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Should Child Molestors Be Put To Death??

 

10-03-12 04:07 PM
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Yes child molesters should be put to death because they know that they are doing wrong and its also a bad thing for a child to take place in such a horrible thing.
Yes child molesters should be put to death because they know that they are doing wrong and its also a bad thing for a child to take place in such a horrible thing.
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10-03-12 04:18 PM
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Oldschool41 : I never claimed to be a good debater... just an opinionated person who says what she feels.

Your post was very verbose and seemed to mainly center around telling me that I did a poor job at debating. I don't feel that it is a good debating technique to devote so much focus on telling the other person why they're not a good debater. You shouldn't need to do that in order to present your side. If your argument is good enough, it stands on its own and just makes the other side look weak by comparison. You don't have to point it out, it just becomes obvious.

As for the death penalty comment... yes, I was referring to the United States. Yes, I realize there are only 18 or so states that forbid the death penalty. However, one of those states is New York, a very high-population state that probably deals with murder cases a fair bit. Also even the states that do have the death penalty as a legal option don't use it ALL of the time. Given this, my point still stands that you don't see murders being sentenced to death all the time... in some states it's not even allowed. The reason I bring this up is because it bothers me greatly that people seem to have the mentality that molestation is worse than murder.

So I guess the real issue for me is that... not that people want to see molesters and rapist put to death for the crimes... but that they would sooner see that than seeing murders put to death. That's really the horrifying part of all this. When you feel that someone who took the life of another deserves a softer sentence than someone who sexually violated another but didn't kill them... that's when I start fearing for the world... because it sends the message that people aren't actually valuing the gift of life and are instead prioritizing their assumptions about the quality of one's life.

Yes, you can make the argument that this sort of thing is traumatizing and some people may never recover. You can say they will live the rest of their lives suffering... but how do you really know that? Each case and person is different... and unless you have first-hand experience being in that situation, you can't really even begin to understand how someone put through that actually feels. I don't like how everyone tries to speak like they know what it's like when they don't. I will not do that. I will readily admit I have no clue what it's like and I'm not going to pretend I can account for what it's like psychologically. I do know what it means to be alive, though. I know that once you die, you have no further chance at life. I know that as long as you're alive, you have a chance to do things. Even if something traumatic happens to you, you have the possibility of recovery. It may be difficult, but there's the potential to still live a happy life in the end. So really, who has it better? A person who is dead or a person who was violated, but still alive with chances and potential?

You never know what life holds for you. Don't devalue life. It is sacred.

People who commit sex crimes definitely deserve punishment... but isn't that what things like prison and forced labor are for? Some people get sexually violated in prison anyway so that could be just desserts.

People who commit crimes against children deserve more severe punishment than what they would get for the same crime against an adult.

Combine the two, and yes, it should be something really harsh... but harsher than murderers?
Oldschool41 : I never claimed to be a good debater... just an opinionated person who says what she feels.

Your post was very verbose and seemed to mainly center around telling me that I did a poor job at debating. I don't feel that it is a good debating technique to devote so much focus on telling the other person why they're not a good debater. You shouldn't need to do that in order to present your side. If your argument is good enough, it stands on its own and just makes the other side look weak by comparison. You don't have to point it out, it just becomes obvious.

As for the death penalty comment... yes, I was referring to the United States. Yes, I realize there are only 18 or so states that forbid the death penalty. However, one of those states is New York, a very high-population state that probably deals with murder cases a fair bit. Also even the states that do have the death penalty as a legal option don't use it ALL of the time. Given this, my point still stands that you don't see murders being sentenced to death all the time... in some states it's not even allowed. The reason I bring this up is because it bothers me greatly that people seem to have the mentality that molestation is worse than murder.

So I guess the real issue for me is that... not that people want to see molesters and rapist put to death for the crimes... but that they would sooner see that than seeing murders put to death. That's really the horrifying part of all this. When you feel that someone who took the life of another deserves a softer sentence than someone who sexually violated another but didn't kill them... that's when I start fearing for the world... because it sends the message that people aren't actually valuing the gift of life and are instead prioritizing their assumptions about the quality of one's life.

