we are a people that have many disagreements with themselves, and it would likely be unwise to get too involved with us. Small communications without face to face encounters would likely be the healthiest solution for humans and the aliens. Otherwise, I'd fear they would be enveloped into our (stupid) wars.
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Well, if immortality was achieved, I don't think it would have an impact on the existence of religion, but some religious groups might protest the technology and refrain from using it. I would also assume that, this being a brand new technology, it would be VERY expensive. It would change the entire economy of the world. Of course, it still depends on the time of immortality we're talking about. If you're invincible and don't need anything to live, all kinds of markets would crash, people wouldn't care about work, and the only objective in life would be to obtain this new technology. After that, who cares about money for survival? All that would be left is the entertainment industry. 

However, if we're just talking about basic elongation of life, then people would still fear bullets, need nutrition, etc. The tech would still be incredibly expensive, though. But, like with all technology, with time it will be cheaper to produce and it will cost less for the average consumer. Eventually it will be an average thing to have. When this time comes, almost everyone will want to be immortal. Religious advocates might still disagree, but let's face it: A lot of people might believe in a god or afterlife just out of fear of death. So immortality could still impact religion in that way. The final issue (and the most important) to address here would be overpopulation and the scarcity of pretty much everything. People might even be required by law to have hysterectomies/vasectomies in order to effectively outlaw conception. With the same population of people on the planet all the time and no new ideas/minds being introduced, each person will either become that much smarter in order to continue the growth of race, or our growth will come to a halt. And as I mentioned earlier, people will get pretty bored, so tech might get that much better to satisfy one's need for entertainment. All in all, a weird situation. 

For the second question, assuming they are separate and people are not immortal in this scenario, "people often fear what they do not understand." I don't about the wars and all that chaos as others have mentioned, but it would be a time of great confusion for the world. I've seen way too many movies to actually theorize what the real life response would be, though. There's scenarios where we manipulate the aliens to use their power, where they don't come in peace, where they manipulate us, etc. It's really impossible to tell unless it actually happens. I'd like to be more optimistic about the situation, though. Even without immortality, overpopulation seems inevitable, and a journey into/ home in space would be nice.
Well, if immortality was achieved, I don't think it would have an impact on the existence of religion, but some religious groups might protest the technology and refrain from using it. I would also assume that, this being a brand new technology, it would be VERY expensive. It would change the entire economy of the world. Of course, it still depends on the time of immortality we're talking about. If you're invincible and don't need anything to live, all kinds of markets would crash, people wouldn't care about work, and the only objective in life would be to obtain this new technology. After that, who cares about money for survival? All that would be left is the entertainment industry. 

However, if we're just talking about basic elongation of life, then people would still fear bullets, need nutrition, etc. The tech would still be incredibly expensive, though. But, like with all technology, with time it will be cheaper to produce and it will cost less for the average consumer. Eventually it will be an average thing to have. When this time comes, almost everyone will want to be immortal. Religious advocates might still disagree, but let's face it: A lot of people might believe in a god or afterlife just out of fear of death. So immortality could still impact religion in that way. The final issue (and the most important) to address here would be overpopulation and the scarcity of pretty much everything. People might even be required by law to have hysterectomies/vasectomies in order to effectively outlaw conception. With the same population of people on the planet all the time and no new ideas/minds being introduced, each person will either become that much smarter in order to continue the growth of race, or our growth will come to a halt. And as I mentioned earlier, people will get pretty bored, so tech might get that much better to satisfy one's need for entertainment. All in all, a weird situation. 

