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02-02-11 11:40 AM
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kingnahum17 : Back on topic. If that is how you are going to define what is alive or not, then where do you draw the line? Meaning, when is it considered "developed"?
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kingnahum17 : Back on topic. If that is how you are going to define what is alive or not, then where do you draw the line? Meaning, when is it considered "developed"?
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Abortion is always bad, and it usually stems from the immense irresponsibility of teenage mothers that a child has to die from their mistakes......
Abortion is always bad, and it usually stems from the immense irresponsibility of teenage mothers that a child has to die from their mistakes......
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play4fun : Well if I had to draw a line, I might draw it when the time came. But I don't. And seriously, there will be a whole lot of people would be mad if a bunch of Anti-Abortion freaks made the government change the law to fit their minorities thoughts.

So I believe in common sense, and if someone wants to abort their child, then I say "Viva Abortion!" If they do not, well don't do it. Simple.

If you really must have a reason for my reasoning making sense, then here's an example.
You are about to have a baby, but are the poorest person ever (theoretically). You have enough money for the abortion thing, but only enough after that for nothing but food for only two people. What would you do? Make the baby and you two suffer for the rest of your lives (maybe even die a painful death) until it can leave you and be on it's own while, or just do the thing and save atleast the two of you.

Knowing how it's worse to suffer than it is to die outright before you feel the immense pain of life, I would have to say, saving two and both having good lives and killing one is better than having a miniscule chance of all three living and not all dying.

Peace out dudes and dudettes. I'm done arguing here. I just hope people eventually realize that they can not change other's opinions on such a subject and be done with it (not that I have anything against arguing a given subject when needed ). Common sense is where I draw the line.
play4fun : Well if I had to draw a line, I might draw it when the time came. But I don't. And seriously, there will be a whole lot of people would be mad if a bunch of Anti-Abortion freaks made the government change the law to fit their minorities thoughts.

So I believe in common sense, and if someone wants to abort their child, then I say "Viva Abortion!" If they do not, well don't do it. Simple.

If you really must have a reason for my reasoning making sense, then here's an example.
You are about to have a baby, but are the poorest person ever (theoretically). You have enough money for the abortion thing, but only enough after that for nothing but food for only two people. What would you do? Make the baby and you two suffer for the rest of your lives (maybe even die a painful death) until it can leave you and be on it's own while, or just do the thing and save atleast the two of you.

Knowing how it's worse to suffer than it is to die outright before you feel the immense pain of life, I would have to say, saving two and both having good lives and killing one is better than having a miniscule chance of all three living and not all dying.

Peace out dudes and dudettes. I'm done arguing here. I just hope people eventually realize that they can not change other's opinions on such a subject and be done with it (not that I have anything against arguing a given subject when needed ). Common sense is where I draw the line.
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Pro-choice all the way...if a man rapes a woman and gets her pregnant, she shouldnt have to care for a baby she doesnt want. I do think that pregnancy thats caused by ignorance shouldnt be allowed abortion. If a 15 yr old boy and girl are unsafe, they should suffer for it.
Pro-choice all the way...if a man rapes a woman and gets her pregnant, she shouldnt have to care for a baby she doesnt want. I do think that pregnancy thats caused by ignorance shouldnt be allowed abortion. If a 15 yr old boy and girl are unsafe, they should suffer for it.
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Oraeus : What you wrote technically does not count as pro choice "all the way" LOL.
Oraeus : What you wrote technically does not count as pro choice "all the way" LOL.
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I'm pro-choice, but I don't know anyone on here well enough to say why.
It is very personal, not just about me, but for my mother also.
However, I do think that the fetus should be removed in a manner that will not cause it pain.
I'm pro-choice, but I don't know anyone on here well enough to say why.
It is very personal, not just about me, but for my mother also.
However, I do think that the fetus should be removed in a manner that will not cause it pain.
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It is just my opinion but I think abortion is murder and so I am against it. I know there are some people who think that is only ok in certain situations like if a woman gets raped. I felt that way at first, but then I thought about it and decided that although it is an awful situation for the mother, a soul getting denied the chance to live is an even greater trajedy. I think that anyone has a shot at a good enjoyable life if just given the chance. And I also think that if abortion was only legal for victims of rape, than some people might take advantage of that and claim that they had been raped when they hadn't been in reality. So that wouldn't solve any problems.
It is just my opinion but I think abortion is murder and so I am against it. I know there are some people who think that is only ok in certain situations like if a woman gets raped. I felt that way at first, but then I thought about it and decided that although it is an awful situation for the mother, a soul getting denied the chance to live is an even greater trajedy. I think that anyone has a shot at a good enjoyable life if just given the chance. And I also think that if abortion was only legal for victims of rape, than some people might take advantage of that and claim that they had been raped when they hadn't been in reality. So that wouldn't solve any problems.
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I say i am for it. There are rapes,complications in pregnancy,and so many unwanted children in the room.
I say i am for it. There are rapes,complications in pregnancy,and so many unwanted children in the room.
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Im against but you let it be born and put it up for adoption and give it a chance to live
Im against but you let it be born and put it up for adoption and give it a chance to live
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Even if you are the victim of rape and other things (sorry for the images) That child or "fetus" I really hate that word has not done anything to you and should still have a chance to live in the world. Even if they are going to be a single parent there is always adoption people!!!!anyway, There is no justification for murder, even though society tells you otherwise. If you are considering it just think about you when you were a "fetus" and your parents were even thinking about killing you. How would that make you feel now?
Even if you are the victim of rape and other things (sorry for the images) That child or "fetus" I really hate that word has not done anything to you and should still have a chance to live in the world. Even if they are going to be a single parent there is always adoption people!!!!anyway, There is no justification for murder, even though society tells you otherwise. If you are considering it just think about you when you were a "fetus" and your parents were even thinking about killing you. How would that make you feel now?
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I am against abortion for any reason. I think we come up with justifiable reasons (I can certainly name a few) because we are "ye of little faith."

