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01-28-12 11:54 AM
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A few weeks ago I realized why we haven't had much snow.It's because the pollution in the atmosphere is destroying the ozone layer.And because the ozone layer is so thin now,the suns rays can and will prevent snow from falling.And when the ozone layer is gone it's gone and you can't bring it  back.Plus you'll live in unbearable heat until you can't take the heat anymore and just pass out.When I Realized this I was like chikusho.My top three reasons pollution is in the atmosphere are:
Styrofoam
Gas
and Litter. and if you support littering you can kuso kurae!
A few weeks ago I realized why we haven't had much snow.It's because the pollution in the atmosphere is destroying the ozone layer.And because the ozone layer is so thin now,the suns rays can and will prevent snow from falling.And when the ozone layer is gone it's gone and you can't bring it  back.Plus you'll live in unbearable heat until you can't take the heat anymore and just pass out.When I Realized this I was like chikusho.My top three reasons pollution is in the atmosphere are:
Styrofoam
Gas
and Litter. and if you support littering you can kuso kurae!
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01-28-12 01:09 PM
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Actually, the reason we haven't had much snow this winter is simply because it's a dry year. People are so short sighted, they seem to think that weather patterns can't go beyond a year, and that since it's January it should be cold, but that's not always true. Weather patterns change, and they don't always follow the exact same template. Some years it doesn't snow in January, some years there's a blizzard in January. Some years it snows for a few days, but is otherwise sunny in January. Some years it snows into June. The actions of humans have little effect on this.

In fact, a lot of people don't seem to understand that global warming is in fact a natural phenomenon. The Earth warms and cools itself on a (I think it was a) 50,000 year cycle, going through "glacial periods" and "interglacials". Currently, we are still climbing out of the last glacial maximum, and some would argue that in the future, this time period will be referred to as part of the "modern" ice age. At interglacial maximum, there will be no Arctic or Antarctic ice sheets, and even at the highest altitudes, ice, snow and glaciation will be hard to come by. This is a natural thing and has occurred at least five times in Earth's history.

Also, I have to take issue with your statement that the loss of Earth's ozone layer is causing Global Warming. The ozone layer does not really do much to keep heat OUT of the Earth. It mostly blocks harmful forms of radiation from reaching the life on our planet and destroying our DNA. But as far as keeping heat out of the atmosphere, the Ozone really plays a small part, especially compared to cloud cover, oceans, and ice sheets.

Remember kiddies: It is important to always check your sources before posting. At least go to the Wikipedia and make sure what you're saying isn't blatantly wrong.
Actually, the reason we haven't had much snow this winter is simply because it's a dry year. People are so short sighted, they seem to think that weather patterns can't go beyond a year, and that since it's January it should be cold, but that's not always true. Weather patterns change, and they don't always follow the exact same template. Some years it doesn't snow in January, some years there's a blizzard in January. Some years it snows for a few days, but is otherwise sunny in January. Some years it snows into June. The actions of humans have little effect on this.

In fact, a lot of people don't seem to understand that global warming is in fact a natural phenomenon. The Earth warms and cools itself on a (I think it was a) 50,000 year cycle, going through "glacial periods" and "interglacials". Currently, we are still climbing out of the last glacial maximum, and some would argue that in the future, this time period will be referred to as part of the "modern" ice age. At interglacial maximum, there will be no Arctic or Antarctic ice sheets, and even at the highest altitudes, ice, snow and glaciation will be hard to come by. This is a natural thing and has occurred at least five times in Earth's history.

Also, I have to take issue with your statement that the loss of Earth's ozone layer is causing Global Warming. The ozone layer does not really do much to keep heat OUT of the Earth. It mostly blocks harmful forms of radiation from reaching the life on our planet and destroying our DNA. But as far as keeping heat out of the atmosphere, the Ozone really plays a small part, especially compared to cloud cover, oceans, and ice sheets.

