http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5jZxQEHjR-BEn1aNskVFiPtA7ZEdA?docId=N0447031296409495137A

hollow words from hollow men, they should be ashamed of themselves.

Egypt is a muslim country most of the people there want a muslim leader, how can the west have any impact on this?

of course we want freedom and the end of suffering.

but democracy? - what is democracy - are the us and uk true democracies, I think not?

we murder our convicts, we abuse our prisoners of war and torture

is this democracy?

Don't you mean "reign" over Egypt, not resign?

(Note: In this post I am not trying to offend any political party or view)
First the article was nothing about Obama besides the fact that he was for the spreading of Democracy in Egypt and was going to help in the process,

Totts : Also, for clarity, a democracy is a government for the people, by the people and with the people, the people meaning those citizens of the country. Without having an adequate criminal justice system we could not have our freedom, therefore it is right to sentence convicts. Prisoners of War are not under the definition of the people as stated in my definition of democracy and are therefore irrelevant to a perfect democracy.

We need to have concern for those around us, seeing as there is no way to become isolationists, since we have to import goods. We can't sit around and wait for history to be created, we have to make history ourselves.

We are doing something which is better than nothing. I've seen too many people rather do nothing and try to criticize anyone trying to do something *cough**cough*republicans*cough*. We have to help the world progress, we have to help shape the world rather than let the world shape us.

That's all I have to say, I welcome any questions.

Obama can go to hell why does everyone like the idiot






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I don't think we need to get involved with this mess.Our economy is bad enough as it is and with us just giving other countries our hard earned cash.

Ok, time for someone that has been paying attention to weigh in.

1) The rebellion in Egypt is because the people want to overthrown the regime of their president, who has been in power almost 30 years. They feel the government is corrupt and they want freedom and reform. They are calling for democracy. This movement was started by the poorer section of the country, but since then a major extremist group known as the Muslim Brotherhood, have joined in the protesting and it has gotten more violent since they joined it.

2) Pres Mubarak has been ruling under emergency conditions for some time, which basically means that he has been ruling under martial law.

3) Obama is walking a fine line, and he has to, as would any other president at this time. Egypt, for those of you that do not know, is America's strongest ally in the Muslim world and one of only two Arab countries that are allied with Israel and support the Israli-Palestinian Peace efforts.

4) We want to support the Egyptian people, because they are human beings and they deserve the right to freedom. However, as it has become more and more obvious that Mubarak is about to lose power, the western nations are afraid of the Muslim Brotherhood taking power and worsening the situation in the Middle East. They worry about terrorist organizations moving in.

The article you posted two was discussion the fears of western leaders about who will take over for Mubarak. A likely candidate is Mohamed ElBaradei, an Egyptian reformer who returned from exile when the protests started... but he has been out of the country for years, could he hold onto power? The article also states emphatically that neither the UK nor the US are trying to influence the choice of the next leader. Indeed, they never once said that they wished to get involved, all they are doing is suggesting a course of action that can end the violence, but it is up the the Egyptian government to act.

I don't really expect any of you to really understand why we are concerned... it would take a very long an extensive lecture on the history of Egypt and its relations to the western world, as well as its importance as a leader in the Arab world. But we do have reason to be concerned, and we do make policy of supporting democratic aspirations in other nations. Egyptian people are calling for it, we hope they get it, but we are also afraid of the involvement of a terrorist-friendly Muslim Brotherhood taking power and negating a bunch of alliances with western nations, invading Israel and potentially starting another World War.

... but sure, you go and try to blame Obama for this if that makes you feel better.

And where was giving money to Egypt ever mentioned? Honest, septembern is the only person other than me that seems to have bothered to read the article.

I understand completely what is going on and how it could affect us. Egypt is an ally, and a very important one. However, the citizens of Egypt are not citizens of the United States of America. America has its own problems right now, and asserting our influence in Egypt isn't going to help us pay back the tremendous debts that we owe right now. B. Hussein Obama needs to stop focusing on placating and brown-nosing foreign diplomats and start working on a REAL solution to our economic problems. A solution that DOESN'T involve simply printing more money than we can back up fiscally.

Egypt has a problem right now. They obviously need some help. However, the U.S. needs to step back and correct itself before leading the charge in any foreign political matters. Isn't that what the United Nations is supposed to be for?

I believe it would be very unwise for the U.S. to get involved in this matter. Ally or not, we have seen the actions brought while trying to help other countries, especially in the Muslim world. Although our country and the U.K. haven't made anything but suggestions as for the course the Egyptian government to take, with the riots and radical religious groups getting involved, I believe its just a matter of time before a choice to intervene has to be made. Based on our past, we will probably go to Egypt's aid if asked, and from that, we may have a small war on our hands.

Just more proof showing that presidents care more about other countries then the USA itself. The answer and reasons for it is quite simple, it makes us look good in the process and gives us more power. Plus we thrive on illegals and foreigners so we can eat and breath cheap while we sit on our piles of cash and get rich off their hard work. How much they make a day in Egypt? $2? That is why we are going to their aide.

America is a business, if you want me to believe your for human compassion please don't dress in a business suit & run celebrity endorsed fundraisers.

Elara : You are awesome.

icrazyforpokemon : Don't say a flame like that again or you'll probably be getting a ban It's okay to express your opinions in a logical way. Not just say something like that about a president or anyone in the power of the government, no matter what their political opinions.

I like what Celtic Uprising said. Before we engage in every one of our allies problems we should say "You know, were are your allies, but we have problems of our own and can't afford to help you at the moment, then once we get our problems sorted out THEN we can help you with yours."

Thanks, Septembern... that actually made me blush.

