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03-11-11 08:40 AM
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I was forced to remove the current chat room due to a few users finding ways to hack it. Now I'm looking into a better chat room. The current one I'm looking into is called 'Flashcoms Chat' which goes for about US $300 (features here and demo here). Since I don't have that much, I'm relying on the vizzed community to donate so that we can get a new chat room. I haven't picked out a chat room quite yet but $300 is the amount I'm aiming to raise for this since that'll be enough for most chat rooms that I'm interested in (or the cost to upgrade the current so that it is more secure).

The sooner you guys donate, the sooner we can get a new chat room up.



Current Chat Room Donations: $0 / $300
$10 - metal572


If you donate, please be sure to respond to this thread letting me know your donation was for the chat room so that I can add you to the list.
I was forced to remove the current chat room due to a few users finding ways to hack it. Now I'm looking into a better chat room. The current one I'm looking into is called 'Flashcoms Chat' which goes for about US $300 (features here and demo here). Since I don't have that much, I'm relying on the vizzed community to donate so that we can get a new chat room. I haven't picked out a chat room quite yet but $300 is the amount I'm aiming to raise for this since that'll be enough for most chat rooms that I'm interested in (or the cost to upgrade the current so that it is more secure).

The sooner you guys donate, the sooner we can get a new chat room up.



Current Chat Room Donations: $0 / $300
$10 - metal572


If you donate, please be sure to respond to this thread letting me know your donation was for the chat room so that I can add you to the list.
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(edited by Davideo7 on 03-19-11 01:25 AM)    

03-11-11 08:44 AM
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Wow, seems like a good room. I'll try really hard to plop in $25.
Wow, seems like a good room. I'll try really hard to plop in $25.
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03-11-11 09:36 AM
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I'll try to talk my mom into letting me donate she said no last time when I wanted maybe cause it's a small amount this time she might let me
I'll try to talk my mom into letting me donate she said no last time when I wanted maybe cause it's a small amount this time she might let me
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Darn i wish to donate but my mom say no unless Vizzed has their own code card... like ROBLOX and Aqw and stuff... beside, we are broke T_T
Darn i wish to donate but my mom say no unless Vizzed has their own code card... like ROBLOX and Aqw and stuff... beside, we are broke T_T
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Hey, David, should we use the Cometchat for now? if it isn't up, could you put it back up until we get the new chat?
Hey, David, should we use the Cometchat for now? if it isn't up, could you put it back up until we get the new chat?
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That is really sad that people ruin it for everyone by hacking into it. I would love to donate but I don't have the funds to do so. Hopefully you can get enough.
That is really sad that people ruin it for everyone by hacking into it. I would love to donate but I don't have the funds to do so. Hopefully you can get enough.
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03-11-11 11:10 AM
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Kaiser19 : Not going to use cometchat since there's no ability to mod it, sorry.
Kaiser19 : Not going to use cometchat since there's no ability to mod it, sorry.
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Sorry david, but I can't donate, like ever but What about IRC? Maybe we could use that until the new chat is up and ready.
Sorry david, but I can't donate, like ever but What about IRC? Maybe we could use that until the new chat is up and ready.
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dramabethie : Yesss, thanks for the hate.

The fact that I discovered it was very important; as it was easy to do, any person could do it. Thankfully, I had no evil intention. However, there are several people on Vizzed that probably do. How would you like it if you got on Vizzed one day to find out you've been IP banned for "bad chat conduct"?
dramabethie : Yesss, thanks for the hate.

The fact that I discovered it was very important; as it was easy to do, any person could do it. Thankfully, I had no evil intention. However, there are several people on Vizzed that probably do. How would you like it if you got on Vizzed one day to find out you've been IP banned for "bad chat conduct"?
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03-11-11 01:09 PM
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big fat cat : Absolutely no way I'm going with IRC, when we had that as the temp chat room when vizzed was down, it was horrible, absolute chaos.
big fat cat : Absolutely no way I'm going with IRC, when we had that as the temp chat room when vizzed was down, it was horrible, absolute chaos.
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i dont think ill be able to donate but i hope this goes well
i dont think ill be able to donate but i hope this goes well
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I'll try but I'll have to get my parents permission.But should we use an alternatate chatroom while we're trying to get money?
I'll try but I'll have to get my parents permission.But should we use an alternatate chatroom while we're trying to get money?
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Wow that's neat I saw that you can have audio and video that would be cool to bad I don't have money
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I'll try my best to get some money to help, but I doubt I could get enough for a substantial amount for it to be of much help =/ plus my parents will probably say no TT-TT But! If I do get some money and such, I'll do all I can to donate Hopefully it won't take too long.
I have a ton of games to sell, so there's a step in the right direction
I'll try my best to get some money to help, but I doubt I could get enough for a substantial amount for it to be of much help =/ plus my parents will probably say no TT-TT But! If I do get some money and such, I'll do all I can to donate Hopefully it won't take too long.
I have a ton of games to sell, so there's a step in the right direction
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soldierboi159 : There are no good alternates that are free.

