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09-17-11 06:31 AM
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JigSaw : so then,if hitler was alive,having escaped germany,it would be pointless pursuing him.
You forget one thing,home grown extremism.not every terrorist lives outwith your border,border screening wouldnt stop em.
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I would be more concerned about those who were actually killing the jews. Hitler is just a speed addict who had a doggy fetish and was good at talking and convincing people. Thats about all he is, he is not as bad as you make him out to be.

I doubt I forgot home grown terrorism. Its pointless to fight it since a majority of them reside in government agencies or in other countries. We will all be dead soon anyway so it doesn't matter who we run after or who we blame a bomb on. Our world is unfixable and I will leave it at that. Let god sort them out, it would be the smart thing to do.
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JigSaw : I dont think 'leting god sort it out' is a viable idea.for one thing now more than ever many people dont believe in god and two,that never works.i dont think god would have stopped the holocaust.i also think leaving home grown terrorists to it is an exceptionaly bad idea.most people dont fancy being killed.
As for hitler he caused the death so he is certainly a very bad guy
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"was good at talking and convincing people"

and he convinced people to do a whole lot of killing for his ideologies. That's a good description of a large majority of world leaders.

The simple fact is that a good portion of the horrible things that have happened in the world have happened because of an influential leader who inspired people to rally behind him and/or his idea. I doubt the German public and/or army would have rounded up and killed millions of Jews if it weren't for Hitler.
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Jig Saw: For the record, I never want to see you use the word "raghead" again. You don't call black people "n*****s", and you don't call Arabs "ragheads". It's a dehumanizing term and it is highly offensive.

geeogree : You are correct, the German's wouldn't have. Hitler made them a scapegoat because they many of them were bankers during the Weimar Republic (the government between WWI and WWII), and thus were the ones denying loans and collecting debts when the economy collapsed and the money became worthless (it wasn't their fault, it was squarely on the heads of France and America).
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Elara : you are the first american i have ever heard admit that usa had a hand in Causing hitlers rise.
In ww1 there were plenty jews in the army too so its blatantly obvious hitler caused it.
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thenumberone : Anyone that studies the history of that period can see were the fault lies. Technically all of the allied powers were at fault, because the main cause was the harshness of the Treaty of Versailles, though a lot of that was on France because they were really angry. Then America leads everyone down the tubes with the Great Depression, and France still won't allow the reparations payments to be altered, so Germany experiences hyperinflation. Hitler comes in and rally's people saying it's all the Jews fault, and the rest is history. Well, it's all history, but you know what I mean.

But yeah, one of the papers I had to write when I was going for my degree was about Weimar Republic Germany and how it was doomed to fail. Researching for a paper teaches you a lot of things.
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Elara : yah,i knew that too.before americas economy collapsed,germany was improving and hitler got very few votes.then the american banks demand there money back and enter hitler with his racism.its ironic that the reperations to france and britain were,at least for britain,economically damaging.it was killing britains mining industry so the debt was temporarily halted,france however happily invaded the rhineland when germany tried to stop shiping them it.
All these wars and actions were caused by the rulers,not the little guys.
If the german soldiers had been the cause as jigsaws logic would dictate,they would not have stopped fighting on christmas and socialised with the british soldiers.the leaders on both sides executed the ring leaders so clearly a huge amount of blame rests on the leaders of those who cause carry out the crimes.
I did an essay for the build up to ww2 based on the major causes,i put a lot of blame on appeasment but most on the harsh treatment of germany,such as not allowing them into the league of nations and then making them keep a far smaller army etc
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JigSaw : We all know everyone has their opinions and what-not, but I'm not one of those "Turn the other cheek" type of people. Yeah sure, Hitler himself didn't kill all those people, Osama himself didn't kill all those people. Since they are the organizers or the political leaders of those involved, then they have full responsibility of all of their thug's actions. If we shrugged off 9/11 and said, "Ah, the perpetrators are dead, let's forget about it," then Osama would have ordered thousands of more terrorist attacks all over the world. There is no shortage of volunteers, no shortage of people willing to die for his cause, so the only resolution would be to cut off the head of the snake. But as you rightly stated, he is more like a hydra, more will take his place. But if we ignored his attacks, he would sense weakness and continue.
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