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09-11-10 10:32 PM
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tRIUNE : You have yet to answer my challenge. Homosexuality has nothing to do with intelligence, and it is not a moral matter like rape or cannibalism (of which cannibalism is not necessarily a bad thing, and rape is more common among humans than animals). Just show why homosexuality is a choice. That is all.

As for the "natural use" of sex, if homosexuality occurs in nature, then clearly sex has more natural uses than you are claiming.
tRIUNE : You have yet to answer my challenge. Homosexuality has nothing to do with intelligence, and it is not a moral matter like rape or cannibalism (of which cannibalism is not necessarily a bad thing, and rape is more common among humans than animals). Just show why homosexuality is a choice. That is all.

As for the "natural use" of sex, if homosexuality occurs in nature, then clearly sex has more natural uses than you are claiming.
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Traduweise : Rape is a terrible crime. You won't find a place that is okay with that (murder and theft are two other crimes that are not tolerated anywhere).
Traduweise : Rape is a terrible crime. You won't find a place that is okay with that (murder and theft are two other crimes that are not tolerated anywhere).
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Traduweise : Please read my previous post, bisexuals cannot be both straight and gay at the same time; if you like the same gender then not to be offensive but you are gay, fact. If you are gay then how can you be attracted to the opposite gender as well unless you are choosing to like one or the other?
Traduweise : Please read my previous post, bisexuals cannot be both straight and gay at the same time; if you like the same gender then not to be offensive but you are gay, fact. If you are gay then how can you be attracted to the opposite gender as well unless you are choosing to like one or the other?
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tRIUNE : Bisexuality is different. Some feel a greater attraction to males more than females, and vice versa. It's not that they're choosing one or another, it could just be that they're smitten with one individual who happens to be of the same sex. Love has a lot to do with it too. It's not that they like anyone and everyone. Male, female, it doesn't matter to them. They may do both homosexual and heterosexual acts, however, they are still bisexual in nature.
tRIUNE : Bisexuality is different. Some feel a greater attraction to males more than females, and vice versa. It's not that they're choosing one or another, it could just be that they're smitten with one individual who happens to be of the same sex. Love has a lot to do with it too. It's not that they like anyone and everyone. Male, female, it doesn't matter to them. They may do both homosexual and heterosexual acts, however, they are still bisexual in nature.
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I suppose the answer is clear then if you can't prove that the natural use of sex is for reproduction .
I suppose the answer is clear then if you can't prove that the natural use of sex is for reproduction .
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tRIUNE : This is making no sense. If you are attracted to both genders then you are neither gay nor straight; you are bisexual. So if you are attracted to the same gender, you are not necessarily gay.

NotJon : I was simply pointing out that rape happens more often among humans than in the animal kingdom, not that it is right or wrong.
tRIUNE : This is making no sense. If you are attracted to both genders then you are neither gay nor straight; you are bisexual. So if you are attracted to the same gender, you are not necessarily gay.

NotJon : I was simply pointing out that rape happens more often among humans than in the animal kingdom, not that it is right or wrong.
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ok, the "natural because it is done in nature" is a horrible argument. You can tell that humans and animals are so much different than that. Some spiders eat their parents after birth, the food chain is basically what animals live by, we are the ones actually caring about what their names and characteristics are, we are the ones who cares about morals, we are the ones who focuses on specific ways of communication, and the list goes on...
ok, the "natural because it is done in nature" is a horrible argument. You can tell that humans and animals are so much different than that. Some spiders eat their parents after birth, the food chain is basically what animals live by, we are the ones actually caring about what their names and characteristics are, we are the ones who cares about morals, we are the ones who focuses on specific ways of communication, and the list goes on...
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play4fun : Morals and food chains are irrelevant (so is communication, though plenty of animals do that). This is simply a matter of whether or not homosexuality is natural. It's not hard; just look at the first definition in the flipping dictionary. http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0549620#m_en_gb0549620
play4fun : Morals and food chains are irrelevant (so is communication, though plenty of animals do that). This is simply a matter of whether or not homosexuality is natural. It's not hard; just look at the first definition in the flipping dictionary. http://oxforddictionaries.com/view/entry/m_en_gb0549620#m_en_gb0549620
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From that definition in oxford dictionaries: "1) existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind." Homosexuality exists in nature, however the natural intent of sexuality was reproduction and homosexuality was made and caused by mankind. If reproduction was not the natural intent then we would not be here today.
From that definition in oxford dictionaries: "1) existing in or derived from nature; not made or caused by humankind." Homosexuality exists in nature, however the natural intent of sexuality was reproduction and homosexuality was made and caused by mankind. If reproduction was not the natural intent then we would not be here today.
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tRIUNE : Sexuality and nature have no intent; that is applying human traits to abstract concepts. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with choice.
tRIUNE : Sexuality and nature have no intent; that is applying human traits to abstract concepts. Furthermore, this has nothing to do with choice.
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I'm PRETTY SURE the Christian God will throw you in hell for thought crimes. I don't see how Homosexual thoughts would be exempt from this. Y'all're picking-and-choosing your religious doctrines.
I'm PRETTY SURE the Christian God will throw you in hell for thought crimes. I don't see how Homosexual thoughts would be exempt from this. Y'all're picking-and-choosing your religious doctrines.
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Shaedo K : You're right, you wouldn't be exempt from that. But that's far from being relevant to whether or not it's a choice. I never said you'd be exempt from having thoughts. No one did.
Shaedo K : You're right, you wouldn't be exempt from that. But that's far from being relevant to whether or not it's a choice. I never said you'd be exempt from having thoughts. No one did.
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I think that this question is a matter of opinion. If it's not an issue of morality, then it is normal to be homosexual. However, if it is a moral issue, then it's a choice. Though it's virtually impossible to convey it as a moral issue apart from the biblical standpoint which says that homosexuality is not God's intent. The basis of choice is either psychological or supernatural.



I think that this question is a matter of opinion. If it's not an issue of morality, then it is normal to be homosexual. However, if it is a moral issue, then it's a choice. Though it's virtually impossible to convey it as a moral issue apart from the biblical standpoint which says that homosexuality is not God's intent. The basis of choice is either psychological or supernatural.



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tRIUNE : I'm afraid I don't quite understand your reasoning on how this is a matter of morality, even if this were somehow connected to a supernatural cause.
tRIUNE : I'm afraid I don't quite understand your reasoning on how this is a matter of morality, even if this were somehow connected to a supernatural cause.
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mo·ral·i·ty
   
1.
conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
2.
moral quality or character.
3.
virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
4.
a doctrine or system of morals.
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mo·ral·i·ty
   
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conformity to the rules of right conduct; moral or virtuous conduct.
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moral quality or character.
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virtue in sexual matters; chastity.
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That doesn't answer my question which was how he justifies the cause of homosexuality as a matter of morality.
That doesn't answer my question which was how he justifies the cause of homosexuality as a matter of morality.
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Yep, I said it was a biblical standpoint which means it's in the Bible. I didn't feel it was necessary to write down the scriptures. Also that apart from that standpoint it is virtually impossible to convey that standpoint because it only comes across as prejudiced, and my intent is not to be offensive.
Yep, I said it was a biblical standpoint which means it's in the Bible. I didn't feel it was necessary to write down the scriptures. Also that apart from that standpoint it is virtually impossible to convey that standpoint because it only comes across as prejudiced, and my intent is not to be offensive.
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