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04-23-11 10:55 PM
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Something to think about:
Blaspheming God’s name means to use God’s name in vain. We know that saying “Oh my God†in a casual manner is using God’s name in vain. Because of this, many people would use the word “gosh,†“goodness†or use “OMG†while thinking about the word mentioned previously. Here’s the thing. The Webster dictionary defines “gosh†and “goodness†as a euphemism (or a substitute) for the word “God.†Other dictionaries agree with these definitions. This would mean that phrases like “oh my gosh†or “oh my goodness†are equal to “oh my God,†which means that if used in a casual manner, it is blaspheming God’s name. Now, this might not be a matter for non-Christians, but to Christians, if this is sin, we should not practice it because it is sin. I can admit that if this is true, I am guilty with the usage of “goodness†as a blasphemy, and I know that many Christian friends use the word “gosh†as a casual expression as well. So let’s discuss. If this is true, is this using God’s name in vain? Blaspheming God’s name means to use God’s name in vain. We know that saying “Oh my God†in a casual manner is using God’s name in vain. Because of this, many people would use the word “gosh,†“goodness†or use “OMG†while thinking about the word mentioned previously. Here’s the thing. The Webster dictionary defines “gosh†and “goodness†as a euphemism (or a substitute) for the word “God.†Other dictionaries agree with these definitions. This would mean that phrases like “oh my gosh†or “oh my goodness†are equal to “oh my God,†which means that if used in a casual manner, it is blaspheming God’s name. Now, this might not be a matter for non-Christians, but to Christians, if this is sin, we should not practice it because it is sin. I can admit that if this is true, I am guilty with the usage of “goodness†as a blasphemy, and I know that many Christian friends use the word “gosh†as a casual expression as well. So let’s discuss. If this is true, is this using God’s name in vain? |
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There's also "jeez" as a euphemism for Jesus, that one to me sounds more like blasphemy than gosh or goodness. Personally I don't view them as euphemisms just because a dictionary says so. If I were to say something is fouled up, it doesn't mean that I'm referencing it to be f-ed up, just 'fouled'.
I think to say that it's sinning to say gosh or goodness, or jeez, might be legalistic—but on the other hand if a Christian's conscience tells them it's sin, then it's sin to them. In other words, I think what predicates the blasphemy is if you're thinking of God when you say them. If you say gosh and you're just thinking of a negative emotion and verbalizing it, I don't see it as blasphemy. Maybe I can say gee-wiz instead, but that would just be another euphemism LOL I think to say that it's sinning to say gosh or goodness, or jeez, might be legalistic—but on the other hand if a Christian's conscience tells them it's sin, then it's sin to them. In other words, I think what predicates the blasphemy is if you're thinking of God when you say them. If you say gosh and you're just thinking of a negative emotion and verbalizing it, I don't see it as blasphemy. Maybe I can say gee-wiz instead, but that would just be another euphemism LOL |
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God is a title, not a name. His name is Jehovah. So no, I don't think gosh or goodness qualify. Not that my opinion matters in your eyes anyway. |
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Personally, I don't think "God" and "gosh" and "goodness" are equal. For one, God is just a title, as Elara said. Could a slang word for a title equal a name? It doesn't sound very probable. However, you can pull apart meanings for any and every word and find a way to define it as "bad". It just matters how you look at it. |
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I say its ok to say jeez, but I like to try to make it sound more like: cheeses; and I am ok with saying gosh, or golly, or goodness. Saying God and Jesus is sinning for anyone who cares... |
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I think it's not the actual word usage but the intent with which you use your words. If you don't say "Oh, my God!" but you say "Oh, my Gosh!" you're substituting a word for another word. The same intent is there. It's still wrong in my opinion.
It's like spelling out a mean name. Calling someone a Bee or a Bee-aye-tee-see-aitch is the same as using the word itself. You're not magically okay if you substitute something in for what you really mean. It's all about the intent. It's like spelling out a mean name. Calling someone a Bee or a Bee-aye-tee-see-aitch is the same as using the word itself. You're not magically okay if you substitute something in for what you really mean. It's all about the intent. |
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Warmaker has a good point in terms of intent with the example of curse words. Saying a substitute of a swear word does not lose the intent of you wanting to swear.
