I know that some people may disagree with this, but i actually miss the role list. I mean when it was active it required more thought and made people actually think before shooting people blindly.  It'd be better if the role list just said the number of people left in a team, and not to reveal special roles. E.g mafia has a godfather, forger and mafia sided sheriff. But it only comes up as mafia (3)

As a member of mafia in that last round. I literally had only hunches and small things to kill people on. And i think i did a reasonable job considering i didn't know who was what etc.

The end game was just me basically figuring out that Pacman had the same objectives as me and then forming a team., and then basically voting off the people who were most likely to try and change the way of the voting. In the end it obviously worked

KiddoCabbuses :

Mafia got boring. And you guys made hosting the last 2 or 3 games boring as f***.

So really this game was a giant middle finger to you all. You are welcome.

Anyway, now I'll address your ways to make it "better".

1. No. No bomb class ever. I hate the class. Period.
2. I really was considering sneaking in a Saboteur in this game and hope no one noticed... but that'd be underhanded. I was considering it though, and I myself am upset that so many people thought it was a good idea to shoot wildly. I figured last round was a fluke... but I guess people are just trigger happy. Go figure.
3. This was more a thing to start this round, since idle deaths will happen next game. I encouraged it this round so they got into the habit of it. Now if they stay idle next game they WILL die.
4. Already been handled.
5. Nah, the fool was JUST introduced, so people were going to be a little more wary. It happens whenever a new role is introduced. As a result, I think the lack of action by the fools was a combination of how people played the fool, and the "newness" of the role. Historically, the new roles never do great right off the bat.
6. I make no promises.
7. I make no promises.
8. I make no promises. In the end, I host this game because it entertains ME. I host the game so I can enjoy posting a monotonous update every few days. The moment the game stops being fun for me, it will be fun for no one period. Because once it stops being fun, I will go out of my way to be a dick to everyone (by doing things like making MasterDash a tree, dragging out the game, etc).

I'll say this only one more time.

This game was a punishment to you, the players. I got bored last game, and this game was your penalty round. You have no one to blame but yourselves.

sonicmcmuffin :

I understand the concern, but I don't think I can really bring it back now. It's just a pain to maintain a SECOND list... and it's also not beneficial to the type of game I'm striving to create (because you are delusional if you think it's done.) which is a game where it's just chaotic enough to prevent people from being in a position to win right away. The alignment check is ALSO not going to happen for a more obvious reason. Such as this round, there were 2 mafias, and 2 teams of bystanders. If I showed the alignments, it would have been obvious there were more than 1 team of each.

It's easier to be mafia in a blind game than a bystander. I introduced it to offset some of the advantages the bystanders have. So if I bring back the role list and the alignment ratio, then I need to nerf something else out. In the end, it's too much work for something I don't even personally want.

And that's exactly what I wanted to see. The moment you knew you were a Leggyist, you knew any revived player who posted in thread was ALSO a Leggyist. It's not seen in the thread, but it was clear to me you two were working together. Which is exactly what you want at the end moreso than anything.

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Anyway...

I'm so pissed off at the players, that I'm going to wait quite a while to host a game.

This is for one of a few reasons.

A. I am pissed off, and you don't want another round like this. This is the type of round I make when I am pissed off.
B. I am frankly getting bored of hosting continuous mafia. I miss when casu did Murder Mystery. It gave me time to recharge.
C. I need to plot something diabolical.

Yeah all fair points. I wasn't complaining it was only a mere personal preference.

Same i feel as we need another sort of game like the Murder Mysteries or perhaps a new invented game to entertain people when there isn't a mafia game running, it'd also give you more time to think of mischievous and entertaining ideas.

I'd even go as far to say that i would host the next MM if there wasn't two things that prevented me so.

1) it's not my place just to randomly create a new Murder Mystery without discussing it in detail with the_ casualty and others.
2) I am very uncertain about my actual availability to come on this site, as i could be homeless within the next week.

legacyme3 : Last 2 or 3 games? Round VI I can see (idle players, the round basically coming down to having roles outted, and the Mafia not acting as a team really hurt it), but Round VII had too fast a pace to be considered boring by definition, and felt like it had just the right blend of calculated actions and thought-process-manipulating surprises for it to be a Round I consider a "Good Mafia Round". I thought Round VII was pretty fun because the twists were swerving enough without being outright GM Trolling (Of course, this is mostly because the Potato Rule didn't fully kick in), the player roles appeared to have been set up so as to optimize the way the other players play off each other, and in spite of my appearance of being calculated, it actually filled me with quite a bit of mental and emotional tension.
In that game I basically shifted thought process quickly from "That's a heck of a lot of shooting going on in a night round" on Night 1 to "Argh, [expletive deleted] Masterdash! I'm lynching him!" on Day 1 and "Oh dear, WarpStarFerret PMed me. Is he telling the truth, or trying to get me to slip up by pretending he trusts me?" on Night 2, "Oh God I pray that this long rant doesn't make me look suspicious" on Day 2 and finally "Oh, dangit, was MasterDash right about silverthundr being Loose Cannon? Well, now I just have to hope silverthundr doesn't shoot me... Oh dang, maybe I shouldn't have set up sonicmcmuffin to die, that's absurdly risky...." on Night 3...
It all felt fulfilling to me, and I'm not just saying that because my alignment won that time, but because it felt like a legitimate mental challenge - a real game, where mental skills were aggressively yet fairly tested, and whoever won (And in that last night it could've easily been the Town if even one detail changed, such as myself getting shot or someone else not dying) really "earned" it, working their whole way through the layers of theoretical mind-game gambits and being able to either figure everything out, or fool everyone. I'd feel the same way there even if it turned out WarpStarFerret was on to me or silverthundr picked me as a target during the last night, because it was, basically, good players in a good game.

Round VI wasn't like that (Which is pretty much because the Mafia weren't really trying that hard, although I think it -could- have gotten there if they bothered to off the Researchers when they had the chance), and Round VIII sure as heck wasn't like that, either.

As for other games to play.... Perhaps we can have one that doesn't involve "killing" other players? Hrm.

If you wanted a break, Leggy, I would be willing to try my hand. I cannot hope that my hand will be as skilled or ingenius or devious as yours, but if you are getting slightly tired or fed up, I could assist. My only worry would be that I've never hosted a play by post mafia game, just hosted live sessions.

kabenon007 :

No.

I've already said all along that I would never hand over the reigns to the game to anyone (except silverthundr, in the case that I no longer even like mafia)

Everyone will just have to deal with a little downtime this round. Everyone is free to come up with a game that isn't mafia that you all can play when mafia ends. But it's just not feasible to play mafia continuously.

This is as much a recharge for you as it is to me.

I don't know, I might be able to set up something that is NotMafia. Or Not Mafia, if that's what you'd prefer. I was supposed to get a chance to host eventually, but I'm pretty sure that won't happen. If I get motivated, I might have something for people to do.

silverthundr :

Maybe once I've finished a set of 10 games.

I want to at least finish 10 mafia games before I ever consider giving a game to anyone else.

But rest assured, you are at the top of the list of hosts.

Time to close this thread...

Also, an announcement on when I'll start conducting signups for Mafia IX...

The week before Vizzed Camp ends (August 25th or so) signups will open. August 30th or 31st, signups will close. Game will begin September 1st.

Thank you everyone for being patient!