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11-29-18 11:15 AM
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I've done something radical. I've demoted all of the moderators. Clean start. Rebuilding the team from the ground up. There have been too many complaints about the moderators over the years and it has resulted into a lot of members leaving, resulting into a massive drop in activity. It's time to let the community help choose who gets to have the power to be above them. Letting the Moderators choose who becomes a Moderator opens the doors for corruption and abuse of power.

I have 10 Local Moderator positions available. All you have to do is reply to the below thread with an application explaining why you think you deserve to be a Local Moderator and how you plan to make this a better place. Make it convincing and be honest, because the entire community will be involved with voting on who gets promoted.

2 Global Moderators will be chosen from the 10 Local Moderators. Voting for this will begin after the 10 Local Moderators have been promoted but this time those 10 Local Moderators will vote on who is most deserving of Global Mod. No one will be made an admin for the time being, I'll let time determine who is worthy of the admin position and at some point have an election for those 2 spots.

The Local Moderator applications will be available until December 5th and voting will last about a week (these times may change depending on participation). If you have any questions at all, let me know in this thread.

EDIT: All demoted staff members are eligible to apply for this and most likely have a great shot at getting the same position back. This mass demotion isn't targeting anyone, I just find it easier to revive Vizzed if I first start with reviving the staff (the team responsible for helping me make this happen) since a forum's success is often determined by the staff.

To apply, please submit your applications to this thread:
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=101020
I've done something radical. I've demoted all of the moderators. Clean start. Rebuilding the team from the ground up. There have been too many complaints about the moderators over the years and it has resulted into a lot of members leaving, resulting into a massive drop in activity. It's time to let the community help choose who gets to have the power to be above them. Letting the Moderators choose who becomes a Moderator opens the doors for corruption and abuse of power.

I have 10 Local Moderator positions available. All you have to do is reply to the below thread with an application explaining why you think you deserve to be a Local Moderator and how you plan to make this a better place. Make it convincing and be honest, because the entire community will be involved with voting on who gets promoted.

2 Global Moderators will be chosen from the 10 Local Moderators. Voting for this will begin after the 10 Local Moderators have been promoted but this time those 10 Local Moderators will vote on who is most deserving of Global Mod. No one will be made an admin for the time being, I'll let time determine who is worthy of the admin position and at some point have an election for those 2 spots.

The Local Moderator applications will be available until December 5th and voting will last about a week (these times may change depending on participation). If you have any questions at all, let me know in this thread.

EDIT: All demoted staff members are eligible to apply for this and most likely have a great shot at getting the same position back. This mass demotion isn't targeting anyone, I just find it easier to revive Vizzed if I first start with reviving the staff (the team responsible for helping me make this happen) since a forum's success is often determined by the staff.

To apply, please submit your applications to this thread:
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=101020
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This reminds me of the time we had that ballot to fill a local mod vacant back in time... Not sure how it turned out, but it surely sparked some involvement of the community into decision-making, and I think it's the path we should follow.

I hope we do get enough applications, because 10 mods right now will be very hard to fill. The due date is very soon, not even a week, so that will give people a short gap to decide. True is that we must accommodate time for the voting and after that will come the Global election, but still I doubt everything will have ended by the second week of December. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, though.

And well, getting a bit off-topic now, but hopefully this will also instigate opening up apps for site staff, we've gone for 2-3 years without them and we could do with a few reinforcements here and there.
This reminds me of the time we had that ballot to fill a local mod vacant back in time... Not sure how it turned out, but it surely sparked some involvement of the community into decision-making, and I think it's the path we should follow.

I hope we do get enough applications, because 10 mods right now will be very hard to fill. The due date is very soon, not even a week, so that will give people a short gap to decide. True is that we must accommodate time for the voting and after that will come the Global election, but still I doubt everything will have ended by the second week of December. I wouldn't mind being proven wrong, though.

And well, getting a bit off-topic now, but hopefully this will also instigate opening up apps for site staff, we've gone for 2-3 years without them and we could do with a few reinforcements here and there.
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You know, starting back to square one would be the smart idea to take, after all of the mess that Vizzed had to endure over the past few years, I think some fresh mods would be great and all, and personally I think 10 Locals is a little much at this time (or maybe not), but we will see though.

It might be a slow start, but things might pick up again, let's see over time.
You know, starting back to square one would be the smart idea to take, after all of the mess that Vizzed had to endure over the past few years, I think some fresh mods would be great and all, and personally I think 10 Locals is a little much at this time (or maybe not), but we will see though.

It might be a slow start, but things might pick up again, let's see over time.
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Honestly did not expect you to make a change this radical but I'll bite. Radical change is perhaps what is needed to revive the site. I am skeptical about there actually being enough candidates that are willing for there to be a total of 10 locals but I suppose we won't know until we try.

Honestly did not expect you to make a change this radical but I'll bite. Radical change is perhaps what is needed to revive the site. I am skeptical about there actually being enough candidates that are willing for there to be a total of 10 locals but I suppose we won't know until we try.

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I like the idea of a fresh start. A new team could find different ways of looking after the site and its userbase that might be better than in the past. It will also lay the groundworks for a potential new era of Vizzed.

I'm personally hoping that staff and regular users will have an easier time respecting and interacting with each other than they did before. 
I like the idea of a fresh start. A new team could find different ways of looking after the site and its userbase that might be better than in the past. It will also lay the groundworks for a potential new era of Vizzed.

I'm personally hoping that staff and regular users will have an easier time respecting and interacting with each other than they did before. 
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Definitely going to apply. Working on it now!
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This'll be nice for Vizzed, I hope whatever new mods that are selected do a good job of running this site. This site is very important to me, so best of luck to everyone applying!
This'll be nice for Vizzed, I hope whatever new mods that are selected do a good job of running this site. This site is very important to me, so best of luck to everyone applying!
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I was notified about this thread for some reason... and I've decided to provide my input/constructive criticism.

Davideo7 :

I really really hope you read what I have to say in this matter. And I hope that other members of the community see where I'm coming from with this.

First and foremost... I'm glad you have the stones to make a drastic change. I'll get into whether I think that's a good idea or not shortly, but if nothing else, I respect that you are being proactive about this. This place is at its best when YOU are proactive. Quality moderation starts at the top, and that means you.

With that positive fluff out of the way... I'm not sure I agree with this, either. I get the complaints about the mods. I do, and frankly, I agree with some of the complaints! I've been one of the people to complain! That said, I think it's a BAD idea to let the community decide who is moderating the community, because this is a site for children, and when you let children make decisions... it usually backfires.

Last time we had a mod election publicly, it got messy. The experiment flamed out pretty radically, and I thought that would be the end of it. In theory, I like the idea, the community should choose who leads them. But in practice, there's a reason it hasn't worked to this point. It's because left unchecked, the community tends to do whatever it wants.