And I think God is actually one of the names of God Himself. He has many names. Jehovah is not the only name. And I think God is actually one of the names of God Himself. He has many names. Jehovah is not the only name. |
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I too would have to agree with warmaker on this subject. And I have my own scenario to add to his statement. Over the past six years, I have... subjected myself to media that endorses profanity, and I have worked a part-time job during the summer that requires me to be in contact with the public. Unfortunately, such poor language has rubbed off on me and has lead to me use such words. Earlier this year, I started using "fudge" and "sheep" in place of similar sounding four letter words with hopes to stop using profanity all together. However I have noticed that when I do use my own censorship, my intentions have not been the best. |
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DARKANINE : Well nevertheless, God does refer to himself as God - http://www.gotquestions.org/names-of-God.html; saying God as a curse word is still taking his name in vain, which is blasphemy.
I don't think saying gosh or goodness is blasphemy unless you are mentally equating it to God. I don't think saying gosh or goodness is blasphemy unless you are mentally equating it to God. |
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I do say gosh or goodness alot and If I say them in front of my aunt she freaks out cause I believe she read somewhere its better too say Pickle snappers or a fraise like that. I made up Pickle snappers just now in a second lol. I think Its a better term too use.. Instead of OH MY GOD I quote use OH MY GOODNESS .. which is better in my mind. I really do not want to start a debate about anything I just said Heads up just what I believe. |
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I think everyone's forgetting that we are all human and we are all apparently sinners. The Bible asks quite a lot. In the end, I think it's a little silly to fret over something like the use of "goodness" or "gosh". When I say "goodness" I'm not saying it because I don't want to take God's name in vain, I say it because I heard it said funny somewhere so I reference that. I didn't even realize that this was an issue until I saw this thread. Jewish people seem to do the G-d, which seems to be fine for them.
I think that if you just accept that you're bound to sin, perhaps confess, and just make sure that you follow the important lessons from the Bible, then you should feel fine. I think that if you just accept that you're bound to sin, perhaps confess, and just make sure that you follow the important lessons from the Bible, then you should feel fine. |
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NotJon : The thing is that when Christians are Christians, God makes a change in them that they would have a 180 degree flip in their lives. God brings them a new heart with new desires that whatever sin that they used to love, they now hate. And the things that they used to find disinteresting or hate about the things of God, they now desire and want more to be like Him. They would have a growth in holiness.
That being said, Christians would be sensitive if something is a sin or not. I raised this issue because there exists an explanation of why people use substitutes rather than God's name to say certain phrases. This means that there are people who would use substituting words to use God's name in vain. So it's important to talk about where the line is, because Christians do not want to sin against God. We are still struggle in sin, obviously, but it's the struggle against sin that separates the saints from the sinners, who lives a lifestyle in sin or has no faith in Christ to forgive all of your sins. That being said, Christians would be sensitive if something is a sin or not. I raised this issue because there exists an explanation of why people use substitutes rather than God's name to say certain phrases. This means that there are people who would use substituting words to use God's name in vain. So it's important to talk about where the line is, because Christians do not want to sin against God. We are still struggle in sin, obviously, but it's the struggle against sin that separates the saints from the sinners, who lives a lifestyle in sin or has no faith in Christ to forgive all of your sins. |
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These are both good points. I agree with the idea that if the person feels like they are sinning by saying gosh or goodness then it is a sin. SO if you think you are sinning stop, however, if the person is just not saying gosh or goodness just to follow the letter of the law then it is also a sin. It is only to puff up his or her own ego to tell themselves "look how good of a christian I am I won't even say gosh or goodness" We also have to think about going to far into following the letter of the law. I would say it is better to pray and ask God what he thinks about using the words in your own life. Our goal should be to follow his guidance and not our consience. |
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bcabral7 : I think you've explained in better words what I was saying.
