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rcarter2 : Thanks for the help there, that's exactly what I meant. I was pretty much ignoring the Bible argument, actually.
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MegaRevolution1 : Okay I'll apologize, I might had tooken it as your insulting mr.keys directly and not the bible part. Was my mistake. rcarter2 : Yeah the part where he says gay guys walking up to him and talking is a little confusing. If they are hitting on him then I can see why he doesn't like it, but if they are just having a conversation with him without trying to hit on him then its a little ignorant (again no offense mr.keys). MegaRevolution1 : Okay I'll apologize, I might had tooken it as your insulting mr.keys directly and not the bible part. Was my mistake. rcarter2 : Yeah the part where he says gay guys walking up to him and talking is a little confusing. If they are hitting on him then I can see why he doesn't like it, but if they are just having a conversation with him without trying to hit on him then its a little ignorant (again no offense mr.keys). |
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I hate it when other homosexuals hit on me, and I am one... I can totally understand Mr.Keys if that is what he meant. And yes, I would go with allowing gay marriage of course. Not even because as I said I am a homosexual myself. I just find it 'wrong' to 'deny' something like that. Again, it's not like it will even really effect other people, no more than it effects me that me that the 20 different families across the street from me more or less probably have at least one married couple in the house hold right now. And yes, I would go with allowing gay marriage of course. Not even because as I said I am a homosexual myself. I just find it 'wrong' to 'deny' something like that. Again, it's not like it will even really effect other people, no more than it effects me that me that the 20 different families across the street from me more or less probably have at least one married couple in the house hold right now. |
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mr.keys : In the least offensive way to put it, honestly believe that you are making this up. I would like some actual further proof or explanation, or even have you explain why they apparently do it so often as you've implied, Nya~. |
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Youre non muslims arent islamaphobes comparison dosent withstand a few basic points. Not being a muslim is down to thinking there view on life is incorrect. Thinking islam is wrong is borderline intolerance, albeit it has more justification than the next point as you can use solid facts to argue why religion in general is wrong. Not being gay dosent make you a homophobe. By definition thinking homosexuality in the grand scheme of things is not correct dosent necesarily constitute homophobia (although its closer to the line than the afermentioned religion point). However taking a stance that gay is disgusting, that its a disease, or a choice, that is pretty much homophobia right there. You criticise again the idea of live and let live, or to take a religious stance, do unto others as you would unto yourself. But your point of legitimisation is that we are talking about our reproductive abilitys. I could pursue so many avenues there but lets keep it to a manageable three. 1. Your body is neither state or society owned and and regulation saying otherwise is a violation of your human rights. 2. Gays arent going to have kids anyway and linking to point 1 arent under any obligation so if thats there choice the biological purpose can be redundant. 3. Theres a lot worse things going on with the straight people on this side of things, the acts of gays are small chips here. My body is a science lab. When i was little i tested it to try and walk. I tried to put the blocks i had in the correct slots to improve my hand eye co ordination and cognitive ability. When i started snowboarding i fell a lot, and got many injuries. I had to come up with a whole new stance, balance, technique, to get to the stage im at now. Your whole life is trying to get the best from yourself, experimenting, seeing what you can achieve. If someone wanted to continue that behind closed doors go nuts. Its your life, you have to decide how to live it. Youre non muslims arent islamaphobes comparison dosent withstand a few basic points. Not being a muslim is down to thinking there view on life is incorrect. Thinking islam is wrong is borderline intolerance, albeit it has more justification than the next point as you can use solid facts to argue why religion in general is wrong. Not being gay dosent make you a homophobe. By definition thinking homosexuality in the grand scheme of things is not correct dosent necesarily constitute homophobia (although its closer to the line than the afermentioned religion point). However taking a stance that gay is disgusting, that its a disease, or a choice, that is pretty much homophobia right there. You criticise again the idea of live and let live, or to take a religious stance, do unto others as you would unto yourself. But your point of legitimisation is that we are talking about our reproductive abilitys. I could pursue so many avenues there but lets keep it to a manageable three. 1. Your body is neither state or society owned and and regulation saying otherwise is a violation of your human rights. 2. Gays arent going to have kids anyway and linking to point 1 arent under any obligation so if thats there choice the biological purpose can be redundant. 3. Theres a lot worse things going on with the straight people on this side of things, the acts of gays are small chips here. My body is a science lab. When i was little i tested it to try and walk. I tried to put the blocks i had in the correct slots to improve my hand eye co ordination and cognitive ability. When i started snowboarding i fell a lot, and got many injuries. I had to come up with a whole new stance, balance, technique, to get to the stage im at now. Your whole life is trying to get the best from yourself, experimenting, seeing what you can achieve. If someone wanted to continue that behind closed doors go nuts. Its your life, you have to decide how to live it. |