If we ignore the possibility that this could ruin the mod-base/userbase irrevocably, I question if there are even enough people who are active who could be considered legitimate choices. That's not to say we don't have 10 mod-quality users who have posted on the site in the past week. But if we fire all of the staff, and we assume they are not "quality enough", then who are you left with? I don't want to insult anyone, but there are clearly people who shouldn't be considered, and that only dilutes the pool further.

I like the idea of what you are going for. And I agree that the locals should choose the new globals, in theory, but I think it would be better if you just asked geeo to choose 10 locals, and let those 10 locals pick the globals. Not because I think geeo has his pulse on the community or anything (I highly doubt he has it as figured out as he used to, and I think he'd agree with that), but because I think he's more likely, even with limited knowledge, to choose 10 people who would be a better team, than the population of this site.

So much of moderation is working together. When you elect 10 people to work together, on a site for children, you are hoping for the best, and preparing for the worst. Maybe things have changed, but typically, people have people they dislike, and don't want to work with. By leaving the 10 spots open to popular election, you are heightening the risk of getting a group of people who cannot cohesively work together and communicate in an effective manner.

I hope it works well. I'll even vote. But I question if this is the best way to do it.

Still, I have to applaud the fact you are being proactive about all of this. If nothing else, at least I can say you are trying.
I was notified about this thread for some reason... and I've decided to provide my input/constructive criticism.

Davideo7 :

I really really hope you read what I have to say in this matter. And I hope that other members of the community see where I'm coming from with this.

First and foremost... I'm glad you have the stones to make a drastic change. I'll get into whether I think that's a good idea or not shortly, but if nothing else, I respect that you are being proactive about this. This place is at its best when YOU are proactive. Quality moderation starts at the top, and that means you.

With that positive fluff out of the way... I'm not sure I agree with this, either. I get the complaints about the mods. I do, and frankly, I agree with some of the complaints! I've been one of the people to complain! That said, I think it's a BAD idea to let the community decide who is moderating the community, because this is a site for children, and when you let children make decisions... it usually backfires.

Last time we had a mod election publicly, it got messy. The experiment flamed out pretty radically, and I thought that would be the end of it. In theory, I like the idea, the community should choose who leads them. But in practice, there's a reason it hasn't worked to this point. It's because left unchecked, the community tends to do whatever it wants.

If we ignore the possibility that this could ruin the mod-base/userbase irrevocably, I question if there are even enough people who are active who could be considered legitimate choices. That's not to say we don't have 10 mod-quality users who have posted on the site in the past week. But if we fire all of the staff, and we assume they are not "quality enough", then who are you left with? I don't want to insult anyone, but there are clearly people who shouldn't be considered, and that only dilutes the pool further.

I like the idea of what you are going for. And I agree that the locals should choose the new globals, in theory, but I think it would be better if you just asked geeo to choose 10 locals, and let those 10 locals pick the globals. Not because I think geeo has his pulse on the community or anything (I highly doubt he has it as figured out as he used to, and I think he'd agree with that), but because I think he's more likely, even with limited knowledge, to choose 10 people who would be a better team, than the population of this site.

So much of moderation is working together. When you elect 10 people to work together, on a site for children, you are hoping for the best, and preparing for the worst. Maybe things have changed, but typically, people have people they dislike, and don't want to work with. By leaving the 10 spots open to popular election, you are heightening the risk of getting a group of people who cannot cohesively work together and communicate in an effective manner.

I hope it works well. I'll even vote. But I question if this is the best way to do it.

Still, I have to applaud the fact you are being proactive about all of this. If nothing else, at least I can say you are trying.
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legacyme3 : I would have been more inclined to agree with you a few years ago. Most of the people that are still around however have grown up or are in the process of doing so and those are primarily the people I would assume care enough to vote. I think those people are informed enough to make a decision based on the information given to them and their experience of the site over the years.

Having someone else pick the mods, particularly someone who was part of the mod team at one point would go against the point of restructuring the mods in the first place. We are in this situation because a large chunk of the userbase have become deeply distrustful of staff in recent years, something which has only been cemented further as time has passed. The only way to reverse this is to completely restructure the mod team from the ground up. I think David figured out a good compromise by letting people vote for the local mods and then letting those mods pick globals rather than directly voting for both.

While there is indeed a chance that it might not work out I think it is worth a try at this point. The site has hit an all time low and some radical change could be the last way to change this trend before it is too late. With that said I do agree that electing 10 people might be setting the bar a bit high due to the low activity. However in principle and judging by the mod elections that were held previously, this has the potential to work out if the process is made more organized. By confining the discussion to a single thread this should be partly relieved.

By having the local mods be publicly elected by the site members this will establish a form of trust at the start of the new mod teams appointment. We are already seeing a lot of engagement from old members as a consequence of this change. This is very significant as public approval of leadership is something that has been severly lacking in recent years. We will not have much hope of reviving the site if the memberbase can't get behind the forum staff on a general level.
legacyme3 : I would have been more inclined to agree with you a few years ago. Most of the people that are still around however have grown up or are in the process of doing so and those are primarily the people I would assume care enough to vote. I think those people are informed enough to make a decision based on the information given to them and their experience of the site over the years.

Having someone else pick the mods, particularly someone who was part of the mod team at one point would go against the point of restructuring the mods in the first place. We are in this situation because a large chunk of the userbase have become deeply distrustful of staff in recent years, something which has only been cemented further as time has passed. The only way to reverse this is to completely restructure the mod team from the ground up. I think David figured out a good compromise by letting people vote for the local mods and then letting those mods pick globals rather than directly voting for both.

While there is indeed a chance that it might not work out I think it is worth a try at this point. The site has hit an all time low and some radical change could be the last way to change this trend before it is too late. With that said I do agree that electing 10 people might be setting the bar a bit high due to the low activity. However in principle and judging by the mod elections that were held previously, this has the potential to work out if the process is made more organized. By confining the discussion to a single thread this should be partly relieved.

By having the local mods be publicly elected by the site members this will establish a form of trust at the start of the new mod teams appointment. We are already seeing a lot of engagement from old members as a consequence of this change. This is very significant as public approval of leadership is something that has been severly lacking in recent years. We will not have much hope of reviving the site if the memberbase can't get behind the forum staff on a general level.
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Not much of a mod guy myself but if you start opening more Site Staff applications let me know. This is a great move and I applaud you. I'm probably going to start being active again.
Not much of a mod guy myself but if you start opening more Site Staff applications let me know. This is a great move and I applaud you. I'm probably going to start being active again.
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So people will vote for the they like. Huge sign of favoritism and I love it. Chaos will soon arise if this goes wrong 
So people will vote for the they like. Huge sign of favoritism and I love it. Chaos will soon arise if this goes wrong 
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becerra95 :

Favoritism was a bigger issue BEFORE this was put in place. 
becerra95 :

Favoritism was a bigger issue BEFORE this was put in place. 
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Lexatom : Oh I know it has been, but this time around we’ll see how far it became whether it grew or everyone magically matured 
Lexatom : Oh I know it has been, but this time around we’ll see how far it became whether it grew or everyone magically matured 
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Zlinqx : I like that David took this step, and I think it may be the right one. My worry, though, is that with the userbase being like it is right now, who will vote? I'm not sure that much more than 10 people will vote, and those vote outside that bracket will be somewhat ignorant of the issues Vizzed is dealing with. And if only the 10+ running people vote, who will they vote for? What will influence their vote? I wonder whether it would be better or not to allow those running for office a vote (even if that vote is not allowed to be for themselves). And if those running for office won't vote, who outside them will? Who will show up?