icrazyforpokemon : The audio and video features cost to much extra, doubt I'll get enough for those.

MegaRevolution1 : Even a little bit helps because the way it looks right now, no one cares to donate, you would think the people who use it every day would be glad to donate
soldierboi159 : There are no good alternates that are free.

icrazyforpokemon : The audio and video features cost to much extra, doubt I'll get enough for those.

MegaRevolution1 : Even a little bit helps because the way it looks right now, no one cares to donate, you would think the people who use it every day would be glad to donate
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I'd donate, but I have no way to donate other than sending cash through the mail right now.

(I don't have a paypal or credit card, and gram won't let me use hers)

I was prepared to make a 50 dollar donation if I knew how else I could donate.
I'd donate, but I have no way to donate other than sending cash through the mail right now.

(I don't have a paypal or credit card, and gram won't let me use hers)

I was prepared to make a 50 dollar donation if I knew how else I could donate.
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Hmmm.... I was wondering why chat didn't let me in..

Sorry, but I can't... my mom won't let me, AND I'm broke because she took all of the money I got, plus I only have cash
Hmmm.... I was wondering why chat didn't let me in..

Sorry, but I can't... my mom won't let me, AND I'm broke because she took all of the money I got, plus I only have cash
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I have a few questions...
1) Which type of feature will be used? Pop-up? Embedded? Fullscreen?
2) Will it be text only?
3) Once its added, will Flash still be a requirement? (iPhones the only way I access here, and it doesn't allow flash =/)
I have a few questions...
1) Which type of feature will be used? Pop-up? Embedded? Fullscreen?
2) Will it be text only?
3) Once its added, will Flash still be a requirement? (iPhones the only way I access here, and it doesn't allow flash =/)
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wow i really want to help but i cant sorry
wow i really want to help but i cant sorry
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Looks pretty cool,even though I probably wont be using it really. I look more into it later.
Looks pretty cool,even though I probably wont be using it really. I look more into it later.
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03-11-11 05:35 PM
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The only viable option at this time is to just modify the current chat, what if you waste $300 on a new chat and septembern hacks that as well Then you'll end up taking that one down and looking for a new one.

Not sure you can expect people to pay for that though when someone can easily just chat else where for free. Donating for games is understandable but for a chatroom? I don't think so and I even doubt any of the chatters will donate. I think the chat has got too much attention lately, its a big hassle, and probably distracts people from posting. I'm sure some staff are happy now that they don't have to deal with daily reports in there

Another option is to just use the chat you made. That is just me though, you got more important features that need implementing such as new updated support for the RGR, mac support, multiplayer etc... I'd much rather you use that $300 on one of those.
The only viable option at this time is to just modify the current chat, what if you waste $300 on a new chat and septembern hacks that as well Then you'll end up taking that one down and looking for a new one.

Not sure you can expect people to pay for that though when someone can easily just chat else where for free. Donating for games is understandable but for a chatroom? I don't think so and I even doubt any of the chatters will donate. I think the chat has got too much attention lately, its a big hassle, and probably distracts people from posting. I'm sure some staff are happy now that they don't have to deal with daily reports in there

Another option is to just use the chat you made. That is just me though, you got more important features that need implementing such as new updated support for the RGR, mac support, multiplayer etc... I'd much rather you use that $300 on one of those.
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JigSaw :

I like that idea.

I ventured into chat today, not a fan. At all.

I liked the old chat (pre pro chat rooms)

It may have had no moderation options, but it got us by, and it was fun. I liked prochatrooms a little (till I found out how easy it was to exploit).

Part of the problem with new chat is that it is just bleh, 300 dollars on that? It'd be more cost effective to do IRC It may be hectic, but 300 dollars for a chat is ridiculous.

