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08-27-10 03:47 PM
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With the rise of the Tea Party Movement, and the constant tension between Democrats, Conservatives, Republicans, and other social and political parties, it begs the question will this tension build up into a civil war. I mean we can't say it won't but, isn't it a possibility it could happen. |
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I don't think it's likely to be a full fledged civil war.
What I personally do see is a backlash by the states against the federal government. The federal government seems to be slowly growing in it's power and influence and I think the only recourse most people see at this point is to use the state governments power to fight back. I don't think the problem can be fixed or fought at a federal level anymore. It's too entrenched on both sides. I could see it becoming so bad that some states even attempt to leave the country and become their own "country" of sorts.... or even a group of states doing that. What I personally do see is a backlash by the states against the federal government. The federal government seems to be slowly growing in it's power and influence and I think the only recourse most people see at this point is to use the state governments power to fight back. I don't think the problem can be fixed or fought at a federal level anymore. It's too entrenched on both sides. I could see it becoming so bad that some states even attempt to leave the country and become their own "country" of sorts.... or even a group of states doing that. |
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I don't think it will be as huge as our first civil war, but it is going to happen in some form. It will be enough to throw the country off-balance for a while, however. The possibility of succession is real. Most of the military and intelligence agencies will be against the national government. |
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Civil war wont happen, cause we are all to fat and lazy to bother disagreeing with each other enough to cause war. |
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Civil war, always possible but not likely. If there were as many liberals as conservatives, than it would be more possible. |
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It wont happen on a big scale because every one is divided in this country. And thats the way they like it. |
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It won't happen. It wouldn't make any sense to fight over some laws or who the President is, Fighting over slavery made some sense. |
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No don't think it will happen, for one most Americans are liberal, second of all it's not like this is the first time there have been strong tensions between the political parties.
Videogamegod : Actually that was only a part of what the war was about, the main issue was the south felt they weren't being represented properly. Videogamegod : Actually that was only a part of what the war was about, the main issue was the south felt they weren't being represented properly. |
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I don't think another Civil War here in the United States would happen either. |
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Namrea : Totally agree with you.
Us Americans are too fat, lazy and content to have a civil war of any kind. So many people complain about the state of affairs in America, but of everyone you've met who complains, how many people actually do anything about it? I personally know one person who used to try to change it. He ended up giving up. Everyone whines, no one does anything about it. No one will fight. We have out TV and our TV dinners. What more do we need? Us Americans are too fat, lazy and content to have a civil war of any kind. So many people complain about the state of affairs in America, but of everyone you've met who complains, how many people actually do anything about it? I personally know one person who used to try to change it. He ended up giving up. Everyone whines, no one does anything about it. No one will fight. We have out TV and our TV dinners. What more do we need? |
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No, I don't believe we will have another civil war. 1. The line dividing republicans and democrats have tension but there's not enough tension to actually start another civil war. 2. Just like Namrea and flamingfuzzy, I agree that we Americans are too lazy to do anything abobut it. |
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I don't think so. If it's any kind of war it will probably be more passive-aggressive than full on war. I kind of doubt any kind of civil war will happen between us though. |
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Politics is all a game. Being the President is so alluring because what status symbol is greater than that? The people in the government are nowhere near as tense as most Americans tend to assume. Besides, there's already two wars that we're in that few still want a part in. If we don't want to send troops overseas, how would we feel about fighting each other here? Frankly, Americans are too uninformed to do much of anything (outside of creating the Tea Party). It's not good ideas or well conceived arguments that made the Tea Party last this long, it's that anger and ignorance to what is actually happening in this country are easily exploited. A civil war would require too much effort and real awareness to happen at this time. Remember, you can boil a frog gradually and he won't even know what hit him. |
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I don't think we will have another Civil War and lol at "cause we are all to fat and lazy to bother disagreeing with each other enough to cause war." |
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Unlikely. Tension has been like this for quite a while. While the Tea Party movement has been quite errmm... lets just say revolutionary, to appease the members of that party, it's nothing like the tension that led up to the Civil War in the 19th Century. The only war will be the war of politics, and that has been going on long before the Tea Party movement. |
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It's very possible. History is full of examples of huge wars breaking out between two sides that hate each other with essentially the same beliefs that differ minutely (see: Democrats and Republicans)
I all depends on how American propaganda progresses. I all depends on how American propaganda progresses. |
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I don't think so. After what happened in the 1800's it's safe to say that won't happen again. |
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Yeah I really don't see that happening over something like that. If it does my respect level for humanity will drop....even lower lol. |
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It kinda be like a cold war but without the nuclear bombs and stuff. |
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I think this is very likely beacuse of all are diffrences. The media trys to make us diffrent. The sepperations of Demacrats and Republicans, Nerds and Jocks, Liberal cosevitive, and all the other races an religion. With all the crap going on and is about to happen, war is inevitable. |
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I think there's actually a pretty high chance for a second revolution to occur. Yes, we've been dealing with the same *expletive* for years; but now tensions are higher due to tea party fear mongering, internet flame wars, and a vast gap in the differences in political party beliefs.