The results of this election will not only determine how Vizzed is run, but will have interesting and important things to say about how Vizzed is right now. And in that regard, among a variety of other things, I support this election.
Zlinqx : I like that David took this step, and I think it may be the right one. My worry, though, is that with the userbase being like it is right now, who will vote? I'm not sure that much more than 10 people will vote, and those vote outside that bracket will be somewhat ignorant of the issues Vizzed is dealing with. And if only the 10+ running people vote, who will they vote for? What will influence their vote? I wonder whether it would be better or not to allow those running for office a vote (even if that vote is not allowed to be for themselves). And if those running for office won't vote, who outside them will? Who will show up?

The results of this election will not only determine how Vizzed is run, but will have interesting and important things to say about how Vizzed is right now. And in that regard, among a variety of other things, I support this election.
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supernerd117 : Based on conversations I've had in chat with many site veterans I think a fair amount of people do intend to vote, but likely won't do so until the process of applying ends. I would say they have valid opinions considering they have in most cases been active during past mod teams and thus are able to have sense of what could serve as a new alternative. We can question their reasons for voting but in the end that's still someone who has been active on the site vouching for a specific user which I think in itself is worth something. If it gets to the point of election tampering, then I would hope David is able to keep an eye on the procedure and can catch on to any problems that arise. Overall there is definitely interest in this judging by how much traffic the thread is garnering.

I do agree that going for 10 people is a bit much at this point though, I would at the very most prefer 6-8 locals as that is a size closer to what we had before, and worked as as a minimum amount to keep track of things.
supernerd117 : Based on conversations I've had in chat with many site veterans I think a fair amount of people do intend to vote, but likely won't do so until the process of applying ends. I would say they have valid opinions considering they have in most cases been active during past mod teams and thus are able to have sense of what could serve as a new alternative. We can question their reasons for voting but in the end that's still someone who has been active on the site vouching for a specific user which I think in itself is worth something. If it gets to the point of election tampering, then I would hope David is able to keep an eye on the procedure and can catch on to any problems that arise. Overall there is definitely interest in this judging by how much traffic the thread is garnering.

I do agree that going for 10 people is a bit much at this point though, I would at the very most prefer 6-8 locals as that is a size closer to what we had before, and worked as as a minimum amount to keep track of things.
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First of all, this site does NOT need 10 mods. More like only 1 mod. Activity is so bad that the work can be handled by a single person. The only increase in activity this past day or two was because of Davids attempt to shake things up and everyone including myself are coming out of the woodwork to voice an opinion about it.

This site has issues, groups or clans of folks who do not like one another. I don't know who they all are or what their beef is because I don't socialize with anyone beyond this site but many others do. I don't see this problem going away anytime soon because the same group of folks will still exist.

I can see hints of these social groups working together to rig the Vizzed Awards, I find it very odd all those people voting for the same people or threads. Everyone voting for a thread titled "pizza time" which is one of the stupidest threads on this site goes to show how badly this site has become in terms of quality and EVERYONE is voting it as the best thread? Whatever... all I can't draw here is that many people hate Vanelan and lots of people are trying to prop up Yoshirulez on a pedestal. I know this because I can see it in how these people are voting in the Vizzed Awards.

I'd focus on other parts of the site honestly because the forum as it stands now... the only thing that seems to revive it is drama. If it were just another day there would barely be any posts. Having a popular vote will just lead to more jealousy and drama as it always has in the past. If you are going to hire anyone, do it yourself David, do NOT rely on these peoples votes, refer to my Vizzed Award comment above as proof that there are people on here incapable of voting fairly.
First of all, this site does NOT need 10 mods. More like only 1 mod. Activity is so bad that the work can be handled by a single person. The only increase in activity this past day or two was because of Davids attempt to shake things up and everyone including myself are coming out of the woodwork to voice an opinion about it.

This site has issues, groups or clans of folks who do not like one another. I don't know who they all are or what their beef is because I don't socialize with anyone beyond this site but many others do. I don't see this problem going away anytime soon because the same group of folks will still exist.

I can see hints of these social groups working together to rig the Vizzed Awards, I find it very odd all those people voting for the same people or threads. Everyone voting for a thread titled "pizza time" which is one of the stupidest threads on this site goes to show how badly this site has become in terms of quality and EVERYONE is voting it as the best thread? Whatever... all I can't draw here is that many people hate Vanelan and lots of people are trying to prop up Yoshirulez on a pedestal. I know this because I can see it in how these people are voting in the Vizzed Awards.

I'd focus on other parts of the site honestly because the forum as it stands now... the only thing that seems to revive it is drama. If it were just another day there would barely be any posts. Having a popular vote will just lead to more jealousy and drama as it always has in the past. If you are going to hire anyone, do it yourself David, do NOT rely on these peoples votes, refer to my Vizzed Award comment above as proof that there are people on here incapable of voting fairly.
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JigSaw : I'm gonna stop you right there.

You haven't a single clue as to how the current community functions, nor do you understand the capabilities of them. You were out of the loop for quite some time, and as a result you aren't familiar with the current userbase or how they operate.

The fact of the matter is, if the forum has a chance of being revived, it's by letting people vote on who gets to be a moderator. The community knows what it wants. If they get what they want, they may return and activity may continue.

Don't just discount the fact that all of these people immediately jumped back into Vizzed to try and piece together what's left of the forum through this sort of moderator election. We as a community have a chance to turn this into something functional and I don't think you should go discouraging other people or david himself with following through with it. Moreover, there is no real harm done if the activity is as bad as you say.

And no, people aren't trying to vote for yoshi because they see him as some great member, they just see him as someone who has been wronged by the previous moderator team and wish to correct that.

You should see how this plays out before jumping to conclusions, jigsaw.
JigSaw : I'm gonna stop you right there.

You haven't a single clue as to how the current community functions, nor do you understand the capabilities of them. You were out of the loop for quite some time, and as a result you aren't familiar with the current userbase or how they operate.

The fact of the matter is, if the forum has a chance of being revived, it's by letting people vote on who gets to be a moderator. The community knows what it wants. If they get what they want, they may return and activity may continue.