About God's guidance instead of your conscience... since growing in my walk with Christ, I've thought that your conscience is still the same except, now it's guided by the Holy Spirit's indwelling. Does this make sense, or is that just my own perspective? About God's guidance instead of your conscience... since growing in my walk with Christ, I've thought that your conscience is still the same except, now it's guided by the Holy Spirit's indwelling. Does this make sense, or is that just my own perspective? |
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in my opinion you shouldn't use any of them and people should say WOW! or Jeez instead but that's just me :/ |
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Gosh and goodness certainly aren't blasphemy . As others like Elara have said, God is just a title or a describing word. There are many beings that are given the title of God. The name of the Israeli God that you aren't supposed to use is Yahweh or YHWH. Up until the destruction of the temple, Jews did not pronounce the name but they were allowed to write it down. This may be why most versions of the bible just use the word LORD instead.
In Exodus 3:15 you can see that his name is clearly Yahweh/YHWH and nothing else "God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations." " Like I claimed, most versions of the bible have 'the LORD' instead of YHWH. It is also notable that earlier versions would have used a hebrew word that would translate to Elohim instead of God. Elohim refers to the fact that there are mulitple Gods as the majority of religions then were polytheistic, even Jews. Why would Yahweh need to say that he was the God of Abraham and Jacob if there was only one God? Answer that and stay fashionable In Exodus 3:15 you can see that his name is clearly Yahweh/YHWH and nothing else "God said moreover to Moses, "You shall tell the children of Israel this, 'Yahweh, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is my name forever, and this is my memorial to all generations." " Like I claimed, most versions of the bible have 'the LORD' instead of YHWH. It is also notable that earlier versions would have used a hebrew word that would translate to Elohim instead of God. Elohim refers to the fact that there are mulitple Gods as the majority of religions then were polytheistic, even Jews. Why would Yahweh need to say that he was the God of Abraham and Jacob if there was only one God? Answer that and stay fashionable |
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totaldramaman2 : Yahweh is that name (well, YHWH, which apparently is a ancient form of a word meaning "to be"). Jehovah is the anglicized version of Yahweh, and the version used in the KJV. Elohim is another common title/name, as is Adonai. Based on my research in Judaism, the actual name of God is El... which basically is just a generic word for "god" and thus usually has descr |
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Elara : Awesome post, it is nice to see other people doing research into areas of religious origins and history. It is my understanding the ancient Jews/Israelites had an entire pantheon of gods until the return from Babylon when religious scripture was written into its modern form. This is why there are many words in the bible that today now are attributed to just mean Yahweh. In my opinion, the best show case of this in the bible is found simply in a few words. El Elyon today means YHWH/Yahweh/Jehova/YHVH (pick what ever one you want haha) but Elyon traditionaly means the "highest". As you pointed out El is a common word meaning "god" so El Elyon translates to the "highest God". This only makes sense if there are more than one God.
Another word you mentioned was Elohim. Obviously the root word of this is El. In Hebrew an -im suffix makes a word plural, functioning very similar to adding an -s to a word in English. So then what does Eloh mean? To put it simply it means "child of El" which again points to there being more than one god in Judaism. Of course today this just means Yahweh, or in some instances it is translated to "angels" or "those from the heavenly court". You also mentioned El Shaddai, which would mean the God Shaddai. The first mention of this in the bible, If I remember correctly, is when El Shaddai talks to Abram. Originally, Abram/Abraham was from the Akkadian/Sumerian city of Ur. In their language Shaddai or Shadu means mountain, so El Shaddai means Mountain God. In my opinion this is why Moses climbs the mountain. Aside from a few words that show that there was originally different Gods in Judaism there are still parts of the bible that suggest this. Here is one well known verse that clearly shows it. Genesis 1:26 " Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” " The use of "God" in that passage is actually "Elohim" and not"El" in the Torah. It makes much more sense when using Elohim with the definition I gave. Another word you mentioned was Elohim. Obviously the root word of this is El. In Hebrew an -im suffix makes a word plural, functioning very similar to adding an -s to a word in English. So then what does Eloh mean? To put it simply it means "child of El" which again points to there being more than one god in Judaism. Of course today this just means Yahweh, or in some instances it is translated to "angels" or "those from the heavenly court". You also mentioned El Shaddai, which would mean the God Shaddai. The first mention of this in the bible, If I remember correctly, is when El Shaddai talks to Abram. Originally, Abram/Abraham was from the Akkadian/Sumerian city of Ur. In their language Shaddai or Shadu means mountain, so El Shaddai means Mountain God. In my opinion this is why Moses climbs the mountain. Aside from a few words that show that there was originally different Gods in Judaism there are still parts of the bible that suggest this. Here is one well known verse that clearly shows it. Genesis 1:26 " Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.” " The use of "God" in that passage is actually "Elohim" and not"El" in the Torah. It makes much more sense when using Elohim with the definition I gave. |