Wow... no one reads past the first few posts do they? We are not giving monetary aid, we are giving moral support, just like every other nation in the freaking world! No one is leading any charge, where are you people getting this? Doesn't have an effect on our debt? Of course it has a damned effect! TRADE ROUTE!!! You lose the Suez Canal, you lose BILLIONS!

And seriously? B. Hussein Obama? You think that makes you look witty, don't you? It doesn't, it makes you look prejudiced and intolerant. Sorry if you don't like hearing it, but it is the truth, and I have found that being bluntly honest is the only way to get people to think about anything in these threads. Would you say his name like that if the country wasn't primarily Muslim? No, you wouldn't. The leaders of all the other countries acting just like Obama don't have an Arabic middle name, so what do you use to make fun of them? Or what if his middle name was Herbert, would that make him act any differently? No, it wouldn't. If someone else had won the election they would be doing the exact same thing Obama is doing... if they had a brain. If they didn't, we would have been invading Egypt now and spending yet more money that we don't have. So think about that for awhile before you make your next attempt at witticism.

Elara : I was about to write down just about everything you said, then I went back and read the first few posts, and saw that you posted basically what I was going to post. So go read her post to find my stance lol. We do need to help out Egypt, as they are our strongest Muslim ally, and Obama does have to walk the line he is walking, every President we've ever had would be doing the same exact thing.

Edit: Just read on CNN that Hosni Mubarak was officially resigned. I personally think that is great news.

This is the greatest possible outcome! Watching the news coverage and seeing the cheering in the square... it honestly feels that we are seeing our generations fall of the Berlin Wall.

http://auburnpub.com/news/local/state-and-regional/article_91488aac-35ff-11e0-b102-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story



AP: Egypt President Mubarak resigns, hands power to military
Posted: Friday, February 11, 2011 11:51 am

CAIRO (AP) - Egypt's Hosni Mubarak resigned as president and handed control to the military on Friday after 29 years in power, bowing to a historic 18-day wave of pro-democracy demonstrations by hundreds of thousands. "The people ousted the president," chanted a crowd of tens of thousands outside his presidential palace in Cairo.

Several hundred thousand protesters massed in Cairo's central Tahrir Square exploded into joy, cheering and waving Egyptian flags. Fireworks, car horns and celebratory shots in the air were heard around the city of 18 million in joy after Vice President Omar Suleiman made the announcement on national TV just after nightfall.

Mubarak had sought to cling to power, handing some of his authorities to Suleiman while keeping his title. But an explosion of protests Friday rejecting the move appeared to have pushed the military into forcing him out completely. Hundreds of thousands marched throughout the day in cities across the country as soliders stood by, besieging his palace in Cairo and Alexandria and the state TV building. A governor of a southern province was forced to flee to safety in the face of protests there.

It was the biggest day of protests yet in the upheaval that began Jan. 25, growing from youth activists working on the Internet into a mass movement that tapped into widespread discontent with Mubarak's authoritarian lock on power, corruption, economic woes and widespread disparities between rich and poor.

"In these grave circumstances that the country is passing through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to leave his position as president of the republic," a grim-looking Suleiman said. "He has mandated the Armed Forces Supreme Council to run the state. God is our protector and succor."

Nobel Peace laureate Mohammed ElBaradei, whose young suporters were among the organizers of the protest movement, told The Associated Press, "This is the greatest day of my life."

"The country has been liberated after decades of repression," he said adding that he expects a "beautiful" transition of power.

Outside Mubarak's Oruba Palace in northern Cairo, women on balconies ululated with the joyous tongue-trilling used to mark weddings and births.

"Finally we are free," said Safwan Abo Stat, a 60-year-old in the crowd of protesters at the palace. "From now on anyone who is going to rule will know that these people are great."

Another, Mohammed el-Masry, weeping with joy, said he had spent the past two weeks in Tahrir before marching to the palace Friday. He was now headed back to the square to join his ecstatic colleagues. "We made it," he gasped.

seems like premature excitement to me.... sure they got rid of one dictator, but that doesn't mean that they have a true democracy or that the next person will be any better. There is still a LONG road ahead for the people of Egypt.

This is true, but it is a major step, and I think they deserve a bit of celebration.

they do for sure. I'm not saying they shouldn't be happy about this.

My point was I hope they don't get short-sighted now that Mubarak is gone. What about his closest advisers and other political figures that were part of the government? Are they stepping down as well or was it just the President? This could simply be a superficial change of control from one dictator to another.

From all the reports that I am seeing, the vice president, the cabinent, the parliament all have turned over power to the high military council. It is just the military leaders and their supreme court that remain in power. Their head of defense is currently in charge.

The Egyptians have a very long and difficult road ahead, but for now the road looks a lot brighter than it did for them yesterday. I just hope that it stays that way.

I'm a bit confused...
So handing the power over to the military was a good thing?
Is Democracy what the military leaders are striving for?

I'm worried that the citizens have gotten out of a ruler to just be ruled again by the military...

Totts : I just want to stick my nose in here, because toward the beginning of this thread it seems there was a lot of U.S. bashing - The answer to your question is no, the United States is not a democracy. We're a constitutional republic.

It's not like democracy is that great a government anyway. Sure it's "for the people," but if what "the people" want is wrong, say if a majority vote say we use nukes to wipe North Korea off the map or ban homosexual marriage (sound familiar?) a true democracy would have to go through with it.

I haven't been keeping up with the riots in Egypt, so I don't have much to say on the topic; but I have a serious problem with you saying there shouldn't be democracy in Egypt based on the mistakes of the United States of McDonald's.

no he should not