Don't just discount the fact that all of these people immediately jumped back into Vizzed to try and piece together what's left of the forum through this sort of moderator election. We as a community have a chance to turn this into something functional and I don't think you should go discouraging other people or david himself with following through with it. Moreover, there is no real harm done if the activity is as bad as you say.

And no, people aren't trying to vote for yoshi because they see him as some great member, they just see him as someone who has been wronged by the previous moderator team and wish to correct that.

You should see how this plays out before jumping to conclusions, jigsaw.
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guido222 : You have only 4 posts, who the F are you? Let me guess, another disgruntled member of some off site social group who is putting a banned member on a pedestal. This is more proof that there is more going on here then meets the eye. This guido222 fella, a new member (obviously not) is trying to distort and manipulate the community in a bad way.
guido222 : You have only 4 posts, who the F are you? Let me guess, another disgruntled member of some off site social group who is putting a banned member on a pedestal. This is more proof that there is more going on here then meets the eye. This guido222 fella, a new member (obviously not) is trying to distort and manipulate the community in a bad way.
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Lmao he's not trying to distort anything, he's trying to help. He's obviously here because he was wronged in an incident. The site is changing thanks to David's decision. It is the kind of change the people want, I know this because I am in multiple Discord servers with a bunch of users and I have heard their opinions myself.
Lmao he's not trying to distort anything, he's trying to help. He's obviously here because he was wronged in an incident. The site is changing thanks to David's decision. It is the kind of change the people want, I know this because I am in multiple Discord servers with a bunch of users and I have heard their opinions myself.
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JigSaw : I'm not here to have a spat with you.

I'm not here to put anyone on a pedestal.

I'm not here to to manipulate anyone.

I'm just here to say that you're being overly presumptuous of a community you don't even know.

I've said all that needs to be said. Make of it what you will.
JigSaw : I'm not here to have a spat with you.

I'm not here to put anyone on a pedestal.

I'm not here to to manipulate anyone.

I'm just here to say that you're being overly presumptuous of a community you don't even know.

I've said all that needs to be said. Make of it what you will.
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Lexatom :
guideo222:

Guido22 is a new user with only a few posts yet is posing as someone who has been here for years. So yea, you are trying to manipulate and mislead folks with your rogue account.

I see someone in your inner circle cleverly altered Davids threads (Theme Creator and Live Twitch Stream) and put "#FreeYoshi #FreePokaMocha." as subtitles on them. Maybe David did it as a joke? If not, it's more proof of manipulation your social group is doing to cause harm on the community. And it does not stop there, you got legacyme3 posting staff application for a banned member yoshi. But wait, it gets better. People are voting for him in masses in the vizzed awards. But wait, it gets even better from there because these same people will try to vote him into Vizzed office!

Nothing against yoshi, but you people trying to help him out are part of the problem, you are drama queens. How about you go directly to David next time instead of running around tampering with thread titles, rigging votes, creating phantom vizzed accounts and stupid revival threads just to get your voice heard to #freeyoshi. Some decent staff members probably lost their job because of your nonsense and it is all because one person getting banned.
Lexatom :
guideo222:

Guido22 is a new user with only a few posts yet is posing as someone who has been here for years. So yea, you are trying to manipulate and mislead folks with your rogue account.

I see someone in your inner circle cleverly altered Davids threads (Theme Creator and Live Twitch Stream) and put "#FreeYoshi #FreePokaMocha." as subtitles on them. Maybe David did it as a joke? If not, it's more proof of manipulation your social group is doing to cause harm on the community. And it does not stop there, you got legacyme3 posting staff application for a banned member yoshi. But wait, it gets better. People are voting for him in masses in the vizzed awards. But wait, it gets even better from there because these same people will try to vote him into Vizzed office!

Nothing against yoshi, but you people trying to help him out are part of the problem, you are drama queens. How about you go directly to David next time instead of running around tampering with thread titles, rigging votes, creating phantom vizzed accounts and stupid revival threads just to get your voice heard to #freeyoshi. Some decent staff members probably lost their job because of your nonsense and it is all because one person getting banned.
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If I may give my opinion of something Davideo7, I do think 10 moderators is a little much. I honestly like the ideas of having more Globals. I can't tell you how many times, as a local moderator, I was not able to fix something in a forum I didn't mod. Sometimes the other local moderator of that forum wasn't active for the rest of the day, and the thread just sat there. Might I suggest having the local mods RESPONSIBLE for certain forums, but also able to edit all forums? Just a suggestion. 
If I may give my opinion of something Davideo7, I do think 10 moderators is a little much. I honestly like the ideas of having more Globals. I can't tell you how many times, as a local moderator, I was not able to fix something in a forum I didn't mod. Sometimes the other local moderator of that forum wasn't active for the rest of the day, and the thread just sat there. Might I suggest having the local mods RESPONSIBLE for certain forums, but also able to edit all forums? Just a suggestion. 
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I want to start out by apologizing to the moderators that I demoted. This was nothing against them, I'm not saying the previous moderators were bad. I ultimately think the moderators need a new purpose and also a somewhat different direction. Most of the demoted moderators will more than likely become moderators again, and I'll even support them by also voting for them, but they'll come back with a new goal and purpose and be part of an actual team this time.


There are 2 reasons why I've chosen to promote 10 Local Mods.

1. 2 of those Local Mods will soon be promoted to Global. Something I didn't mention was that eventually 2 people out of that original 10 will become Admins and then probably 2 or 3 will become Globals which would lead us to having 2 admins, 3 globals, 5 locals from that 10.

2. As I'm restructuring the Mods, I'm also kind of repurposing them. Obviously there's barely enough activity at the moment for just 1 moderator but I'm hoping to have a new strategy plan with the team of moderators and that's how I'm viewing this group of mods that will be hired, a team. Moderating the forum will only be a small portion of what the mods will do, the bigger purpose is to work together to get the site active. You need a team of users to help make a forum active and successful, it's really hard to do for just 1 or 2 users.



EX Palen : The due date is soon because I want to get those spots filled sooner rather than later. The longer it takes to have the spots, the longer this site goes without any moderators. I kinda leave the Site Staff up to tRIUNE but maybe after restructuring the Moderators, I can tackle that as well.


IgorBird122 : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


Zlinqx : If there aren't, then I'd select less than 10. Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


Furret : A fresh start allows for us to structure a whole new battle plan.


legacyme3 : I think the adult users will have more impact than the younger users with the voting.

A fresh start gives everyone an equal shot at helping out Vizzed. This includes newer users who have yet to make a name for themselves but are completely committed to this site. This also includes veteran users who haven't been around much but would love to see Vizzed get back to its glory days and are willing to help out with that goal.

The 10 users shouldn't necessarily be chosen based on who knows the community best or who is most knowledgeable. Some of the 10 could be based on that but I also want users who are ambitious and are willing to put in the time to help revive this site.


