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M4fi4 Round 4 (I need one more 4)

 

01-06-12 10:31 PM
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Vote totaldramaman2

The post in which he votes for fallman offers no insight into his reasons for voting him aside from a vague reference to a point and saying that he seems to be hiding something, neither of which are concrete statements. They allow him to seem active without actually committing to anything, all the while getting on the bandwagon, voting for the person closest to death to inch them that much closer to being voted out, which is what the mafia would want.
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1. UserMike :
2. drag00n365 :
4. silverthundr : pacman1755
7. pacman1755 : totaldramaman2
8. Someone70 : Fallman7
9. kabenon007 : totaldramaman2
11. crazycatpup : Fallman7
12. mlb789 : no-vote
13. MegaRevolution1 :
14. starwars293 : pacman1755
15. noelia : no-kill
16. AuraBlaze : pacman1755
17. Fallman7 : crazycatpup
18. The Red Snifit : pacman1755
19. WarpStarFerret : pacman1755
20. pennylessz : Fallman7
21. Morsalbus :
22. totaldramaman2 : Fallman7


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Fallman7 - 4
totaldramaman2 - 2
crazycatpup - 1
pacman1755 - 5
no-vote - 1
no-kill - 1

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01-06-12 11:42 PM
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Bandwagoning based on flimsy reasoning is not only a good way to get an innocent killed, but it also offers the perfect cover for any Mafioso to get rid of an undesired player while avoiding suspicion.

Indeed, it seems that some of us are already guilty of blatant bandwagoning, so I'll second the accusation of totaldramaman2. (I could just as easily accuse another one, but we won't get anything accomplished if we all accuse different people.)


Even if he was simply joining the crowd with no ulterior motives, the less people we have bandwagoning, and the less people are inclined to bandwagon, the better.


Edit: The accusation from this post has been removed.
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01-07-12 01:31 AM
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lol Red decided to bandwagon in accusing the bandwagoner, eh?

Sorry for not posting in here for so long, I have been trying to follow along but holidays have been keeping me a bit busy. I think I'll vote no-kill for now. Not much information to go on so far, that I have actually noticed. Keeping people alive doesn't seem like a horrible idea to me. Even if you think it's a "free round" for the mafia, it also gives the sheriff and the trapper some extra time. Doctors might as well be useless until they actually meet up with the other specials, so yeah... Get on that.
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01-07-12 02:50 PM
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Really. Just really
 
I gave my honest opinion, that's all. Bandwagoning would mean I brought out the same points as someone else, which I did not do. Vote for my death as you will, and Fallman 7 just may be inocent. However, just because I voted the same as another person doesn't mean I'm bandwagoning. If I survive this night, I should have the right to accuse anybody who accuses me of bandwagoning whenever they share their opinion with another person. 

The Red Snifit : , no offense, but your bandwagoning an accusation of bandwagoning.
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... YOU KNOW A ROUND OF MAFIA IS GOING TOO FREAKING SLOW WHEN... Ugh. I think this round should have been held off until after New Year's Day. There's too little activity. Does anyone have any info on other individuals at all? I'm not even going to vote until I hear something.
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AuraBlaze : Yeah I agree. It has been a slow round, counting the possibility of the mafia group being an inactive pair, and everybody else is kind of inactive too (including me) Guess we have to wait for a little while longer.


On this note, I say this: I take back my vote and say totaldramaman2
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Well, it does seem that chatter died off. Not like many people have said anything this Day, either, especially compared to the Nights. And all of these band wagons. Let's see if I can make sense of this.

UserMike - I know you've been around a bit, but you haven't said anything except a no-kill vote Day 1. Flying under the radar?

drag00n365 - While fallman suspecting CCP for wanting the Night to end is pretty weak, I'm going to point out that CCP really kind of threw her accusation out there from nowhere, without defending it herself.

silverthundr - Oh no, I'm going to get shot in the night for using my brain! I haven't said much, either, and I don't have an excuse. So I'm making up for it.

pacman1755 - Flip-flopping votes with no real reason for it. I think you need to think a little more when you vote. Of course, you seem willing to get somebody, anybody, offed.

Someone70 - All these people not helping conversation at all. No-kill to pointless bandwagon Day 1, and then gone.

kabenon007 - Is that logic in your accusation there? That's amazing.

crazycatpup - And you don't give any reason to voting fallman, although it seems to be assumed you were using WSF's little note there. Unless you have something else to back up your accusation.

mlb789 - You made a post after the second round of summons, gave one No-Kill vote Day 1, and then disappeared. Are you trying to lie low, have you been away?

MegaRevolution1 - You've been... About as active as mlb here. Meaning I've got about as much to say about you. I also know you haven't actually had the ability to access Vizzed with your computer for a while. A late vote could come from that. I don't know for sure, though.

starwars293 - And you, you have been unable to get onto the board at all for a while. Since before the round started. I think you are probably the one who did not read their role PM, although Jake may have told you in chat one time, if you asked. If you had an active role, Jake may have skipped over you, but he may not have, since you do have access to chat. FoS for possible cause of delays.

noelia - You only gave a no-kill for Day 1. That's it. Right off the bat, instead of trying to do anything, No-kill and away.

AuraBlaze - You planned to question somebody. Did you ever get around to it? Did you get anything out of it? Also, Town tell in not knowing who the Mafia had killed?

Fallman7 - Nice OMGUS vote. Err, I mean, voting the person who accused you. With just as much evidence as she had. Not helping your case much.

The Red Snifit - Your reason for suspecting me last round can go just as much for you. As is your vote for TDM. A little hypocritical, but I don't think now is the time to push on this. FoS on you, though.