Americans, while having grown fat and lazy (However, the fat part is largely due to a bit of numerical screw ups by the FDA (See the movie 'Fat Head' to get it)), this doesn't mean some nutjob won't get off his *Three letter expletive* and decide to go out and kill every right or left wing politician who disagrees with him, to answer FlamingFuzzy's question of who would actually do anything. Even the non-psychopathic ones can represent a significant level of danger via the internet, by creating websites and posting to internet forums viewed by other important people. Also, keep in mind the Civil War was started as political war that stirred and grew into a behemoth of an issue. To the argument that we won't fight amongst ourselves because we're fighting others overseas, this is also just plain wrong. If a revolutionary war occurs for the 2nd time, who said we'd use our own soldiers to do the fighting? Back in the first revolutionary war, we used ANYONE who was smart enough to know that pulling the curved bit of metal produced an explosion and death (Cept' women, due to gender stereotypes). With the argument that each state has too many differences to rally and do something, the number of differences in each state tends to actually be irrelevant to if they join forces or not. Look at the multi-party systems in most countries, where there are no main parties, but instead,a bunch of equally-treated parties with their own beliefs. In any Civics & Economics class, you're bound to learn that essentially nothing gets done because everyone takes the "Vote for yourself" route. So, these parties, sometimes with only one or two minor similarities form a coalition and try to keep it running through a set course of time, or until one of the major differences rears its head and shatters everything. However, the differences is that Northern North America and Southern North America (Judged using the bible belt and the Mason-Dixie line) Tend to have similarities in belief that are almost exact. But say there's a large group of Northerners living in the south at the time everything starts to go down? They'll probably do what Northern folks did when the first Civil War happened, and uproot themselves to head north. For the argument that we are all too ignorant to start a war with our own kinsmen, this could actually be a reason FOR starting a second Civil War if it weren't completely wrong. We live in the advent of the internet, a time where a google or Yahoo search can yield enough information to rival every library in the US. Even if you find 200 sites where the info is statistically and informational BS, you can find another 200 sites telling you why the info on the first 200 sites is wrong. Looking for info on the Tea party, but don't want Liberal Biases and Right wing biases messing with your data? Simply search for a couple different third party publications instead, it's amazing what you can find. As for how it could actually spark the war, let me quote my Kendo Sensei here, "It doesn't matter how many years of training you have [in Kendo], if you go up against an ignorant person holding a sword, he can be every bit as dangerous as a trained warrior because you have no clue what he's going to do with that sword, and where he might try and strike you". I think this quote can hold true with ignorants everywhere. Especially the part about not knowing what they might do, because they tend to be a bit on the unpredictable side. Lets say Nutjob A reads some info online without fully understanding it and creates a website trying to rally others around his view (Thus making him Ignorant Nutjob A1, or INJA1). INJA1s info spreads quicker than expected because a whole lotta relatively quiet INJAs read the info and start spewing it everywhere. Lazy people who don't want to fact check the inaccurate data assume it as truth, and you have a third party formed essentially full of people like INJAs 1-200,000. Americans, while having grown fat and lazy (However, the fat part is largely due to a bit of numerical screw ups by the FDA (See the movie 'Fat Head' to get it)), this doesn't mean some nutjob won't get off his *Three letter expletive* and decide to go out and kill every right or left wing politician who disagrees with him, to answer FlamingFuzzy's question of who would actually do anything. Even the non-psychopathic ones can represent a significant level of danger via the internet, by creating websites and posting to internet forums viewed by other important people. Also, keep in mind the Civil War was started as political war that stirred and grew into a behemoth of an issue. To the argument that we won't fight amongst ourselves because we're fighting others overseas, this is also just plain wrong. If a revolutionary war occurs for the 2nd time, who said we'd use our own soldiers to do the fighting? Back in the first revolutionary war, we used ANYONE who was smart enough to know that pulling the curved bit of metal produced an explosion and death (Cept' women, due to gender stereotypes). With the argument that each state has too many differences to rally and do something, the number of differences in each state tends to actually be irrelevant to if they join forces or not. Look at the multi-party systems in most countries, where there are no main parties, but instead,a bunch of equally-treated parties with their own beliefs. In any Civics & Economics class, you're bound to learn that essentially nothing gets done because everyone takes the "Vote for yourself" route. So, these parties, sometimes with only one or two minor similarities form a coalition and