Zlinqx : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods. Ultimately I want to get users interested in this site again and I want to get everyone involved. I'm excited to see where this takes us because the other option was to let the site continue to die.


Lexatom : Well I am trying to repurpose the Mods as more of a team rather than a police force. But if that still doesn't interest you, I definitely think I'll do the same thing with the Site Staff at some point.


becerra95 : Favoritism is a far bigger factor when the mods are chosen by a very small group of people. When the mods are chosen from many users, it's far less likely that people will be chosen based on favoritism. Come on, we gotta work together at being positive because positivity allows a forum to flourish while negativity is a contagious plague that'll kill its members.


supernerd117 : Out of any concern, that would be my biggest concern; who will vote. It's important that we have a lot of people voting if we want the best users for the forum chosen. If I need to, I can extend the deadline for voting. I can also find other compromises when the time comes.


Zlinqx : I think election tampering will be obvious. If I don't detect it, hopefully at least others will. I could also choose to make the voting exclusive to Trusted Users and up.


Light Knight : I completely agree with your concern. Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


JigSaw : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.

There's been a temporary increase in activity because of this radical decision but maybe it's the spark that Vizzed needed. A new direction, a fresh start, a new purpose for the mod team. The only other option was to let the forum finally die and that to me was not an option.

There's a lot of groups of users on this site who don't like each other and it's sad. But hopefully this new direction will bring together the community and help us focus on what we all have in common, which is an appreciation for what this site is (or use to be). Most of these groups of friends became friends because of Vizzed and with that said, I imagine that the majority of veteran users would love to see Vizzed back to where it use to be.

The 'good old days of vizzed' is different for everyone. It's a matter of opinion. If you were to ask many users, some may say it was 10 years ago. Others might say it was 5 years ago, or 2. But why not all work together and make the good old days now.


I want to start out by apologizing to the moderators that I demoted. This was nothing against them, I'm not saying the previous moderators were bad. I ultimately think the moderators need a new purpose and also a somewhat different direction. Most of the demoted moderators will more than likely become moderators again, and I'll even support them by also voting for them, but they'll come back with a new goal and purpose and be part of an actual team this time.


There are 2 reasons why I've chosen to promote 10 Local Mods.

1. 2 of those Local Mods will soon be promoted to Global. Something I didn't mention was that eventually 2 people out of that original 10 will become Admins and then probably 2 or 3 will become Globals which would lead us to having 2 admins, 3 globals, 5 locals from that 10.

2. As I'm restructuring the Mods, I'm also kind of repurposing them. Obviously there's barely enough activity at the moment for just 1 moderator but I'm hoping to have a new strategy plan with the team of moderators and that's how I'm viewing this group of mods that will be hired, a team. Moderating the forum will only be a small portion of what the mods will do, the bigger purpose is to work together to get the site active. You need a team of users to help make a forum active and successful, it's really hard to do for just 1 or 2 users.



EX Palen : The due date is soon because I want to get those spots filled sooner rather than later. The longer it takes to have the spots, the longer this site goes without any moderators. I kinda leave the Site Staff up to tRIUNE but maybe after restructuring the Moderators, I can tackle that as well.


IgorBird122 : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


Zlinqx : If there aren't, then I'd select less than 10. Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


Furret : A fresh start allows for us to structure a whole new battle plan.


legacyme3 : I think the adult users will have more impact than the younger users with the voting.

A fresh start gives everyone an equal shot at helping out Vizzed. This includes newer users who have yet to make a name for themselves but are completely committed to this site. This also includes veteran users who haven't been around much but would love to see Vizzed get back to its glory days and are willing to help out with that goal.

The 10 users shouldn't necessarily be chosen based on who knows the community best or who is most knowledgeable. Some of the 10 could be based on that but I also want users who are ambitious and are willing to put in the time to help revive this site.


Zlinqx : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods. Ultimately I want to get users interested in this site again and I want to get everyone involved. I'm excited to see where this takes us because the other option was to let the site continue to die.


Lexatom : Well I am trying to repurpose the Mods as more of a team rather than a police force. But if that still doesn't interest you, I definitely think I'll do the same thing with the Site Staff at some point.


becerra95 : Favoritism is a far bigger factor when the mods are chosen by a very small group of people. When the mods are chosen from many users, it's far less likely that people will be chosen based on favoritism. Come on, we gotta work together at being positive because positivity allows a forum to flourish while negativity is a contagious plague that'll kill its members.


supernerd117 : Out of any concern, that would be my biggest concern; who will vote. It's important that we have a lot of people voting if we want the best users for the forum chosen. If I need to, I can extend the deadline for voting. I can also find other compromises when the time comes.


Zlinqx : I think election tampering will be obvious. If I don't detect it, hopefully at least others will. I could also choose to make the voting exclusive to Trusted Users and up.


Light Knight : I completely agree with your concern. Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


JigSaw : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.

There's been a temporary increase in activity because of this radical decision but maybe it's the spark that Vizzed needed. A new direction, a fresh start, a new purpose for the mod team. The only other option was to let the forum finally die and that to me was not an option.

There's a lot of groups of users on this site who don't like each other and it's sad. But hopefully this new direction will bring together the community and help us focus on what we all have in common, which is an appreciation for what this site is (or use to be). Most of these groups of friends became friends because of Vizzed and with that said, I imagine that the majority of veteran users would love to see Vizzed back to where it use to be.

The 'good old days of vizzed' is different for everyone. It's a matter of opinion. If you were to ask many users, some may say it was 10 years ago. Others might say it was 5 years ago, or 2. But why not all work together and make the good old days now.


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"The 'good old days of vizzed' is different for everyone. It's a matter of opinion. If you were to ask many users, some may say it was 10 years ago. Others might say it was 5 years ago, or 2. But why not all work together and make the good old days now. "

Great quote.

Davideo7 : I really love the idea of having the mods work as a team instead of just a few people policing the board. I'm looking forward to seeing what that will look like. 
"The 'good old days of vizzed' is different for everyone. It's a matter of opinion. If you were to ask many users, some may say it was 10 years ago. Others might say it was 5 years ago, or 2. But why not all work together and make the good old days now. "

Great quote.

Davideo7 : I really love the idea of having the mods work as a team instead of just a few people policing the board. I'm looking forward to seeing what that will look like. 
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Davideo7 : It's a rigged election (now I sound like Donald Trump) but it is true. All the good folks will go unnoticed because they may not have as many friends and connections as some of the other people do. These people are not going to vote based on credibility, they are going to vote based on whether they are good pals or not. This will NOT fix your community crisis going on right now. Based on what I am seeing I already know who they are going to prop up into office (they are already spamming up the site with their chosen one).