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You obviously didn't bother to finish my post. In fact, you don't seem to have read even the *first* part very thoroughly. I said that I *no longer* disapprove of homosexual activity, that I was *never* opposed to anyone not having the legal right to it or to gay marriage, and that these things were *never* important to me. For heaven's sake stop skimming. It does bear mention, though, that the "not all non-Muslims are Islamaphobes" point is indeed an *extremely* good analogy, because there is a difference between merely disagreeing with something and being prejudiced against it. A person who disagrees with Islam is a non-Muslim; a person who believes all Muslims to be murderous believers in religious global domination is an Islamophobe. In the same way, while a person who finds homosexuality to be "disgusting" or a mental illness is a homophobe, someone who merely disapproves in the abstract of acting on homosexual impulses is not automatically one, he merely holds different values or opinions from your own. And to automatically brand anyone as a bigot for not thinking exactly as you do is itself bigotry, just as it would be were the thinking in question religious beliefs. I am not prejudiced against people who drink just because I believe in teetotalism, now am I? You obviously didn't bother to finish my post. In fact, you don't seem to have read even the *first* part very thoroughly. I said that I *no longer* disapprove of homosexual activity, that I was *never* opposed to anyone not having the legal right to it or to gay marriage, and that these things were *never* important to me. For heaven's sake stop skimming. It does bear mention, though, that the "not all non-Muslims are Islamaphobes" point is indeed an *extremely* good analogy, because there is a difference between merely disagreeing with something and being prejudiced against it. A person who disagrees with Islam is a non-Muslim; a person who believes all Muslims to be murderous believers in religious global domination is an Islamophobe. In the same way, while a person who finds homosexuality to be "disgusting" or a mental illness is a homophobe, someone who merely disapproves in the abstract of acting on homosexual impulses is not automatically one, he merely holds different values or opinions from your own. And to automatically brand anyone as a bigot for not thinking exactly as you do is itself bigotry, just as it would be were the thinking in question religious beliefs. I am not prejudiced against people who drink just because I believe in teetotalism, now am I? |
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I don't think it'll come as a surprise to anyone if I mention that I'm against gay marriage. To keep it simple, the Bible states that homosexuality as a sin. I understand that people can make their own choices but I also fully understand that this country was founded as a nation under God. Our founding fathers established our country as a Christian one. |
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No they absolutely did not. In fact I don't even know where to begin in refuting that, though volumes of disproof have been written already. Let me keep it simple: even if they *had* intended this to be a Christian nation (and most of them were deists, many of which in fact thought very little of Christianity), that would still not automatically make them right to do so. They were fallible people like everyone else and two and a half centuries of changes have taken place since their time. Every time in history that non-political ideologies have mixed with politics due to the actions of fallible people (be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Marxist atheism or anything else) nothing but evil has ever come of it. Unless you are a divinely sent prophet, you must keep everything except politics out of politics. That "founded as a Christian nation" thing drives me up the wall. I mean, inaccuracy meter overload. Thomas Jefferson wrote, and I quote, "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their 'legislature' should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties." No they absolutely did not. In fact I don't even know where to begin in refuting that, though volumes of disproof have been written already. Let me keep it simple: even if they *had* intended this to be a Christian nation (and most of them were deists, many of which in fact thought very little of Christianity), that would still not automatically make them right to do so. They were fallible people like everyone else and two and a half centuries of changes have taken place since their time. Every time in history that non-political ideologies have mixed with politics due to the actions of fallible people (be it Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Marxist atheism or anything else) nothing but evil has ever come of it. Unless you are a divinely sent prophet, you must keep everything except politics out of politics. That "founded as a Christian nation" thing drives me up the wall. I mean, inaccuracy meter overload. Thomas Jefferson wrote, and I quote, "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their 'legislature' should 'make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,' thus building a wall of separation between church and State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties." |
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I am not gay myself but i do support it becuase i do belive that one gender can be just as in love as oppisite genders can, and i see no problem with that as long as they are happy I am not gay myself but i do support it becuase i do belive that one gender can be just as in love as oppisite genders can, and i see no problem with that as long as they are happy |
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RalphTheWonderLlama : you obviously just assumed debating your points meant i didnt realise you wouldnt opose gay mariage. Theres no need to be uncivil.
