I disagree with the "No god no morals" thing because animals don't know god exist but they still have morals. If animals have a place to live and get fed they should usually have good morals. If animals are in the wild and there is no one to give them food to survive then they must kill others in the process. Humans would probably do the same whether there was god nor not. I can see what you are saying though but it really depends on the person. Some people will know what is right from wrong, others will do wrong because they know they can't get punished for it if there was nothing to punish them.

God, just like government, could have easily been created to control the masses and prevent all hell from breaking loose. One theory is people invented the concept of "God" to start getting people to obey someone or something, ultimately though they discovered that is not enough to contain the masses so they created Government which is an exact replica of god himself: judge, jury, and executioner. It makes perfect sense to me, I'm sure no one else would agree with that theory but I think its correct. God is being used as a scapegoat to control people when in real life the real god in control is government.

Also, the animals given homes will probably leave if you lose all ways of giving them food and shelter. But if you gave a human food and shelter for years, and suddenly you couldn't provide the simplest things to him, his morals would push him to help you back. Or he'd say f*** morals and leave.

geeogree : Well, technically, The Catholic Church used the advantage that the people at the time could barely read any Bibles(illiteracy in the Middle Ages, until the invention of the printing press, which printed Bibles in the vernacular, instead of Latin, which started the Reformation.)
But it can be true that it has been used to manipulate before...
chugchu : Are you calling us hypocrites then? Just wondering lol.
JigSaw : So... does that mean you don't like the idea of a government too?

mdynasty926 : Why would I like a powerful entity pretending to be god? Either they really are God or they are posing as him. One way or another is sick to think about.

Zamiel : Christianity is not a magic art. You don't play with magic spell, try to communicate with past spirits and play with weegee boards. In fact, it's dangerous to do so.

Again, no one can say that they are even close to being good. Just that almost everyone would proclaim that they are good, when in fact, they are not.

The order is this:
We broke God's moral standard, that is why we all deserve to hell.
God gave made a way so that we can make right with God, and it is whether we decide to accept that way and let him deal with the fine, or we deal with it on our own.

It will not make sense to anyone if they see it as "just believe in Jesus or one would go to hell." There is a problem in the background, and it's just that Jesus is the only solution to it. That's what it is. If you look at the other religions, they all say that you need to do good works to enter paradise. Muslims believe that you either follow the five pillars or commit a jihad to enter a type of paradise; Hindus believe one get reincarnated through good karma or bad karma; Buddhists believe in getting rid of pleasure to pursue enlightenment; and the list goes on and on and on, talking about doing good works to enter a good afterlife. Christianity says this: "no one is able to get to heaven on their own. God is perfect and demands perfection, which no one can achieve, but He made a way for everyone and if you are willing to return to Him, you can be made right with a relationship with Him. If one refuses, then they would have to pay for what their sins have contributed to on their own."

As for the authenticity of the Bible, we can use a different thread for this topic.

JigSaw : so you don't like the idea of God... and you don't like the idea of government...
Are you an anarchist and atheist? XD

mdynasty926 : I'm an anarchist pure and simple. I believe that I get labeled as that because I do not believe in God but I'm forced to because Government makes me. There can't be two gods, and the only god that exists on earth at this point in time is Government. One way or another, there cannot be two gods so either the real god is imaginary fairy tail while the real god is government or government is pretending to be god when the real god might exist on another dimension. But based on my contradictions with god and religion as a whole, both are balogni to me I think its just a matter of controlling the masses.

play4fun : Perhaps universal reconciliation is a flawed view, but I would not say that annihilationism is flawed, I am sure that it is as likely as eternal damnation. Jesus spoke of eternal punishment in the Gospel of Matthew. But one thing to point out is that the eternal punishment may not needly be torment, it could be death. When Jesus spoke of Hell in the Gospel of Mark, he said to fear God, who can destroy your soul. Jesus may have meant that while men can give you death, God can wholly end you. Also, in a bible verse in the Gospel of John, it says that God sent his only son so that we may not perish but have eternal life. If Hell were to be eternal torment, wouldn't we have eternal life anyways? Likely, we couldn't, because this bible verse seems to be pointing out eternal life as a gift; it can't be a gift if it is torment. I do not remember which gospel it was, but there was a person who questioned Jesus about how to get eternal life. Wouldn't he get eternal life anyways if Hell was eternal torment? Also, why does Revelations say that the lake of fire is the second death? The first death would need to be our death on Earth, so it is likely that this death would also be ceasing to live. However, I am willing to listen to what you have to say, but I truly do not understand why most people believe in eternal damnation and not annihilationism.

play4fun : I didn't say it was exactly. I said it kind of looks like one to an outsider. Take praying for example. If a magic user was to come across some one who was kneeling next to their bed, hands in the usual pray formation, muttering under their breath what do you think is going to pop into the magic user's head? You just a little chant to communicate to a great spiritual being

It is also to dangerous to drive a car too but I'm guessing that you do that right? Magic is another religous (doesn't have to be religious though) view so please be careful of what you are saying about it.

The bible is pretty clear that it is eternal damnation. Those go to hell have to stay there for all eternity and endure it all. This other stuff that you can die in hell or be forgiven and go to heaven eventually is not biblical at all. As a spirit you cannot die, and a person in hell would have to endure it day and night forever and ever. Keep in mind that hell was not meant for us but people will still go there.

Zamiel : Playing with magic(in terms of magic, we are talking about witchcraft), however, is messing with the spirit world. Your heart will not be guarded and it leaves yourself open to demon possession. These are not things people should mess around with, like weegee boards and witchcraft stuff. It is dangerous.

play4fun : Says you. It's only dangerous if you are not properly prepared. (just like driving a car ) We're getting off topic though.

"Hell" is just a way for religious leaders to control their "flock." how can impressionable people not do what you want them to do if you threaten them with burning, etc.?

Wrong again and again bobbynibbles. The real message is the exact opposite of fear.