As for distracting from posting JigSaw, I have this to say, after chatting with some users, the chat room is the entire reason they do post.

I myself post, because I'm tired of chat, and without chat, I probably would stick solely to the RGR. There's not many ways to make people want to post more, since some people just don't like posting (I myself, find it to be tedious after 2000 posts.)

Anyway, I don't know about this new chat, but hey, do what you gotta do.
JigSaw :

I like that idea.

I ventured into chat today, not a fan. At all.

I liked the old chat (pre pro chat rooms)

It may have had no moderation options, but it got us by, and it was fun. I liked prochatrooms a little (till I found out how easy it was to exploit).

Part of the problem with new chat is that it is just bleh, 300 dollars on that? It'd be more cost effective to do IRC It may be hectic, but 300 dollars for a chat is ridiculous.

As for distracting from posting JigSaw, I have this to say, after chatting with some users, the chat room is the entire reason they do post.

I myself post, because I'm tired of chat, and without chat, I probably would stick solely to the RGR. There's not many ways to make people want to post more, since some people just don't like posting (I myself, find it to be tedious after 2000 posts.)

Anyway, I don't know about this new chat, but hey, do what you gotta do.
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I would donate if I could, but I can't afford to send money when I need it for College.
I would donate if I could, but I can't afford to send money when I need it for College.
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I would donate but to be honest, I can't afford to help out. I need to use my money on necessities and things that need to be paid. But I hope it goes well for you.
I would donate but to be honest, I can't afford to help out. I need to use my money on necessities and things that need to be paid. But I hope it goes well for you.
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To be honest, I do not like it at all, I cant donate anyways, but the chat room is not very good anyways. If there is a better chat room, I might be excited but I hate this one.
To be honest, I do not like it at all, I cant donate anyways, but the chat room is not very good anyways. If there is a better chat room, I might be excited but I hate this one.
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New Idea:

The entire reason the chat rooms were easy to exploit was because all you had to know was someone's user number an their username to log on as them. However, what if you made people's usernames replaced with a long line of numbers and letters? For example, instead of the URL being like "id=71642name=the_casualty" (or whatever it is) it could be "id=71642name=iohdksdh836h".

I don't know how easy or hard that would be to implement but it's an idea at least.

If you're really set on getting this chat room, I'll donate $50 or so.
New Idea:

The entire reason the chat rooms were easy to exploit was because all you had to know was someone's user number an their username to log on as them. However, what if you made people's usernames replaced with a long line of numbers and letters? For example, instead of the URL being like "id=71642name=the_casualty" (or whatever it is) it could be "id=71642name=iohdksdh836h".

I don't know how easy or hard that would be to implement but it's an idea at least.

If you're really set on getting this chat room, I'll donate $50 or so.
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MegaRevolution1 : The chat room I'm interested in is flash based. It'll be text only and probably optional popup or full screen.

legacyme3 : No way we're using the old chat room, the lack of mod powers causes to much drama. Did you dive into that chat room I posted? A ton of nice features including the ability to be in more than 1 chat room, private conversations can involve more than 1 person, you can listen to play lists that others have made while chatting or upload your own music to make your own playlist, etc.

the_casualty : That would require a lot of recoding which I currently don't have time for.
MegaRevolution1 : The chat room I'm interested in is flash based. It'll be text only and probably optional popup or full screen.

legacyme3 : No way we're using the old chat room, the lack of mod powers causes to much drama. Did you dive into that chat room I posted? A ton of nice features including the ability to be in more than 1 chat room, private conversations can involve more than 1 person, you can listen to play lists that others have made while chatting or upload your own music to make your own playlist, etc.

the_casualty : That would require a lot of recoding which I currently don't have time for.
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Yeah, I dived into it for a few hours this afternoon. It's not entirely bad, but somethings I did notice.

1. A swear filter NEEDS to be implemented as soon as you acquire it.
2. You need to force users to use their own names. I had someone (pikamander64) come in and made themself legacyme3. I'm not a fan of that.
3. I wouldn't call it needed, because anyone can fix it themself, but you should auto set the noises off, it was annoying as all hell until I found it.
4. Whispers can be seen by EVERYONE in chat, so that's a definite fix.

It seems pretty solid to me, but I don't know if it is worth 300 bucks...

That said, if I can donate, I will, because I do want to have people come online. And I do spend a lot of time on site =P

My biggest qualm with the chat is it's strangeness (at first I didn't really like the other chat that much, so I have a feeling I'd grow to like it), but it feels very different to me.

