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05-25-13 12:55 PM
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ToGLe666 : That's ludicrous. Are you actually suggesting that marriage did not exist before the advent of Christianity, or in any of the thousands of non-Christian cultures around the world? No part of same-sex marriage would require a church to perform a wedding it does not wish to, as the actual marriage is done by the government.
ToGLe666 : That's ludicrous. Are you actually suggesting that marriage did not exist before the advent of Christianity, or in any of the thousands of non-Christian cultures around the world? No part of same-sex marriage would require a church to perform a wedding it does not wish to, as the actual marriage is done by the government.
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Traduweise : I'll be honest, and please don't judge me here but I don't actually care one way or the other. I know that's bad and fair enough, I assumed this thread was about religious marriage. That's not the case, I apologise but it really doesn't concern me as I don't see the problem with a civil partnership.
Traduweise : I'll be honest, and please don't judge me here but I don't actually care one way or the other. I know that's bad and fair enough, I assumed this thread was about religious marriage. That's not the case, I apologise but it really doesn't concern me as I don't see the problem with a civil partnership.
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"Separate but equal" is not actually equal. Now religious marriage, that's something I don't care about. It has no legal relevence.
"Separate but equal" is not actually equal. Now religious marriage, that's something I don't care about. It has no legal relevence.
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Traduweise : Yeah, I do fully agree, the true marriage is when you're getting your marriage license, the wedding in church is just a show.
So yeah, I would agree, they can get married without having a wedding.
Traduweise : Yeah, I do fully agree, the true marriage is when you're getting your marriage license, the wedding in church is just a show.
So yeah, I would agree, they can get married without having a wedding.
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I think gay marriage is completely wrong. There is a reason two humans of the same sex cannot have children. Just think if you had two dads.
I think gay marriage is completely wrong. There is a reason two humans of the same sex cannot have children. Just think if you had two dads.
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Roccoharde :
Is it wrong for a single parent to be allowed to raise a child? Is i then wrong if a single parent raises a child, with the help of a same gender friend that lives with them? why does the fact they then love each other make it an issue?

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Is it wrong for a single parent to be allowed to raise a child? Is i then wrong if a single parent raises a child, with the help of a same gender friend that lives with them? why does the fact they then love each other make it an issue?

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Roccoharde : Do you think sterile people should refrain from getting married, too? What about people who just don't want children?
There's no evidence to suggest that people raised by same-sex parents are worse off than those raised by straight parents.
Roccoharde : Do you think sterile people should refrain from getting married, too? What about people who just don't want children?
There's no evidence to suggest that people raised by same-sex parents are worse off than those raised by straight parents.
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I see your point but I just don't think it is morally correct.
I see your point but I just don't think it is morally correct.
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Roccoharde : Two gay adults making the decision to get married has never hurt anyone. Forgive me, but I fail to see the problem you have with it.
Roccoharde : Two gay adults making the decision to get married has never hurt anyone. Forgive me, but I fail to see the problem you have with it.
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I shall say that even though Yes religions have laws and sins and other things condemning homosexuality and marriage. We still have to separate religion and governmental law. If a religion has an opinion opposing something, does it give them the right to push the envelope so hard that a law has to be made for it? Or even against it? I know it gets kind of complex at this point because the United States of America is very much built over a somewhat Christianity foundation. But is the amendment, about religion not having a foothold in laws, being ignored? This controversy is religion based. So why can't religions just live the way they want to and space themselves apart from things they don't want to take part in? Why is it such a inconvenience when they can just turn a blind eye. Yes the books say to spread the word of there god or religion, but why impose it on people who don't want to partake in their activities. Is there something in the books that say to leave those who don't want to be a part of us (of a religion) leave them alone? To let them come on their own when they are ready to try and accept a life of those who want to be one with those above? Offer an entrance and when refused, let them see the light when they are ready.
I shall say that even though Yes religions have laws and sins and other things condemning homosexuality and marriage. We still have to separate religion and governmental law. If a religion has an opinion opposing something, does it give them the right to push the envelope so hard that a law has to be made for it? Or even against it? I know it gets kind of complex at this point because the United States of America is very much built over a somewhat Christianity foundation. But is the amendment, about religion not having a foothold in laws, being ignored? This controversy is religion based. So why can't religions just live the way they want to and space themselves apart from things they don't want to take part in? Why is it such a inconvenience when they can just turn a blind eye. Yes the books say to spread the word of there god or religion, but why impose it on people who don't want to partake in their activities. Is there something in the books that say to leave those who don't want to be a part of us (of a religion) leave them alone? To let them come on their own when they are ready to try and accept a life of those who want to be one with those above? Offer an entrance and when refused, let them see the light when they are ready.
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Personally I think it's rather disguising and vulgar and just the very thought of same sex attraction sickens me to my very stomach, but they are still people and deserve there basic rights to pursue what makes them happy so if they want to get married let them, but just don't be as public with there same sex attraction like out in public kissing and etc. Although I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children for moral reasons and mostly because in my opinion if a homosexual couple adopts a kid, the kid will grow up tortured by society  and will grow up sexually confused.
Personally I think it's rather disguising and vulgar and just the very thought of same sex attraction sickens me to my very stomach, but they are still people and deserve there basic rights to pursue what makes them happy so if they want to get married let them, but just don't be as public with there same sex attraction like out in public kissing and etc. Although I don't think they should be allowed to adopt children for moral reasons and mostly because in my opinion if a homosexual couple adopts a kid, the kid will grow up tortured by society  and will grow up sexually confused.
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Not only because I'm Christian but because gay marriage is disturbing!The people that marry there own sex  are sinning now that we are calling gay marriage Okay we are calling EVIL 'okay'.people that are gay are not only embarasing but there wrong.We are supposed to be working for the lord not for men.We need to know that God is whop we are working for.The bible does not say "Kiss men if you are a man , kiss women if you are a woman"It says to marry the opposite sex and be happy in your relationship with your wife and the lord your God and  FATHER!Gay marriage is wrong!
Not only because I'm Christian but because gay marriage is disturbing!The people that marry there own sex  are sinning now that we are calling gay marriage Okay we are calling EVIL 'okay'.people that are gay are not only embarasing but there wrong.We are supposed to be working for the lord not for men.We need to know that God is whop we are working for.The bible does not say "Kiss men if you are a man , kiss women if you are a woman"It says to marry the opposite sex and be happy in your relationship with your wife and the lord your God and  FATHER!Gay marriage is wrong!
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Divine Auroro: Do you have any proof that the child would grow up any different? It's not that hard to explain to a child. It'd be like a black family adopting a white child and having to explain it, really.