WarpStarFerret - The source of all these votes based on activity. I'm wondering, how did you come to learn of this?

pennylessz - Yeah, you never get active in these. You basically ignored my accusation, instead of doing any kind of defense at all. Too bad that's your normal play style.

Morsalbus - We're at 18. If we don't kill anyone, the Mafia can get 2 free investigations. a 1/9 chance to hit a Thug. Or 2/17, since they probably investigated Night 0. Also, the trapper doesn't get 2 traps, because they were nerfed, because of how deadly efficient Snowdeath was. As I recall, you didn't really have access near the start, but were able to get on eventually. You could be a delayed PM.

totaldramaman2 - Thank you for that completely worthless vote allowing you to become a target. I have to agree with Snifit, unsupported bandwagons are not going to help us at all.

Originally sent by legacyme3
As the mafia planned it's every move, the doctor and sheriff decided to focus their interests on who they possibly believed was a key player... and the trapper...accomplished nothing.


From this, it seems to me that ALL of the Mafia sent in their PMs, The Doctor and Sheriff got in PMs (and targeted the same person), and the TRAPPER probably did not get in a PM.

And I don't think the extra Doctor and Sheriff moves are going to make up for Mafia possibly finding the Thugs or knocking out 2 more people of their choosing.

So I'm going to go out on a limb and accuse Morsalbus Unvote.

EDIT : What. This shouldn't happen.
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01-07-12 04:53 PM
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Indeed, I was bandwagoning, and I barely tried to even justify it. Why would I do such a thing after targeting others for bandwagoning based on flimsy reasoning?

As it turns out, I was setting a trap, and pacman1755 fell right into it. (Yes, I'm changing my accusation.)


By shifting from one bandwagon to another, I was hoping to catch somebody who would bandwagon with me regardless of my hypocrisy. In fact, it was better than I had hoped, as I caught somebody who had just bandwagoned based on flimsy reasoning right before this.

pacman1755's strategy is highly suspicious and it can only hurt the side of the Bystanders. Even if he isn't a Mafia member, we need to send out the message that you have to be skeptical of every accusation that is made.

I hate to target players without solid evidence against them, but since nobody has brought up any, we have to do something. Otherwise, we'll just be sitting ducks for the Mafia.
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01-07-12 04:59 PM
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Well, that was quite a long list of accusations. No one's safe in this game, I suppose.

While it's possible that leggy's statement implied that the trapper didn't send in a PM, couldn't it also mean that the trapper just didn't get around to trapping anyone useful? That's basically the same as accomplishing nothing.
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For those who are wondering: I heard my little tidbit of information from someone not directly involved who squeaked through the grapevine and I squeezed all the little nuances I could out of it. It shouldn't be the sole basis for any accusation because the information is incomplete, but it would be nice as complimentary evidence, so use it as such.

Someone70 : On the contrary, unless I have how that position plays incorrectly in my head, even a bad trap shows what is a wrong answer, even if they didn't get anyone. (I'm making an assumption on how the Trapper position works here, but I think I'm guessing right.)

I have no real leads of my own, so I'm considering votes that seem to have some degree of sense to them. The only accusation this round that I feel is based on at least somewhat credible evidence is The Red Snifit's vote on pacman1755.

I'm voting for pacman1755. I have a suspicion or two of my own, but I have nothing concrete as of yet. The Red Snifit's accusation makes a bit more sense than any other accusation I've seen so far, and we need to start making progress on finding the mafia members before we all drop like flies.
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silverthundr : If you have noticed I almost never post that much, and I have not found a reason to post yet.  I will go ahead and say no-vote for now.
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I have but a slight reason to suspect fallman7, and if I'm wrong then well, that sucks. So my vote goes to fallman7
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silverthundr :
I voted for the crazycatpup because of several reasons not including that she blamed me to make my point I'll name the most important reason being that she posted her suspicions and even voted for me mere minutes after the results of the night round were posted either she was just waiting around for the results to come in and minding her own business or the more probable option is that she had sent in her PM and was waiting to blame someone. Doesn't it seem suspicious to post mere minutes after the results of the night round were posted?
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Fallman7 : Two things. First of all, it's not suspicious to post right away and blame someone. Most people know that posting first makes you the most suspicious so her doing that means she's either very stupid, very brave, or she actually knows what's going on.

Secondly, I feel like you're acting way too defensive about this. You keep going on about how she posted just a few minutes after, but you haven't provided any evidence as to why it can't be you who is the mafia. At this point, we just have supporting evidence that you're just part of it.

So before I forget, I'm going to make my accusation against Fallman7.
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Someone70 :
Oh forget it it's not like I'll accomplish anything so from here forth I'm keeping my mouth shut not like you'd get anything out of it. Also even if you do vote me out it's not like you'd accomplish anything. Killing a bystandard off is giving the mafia the game. So yeah I don't regret defending myself. Also someone wash your hands of my blood.
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Fallman7 : Just so you know, that's never the best way to drop out of a mafia game. Saying those things accomplish nothing and only makes us more sure of your death. If you want to go out valiantly, you would defend yourself to the end.

But, mafia or not, it seems like you're being voted out now.
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You want me to defend myself fine. I'll fight till the last vote comes in. Not like it matters but still I'll go out honorably. All it will do is stir the pot at the most.
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Fallman7 : LOL Someone70 is doing the same thing to you that she did to me in Round 1.

1. You are accused.
2. You say stuff, trying not to die.
3. Someone70 says you are too defensive and wants to kill you even more now. (Logic here being that only mafiosos actually want to stay alive?)
4. You are dead.



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The question that must be asked next, Morsalbus, is whether Someone70 was Mafia in that game. Is Someone70 behaving the same way as in said previous game?

Also, silverthundr, just curious, did you play Mafia on mafiascum.net? Or are those terms more widespread than I thought?
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