On the issue of the old chat room though, I'll argue it goes both way and that drama is unavoidable. Just like the lack of power can make people go wild, the presence of power can make people go nuts as well. Personally, I'd reccomend that if we go forward with this chatroom, that we designate a chat mod to watch the other mods in chat. Far too easily the functions can be abused.

Yeah, I dived into it for a few hours this afternoon. It's not entirely bad, but somethings I did notice.

1. A swear filter NEEDS to be implemented as soon as you acquire it.
2. You need to force users to use their own names. I had someone (pikamander64) come in and made themself legacyme3. I'm not a fan of that.
3. I wouldn't call it needed, because anyone can fix it themself, but you should auto set the noises off, it was annoying as all hell until I found it.
4. Whispers can be seen by EVERYONE in chat, so that's a definite fix.

It seems pretty solid to me, but I don't know if it is worth 300 bucks...

That said, if I can donate, I will, because I do want to have people come online. And I do spend a lot of time on site =P

My biggest qualm with the chat is it's strangeness (at first I didn't really like the other chat that much, so I have a feeling I'd grow to like it), but it feels very different to me.

On the issue of the old chat room though, I'll argue it goes both way and that drama is unavoidable. Just like the lack of power can make people go wild, the presence of power can make people go nuts as well. Personally, I'd reccomend that if we go forward with this chatroom, that we designate a chat mod to watch the other mods in chat. Far too easily the functions can be abused.

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I'll see if I can donate, no promises.

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legacyme3 :
1. Yeah it has an optional swear filter
2. I'd of course integrate it with vizzed so that you'd be logged into it with your vizzed board login
3. That's something which can easily be disabled from the admin panel

legacyme3 :
1. Yeah it has an optional swear filter
2. I'd of course integrate it with vizzed so that you'd be logged into it with your vizzed board login
3. That's something which can easily be disabled from the admin panel

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Davideo7 :

Which three is that in response to? the whispering or the sounds? =P

Either way, I'll give it a look once it arrives here, but I'm caustiously optimistic.

Do you want me to see if there's any possible way to hack into it? That's my main concern with any chatroom we get. The last one was too easily hacked, I don't think this one will be a problem, but it doesn't hurt to be safe.
Davideo7 :

Which three is that in response to? the whispering or the sounds? =P

Either way, I'll give it a look once it arrives here, but I'm caustiously optimistic.

Do you want me to see if there's any possible way to hack into it? That's my main concern with any chatroom we get. The last one was too easily hacked, I don't think this one will be a problem, but it doesn't hurt to be safe.
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legacyme3 : 1 2 and 3 are reponses to 1 2 and 3. Well you can't really try and hack it on that site since that site allows guests to chat.
legacyme3 : 1 2 and 3 are reponses to 1 2 and 3. Well you can't really try and hack it on that site since that site allows guests to chat.
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I meant when you got it put here, I have a test account I usually test things with.

I think it's fine, I'll still donate if I can find a way to (still no paypal or credit card)
I meant when you got it put here, I have a test account I usually test things with.

I think it's fine, I'll still donate if I can find a way to (still no paypal or credit card)
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I pray the new chat room goes up soon, i wanna donate but i'm broke for now
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well right now i am waiting for some cash to come in possibly soon i am not sure when at this point but when i do i might be able to afford $50.00 or so.don,t pencil me in just yet i will pm you David with the cash when i get it and i also have a Paypal account good luck David.






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well right now i am waiting for some cash to come in possibly soon i am not sure when at this point but when i do i might be able to afford $50.00 or so.don,t pencil me in just yet i will pm you David with the cash when i get it and i also have a Paypal account good luck David.