For the second question, assuming they are separate and people are not immortal in this scenario, "people often fear what they do not understand." I don't about the wars and all that chaos as others have mentioned, but it would be a time of great confusion for the world. I've seen way too many movies to actually theorize what the real life response would be, though. There's scenarios where we manipulate the aliens to use their power, where they don't come in peace, where they manipulate us, etc. It's really impossible to tell unless it actually happens. I'd like to be more optimistic about the situation, though. Even without immortality, overpopulation seems inevitable, and a journey into/ home in space would be nice.
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   For the first part, if that ever were to happen, things would change in a odd way. Even with immortality, people are still going to die of non-natural causes, like car crashes, drowning, that kind of stuff (at least that is what I assume), so I feel like people would still pray, at the start at least. I feel like it would cause some sort of dwindle in religious beliefs, until almost all of us don't have religious beliefs, because we would feel it wouldn't matter. I think people would feel empowered with this life that they could live forever in, if they were careful, and it would change our lifestyle and religion. Not to mention that it would really change up the economy, and government. The government gives over $100 billion a year to fund churches, which you could do a ton with.    Secondly, I think that an encounter with another species from some different planet is more likely with us finding them then them coming to us. I mean, look at every single other creature on Earth. Yes, they are smart, but none of them have created a civilization near as complex as we have, and we still aren't close to space travel throughout our solar system, let alone inter-stellar. But if it were to happen, I feel like it would be the same thing that we do to animals. They might leave us alone, or try to communicate with us, or they might try to raise us like cattle, or display us on their planet.    That brings up another question though. What if we found an alien species on some planet light-years away? What would we do? I feel like we would try to communicate, but all things considered, that could be a very risky idea. If they felt threatened, they could retaliate, or try to communicate with us. Either way, I don't think it would go well. Look at what happened when Europeans came over to America, or the Spanish to the Aztecs, it just ends in wars, and stuff you don't want to get into.
   For the first part, if that ever were to happen, things would change in a odd way. Even with immortality, people are still going to die of non-natural causes, like car crashes, drowning, that kind of stuff (at least that is what I assume), so I feel like people would still pray, at the start at least. I feel like it would cause some sort of dwindle in religious beliefs, until almost all of us don't have religious beliefs, because we would feel it wouldn't matter. I think people would feel empowered with this life that they could live forever in, if they were careful, and it would change our lifestyle and religion. Not to mention that it would really change up the economy, and government. The government gives over $100 billion a year to fund churches, which you could do a ton with.    Secondly, I think that an encounter with another species from some different planet is more likely with us finding them then them coming to us. I mean, look at every single other creature on Earth. Yes, they are smart, but none of them have created a civilization near as complex as we have, and we still aren't close to space travel throughout our solar system, let alone inter-stellar. But if it were to happen, I feel like it would be the same thing that we do to animals. They might leave us alone, or try to communicate with us, or they might try to raise us like cattle, or display us on their planet.    That brings up another question though. What if we found an alien species on some planet light-years away? What would we do? I feel like we would try to communicate, but all things considered, that could be a very risky idea. If they felt threatened, they could retaliate, or try to communicate with us. Either way, I don't think it would go well. Look at what happened when Europeans came over to America, or the Spanish to the Aztecs, it just ends in wars, and stuff you don't want to get into.
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If immortality were possible? That would be pretty darn cool. (I am an agnostic, by the way.) I would be able to do so many of the things I want to do, because I would have the money to do so.
And if we were to actually make communicable contact with an intergalactic species of intelligence? I am not going to lie: even if I am an American soldier, I would be scared out if my flipping mind.
warmaker: Actually, I highly doubt that there will be war if alien contact ever does occur. Not only does the United States of America have plans in place for a hostile and non-hostile alien contact, but the United Nations has plans for everything you mentioned. It is kept on the hush hush, but you can find it... not the actual plans itself, but that they do exist.
Singelli: yes, there might be war, but.between small countries over beliefs. Fir mire information, read my response to warmaker.
If immortality were possible? That would be pretty darn cool. (I am an agnostic, by the way.) I would be able to do so many of the things I want to do, because I would have the money to do so.
And if we were to actually make communicable contact with an intergalactic species of intelligence? I am not going to lie: even if I am an American soldier, I would be scared out if my flipping mind.
warmaker: Actually, I highly doubt that there will be war if alien contact ever does occur. Not only does the United States of America have plans in place for a hostile and non-hostile alien contact, but the United Nations has plans for everything you mentioned. It is kept on the hush hush, but you can find it... not the actual plans itself, but that they do exist.
Singelli: yes, there might be war, but.between small countries over beliefs. Fir mire information, read my response to warmaker.
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First question:I doubt that would ever happen its just impossible if it did happen the earth will eventually become over populated where will we live most of the earth is oceans we will eventually run out of space to the point we have millions of people living on the street next we will run out of food to the point when parents can't feed themselves and their beloved children question two:I don't aliens are real we been trying to find that out for a long time there's no evidence there living if there is its probably some weird guy dressed up as a alien and lives on the moon aliens are not real humans are the only life forms that exist aliens is just a rumor people make money off of just like Bigfoot and unicorns its all a big lie there is no proof none at all 
First question:I doubt that would ever happen its just impossible if it did happen the earth will eventually become over populated where will we live most of the earth is oceans we will eventually run out of space to the point we have millions of people living on the street next we will run out of food to the point when parents can't feed themselves and their beloved children question two:I don't aliens are real we been trying to find that out for a long time there's no evidence there living if there is its probably some weird guy dressed up as a alien and lives on the moon aliens are not real humans are the only life forms that exist aliens is just a rumor people make money off of just like Bigfoot and unicorns its all a big lie there is no proof none at all 
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I think that if immortality was confirmed religion would die down a little mainly because people would worry less about death and the afterlife.


Second If we don meet any extraterrestrials it might take awhile but I think we could eventually understand each other.  I would give it a year.  Most likely is we would think they're posing a threat and go to war with them until we can understand each other and make peace.
I think that if immortality was confirmed religion would die down a little mainly because people would worry less about death and the afterlife.


Second If we don meet any extraterrestrials it might take awhile but I think we could eventually understand each other.  I would give it a year.  Most likely is we would think they're posing a threat and go to war with them until we can understand each other and make peace.
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