If this election goes anything like what I am witnessing in the Vizzed Awards, I really do feel sorry for the future of this site. I would have suggested people sending in anonymous applications so we don't know whose name is attached to each one but there is one big problem with that idea, these people are friends with one another on discord and they will conspire with one another and cheat in the voting process to get them elected just like they are doing currently in the vizzed awards.

If I were you, I'd hand pick them myself to avoid voter fraud. That way there is only one person to blame (you) instead of the entire community, which by the way is divided and clearly not capable of voting fairly.
Davideo7 : It's a rigged election (now I sound like Donald Trump) but it is true. All the good folks will go unnoticed because they may not have as many friends and connections as some of the other people do. These people are not going to vote based on credibility, they are going to vote based on whether they are good pals or not. This will NOT fix your community crisis going on right now. Based on what I am seeing I already know who they are going to prop up into office (they are already spamming up the site with their chosen one).

If this election goes anything like what I am witnessing in the Vizzed Awards, I really do feel sorry for the future of this site. I would have suggested people sending in anonymous applications so we don't know whose name is attached to each one but there is one big problem with that idea, these people are friends with one another on discord and they will conspire with one another and cheat in the voting process to get them elected just like they are doing currently in the vizzed awards.

If I were you, I'd hand pick them myself to avoid voter fraud. That way there is only one person to blame (you) instead of the entire community, which by the way is divided and clearly not capable of voting fairly.
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Considering what you've done before, Jigsaw, I don't think you have the right to call Guido a disgruntled member lol
Considering what you've done before, Jigsaw, I don't think you have the right to call Guido a disgruntled member lol
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Davideo7 : Yeah, never really thought about that. that sounds like a reasonable number.

Light Knight : Yeah, a lot of people has claimed their peak as being the "Good Old Days" of Vizzed, but if we all buckle down and work together on the same page, we might end up bring back that Good Old Day

JigSaw: I will agree with you, personally, when people votes for the mods and such, they have to go by on how much they will do for the site, not because he/she is very popular. Plus, it's better to not have someone you adore to claim the spots, because what happens that you break a rule, and that mod has to respond to that situation? It's not going to end well, trust me.


Remember Folks, when you vote, make sure you vote for someone that will put in a lot of time and effort towards Vizzed and don't vote for someone because of their popularity. Who knows, you might like the person, but won't do a great job on Vizzed, that is going to lead to disaster.
Davideo7 : Yeah, never really thought about that. that sounds like a reasonable number.

Light Knight : Yeah, a lot of people has claimed their peak as being the "Good Old Days" of Vizzed, but if we all buckle down and work together on the same page, we might end up bring back that Good Old Day

JigSaw: I will agree with you, personally, when people votes for the mods and such, they have to go by on how much they will do for the site, not because he/she is very popular. Plus, it's better to not have someone you adore to claim the spots, because what happens that you break a rule, and that mod has to respond to that situation? It's not going to end well, trust me.


Remember Folks, when you vote, make sure you vote for someone that will put in a lot of time and effort towards Vizzed and don't vote for someone because of their popularity. Who knows, you might like the person, but won't do a great job on Vizzed, that is going to lead to disaster.
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Davideo7 : I understand, David, I love the decision too. I worded my sentence the wrong way, was meaning to say I personally don't believe I am qualified in any way to be a moderator, but a Site Staff position does seem neat to me. Sorry about the confusion.

JigSaw : You are very much in the wrong here. The people who I know are voting for users like Yoshi are voting for him because he has shown in the past that he is responsible and is very much qualified for the job. Don't forget that he was once a local moderator for about a year. Please stop trying to turn this into another dramatic incident and making it look like it's a rigged election, we are just trying to make Vizzed a better place than what it has been recently. 
Davideo7 : I understand, David, I love the decision too. I worded my sentence the wrong way, was meaning to say I personally don't believe I am qualified in any way to be a moderator, but a Site Staff position does seem neat to me. Sorry about the confusion.

JigSaw : You are very much in the wrong here. The people who I know are voting for users like Yoshi are voting for him because he has shown in the past that he is responsible and is very much qualified for the job. Don't forget that he was once a local moderator for about a year. Please stop trying to turn this into another dramatic incident and making it look like it's a rigged election, we are just trying to make Vizzed a better place than what it has been recently. 
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Lexatom : It was probably my fault for the confusion, I didn't properly convey what I wanted to say lol


JigSaw : How is that situation any different than now though? Currently, the small staff decides who gets to join the staff.

I could choose to handpick them myself but there's too many problems with that. I'll name a few:

1. That's time consuming for me to have to go through all of the applications, read them all, consider them all, compare them to each other, look into any selling points that users brought up, etc.

2. If I pick the wrong team for the job, I get blamed. If the community picks the wrong team, they themselves can share the blame.

3. There's going to be far more users that I'd overlook compared to the overall population of this community. I mean could you imagine if the government had a system where a single person picks the President and all of the Mayors, Governors, etc.

4. I want this community to be more like a democracy and less like a dictatorship. Giving the community involved lets their voices be heard and gives them the power to help out the site. I also think that when staff members get comfortable in their position and don't fear losing it, they get lazy. I want users who are right for the job now, not users who should be right for the job or would have been right for the job months or years ago. Users change and so do their schedules. Ambition and motivation also changes. Even I go through periods of time when life gets too busy or I feel burned out by the responsibilities and drama. Unfortunately for me, I can't just step down and come back later but I want to give that opportunity to the staff. They should step down when they're unable to continue contributing to the site but they should also have an opportunity to come back when things start to turn around for them.
Lexatom : It was probably my fault for the confusion, I didn't properly convey what I wanted to say lol


JigSaw : How is that situation any different than now though? Currently, the small staff decides who gets to join the staff.

I could choose to handpick them myself but there's too many problems with that. I'll name a few:

1. That's time consuming for me to have to go through all of the applications, read them all, consider them all, compare them to each other, look into any selling points that users brought up, etc.

2. If I pick the wrong team for the job, I get blamed. If the community picks the wrong team, they themselves can share the blame.

3. There's going to be far more users that I'd overlook compared to the overall population of this community. I mean could you imagine if the government had a system where a single person picks the President and all of the Mayors, Governors, etc.

4. I want this community to be more like a democracy and less like a dictatorship. Giving the community involved lets their voices be heard and gives them the power to help out the site. I also think that when staff members get comfortable in their position and don't fear losing it, they get lazy. I want users who are right for the job now, not users who should be right for the job or would have been right for the job months or years ago. Users change and so do their schedules. Ambition and motivation also changes. Even I go through periods of time when life gets too busy or I feel burned out by the responsibilities and drama. Unfortunately for me, I can't just step down and come back later but I want to give that opportunity to the staff. They should step down when they're unable to continue contributing to the site but they should also have an opportunity to come back when things start to turn around for them.
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Davideo7 :

"If I pick the wrong team for the job, I get blamed. If the community picks the wrong team, they themselves can share the blame."