Take a chill pill. Its really not a good analogy,at all, its far too simplistic. Not being muslim is comparable to not being gay. Thinking 'being gay is wrong' is more on par to thinking being religious is wrong. I stated clearly that disagreeing homosexuality is correct wouldnt necessarily constitute homophobia. "you obviously didnt bother to finish my post...stop skimming." Oh SNAP! Take a chill pill. Its really not a good analogy,at all, its far too simplistic. Not being muslim is comparable to not being gay. Thinking 'being gay is wrong' is more on par to thinking being religious is wrong. I stated clearly that disagreeing homosexuality is correct wouldnt necessarily constitute homophobia. "you obviously didnt bother to finish my post...stop skimming." Oh SNAP! |
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If you weren't addressing those three points to me, you may as well not have addressed the post to me. I can hardly be blamed for thinking you were. If you weren't addressing those three points to me, you may as well not have addressed the post to me. I can hardly be blamed for thinking you were. |
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youre still missing my point The three points WERE addressed to you. I know you stated you wouldnt oppose gay marriage, that dosent mean i wont debate your points you made, this is the debate forum. youre still missing my point The three points WERE addressed to you. I know you stated you wouldnt oppose gay marriage, that dosent mean i wont debate your points you made, this is the debate forum. |
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If they were addressed to me then that just proves you didn't take in what I said. #1 and #3 are arguing against positions I've never agreed with in my entire life and #2 is about something I *used* to think and don't anymore. If they were addressed to me then that just proves you didn't take in what I said. #1 and #3 are arguing against positions I've never agreed with in my entire life and #2 is about something I *used* to think and don't anymore. |
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iSPY! : Wow. Just wow. Talk about a complete list of misguided assumptions about the way gay people are. First of all, the whole "propose to you in public" thing is absolute bull. Do you think that gay people just propose to anyone of the same gender willy nilly? They are no different that any heterosexual when it comes to proposing to people. They date, get into a serious loving relationship, and THEN propose. So the only way that a gay person is going to propose to you is if you have been dating that person and were in a committed relationship. Geez. Why the hell do you just assume they are going to publicly propose to you? As for the whole "sitting next to a gay person and thinking of all the things they are imagining they could do with you" thing, welcome to the world of pretty much every woman out there. Lets face it. A lot of guys have sex on their mind. There are a lot of heterosexual men out there who behave no different than the gay person you described when it comes to imagining sexual things. Think of how many men who see an attractive woman just think of all the things they would love to do with them. You act like heterosexuals don't do that too. Ignorance. Next, gay marriage does nothing to the STD rate. It's the sex that causes it (between homosexuals AND heterosexuals). Last time I checked, it was not illegal to have sex out of marriage, so your your argument holds no merit. Besides. Just like in a heterosexual marriage, homosexuals who get married are typically in a committed relationship with their partner. How are they "spreading STD's and making the rate climb higher" when they are only having sex with their spouse? Seriously. I want you to explain that to me. As for your comment about "I don't have gay friends; I avoid them". You know what that statement is? Bigotry. What you just said is no different than saying you avoid people of certain religions because you think they are bad people. You, sir, are prejudice. you can't deny it. I'm not saying that disagreeing with homosexuality or even gay marriage makes you prejudice, but the fact that you actively shout out scenarios based on no merit