try to keep it running through a set course of time, or until one of the major differences rears its head and shatters everything. However, the differences is that Northern North America and Southern North America (Judged using the bible belt and the Mason-Dixie line) Tend to have similarities in belief that are almost exact. But say there's a large group of Northerners living in the south at the time everything starts to go down? They'll probably do what Northern folks did when the first Civil War happened, and uproot themselves to head north. For the argument that we are all too ignorant to start a war with our own kinsmen, this could actually be a reason FOR starting a second Civil War if it weren't completely wrong. We live in the advent of the internet, a time where a google or Yahoo search can yield enough information to rival every library in the US. Even if you find 200 sites where the info is statistically and informational BS, you can find another 200 sites telling you why the info on the first 200 sites is wrong. Looking for info on the Tea party, but don't want Liberal Biases and Right wing biases messing with your data? Simply search for a couple different third party publications instead, it's amazing what you can find. As for how it could actually spark the war, let me quote my Kendo Sensei here, "It doesn't matter how many years of training you have [in Kendo], if you go up against an ignorant person holding a sword, he can be every bit as dangerous as a trained warrior because you have no clue what he's going to do with that sword, and where he might try and strike you". I think this quote can hold true with ignorants everywhere. Especially the part about not knowing what they might do, because they tend to be a bit on the unpredictable side. Lets say Nutjob A reads some info online without fully understanding it and creates a website trying to rally others around his view (Thus making him Ignorant Nutjob A1, or INJA1). INJA1s info spreads quicker than expected because a whole lotta relatively quiet INJAs read the info and start spewing it everywhere. Lazy people who don't want to fact check the inaccurate data assume it as truth, and you have a third party formed essentially full of people like INJAs 1-200,000. |
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It's interesting that Obama was supposed to unite the country and bring us all together. He was awarded a Nobel Peace prize, but we have northern Africa fighting civil wars, Middle Eastern countries uprising, and the biggest gap between liberal and conservative I've seen in my 30 some years.
Where's your peace now, Mr. President? Saying that, there will not be a civil war in the U.S. for many, many years. I think it would take a dictatorship and the complete control of government over every facet of life before that happens. 1. Outlawed fats in food. 2. Forced health care with no options 3. Welfare state that supports everything with everything.... Maybe we are headed to civil war. I like my freedoms, I'd fight an oppresive regime. Where's your peace now, Mr. President? Saying that, there will not be a civil war in the U.S. for many, many years. I think it would take a dictatorship and the complete control of government over every facet of life before that happens. 1. Outlawed fats in food. 2. Forced health care with no options 3. Welfare state that supports everything with everything.... Maybe we are headed to civil war. I like my freedoms, I'd fight an oppresive regime. |
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@warmaker,
Ok, A) Obama is the US PRESIDENT! True, he has SOME responsibility over overseas affairs, but it's very minute. The things that have been happening overseas were caused by THEIR government regulations and their citizens. We had/have very slight influence with what happens with them. B) The gap between Liberals and Conservatives is bigger now, but the issues haven't changed in a while. Conservatives are still upset over abortion and are still accusing every Liberal of being a communist, while the Liberals are still complaining that the Right is too heavily influenced by Christianity and calling every right-winger a fascist. C) Outlawed fats in food? When did this happen? I see that McDonalds is still frying stuff in their greasy golden mess, my steaks still have a nice equilibrium of fat and meat, and last time I checked, my sausages were still a sickly gray from the copious amounts of pig fat mixed in with the small intestines, stomach, and other organs found inside the casing of a large intestine. If you're talking about TRANS fats being banned, then be more specific about it, but even then, haven't trans fats been proven to lead to heart attacks? You're complaining about the government protecting you from heart attacks? D) The health care isn't forced unless you can't afford any of the big name health insurance names. It means that you're covered, even if you can't afford Red Cross, Blue Shield. E) Welfare that supports everything with everything? Does this mean I can finally have my albino Giraffes cancer treated by paying the doctors with jellybeans? Or that I can ask the government for a cash handout when I'm making millions of dollars per day? Unless your answer is yes, than I suggest you rephrase that statement a little better and with fewer generalities. Ok, A) Obama is the US PRESIDENT! True, he has SOME responsibility over overseas affairs, but it's very minute. The things that have been happening overseas were caused by THEIR government regulations and their citizens. We had/have very slight influence with what