I am against abortion for any reason. I think we come up with justifiable reasons (I can certainly name a few) because we are "ye of little faith."

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I am complety against it.. its just like murder.
I am complety against it.. its just like murder.
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I'm Pro choice. Though population control is something I'd like to hear about lol. But still is also the thing about sell/ using embryos/fetuses for money & research; is also another aspect.
I'm Pro choice. Though population control is something I'd like to hear about lol. But still is also the thing about sell/ using embryos/fetuses for money & research; is also another aspect.
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It is a shame I missed your argument.

My thoughts are: Abortion is not to be used for birth control. Women may have abortion available if they have been raped, if there is a danger to their lives while giving birth, and other situations that can arise that involve conflict with life and health.

Otherwise, just getting one because you didn't wear a condom is a bad idea.
It is a shame I missed your argument.

My thoughts are: Abortion is not to be used for birth control. Women may have abortion available if they have been raped, if there is a danger to their lives while giving birth, and other situations that can arise that involve conflict with life and health.

Otherwise, just getting one because you didn't wear a condom is a bad idea.
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I am against it Killing a young soul not giving it a chance
to live is cruel. If you don't want the kid you should
simply just put it up for adoption.
I am against it Killing a young soul not giving it a chance
to live is cruel. If you don't want the kid you should
simply just put it up for adoption.
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I am a 17 year old girl, and most definitely pro-choice. I've seen it happen, and how nasty people can be to others considering the option. What often frustrates me is that the teenage girl/woman suffers much more than the male.

You may have ethical ideals, or unique perceptions regarding morality, but I highly doubt that you have done much or gone out of your way to make the world a better place. Consequently, this righteous indignation that I seem from "Pro-Life" people is highly misogynistic and unbelievably hypocritical.

One misconception: Women should have used a condom, they weren't safe and they should just deal with it.

This is not true. Studies have repeatedly shown that over half of women who want to have abortions have used contraceptives, and it occurs due to contraceptive failure (pills don't work, condom doesn't work, etc). The Guttmacher report comes to mind as a more recent one, but I can find additional evidence if you guys challenge it.

So, bear in mind that OVER HALF of the women who are engaging in sexual intercourse DO NOT WANT or CANNOT support a baby, and are using methods to prevent this.

I think it's fair to say that women or young teens who are raped should NOT be forced to have the baby. It's ridiculous for ANYONE to say otherwise... Seriously?

Some pregnancies cause severe physical or mental conditions that endanger a woman's health OR serious birth defects become known, so after a few weeks (vast majority of abortions occur within first 11 weeks) the option should be taken. Don't tell me that a life is a life, babies are a collection of cells at this point, barely sentient. If you're obsessing over THIS, then you had better be a vegetarian and extend the same kindness to chickens, lobsters, cats, dogs, etc.