other than your own personal hatred and pretty much assume that this one thing about them makes them bad people is a textbook example of a bigot. As for your 'against nature' argument, that is bull. There are a lot of wild animals out there that often partake in homosexual acts. For example: Bison, Brown Bears, Rats, Elephants, Giraffes, Chimps, Goats, Lions, Koalas, Raccoon, Chickens, Emu, Seagulls, Penguins, Salmon, Dolphins, many species of snake, Wood Turtles, Black Spotted Frogs, certain species of Salamander, some Desert Toads, Box Crabs, and the list goes on. For all of those animals and many more, homosexuality is not uncommon. So these naturally wild creatures are against nature as well? Doesn't make sense. I think what you mean is that it is against YOUR nature. Every one of your arguments are based solely on your own perception of gays that you clearly haven't even taken the time to see for yourself. Try talking to a gay couple who are in a committed relationship and want to get married. You would be surprised how they are nothing like you described. And before you start saying it is against nature, try doing some research to back that up. Not that you can anyway because it is a fact that it already exists in nature. Lastly, this post was taken word for word on another user's post about gay marriage, so your word count is ignored. As for the whole "sitting next to a gay person and thinking of all the things they are imagining they could do with you" thing, welcome to the world of pretty much every woman out there. Lets face it. A lot of guys have sex on their mind. There are a lot of heterosexual men out there who behave no different than the gay person you described when it comes to imagining sexual things. Think of how many men who see an attractive woman just think of all the things they would love to do with them. You act like heterosexuals don't do that too. Ignorance. Next, gay marriage does nothing to the STD rate. It's the sex that causes it (between homosexuals AND heterosexuals). Last time I checked, it was not illegal to have sex out of marriage, so your your argument holds no merit. Besides. Just like in a heterosexual marriage, homosexuals who get married are typically in a committed relationship with their partner. How are they "spreading STD's and making the rate climb higher" when they are only having sex with their spouse? Seriously. I want you to explain that to me. As for your comment about "I don't have gay friends; I avoid them". You know what that statement is? Bigotry. What you just said is no different than saying you avoid people of certain religions because you think they are bad people. You, sir, are prejudice. you can't deny it. I'm not saying that disagreeing with homosexuality or even gay marriage makes you prejudice, but the fact that you actively shout out scenarios based on no merit other than your own personal hatred and pretty much assume that this one thing about them makes them bad people is a textbook example of a bigot. As for your 'against nature' argument, that is bull. There are a lot of wild animals out there that often partake in homosexual acts. For example: Bison, Brown Bears, Rats, Elephants, Giraffes, Chimps, Goats, Lions, Koalas, Raccoon, Chickens, Emu, Seagulls, Penguins, Salmon, Dolphins, many species of snake, Wood Turtles, Black Spotted Frogs, certain species of Salamander, some Desert Toads, Box Crabs, and the list goes on. For all of those animals and many more, homosexuality is not uncommon. So these naturally wild creatures are against nature as well? Doesn't make sense. I think what you mean is that it is against YOUR nature. Every one of your arguments are based solely on your own perception of gays that you clearly haven't even taken the time to see for yourself. Try talking to a gay couple who are in a committed relationship and want to get married. You would be surprised how they are nothing like you described. And before you start saying it is against nature, try doing some research to back that up. Not that you can anyway because it is a fact that it already exists in nature. Lastly, this post was taken word for word on another user's post about gay marriage, so your word count is ignored. |
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