So essentially, you want to rid yourself of any and all responsibility as a leader and instead want the community to run the show? That sounds like a really good plan until you realize we are in this mess for that very reason, a divided community and failed leadership. And you expect this same divided community to prop up new officials to run the show fairly and equally? I don't think so. Look, you had no choice but to fire everyone. But the least you could do is think of a better solution to electing officials on Vizzed that does not favor individuals based on their buddy status with one another.

"That's time consuming for me to have to go through all of the applications, read them all, consider them all, compare them to each other, look into any selling points that users brought up, etc."

Was the RGR too time consuming? Was the VGR too time consuming? Was any feature you made on this site too time consuming? What makes this any different then other parts of the site? By saying it is too much effort leads me to believe you are not as passionate about fixing this place up as you are leading others to believe. You are basically expecting this divided community to fix itself while you rid yourself of responsibilities that come with being a leader.

Do you want to be a leader anymore? Or are you giving up on it and hoping the community can do it for you? I don't think it is possible when there is clearly two groups of people angry at one another.

Feel free to ban me if I offended you, I am only trying to help you. There are going to be winners and losers no matter what so good luck either way.
Davideo7 :

"If I pick the wrong team for the job, I get blamed. If the community picks the wrong team, they themselves can share the blame."

So essentially, you want to rid yourself of any and all responsibility as a leader and instead want the community to run the show? That sounds like a really good plan until you realize we are in this mess for that very reason, a divided community and failed leadership. And you expect this same divided community to prop up new officials to run the show fairly and equally? I don't think so. Look, you had no choice but to fire everyone. But the least you could do is think of a better solution to electing officials on Vizzed that does not favor individuals based on their buddy status with one another.

"That's time consuming for me to have to go through all of the applications, read them all, consider them all, compare them to each other, look into any selling points that users brought up, etc."

Was the RGR too time consuming? Was the VGR too time consuming? Was any feature you made on this site too time consuming? What makes this any different then other parts of the site? By saying it is too much effort leads me to believe you are not as passionate about fixing this place up as you are leading others to believe. You are basically expecting this divided community to fix itself while you rid yourself of responsibilities that come with being a leader.

Do you want to be a leader anymore? Or are you giving up on it and hoping the community can do it for you? I don't think it is possible when there is clearly two groups of people angry at one another.

Feel free to ban me if I offended you, I am only trying to help you. There are going to be winners and losers no matter what so good luck either way.
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JigSaw :

As I said before, I think most, if not all of us here are at least mature enough to know that we shouldn't pick moderators based on how much we enjoy being friends with them. It's common sense to vote for people who are notably qualified and responsible enough to help out with the site. We are trying to FIX Vizzed, not destroy and kill it even more than before.
JigSaw :

As I said before, I think most, if not all of us here are at least mature enough to know that we shouldn't pick moderators based on how much we enjoy being friends with them. It's common sense to vote for people who are notably qualified and responsible enough to help out with the site. We are trying to FIX Vizzed, not destroy and kill it even more than before.
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JigSaw : all the features you cite were debeloped when he had the option to do this full time. He doesn't anymore. He'd probably rather be doing this than what he does, but the guy's gotta keep his house. And I also understand what he means when he says he doesn't want to hand pick because the blame will be his. He probably feels like his effort to try and fix things are under appreciated.

Just so you know, I think you're right about how this election's gonna go. I feel like this is David's test to see if the community can be mended or if it's even worth trying. He wants the community to find enough common ground to make the place enjoyanle. Is that optimistic? Yeah. To a fault even? Perhaps. I feel it's unlikely, but I think I understand where he's coming from and I'm glad he's goving it a shot.
JigSaw : all the features you cite were debeloped when he had the option to do this full time. He doesn't anymore. He'd probably rather be doing this than what he does, but the guy's gotta keep his house. And I also understand what he means when he says he doesn't want to hand pick because the blame will be his. He probably feels like his effort to try and fix things are under appreciated.

Just so you know, I think you're right about how this election's gonna go. I feel like this is David's test to see if the community can be mended or if it's even worth trying. He wants the community to find enough common ground to make the place enjoyanle. Is that optimistic? Yeah. To a fault even? Perhaps. I feel it's unlikely, but I think I understand where he's coming from and I'm glad he's goving it a shot.
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JigSaw :

I wanted to clear up one of your misconceptions...

They didn't "get" me to do anything. I'm the one who suggested that yoshirulez! send an application to me, and I would post it for him, because, as I stated in the other thread, I think his ban is BS. Just like I think the permas for every user in that thread were over the top (OK, except for maybe one or two).

I don't want to get into specifics, but if we're doing this for the reasons of BOOSTING ACTIVITY, I think we need people here who actually WANT TO BE ACTIVE. It doesn't really matter what quality of content there is, because at this point, having both quantity and quality is simply not going to happen, because the users capable of doing both for long periods of time, have grown up, migrated elsewhere, or become disenfranchised with the current state of Vizzed.

In a way, I think everyone in Pizza Time should be forgiven, and given the chance to come back, if they even want to, because they showed at the core of Vizzed, what the people want. The people want stupid fun. They don't want to be a bunch of stuffy adults on a boring forum. They want to be kids, and this is what today's kids do. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it reprehensible? I dunno, morality is subjective in the first place. Not my call, and I don't think it should be yours either. That's going to be dependent on the community, and their values, since they are the ones choosing ALL of the moderators this time around.

I gave yoshi a chance, because in his own way, I truly believe he means well, and that he stands for what the community currently values, and is most likely to bring in any kind of activity.

I'd make the argument that this is a little too late for any real activity to come back. Forget golden days, and when they happen, too much time has passed from when the site was super active, for the site to rebound to what anyone is hoping or expecting. Instead of the focus being on "getting it back to where it was", I think the focus should be on making the forum more fun for those presently here. When new users see other users having fun, they will be more likely to participate in the community.

Is yoshirulez! the right choice for this? I can't pretend to say I know the answer to that. But in my own way, I'm supporting what I believe to be a possibility that leads to activity. A possibility that is no less morally sound than any of the other choices at present. Because in this case, morality is going to be decided by the community. Until that vote passes, we cannot say for sure what the community believes is right or wrong.
JigSaw :

I wanted to clear up one of your misconceptions...

They didn't "get" me to do anything. I'm the one who suggested that yoshirulez! send an application to me, and I would post it for him, because, as I stated in the other thread, I think his ban is BS. Just like I think the permas for every user in that thread were over the top (OK, except for maybe one or two).

I don't want to get into specifics, but if we're doing this for the reasons of BOOSTING ACTIVITY, I think we need people here who actually WANT TO BE ACTIVE. It doesn't really matter what quality of content there is, because at this point, having both quantity and quality is simply not going to happen, because the users capable of doing both for long periods of time, have grown up, migrated elsewhere, or become disenfranchised with the current state of Vizzed.