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Davideo7 : Do you think that we should hyper link (or whatever it's called) the Demo chat to replace the regular chat for now? Or is it best left untouched till its replaced? Just so it keeps the activity flowing for the time being.
Davideo7 : Do you think that we should hyper link (or whatever it's called) the Demo chat to replace the regular chat for now? Or is it best left untouched till its replaced? Just so it keeps the activity flowing for the time being.
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legacyme3 :

I know you're not as active so you probably won't read this, but I'll post anyway. Making a PayPal account is free. Also, you don't actually need a credit card. The American Express gift cards can operate as credit cards on PayPal. I've used them for Ebay. You could just buy one of those cards and connect it (as a credit card) to PayPal to donate.
legacyme3 :

I know you're not as active so you probably won't read this, but I'll post anyway. Making a PayPal account is free. Also, you don't actually need a credit card. The American Express gift cards can operate as credit cards on PayPal. I've used them for Ebay. You could just buy one of those cards and connect it (as a credit card) to PayPal to donate.
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BNuge :

Nope, not gonna read it =P

That's actually good to know. I'll look into getting one of those giftcards then, because I've wanted to donate here for a while.
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Nope, not gonna read it =P

That's actually good to know. I'll look into getting one of those giftcards then, because I've wanted to donate here for a while.
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legacyme3 : You can also mail David money. That's an alternative, just ask him about it.

Also, I don't think he'd accept international payments, which is why I can't mail him my money.
legacyme3 : You can also mail David money. That's an alternative, just ask him about it.

Also, I don't think he'd accept international payments, which is why I can't mail him my money.
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MegaRevolution1 : Keeping the chat down and not replacing it with anything until we have a permanent replacement forces people to donate. I don't want users to get comfortable with a temp chat solution.
MegaRevolution1 : Keeping the chat down and not replacing it with anything until we have a permanent replacement forces people to donate. I don't want users to get comfortable with a temp chat solution.
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Is it just me or has posting gone up after taking the chat room down?
Is it just me or has posting gone up after taking the chat room down?
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Davideo7 :

It's very possible, although I can't say.

My posting has been below par the past month, and I haven't had much to really say.

Could you check statistics for the past 2 days, compared to a 2 day spread in the VCs, and a 2 day spread in mid January?

I'm intrigued.
Davideo7 :

It's very possible, although I can't say.

My posting has been below par the past month, and I haven't had much to really say.

Could you check statistics for the past 2 days, compared to a 2 day spread in the VCs, and a 2 day spread in mid January?

I'm intrigued.
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Davideo7 :

What I'm seeing is this...

In the 2 days since chat was removed, we are averaging 482.5 posts.
In a VCS month, I took five random days, and avreraged... around 730 posts (being a VCS mind you)
And in a normal month, I used January, 5 random days 457.2 posts.

So while posting is up by about 30 posts (being a non VCS month, it's not been enough yet to notice too big a difference.

I think in a few days, we can revisit it, and see if theres an increase, but because we have a small sample size, it's hard to tell.
Davideo7 :

What I'm seeing is this...

In the 2 days since chat was removed, we are averaging 482.5 posts.
In a VCS month, I took five random days, and avreraged... around 730 posts (being a VCS mind you)
And in a normal month, I used January, 5 random days 457.2 posts.

So while posting is up by about 30 posts (being a non VCS month, it's not been enough yet to notice too big a difference.

I think in a few days, we can revisit it, and see if theres an increase, but because we have a small sample size, it's hard to tell.
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Yeah, it'd make sense that posting has gone up. Now users aren't wasting their time in the chat rooms and instead posting. I think that's a pretty good thing.
Yeah, it'd make sense that posting has gone up. Now users aren't wasting their time in the chat rooms and instead posting. I think that's a pretty good thing.
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the_casualty :

I guess. You take the good with the bad.

While there is no chat to distract from posting, some members have outright abandoned this site in search of a site with chat and a forum for now.
the_casualty :

I guess. You take the good with the bad.

While there is no chat to distract from posting, some members have outright abandoned this site in search of a site with chat and a forum for now.
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legacyme3 : Yeah, well, screw them. If users TRULY were dedicated to this site they wouldn't go somewhere else. I could care less about them.
legacyme3 : Yeah, well, screw them. If users TRULY were dedicated to this site they wouldn't go somewhere else. I could care less about them.
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the_casualty :

I try to remember.

A page view by one of them is the same as a page view by one of us.

Loyalty is nice and all, but still page views are important. I fear without chat, while posts will go up, page views might slip a bit more.
the_casualty :

I try to remember.

A page view by one of them is the same as a page view by one of us.

Loyalty is nice and all, but still page views are important. I fear without chat, while posts will go up, page views might slip a bit more.
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legacyme3 : Considering 80% or more of the users here are here for the Retro Game Room, losing 10 people who spend all day in the chat room isnt that big of a deal.
legacyme3 : Considering 80% or more of the users here are here for the Retro Game Room, losing 10 people who spend all day in the chat room isnt that big of a deal.
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