Remember kiddies: It is important to always check your sources before posting. At least go to the Wikipedia and make sure what you're saying isn't blatantly wrong.
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It is great to see someone so young ( it says you are 10 when I mouse over your name) have an interest in topics like this. It really gives me hope that we can correct our short comings and problems in the future.

Although I do think the ozone is important to protect as it is vital for life on a planet, I am not entirely sure that  holes in the ozone layers causes a lack of snow. To the best of my knowledge, holes in the ozone should cool down the planet as it acts like a greenhouse keeping sunlight in our atmosphere by bouncing off the ozone. This would cause less precipitation as less water evaporates to form clouds.  As most people are aware the Earth has been warming up slightly the last few decades, so maybe the ozone isn't as significant in temperature control as I might think.

With that being said, pollution whether it puts holes in the ozone or not is entirely a bad thing. There are only negative effects from pollution and it is probably the one thing everyone will agree on that we need to change. When I try to think of solutions to this problem, it occurs to me that we need to radically change aspects about our societies. What I mean by this is that moderate changes won't stop the problem, just delay or slow it down. In my opinion the solution shouldn't be about limiting our pollution but instead should be to eradicate it all together. If we just cut our pollution levels in half (which isn't going to happen anytime soon by the way) are we not just prolonging the inevitable to take twice as long to occur??

This is where my suggestion that a radical change has to happen if we want to get rid of that inevitability. It is obvious that the problem is industrialization. Look at any undeveloped civilization either current or historical. Their pollution is virtually nonexistent , aside from more natural sources like fires. So if the problem is industrialization , then the solution should be to revert (atleast partially) back to a simpler way of life that our forefathers did 300+ years ago. This in my mind is the only logical solution to ending pollution. I am not suggesting that this is going to ever happen, as I feel most first world people are contempt with their life styles and are unwilling to give up the advantages and benefits of it. I would love to hear other people's opinions about this.
It is great to see someone so young ( it says you are 10 when I mouse over your name) have an interest in topics like this. It really gives me hope that we can correct our short comings and problems in the future.

Although I do think the ozone is important to protect as it is vital for life on a planet, I am not entirely sure that  holes in the ozone layers causes a lack of snow. To the best of my knowledge, holes in the ozone should cool down the planet as it acts like a greenhouse keeping sunlight in our atmosphere by bouncing off the ozone. This would cause less precipitation as less water evaporates to form clouds.  As most people are aware the Earth has been warming up slightly the last few decades, so maybe the ozone isn't as significant in temperature control as I might think.

With that being said, pollution whether it puts holes in the ozone or not is entirely a bad thing. There are only negative effects from pollution and it is probably the one thing everyone will agree on that we need to change. When I try to think of solutions to this problem, it occurs to me that we need to radically change aspects about our societies. What I mean by this is that moderate changes won't stop the problem, just delay or slow it down. In my opinion the solution shouldn't be about limiting our pollution but instead should be to eradicate it all together. If we just cut our pollution levels in half (which isn't going to happen anytime soon by the way) are we not just prolonging the inevitable to take twice as long to occur??

This is where my suggestion that a radical change has to happen if we want to get rid of that inevitability. It is obvious that the problem is industrialization. Look at any undeveloped civilization either current or historical. Their pollution is virtually nonexistent , aside from more natural sources like fires. So if the problem is industrialization , then the solution should be to revert (atleast partially) back to a simpler way of life that our forefathers did 300+ years ago. This in my mind is the only logical solution to ending pollution. I am not suggesting that this is going to ever happen, as I feel most first world people are contempt with their life styles and are unwilling to give up the advantages and benefits of it. I would love to hear other people's opinions about this.
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Lazlo Falconi : You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Baring a few things I'll add to it, I'm really glad that someone came here who  has done some research. 

As far as the things I intend to add onto it, it is NOT that the ozone layer is thinning. It is that greenhouse gasses such as carbon (that is a huge one) is being added. Greenhouse gasses are a good thing. What it does is allows energy from the sun, and keeps some of it in. However, too much of a good thing is a bad thing, as the saying goes. The more natural greenhouse gasses, the more heat energy is not going to be allowed to leave. The increase in these gasses is causing more heat energy to stay here. One of the big ways this is happening is our high burning of fossil fuel such as oil. Carbon gas can act as a natural greenhouse gas. We have added a LOT of carbon gas by burning fossil fuels. 