Yes, you can make the argument that this sort of thing is traumatizing and some people may never recover. You can say they will live the rest of their lives suffering... but how do you really know that? Each case and person is different... and unless you have first-hand experience being in that situation, you can't really even begin to understand how someone put through that actually feels. I don't like how everyone tries to speak like they know what it's like when they don't. I will not do that. I will readily admit I have no clue what it's like and I'm not going to pretend I can account for what it's like psychologically. I do know what it means to be alive, though. I know that once you die, you have no further chance at life. I know that as long as you're alive, you have a chance to do things. Even if something traumatic happens to you, you have the possibility of recovery. It may be difficult, but there's the potential to still live a happy life in the end. So really, who has it better? A person who is dead or a person who was violated, but still alive with chances and potential?

You never know what life holds for you. Don't devalue life. It is sacred.

People who commit sex crimes definitely deserve punishment... but isn't that what things like prison and forced labor are for? Some people get sexually violated in prison anyway so that could be just desserts.

People who commit crimes against children deserve more severe punishment than what they would get for the same crime against an adult.

Combine the two, and yes, it should be something really harsh... but harsher than murderers?
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10-03-12 04:24 PM
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Crazy Li: My main point wasn't to insult your debating skills and I'm sorry if my post came out that way to you (I was trying to offering some tips, but I should have worded my tips better...so my fault).
Crazy Li: My main point wasn't to insult your debating skills and I'm sorry if my post came out that way to you (I was trying to offering some tips, but I should have worded my tips better...so my fault).
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I don't think child molesters can "change".
It's not like they choose to like the little girls and boys, it's more like with gay people, how did Lady Gaga put it? They're born that way.
However, I do not believe downright killing them is the right way to go either.

That doesn't mean I approve of the act of child molestation, though, and pedophiles that do that definitely deserve to at least go into jail for many, many years, but a lot of pedos actually actively try to suppress the urge to do these things and even more of them actually just don't have that urge at all and just don't pay any attention to it, just like how people with, say, a liking for feet, can get off without them, too.
And I really think society should help them with this a little more, ESPECIALLY when they visit self-help groups and the like, and not just go haywire at the sight of every pedo.
I mean, I understand their worries, but man, cut them some slack, they're not going to kidnap your child out of nowhere. Most of the time.

They do at times look up nasty images on the internet because that's just what floats their boat, but I guess as long as they don't harm them themselves it's okay-ish.
And yes, I talked to quite a few pedophiles already, personally and over the internet.

tl;dr don't kill them, help them
I don't think child molesters can "change".
It's not like they choose to like the little girls and boys, it's more like with gay people, how did Lady Gaga put it? They're born that way.
However, I do not believe downright killing them is the right way to go either.

That doesn't mean I approve of the act of child molestation, though, and pedophiles that do that definitely deserve to at least go into jail for many, many years, but a lot of pedos actually actively try to suppress the urge to do these things and even more of them actually just don't have that urge at all and just don't pay any attention to it, just like how people with, say, a liking for feet, can get off without them, too.
And I really think society should help them with this a little more, ESPECIALLY when they visit self-help groups and the like, and not just go haywire at the sight of every pedo.
I mean, I understand their worries, but man, cut them some slack, they're not going to kidnap your child out of nowhere. Most of the time.

They do at times look up nasty images on the internet because that's just what floats their boat, but I guess as long as they don't harm them themselves it's okay-ish.
And yes, I talked to quite a few pedophiles already, personally and over the internet.

tl;dr don't kill them, help them
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This becomes a matter of economic consequence.   If we imprison them for some period of time now we as tax payers have to pay for them to sit in prison to probably pop out and recommit the crime later on.   If we kill them then we don't have to pay as much, however I know that in some states those put on death row are allowed to wait like 10 years to appeal before their time to meet their maker comes, because there might be new evidence to prove they didn't do it or whatever.   They still occupy the prison system which is getting cramped in this country as it is.   I just don't think they should be allowed into a place that has young children around them.   if you are going to reintegrate these people then put them in a place that they would be less tempted to go back on their urges than if they were in a neighborhood of kids.  
This becomes a matter of economic consequence.   If we imprison them for some period of time now we as tax payers have to pay for them to sit in prison to probably pop out and recommit the crime later on.   If we kill them then we don't have to pay as much, however I know that in some states those put on death row are allowed to wait like 10 years to appeal before their time to meet their maker comes, because there might be new evidence to prove they didn't do it or whatever.   They still occupy the prison system which is getting cramped in this country as it is.   I just don't think they should be allowed into a place that has young children around them.   if you are going to reintegrate these people then put them in a place that they would be less tempted to go back on their urges than if they were in a neighborhood of kids.  
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