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You're omitting key parts of scripture (especially from the Torah for this matter) resulting in this misinterpretation of multiple gods in Judaism. Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one (emphasis added). God is called many names in the Bible, and all of the names represent his character. So to say that there was a 'mountain god' is really taking the name out of context. I have limited time to spend at the computer right now so I can elaborate on this later... You're omitting key parts of scripture (especially from the Torah for this matter) resulting in this misinterpretation of multiple gods in Judaism. Deuteronomy 6:4 - "Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God, the LORD is one (emphasis added). God is called many names in the Bible, and all of the names represent his character. So to say that there was a 'mountain god' is really taking the name out of context. I have limited time to spend at the computer right now so I can elaborate on this later... |
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tRIUNE : Dueteronomy wasn't found (or written as scholars believe) until the 5th century BC. Prior to this you have two major branches of Judaism, one from the kingdom of Judah and another from the kingdom of Israel. This is part of the reason why there are many names for god in the bible, as the two tribes grew more apart so did their religions. Under the rule of King Josiah in Judah, he combined the two religions into one using the newly discovered "book of the law" (aka deuteronomy) that his preist found in the temple. If you have your bible handy, 2 Kings 23 describes the lengths that Josiah went through.
I would also suggest you read the few paragraphs that are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah#Iron_Age_Yahwism It does a decent job summarizing this transition from polytheism to monotheism. Here is a quote from it, "With the emergence of monarchy at the beginning of Iron Age II the king promoted his own family god, Yahweh, as the god of the kingdom, but beyond the royal court religion continued to be both polytheistic and family-centered, as it was also for other societies in the Ancient Near East. " It would be very similar if I denied that you believe in one god, as you deny that ancient Jews believed in multiple gods. Either one of us would be wrong. I don't mind discussing this as long as you keep an open mind and don't just out right deny a Judaic pantheon. I would also suggest you read the few paragraphs that are at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_ancient_Israel_and_Judah#Iron_Age_Yahwism It does a decent job summarizing this transition from polytheism to monotheism. Here is a quote from it, "With the emergence of monarchy at the beginning of Iron Age II the king promoted his own family god, Yahweh, as the god of the kingdom, but beyond the royal court religion continued to be both polytheistic and family-centered, as it was also for other societies in the Ancient Near East. " It would be very similar if I denied that you believe in one god, as you deny that ancient Jews believed in multiple gods. Either one of us would be wrong. I don't mind discussing this as long as you keep an open mind and don't just out right deny a Judaic pantheon. |
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I'm not denying that Jews of the Old Testament served other gods, but it wasn't their God that they were worshiping. I'm pointing out here that in Genesis where God said "Let us make..." he wasn't referring to himself as being equal to multiple gods, in all of scripture God refers to himself as being the one and only God. There are various scriptures in the Old Testament (not only the New Testament) that point to the Trinity - one God in three Persons. I'm not denying that Jews of the Old Testament served other gods, but it wasn't their God that they were worshiping. I'm pointing out here that in Genesis where God said "Let us make..." he wasn't referring to himself as being equal to multiple gods, in all of scripture God refers to himself as being the one and only God. There are various scriptures in the Old Testament (not only the New Testament) that point to the Trinity - one God in three Persons. |
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tRIUNE : I would prefer not discussing the trinity as it is completely different than polytheism. Unless you are trying to relate the trinity to polytheism by saying all the deities previously worshiped were the same god, than feel free to elaborate.