You people assume an actual baby is being aborted. It is a jumble of cells, and first trimester abortion is utilized the majority of the time. 70.9% of later abortions occur because mothers did not have the tools (too poor, idk)  to realize that they were pregnant. I agree that aborting a baby a few weeks before it is due is ridiculous, and the mothers should be punished, but oftentimes the daughter of highly conservative, awful parents does it in private, and has to wait. The lazy, lackadaisical mother should be punished, but again, this RARELY occurs.

Teens who are pregnant should not have their lives ruined, and are invariably forced to shoulder the child alone, while the dumb guy just runs away. Abortion is not a cowardly escape. It takes courage to have an abortion, and can be heart-wrenching for a young woman.

Sure, you will find unreasonable stories on one side or another, but I feel that despite the clear reasons for abortion (and as you can see, girls can get abortion in EVERY state, since 1973, including illegally. Those who oppose abortion are in a SMALL, but vocal minority. As time wears on, the issue will become clearer and clearer, and more people will have the correct opinion.

I understand that you may have a set of beliefs based on how you were raised, your parents, your religion, and other things like that, but in the face of logic it is academically dishonest to not change one's opinion if there is no adequate response. Pig-headed-obstinacy will never be swayed, but there are many intelligent people out there who are mature enough to change their opinions on such an issue when they are proved wrong.

Abortion is a fundamental woman's right.
I am a 17 year old girl, and most definitely pro-choice. I've seen it happen, and how nasty people can be to others considering the option. What often frustrates me is that the teenage girl/woman suffers much more than the male.

You may have ethical ideals, or unique perceptions regarding morality, but I highly doubt that you have done much or gone out of your way to make the world a better place. Consequently, this righteous indignation that I seem from "Pro-Life" people is highly misogynistic and unbelievably hypocritical.

One misconception: Women should have used a condom, they weren't safe and they should just deal with it.

This is not true. Studies have repeatedly shown that over half of women who want to have abortions have used contraceptives, and it occurs due to contraceptive failure (pills don't work, condom doesn't work, etc). The Guttmacher report comes to mind as a more recent one, but I can find additional evidence if you guys challenge it.

So, bear in mind that OVER HALF of the women who are engaging in sexual intercourse DO NOT WANT or CANNOT support a baby, and are using methods to prevent this.

I think it's fair to say that women or young teens who are raped should NOT be forced to have the baby. It's ridiculous for ANYONE to say otherwise... Seriously?

Some pregnancies cause severe physical or mental conditions that endanger a woman's health OR serious birth defects become known, so after a few weeks (vast majority of abortions occur within first 11 weeks) the option should be taken. Don't tell me that a life is a life, babies are a collection of cells at this point, barely sentient. If you're obsessing over THIS, then you had better be a vegetarian and extend the same kindness to chickens, lobsters, cats, dogs, etc.

You people assume an actual baby is being aborted. It is a jumble of cells, and first trimester abortion is utilized the majority of the time. 70.9% of later abortions occur because mothers did not have the tools (too poor, idk)  to realize that they were pregnant. I agree that aborting a baby a few weeks before it is due is ridiculous, and the mothers should be punished, but oftentimes the daughter of highly conservative, awful parents does it in private, and has to wait. The lazy, lackadaisical mother should be punished, but again, this RARELY occurs.

Teens who are pregnant should not have their lives ruined, and are invariably forced to shoulder the child alone, while the dumb guy just runs away. Abortion is not a cowardly escape. It takes courage to have an abortion, and can be heart-wrenching for a young woman.

Sure, you will find unreasonable stories on one side or another, but I feel that despite the clear reasons for abortion (and as you can see, girls can get abortion in EVERY state, since 1973, including illegally. Those who oppose abortion are in a SMALL, but vocal minority. As time wears on, the issue will become clearer and clearer, and more people will have the correct opinion.

I understand that you may have a set of beliefs based on how you were raised, your parents, your religion, and other things like that, but in the face of logic it is academically dishonest to not change one's opinion if there is no adequate response. Pig-headed-obstinacy will never be swayed, but there are many intelligent people out there who are mature enough to change their opinions on such an issue when they are proved wrong.

Abortion is a fundamental woman's right.
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I am against, I think that it makes much more sense to simply give the child away instead of killing it. Even if I was not a christian I would think the same thing.
I am against, I think that it makes much more sense to simply give the child away instead of killing it. Even if I was not a christian I would think the same thing.
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