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UserMike :

Congrats! You've managed to prove... that six years ago. some backwater Wisconsin court made a ruling that sounded enough like "Atheism is a religion" to make a new article out of it. It still doesn't change a damn thing that's been said in here, and doesn't change fundamental definitions in a part or as a whole.
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Congrats! You've managed to prove... that six years ago. some backwater Wisconsin court made a ruling that sounded enough like "Atheism is a religion" to make a new article out of it. It still doesn't change a damn thing that's been said in here, and doesn't change fundamental definitions in a part or as a whole.
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apsham : Lol Honestly I didn't notice that, and I agree & disagree with the things ppl said here already more or less. lol
apsham : Lol Honestly I didn't notice that, and I agree & disagree with the things ppl said here already more or less. lol
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No, I don't think so I think athleticism is related to religion. I think it is geens
No, I don't think so I think athleticism is related to religion. I think it is geens
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every1 at my school thinks its weird I'm a atheist till I pointed out you have no proof of a god if you do you can't show it  and there fore your just believing in something that doesn't exist like the Easter bunny  or Santa  or the tooth fairy  for me for follow any religion and be forced to do something that is a law unneeded I need cold proved real hard video or personally see it
every1 at my school thinks its weird I'm a atheist till I pointed out you have no proof of a god if you do you can't show it  and there fore your just believing in something that doesn't exist like the Easter bunny  or Santa  or the tooth fairy  for me for follow any religion and be forced to do something that is a law unneeded I need cold proved real hard video or personally see it
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At the very least it's a belief system because at the moment it cannot be proven that God doesn't exist. Just like it can't be proven that He does exist(I'm agnostic. Can you tell?lol). As for if it's a religion or not; after much thought I have decided it is not a religion. There is no "church of atheism" or anything like that. They don't have leader and if they were a religion they would be a really unorganized one. Just because they are not technically religion I don't think that they should be excluded from the protection given to official religions. As I said earlier, it is a belief system and atheists should be allowed to believe what they want. Obviously the Supreme Court has decided that in the Constitution religion means believe system(at least that is how I would interpret it). If I have time I might go look up the case transcripts and see what the Justices actually thought; that should be really interesting. Luckily, even if you don't think atheist deserve to be considered a religion and get that protection; they are still protected by freedom of speech.
At the very least it's a belief system because at the moment it cannot be proven that God doesn't exist. Just like it can't be proven that He does exist(I'm agnostic. Can you tell?lol). As for if it's a religion or not; after much thought I have decided it is not a religion. There is no "church of atheism" or anything like that. They don't have leader and if they were a religion they would be a really unorganized one. Just because they are not technically religion I don't think that they should be excluded from the protection given to official religions. As I said earlier, it is a belief system and atheists should be allowed to believe what they want. Obviously the Supreme Court has decided that in the Constitution religion means believe system(at least that is how I would interpret it). If I have time I might go look up the case transcripts and see what the Justices actually thought; that should be really interesting. Luckily, even if you don't think atheist deserve to be considered a religion and get that protection; they are still protected by freedom of speech.
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I don't think that atheist is a religion, because an atheist is supposedly a person who doesn't believe a religion so why would it be its own?
I mean they could turn it into a religion but then that would kill the meaning of the word "atheist",right?
I don't think that atheist is a religion, because an atheist is supposedly a person who doesn't believe a religion so why would it be its own?
I mean they could turn it into a religion but then that would kill the meaning of the word "atheist",right?
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Lets see:
 
The best comparison is atheist is to theist as gentile is to Jew. Gentile basically means NOT Jewish. That means EVERYONE else. Atheists are defined by what they don't believe, not what they do, so that is a VERY VERY diverse group. Basically atheism isn't a relgion because there are no common characteristics beyond that.

If someone ever calls atheism a religion it just demostrates how little they understand it. There are atheist ideologies (communism would be an example of that) but these require far more than a common lack of belief in a god to define them.
Lets see:
 
The best comparison is atheist is to theist as gentile is to Jew. Gentile basically means NOT Jewish. That means EVERYONE else. Atheists are defined by what they don't believe, not what they do, so that is a VERY VERY diverse group. Basically atheism isn't a relgion because there are no common characteristics beyond that.

If someone ever calls atheism a religion it just demostrates how little they understand it. There are atheist ideologies (communism would be an example of that) but these require far more than a common lack of belief in a god to define them.
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To me it seems Atheists are more obsessed with god than Christians. They're always forcing their belief or lack thereof unto others and getting angry if they think you're a Christian. Every time I'm out I meet one of these Atheist douchebags, its like you're having this casual conversation and suddenly they feel an extreme need to include their beliefs onto you. Family Guy parodied it in an episode and it was spot on.
Out of the people I meet if they're Christian they usually don't start pushing their god upon me, but if they're atheist I'm sure to know it before the conversation ends.
On a side note, some vegetarians are also the same, they get aggrivated when they find out you enjoy eating meat.