"I'm pointing out here that in Genesis where God said "Let us make..." he wasn't referring to himself as being equal to multiple gods, in all of scripture God refers to himself as being the one and only God. " How exactly is God saying "Let us" and "in our image" portraying only one God? In my opinion, the usage of us and our in that verse are there because it is basically the Sumerian/Babylonian creation myth, in which there are multiple Gods. Genesis borrows a lot from those stories and myths, like the creation in Enuma Elish or the great flood in The Epic of Gilgamesh. There is a reason why the tower of babel story takes place in Babylon ... the story was originally created there. Of course in the modern bible it is no longer dedicated to Marduk, but only one God. The point I am trying to make (and alluded to in the previous post) is that the Bible was largely edited to make Yahweh the one and only god. I am pretty sure your priest or bishop or whatever won't touch this issue with a ten foot pole, but the historical evidence is there. "I'm pointing out here that in Genesis where God said "Let us make..." he wasn't referring to himself as being equal to multiple gods, in all of scripture God refers to himself as being the one and only God. " How exactly is God saying "Let us" and "in our image" portraying only one God? In my opinion, the usage of us and our in that verse are there because it is basically the Sumerian/Babylonian creation myth, in which there are multiple Gods. Genesis borrows a lot from those stories and myths, like the creation in Enuma Elish or the great flood in The Epic of Gilgamesh. There is a reason why the tower of babel story takes place in Babylon ... the story was originally created there. Of course in the modern bible it is no longer dedicated to Marduk, but only one God. The point I am trying to make (and alluded to in the previous post) is that the Bible was largely edited to make Yahweh the one and only god. I am pretty sure your priest or bishop or whatever won't touch this issue with a ten foot pole, but the historical evidence is there. |
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Ok, you can come to these conclusions if you truly believe that the Bible was edited to something other than what God wanted us to read... but have you considered the 10 Commandments - Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before Me." He doesn't say before 'us'. That's where the Trinity is portrayed; he says in one passage 'us', then in other passages 'me'. Ok, you can come to these conclusions if you truly believe that the Bible was edited to something other than what God wanted us to read... but have you considered the 10 Commandments - Exodus 20:3 "You shall have no other gods before Me." He doesn't say before 'us'. That's where the Trinity is portrayed; he says in one passage 'us', then in other passages 'me'. |
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tRIUNE : Having read (just now as you pointed it out) Exodus 20:3 , it clearly doesn't say "us". Whether or not this was edited in some fashion I am not sure. I am looking into it and trying to match it up with a Hebrew or Aramaic version of the Torah. This is easier said than done as the books aren't structured the same in Hebrew. My initial assumption is that it is either edited or added in some time after the return from exile, when they converted to monotheism.
With that being said, I find the next few verses in Exodus 20 very interesting. 2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3 “You shall have no other gods before me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. Yes, he does say that he is "your God" and to not worship anything in the heaven above or the earth beneath, but he is not saying he is the only God. He doesn't tell the Jews not to worship other gods because they don't exist, he is telling them not to because he is jealous. So jealous in fact that he punished them by letting neighbouring countries invade, kill , and remove them from Israel. One of the reasons why I believe this is a later addition or revision to the bible is because of this punishment we find in the later books. In my mind, it is no coincidence that the idea of Israel being punished for worshiping multiple gods happens during the same time period of King Josiah and his priests enforcing monotheism. I mean if the priests went around telling the population "We suffered because we worshiped false idols" then the people would have fear and a reason to convert to monotheism. With that being said, I find the next few verses in Exodus 20 very interesting. 2 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 3 “You shall have no other gods before me. 4 “You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments. Yes, he does say that he is "your God" and to not worship anything in the heaven above or the earth beneath, but he is not saying he is the only God. He doesn't tell the Jews not to worship other gods because they don't exist, he is telling them not to because he is jealous. So jealous in fact that he punished them by letting neighbouring countries invade, kill , and remove them from Israel. One of the reasons why I believe this is a later addition or revision to the bible is because of this punishment we find in the later books. In my mind, it is no coincidence that the idea of Israel being punished for worshiping multiple gods happens during the same time period of King Josiah and his priests enforcing monotheism. I mean if the priests went around telling the population "We suffered because we worshiped false idols" then the people would have fear and a reason to convert to monotheism. |
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