LolzDaze : See, this is where that logic fails: Laws created in the United States, whether it be on marriage or anything else, can NOT use religion as a reason. You want Gay Marriage illegal? Say something other than "God said it's wrong!" or a bigoted "Gays are disgusting!" excuse, because, as a lesbian, I find that extremely offensive.
Divine Auroro: Do you have any proof that the child would grow up any different? It's not that hard to explain to a child. It'd be like a black family adopting a white child and having to explain it, really.

LolzDaze : See, this is where that logic fails: Laws created in the United States, whether it be on marriage or anything else, can NOT use religion as a reason. You want Gay Marriage illegal? Say something other than "God said it's wrong!" or a bigoted "Gays are disgusting!" excuse, because, as a lesbian, I find that extremely offensive.
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I think that gay marriage is amazing.. And i don't see how people find it disgusting or wrong... Everyone has there own ideals.. But please at least come up with your own opinion on it rather than bringing up the bible... i respect it's your belief.... but that belief still let's you have the power of free thought and will... 

As for gay parents adopting a child... how will the child be confused sexually? Why would it make a difference.... I was bought up by a female and a male but yet I'm still bisexual.. I was educated at a Christian school for most of my life..... you people offend me... it's like you assume that the child who gets adopted loses the power of free will and thought... 
I think that gay marriage is amazing.. And i don't see how people find it disgusting or wrong... Everyone has there own ideals.. But please at least come up with your own opinion on it rather than bringing up the bible... i respect it's your belief.... but that belief still let's you have the power of free thought and will... 

As for gay parents adopting a child... how will the child be confused sexually? Why would it make a difference.... I was bought up by a female and a male but yet I'm still bisexual.. I was educated at a Christian school for most of my life..... you people offend me... it's like you assume that the child who gets adopted loses the power of free will and thought... 
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MegaRevolution1 : Yes I do, I have a friend who is raised by his mom and her girl friend and once his other friend found it out the relationship he told multiple people at school about and my friend has been made fun of ever since. It got so bad he had wanted to switch schools and one time a group of individuals tried to actually physically harm him and me and him had to fight off 2 other individuals. And also my step brother is homosexual and he is sunned by mostly his half of the family and almost all of mine. Personally I feel society isn't ready to except open homosexuality. Sorry if I got a little off topic.

Also about the sexually confused part, think about a child that has seen starting at a young age, nothing but 2 members of the same sex participating in sexual acts or intimate moments, and then when the child goes out side it sees straight couples. Then what will the child thing is the right way a couple should be, the child see other children with one male parent and one female parent and then that child has both parents members of the same sex.
MegaRevolution1 : Yes I do, I have a friend who is raised by his mom and her girl friend and once his other friend found it out the relationship he told multiple people at school about and my friend has been made fun of ever since. It got so bad he had wanted to switch schools and one time a group of individuals tried to actually physically harm him and me and him had to fight off 2 other individuals. And also my step brother is homosexual and he is sunned by mostly his half of the family and almost all of mine. Personally I feel society isn't ready to except open homosexuality. Sorry if I got a little off topic.

Also about the sexually confused part, think about a child that has seen starting at a young age, nothing but 2 members of the same sex participating in sexual acts or intimate moments, and then when the child goes out side it sees straight couples. Then what will the child thing is the right way a couple should be, the child see other children with one male parent and one female parent and then that child has both parents members of the same sex.
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Divine Aurora : Outside relations isn't what I meant. Humanity will always f+++ you over if you're different. What I'm looking for is the proof of how they end up being raised is different, not the negative effects of having gay parents.IIRC, I've even found studies showing that being raised by gay parents provides a better structure than straight, but that was a while ago and I don't have the source on that, so I apologize.