I'm not saying all Atheists, Christians and Vegetarians are like this, but that's how I experience it.
To me it seems Atheists are more obsessed with god than Christians. They're always forcing their belief or lack thereof unto others and getting angry if they think you're a Christian. Every time I'm out I meet one of these Atheist douchebags, its like you're having this casual conversation and suddenly they feel an extreme need to include their beliefs onto you. Family Guy parodied it in an episode and it was spot on.
Out of the people I meet if they're Christian they usually don't start pushing their god upon me, but if they're atheist I'm sure to know it before the conversation ends.
On a side note, some vegetarians are also the same, they get aggrivated when they find out you enjoy eating meat.

I'm not saying all Atheists, Christians and Vegetarians are like this, but that's how I experience it.
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irleejun : to me thats how most christians appear, with the pleasant exception of vizzed.
Theres plenty proof in countrys like south america and africa of real forcing of views on people.
You get abusive people in any belief group,the problem iv found with most religious groups is theyre determined to say what they believe,fair enough,but refuse to listen to your counter argument,if i listen to you,you have to listen to me,ya know.
Thats a tangent though, you should swing for the question,is atheism religion.
irleejun : to me thats how most christians appear, with the pleasant exception of vizzed.
Theres plenty proof in countrys like south america and africa of real forcing of views on people.
You get abusive people in any belief group,the problem iv found with most religious groups is theyre determined to say what they believe,fair enough,but refuse to listen to your counter argument,if i listen to you,you have to listen to me,ya know.
Thats a tangent though, you should swing for the question,is atheism religion.
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Nope, its not a religion per se, for it to be a religion there would have to be belief of a greater power than yourself. Theres nothing as such with Atheism, all they beleive is evolution and that's it. So I wouldn't call it a religion.
Me for my part am an Agnostic and I say screw both sides, neither can prove the other wrong so why even bother?
Nope, its not a religion per se, for it to be a religion there would have to be belief of a greater power than yourself. Theres nothing as such with Atheism, all they beleive is evolution and that's it. So I wouldn't call it a religion.
Me for my part am an Agnostic and I say screw both sides, neither can prove the other wrong so why even bother?
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irleejun : [F]or it [atheism] to be a religion there would have to be belief of a greater power than yourself." I disagree with that. My definition of religion can be found on Dictionary.com as shown below.

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Take notice of the use of the words "especially," "usually," and "often." The use of these words mean that religion typically involves superhuman agency or agencies, ritual observances, and a moral code; however, they are not required for a set of beliefs to be a religion. By this understanding, Atheism is a religion that denies there is any superhuman agency, it does not involve ritual observances, nor does it require a moral code.

"[N]either can prove the other wrong so why even bother?" The very fact that neither side has been proven should be the very reason people of all religions should get into friendly discussions. We all want to find out what is the truth, so it essentially becomes mandatory for us find out whether or not we are correct in our beliefs.
irleejun : [F]or it [atheism] to be a religion there would have to be belief of a greater power than yourself." I disagree with that. My definition of religion can be found on Dictionary.com as shown below.

1. a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.

Take notice of the use of the words "especially," "usually," and "often." The use of these words mean that religion typically involves superhuman agency or agencies, ritual observances, and a moral code; however, they are not required for a set of beliefs to be a religion. By this understanding, Atheism is a religion that denies there is any superhuman agency, it does not involve ritual observances, nor does it require a moral code.

"[N]either can prove the other wrong so why even bother?" The very fact that neither side has been proven should be the very reason people of all religions should get into friendly discussions. We all want to find out what is the truth, so it essentially becomes mandatory for us find out whether or not we are correct in our beliefs.
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AuraBlaze : not so. A religion has principal beliefs, atheism is just a common disbelief.
AuraBlaze : not so. A religion has principal beliefs, atheism is just a common disbelief.
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AuraBlaze : Its pointless to get into arguments over religion, there's no such thing as a friendly discussion with Atheists and Christians since their beliefs are direct opposites. It all just ends up as: "HURR DURR YOU CANNOT PROVE BIBLE IS WRONG!" vs "HURR DURR YOU CANNOT PROVE BIBLE IS RIGHT!"
What's the point? Unless you have scientific proof of either side being right I say don't even bother saying anything.
AuraBlaze : Its pointless to get into arguments over religion, there's no such thing as a friendly discussion with Atheists and Christians since their beliefs are direct opposites. It all just ends up as: "HURR DURR YOU CANNOT PROVE BIBLE IS WRONG!" vs "HURR DURR YOU CANNOT PROVE BIBLE IS RIGHT!"
What's the point? Unless you have scientific proof of either side being right I say don't even bother saying anything.
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Opinion = Belief
Belief = Religion
Religion = War
War = Death
Death = END OF DISCUSSION