Now, as for what Lazlo said that the earth heats and cools itself via very long cycles, that is true. The issue is that the heating up cycle is happening way quicker than it is naturally supposed to do. With the increase in the gasses trapping the heat in that we are putting, it is making the heat cycle hotter, and the cooling cycle hotter. There won't really be much of a cooling cycle as this continues. Though the warming process itself is natural, human activity has caused it to happen in a very unnatural way. 
Lazlo Falconi : You pretty much hit the nail on the head there. Baring a few things I'll add to it, I'm really glad that someone came here who  has done some research. 

As far as the things I intend to add onto it, it is NOT that the ozone layer is thinning. It is that greenhouse gasses such as carbon (that is a huge one) is being added. Greenhouse gasses are a good thing. What it does is allows energy from the sun, and keeps some of it in. However, too much of a good thing is a bad thing, as the saying goes. The more natural greenhouse gasses, the more heat energy is not going to be allowed to leave. The increase in these gasses is causing more heat energy to stay here. One of the big ways this is happening is our high burning of fossil fuel such as oil. Carbon gas can act as a natural greenhouse gas. We have added a LOT of carbon gas by burning fossil fuels. 

Now, as for what Lazlo said that the earth heats and cools itself via very long cycles, that is true. The issue is that the heating up cycle is happening way quicker than it is naturally supposed to do. With the increase in the gasses trapping the heat in that we are putting, it is making the heat cycle hotter, and the cooling cycle hotter. There won't really be much of a cooling cycle as this continues. Though the warming process itself is natural, human activity has caused it to happen in a very unnatural way. 
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Yeah this is the main reason why everything non-living can't survive, pollution. It sucks that pollution became an issue in our lives and yet some people don't really care. I really feel that this can be handled but it takes a while for everything to fall in place. Another thing I realized is that the greenhouse gasses are adding a little bit faster now which isn't all too bad by the way. I might not have mentioned this before but the ozone layer can also play a part to this pollution issue we're having if I'm mistaken but thats how much I know anyway....so to make along story short this issue should be resolved as soon as possible.
Yeah this is the main reason why everything non-living can't survive, pollution. It sucks that pollution became an issue in our lives and yet some people don't really care. I really feel that this can be handled but it takes a while for everything to fall in place. Another thing I realized is that the greenhouse gasses are adding a little bit faster now which isn't all too bad by the way. I might not have mentioned this before but the ozone layer can also play a part to this pollution issue we're having if I'm mistaken but thats how much I know anyway....so to make along story short this issue should be resolved as soon as possible.
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Ozone may not be directly responsible for global warming, but pollution is still a pretty bad thing, and there is far too much of it.

As for global warming, you cannot conclude that a single winter is unusually warm because of it. What you can do, however, is look at the global temperature over many years, and then a very clear trend of warming emerges. Carbon dioxide has long been known to have a dominant influence on global temperature, and the increase of carbon dioxide very nicely mirrors the increase in temperatures we have been seeing. As for the effect of the sun on temperature, it is actually rather minimal. You can read more on that here.

http://climate.nasa.gov/climatechangeFAQ/#Q10
Ozone may not be directly responsible for global warming, but pollution is still a pretty bad thing, and there is far too much of it.

As for global warming, you cannot conclude that a single winter is unusually warm because of it. What you can do, however, is look at the global temperature over many years, and then a very clear trend of warming emerges. Carbon dioxide has long been known to have a dominant influence on global temperature, and the increase of carbon dioxide very nicely mirrors the increase in temperatures we have been seeing. As for the effect of the sun on temperature, it is actually rather minimal. You can read more on that here.

http://climate.nasa.gov/climatechangeFAQ/#Q10
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