happens with them. B) The gap between Liberals and Conservatives is bigger now, but the issues haven't changed in a while. Conservatives are still upset over abortion and are still accusing every Liberal of being a communist, while the Liberals are still complaining that the Right is too heavily influenced by Christianity and calling every right-winger a fascist. C) Outlawed fats in food? When did this happen? I see that McDonalds is still frying stuff in their greasy golden mess, my steaks still have a nice equilibrium of fat and meat, and last time I checked, my sausages were still a sickly gray from the copious amounts of pig fat mixed in with the small intestines, stomach, and other organs found inside the casing of a large intestine. If you're talking about TRANS fats being banned, then be more specific about it, but even then, haven't trans fats been proven to lead to heart attacks? You're complaining about the government protecting you from heart attacks? D) The health care isn't forced unless you can't afford any of the big name health insurance names. It means that you're covered, even if you can't afford Red Cross, Blue Shield. E) Welfare that supports everything with everything? Does this mean I can finally have my albino Giraffes cancer treated by paying the doctors with jellybeans? Or that I can ask the government for a cash handout when I'm making millions of dollars per day? Unless your answer is yes, than I suggest you rephrase that statement a little better and with fewer generalities. |
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flamingfuzzy : Your stereotypical views on Americans make you seem like a very sad human being. I could easily create some sort of stupid stereotype for anyone. Egyptians are too uneducated to run a country. Arabs are all terrorists. Russians are just back stabbing pigs. Hurts doesn't it? Now I suggest you pretend to know what you're talking about elsewhere. You claim you're an American, but you must live under a rock to think that. Look at our military, how can you call one of the greatest armed forces of all time fat and lazy? How can you claim we never do anything? |
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Agreed. People need to correct their stereotypical views these days. Especially with documentaries like "Fathead" out there to correct all the inaccuracies and flaws with them. People are too blind or lazy apparently to go out and do the research to see what's wrong with statements like "All Americans are fat and lazy". However, I do believe this strays from the original topic at hand on whether or not America has any possibility of going into a second Civil War. Also, you forgot to call all Irishmen fat, lazy, violent, redhead drunks. Back on topic, I'd also like to add that we are currently at similar situations of the original Civil War. Except instead of slavery, we have human trafficking to deal with. Agreed. People need to correct their stereotypical views these days. Especially with documentaries like "Fathead" out there to correct all the inaccuracies and flaws with them. People are too blind or lazy apparently to go out and do the research to see what's wrong with statements like "All Americans are fat and lazy". However, I do believe this strays from the original topic at hand on whether or not America has any possibility of going into a second Civil War. Also, you forgot to call all Irishmen fat, lazy, violent, redhead drunks. Back on topic, I'd also like to add that we are currently at similar situations of the original Civil War. Except instead of slavery, we have human trafficking to deal with. |
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all i can say is :no, it wont happen |
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In this modern age I do not think that will ever happen again. But more likely it will be something for widespread, and more catastrophic due to modern weapons/technology. |
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geeogree : I agree with you but because of our first Civil war the federal government has made it a crime to succeed from the union.
I do on the other hand think that it could happen, but if it doesn't Our federal government as we know it will collapse much like russia did in the early 80s. Now what that might mean for our country is we would all become our own country and Anarchy would ensue, well to some extent at least. I hope this never happens cause i love this country but people dont understand the term compromise anymore like our founding fathers did, Red vs Blue it seems will exist till our government collapses and at that point what happens is socialism even though some would state that we are already a social republic. If it came down to it i will exercise my right to bear arms and defend my land agains the federal government. I do on the other hand think that it could happen, but if it doesn't Our federal government as we know it will collapse much like russia did in the early 80s. Now what that might mean for our country is we would all become our own country and Anarchy would ensue, well to some extent at least. I hope this never happens cause i love this country but people dont understand the term compromise anymore like our founding fathers did, Red vs Blue it seems will exist till our government collapses and at that point what happens is socialism even though some would state that we are already a social republic. If it came down to it i will exercise my right to bear arms and defend my land agains the federal government. |
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