You can't win a religious debate unless you:

- Program every sheep in this world
- Kill every sheep in this world

Until then, the most you can expect from a threaded discussion is foam at the mouth like a rabid dog.
Opinion = Belief
Belief = Religion
Religion = War
War = Death
Death = END OF DISCUSSION

You can't win a religious debate unless you:

- Program every sheep in this world
- Kill every sheep in this world

Until then, the most you can expect from a threaded discussion is foam at the mouth like a rabid dog.
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irleejun : If by "argument" you mean quarrel then you are right; however, an argument is not a quarrel. That notion is a misconception. A real argument is more like a debate; people will strongly disagree with each other, but they will remain respectful about it. Are there Christians and Atheists who go pointing fingers and laughing at the other perspective? Yes. I think of it like this. "Every set of village people has a village idiot." Every group of people who believe something specific will have at least one person making the rest of them look like morons.

Now about the scientific proof, I do not believe there ever can be scientific proof of God's existence. Why? Because "science" is created by man. You could counter that by saying the Bible was written by man therefore it is flawed and, therefore, invalid. However, I respond to that with the reason that the Bible was God's Word spoken through man. Believing that God is real is a matter of faith, but science can provide evidence to support that belief.

JigSaw : What is your evidence? The holy wars that were fought in the middle ages through the Reformation and the Jihad that the Muslim extremists have sworn against the West? All there are when people their their beliefs too far thinking that persecuting others somehow win them over. Not all wars were fought for religious reasons. We know better now than to go crate wars just because we don't see eye to eye.
irleejun : If by "argument" you mean quarrel then you are right; however, an argument is not a quarrel. That notion is a misconception. A real argument is more like a debate; people will strongly disagree with each other, but they will remain respectful about it. Are there Christians and Atheists who go pointing fingers and laughing at the other perspective? Yes. I think of it like this. "Every set of village people has a village idiot." Every group of people who believe something specific will have at least one person making the rest of them look like morons.

Now about the scientific proof, I do not believe there ever can be scientific proof of God's existence. Why? Because "science" is created by man. You could counter that by saying the Bible was written by man therefore it is flawed and, therefore, invalid. However, I respond to that with the reason that the Bible was God's Word spoken through man. Believing that God is real is a matter of faith, but science can provide evidence to support that belief.

JigSaw : What is your evidence? The holy wars that were fought in the middle ages through the Reformation and the Jihad that the Muslim extremists have sworn against the West? All there are when people their their beliefs too far thinking that persecuting others somehow win them over. Not all wars were fought for religious reasons. We know better now than to go crate wars just because we don't see eye to eye.
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Who really cares?

It may be considered a religion by some and not by others... It's just simple human nature.

My input may not actually be of any use. But people believe in anything from being scared of weird objects (phobias) to Believing certain religions or beliefs.

In this day and age people just seem to pick traits from certain religions that suit them. E.G Atheists who celebrate Christmas.
Who really cares?

It may be considered a religion by some and not by others... It's just simple human nature.

My input may not actually be of any use. But people believe in anything from being scared of weird objects (phobias) to Believing certain religions or beliefs.

In this day and age people just seem to pick traits from certain religions that suit them. E.G Atheists who celebrate Christmas.
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How many wars have we fought against people with different religions, different races, different beliefs? There is my proof You can't have a war unless you got a difference of opinion.
How many wars have we fought against people with different religions, different races, different beliefs? There is my proof You can't have a war unless you got a difference of opinion.
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When you look at the big picture it sure looks like religion only causes wars and terror. But if you look at it from another perspective. It helps millions of people get through the day knowing they have a higher power they can rely on.
I still think Atheism is not a religion, its more a lack of religion.
When you look at the big picture it sure looks like religion only causes wars and terror. But if you look at it from another perspective. It helps millions of people get through the day knowing they have a higher power they can rely on.
I still think Atheism is not a religion, its more a lack of religion.
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irleejun : You mentioned earlier how atheism is not a religion because it has no belief in a higher power. Do you consider Buddhism a religion, even though they reject the idea of creator and do not believe in any kind of deity? 
irleejun : You mentioned earlier how atheism is not a religion because it has no belief in a higher power. Do you consider Buddhism a religion, even though they reject the idea of creator and do not believe in any kind of deity? 
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You could argue that they believe in a higher deity since they believe in an "awakened one" .
The same could be said about karma, its something you cannot control that will punish you if you cause harm/pain onto others.
So I'd consider it a religion yes.
You could argue that they believe in a higher deity since they believe in an "awakened one" .
The same could be said about karma, its something you cannot control that will punish you if you cause harm/pain onto others.
So I'd consider it a religion yes.
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