People weren't "ready" to free slaves or give women the right to vote, both something the Bible condemed. You know what happened? We did it anyways. You need that one strong push to always get rid of hatred.
Divine Aurora : Outside relations isn't what I meant. Humanity will always f+++ you over if you're different. What I'm looking for is the proof of how they end up being raised is different, not the negative effects of having gay parents.IIRC, I've even found studies showing that being raised by gay parents provides a better structure than straight, but that was a while ago and I don't have the source on that, so I apologize.

People weren't "ready" to free slaves or give women the right to vote, both something the Bible condemed. You know what happened? We did it anyways. You need that one strong push to always get rid of hatred.
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MegaRevolution1 : Well I have found  no studies that prove or disprove the theory, and furthermore I don't think any gay couple has ever adopted a child and I'm quite sure that will never change simply because of the way society views what makes a good acceptable environment for a child. I'm not really trying to fight here but I will stick to my opinion that homosexual couples should be allowed to marry but they shouldn't be allowed to adopted kids, because to me I think it would only make the adopted child miserable in society because people will out cast and scrutinize homosexual couples and the kid they would adopt would catch some of that scrutiny.  
MegaRevolution1 : Well I have found  no studies that prove or disprove the theory, and furthermore I don't think any gay couple has ever adopted a child and I'm quite sure that will never change simply because of the way society views what makes a good acceptable environment for a child. I'm not really trying to fight here but I will stick to my opinion that homosexual couples should be allowed to marry but they shouldn't be allowed to adopted kids, because to me I think it would only make the adopted child miserable in society because people will out cast and scrutinize homosexual couples and the kid they would adopt would catch some of that scrutiny.  
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Divine Aurora : In that case, we should also not allow parents adopt children of a different race. It'd make the child miserable having to live being made fun of for it, wouldn't it?
In fact, lets stop ALL parents from adopting ANY kids. I see people who get adopted being made fun of and bullied over it, so that must be the problem.

No. The problem is people being too ignorant to mind their own business and leave others alone. They're not targetting them because they have gay parents, they're targetting them because they are awful people. I was bullied through an entire year. I didn't come out about being a lesbian at that time, and the bullies didn't even know anything about me. They just saw me as weak. And that's how it'll always be, stupid excuses like "Well, they have gay parents" or "well, they're [another race]" are scapegoats used by society to get less punishment when they say it to the 'right' people.

Also, gay parents adopt children all the time, FYI.
Divine Aurora : In that case, we should also not allow parents adopt children of a different race. It'd make the child miserable having to live being made fun of for it, wouldn't it?
In fact, lets stop ALL parents from adopting ANY kids. I see people who get adopted being made fun of and bullied over it, so that must be the problem.

No. The problem is people being too ignorant to mind their own business and leave others alone. They're not targetting them because they have gay parents, they're targetting them because they are awful people. I was bullied through an entire year. I didn't come out about being a lesbian at that time, and the bullies didn't even know anything about me. They just saw me as weak. And that's how it'll always be, stupid excuses like "Well, they have gay parents" or "well, they're [another race]" are scapegoats used by society to get less punishment when they say it to the 'right' people.

Also, gay parents adopt children all the time, FYI.
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MegaRevolution1 : The problem isn't about race or anything is just the fact that no one wants to see homosexual individuals adopt a child or in a relationship simply because of moral's and well "two men who lay together should be stoned" a popular bible verse. Ultimately no matter how hard you debate or anything you say can change that fact that homosexual individuals will always be targeted and there will always be individuals who will out cast and degrade them and will always fight to keep homosexual's basic rights little to none, in addition sorry you were bullied over you sexuality that shouldn't be except able under any circumstances, but did you really expect people not to? 
MegaRevolution1 : The problem isn't about race or anything is just the fact that no one wants to see homosexual individuals adopt a child or in a relationship simply because of moral's and well "two men who lay together should be stoned" a popular bible verse. Ultimately no matter how hard you debate or anything you say can change that fact that homosexual individuals will always be targeted and there will always be individuals who will out cast and degrade them and will always fight to keep homosexual's basic rights little to none, in addition sorry you were bullied over you sexuality that shouldn't be except able under any circumstances, but did you really expect people not to? 
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Divine Aurora : I said I was bullied BEFORE I came out to anyone. And that snide little "Did you expect anyone not to" isn't very appreciated. At all.

Again, bigoted and hateful morals, and the Bible also says stuff like "Slavery is A-OK" and "Treat women as if they were below you, because they are!". Would it be right of me to treat others with disrespect because of my 'morals'? No? Then why is it ok to treat homosexuals badly? Because society has taught us to be that way?
Divine Aurora : I said I was bullied BEFORE I came out to anyone. And that snide little "Did you expect anyone not to" isn't very appreciated. At all.

Again, bigoted and hateful morals, and the Bible also says stuff like "Slavery is A-OK" and "Treat women as if they were below you, because they are!". Would it be right of me to treat others with disrespect because of my 'morals'? No? Then why is it ok to treat homosexuals badly? Because society has taught us to be that way?
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