In a way, I think everyone in Pizza Time should be forgiven, and given the chance to come back, if they even want to, because they showed at the core of Vizzed, what the people want. The people want stupid fun. They don't want to be a bunch of stuffy adults on a boring forum. They want to be kids, and this is what today's kids do. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it reprehensible? I dunno, morality is subjective in the first place. Not my call, and I don't think it should be yours either. That's going to be dependent on the community, and their values, since they are the ones choosing ALL of the moderators this time around.

I gave yoshi a chance, because in his own way, I truly believe he means well, and that he stands for what the community currently values, and is most likely to bring in any kind of activity.

I'd make the argument that this is a little too late for any real activity to come back. Forget golden days, and when they happen, too much time has passed from when the site was super active, for the site to rebound to what anyone is hoping or expecting. Instead of the focus being on "getting it back to where it was", I think the focus should be on making the forum more fun for those presently here. When new users see other users having fun, they will be more likely to participate in the community.

Is yoshirulez! the right choice for this? I can't pretend to say I know the answer to that. But in my own way, I'm supporting what I believe to be a possibility that leads to activity. A possibility that is no less morally sound than any of the other choices at present. Because in this case, morality is going to be decided by the community. Until that vote passes, we cannot say for sure what the community believes is right or wrong.
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It's worth noting that we'll be needing more than 1 moderator as we have many forums and many of those forums has a lot of threads that auto-closed (if not all of them at this point)

With that in mind, opening up all of those threads means that we'll need extra moderators to keep track of them, and it'll also promote plenty of healthy activity.

In the future maybe we could turn off auto-close and activity is more important than people bumping old threads. Besides, there's essentially nothing wrong with bumping old threads. If moderators are to do their job, they should be given the task of closing threads that are outdated (in the sense that the topic is no longer relevant to modern day. if it's a discussion on something subjective it should most likely be left open if you want my opinion.) This would eliminate any need for an auto-close feature and would mean that activity wouldn't be hindered by the feature.

I hope David considers that in the future.
It's worth noting that we'll be needing more than 1 moderator as we have many forums and many of those forums has a lot of threads that auto-closed (if not all of them at this point)

With that in mind, opening up all of those threads means that we'll need extra moderators to keep track of them, and it'll also promote plenty of healthy activity.

In the future maybe we could turn off auto-close and activity is more important than people bumping old threads. Besides, there's essentially nothing wrong with bumping old threads. If moderators are to do their job, they should be given the task of closing threads that are outdated (in the sense that the topic is no longer relevant to modern day. if it's a discussion on something subjective it should most likely be left open if you want my opinion.) This would eliminate any need for an auto-close feature and would mean that activity wouldn't be hindered by the feature.

I hope David considers that in the future.
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When I first heard about this I was almost wanting to apply because I feel like I could do a MUCH better job this time around than I ever did before.

I just don't know if I could step back into things here. So much history and I doubt anyone would trust me to do it "right" this time around.
When I first heard about this I was almost wanting to apply because I feel like I could do a MUCH better job this time around than I ever did before.

I just don't know if I could step back into things here. So much history and I doubt anyone would trust me to do it "right" this time around.
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I'm surprised by the applicant turnout... I'm not sure if I should take that as an interest in reuniting or evidence of further division. In either case, this is definitely going to be a telling event. Arguments are getting kinduh heated in here and I really hope we can all try to take a step back and be civil.
I'm surprised by the applicant turnout... I'm not sure if I should take that as an interest in reuniting or evidence of further division. In either case, this is definitely going to be a telling event. Arguments are getting kinduh heated in here and I really hope we can all try to take a step back and be civil.
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m0ssb3rg935 : well, given that David is wanting 10 moderators, it would be more alarming if the applicant turnout was low.
m0ssb3rg935 : well, given that David is wanting 10 moderators, it would be more alarming if the applicant turnout was low.
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JigSaw: If there is ANYTHING we can blame David for, being lazy is not one of them. Yes, there are tons of features David hasn't completed, but I don't see you, or anyone else, doing them for him. Even when he opened up up php development to users, how many people applied?
The fact is, David is not a perfect human, but he HAS worked his ass off for this site; it is his life, and I think it's incredibly ignorant to think he is avoiding time-consuming or effort-demanding tasks for frivolous reasons.
I think what we need  right now is for the community to unite under David, and do OUR part to help Vizzed, not tell David that he's being irresponsible or lazy.
JigSaw: If there is ANYTHING we can blame David for, being lazy is not one of them. Yes, there are tons of features David hasn't completed, but I don't see you, or anyone else, doing them for him. Even when he opened up up php development to users, how many people applied?
The fact is, David is not a perfect human, but he HAS worked his ass off for this site; it is his life, and I think it's incredibly ignorant to think he is avoiding time-consuming or effort-demanding tasks for frivolous reasons.
I think what we need  right now is for the community to unite under David, and do OUR part to help Vizzed, not tell David that he's being irresponsible or lazy.
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Light Knight : With David's schedule both on and off of Vizzed, it can be quite stressful on him, and he can't really handle on the whole mod selection himself combined with other stuff in his life, which is why we have the power to vote for people in as Mods (Locals and Globals)


m0ssb3rg935 : We got 15 users that has already applied, but I do agree, this is going to be quite interesting to see on what transpired on the 5th.
Light Knight : With David's schedule both on and off of Vizzed, it can be quite stressful on him, and he can't really handle on the whole mod selection himself combined with other stuff in his life, which is why we have the power to vote for people in as Mods (Locals and Globals)


m0ssb3rg935 : We got 15 users that has already applied, but I do agree, this is going to be quite interesting to see on what transpired on the 5th.
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How exactly are we voting for the candidates, anyway? Are we doing it by poll like last time or do we have something else in mind?
How exactly are we voting for the candidates, anyway? Are we doing it by poll like last time or do we have something else in mind?
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Light Knight : I never said David was lazy (quote me if I did), I am saying if he puts as much effort into his site staff (hiring the right people & fixing any problems within the staff) as he did with his other features of this site he could have solved the issue before it got way out of hand to the point where he had to fire all the staff. There needs to be proper management somewhere in the staff so that this does not happen again. It's happened way too many times before and something needs to be done about it before it happens again.

legacyme3 : I agree with you there that people want stupid fun here which is kind of a shame because I don't really see a point in posting if that is the case. There are better places for stupid fun like Twitter or Daily Mail's comment section and there you can troll hardcore without getting banned.

A problem I always see happening here is one person wants stupid fun and they come across a mod who is there to enforce rules. Rules get broken, member gets pissed off and we got another fight on our hands. I am guessing that is what happened in yoshi's case I don't know, but it happens all the time. And when that member has friends (even ones in staff) it creates even more issues for the site as it did here. Staff members then fight over one another and all hell breaks loose.

Light Knight : I never said David was lazy (quote me if I did), I am saying if he puts as much effort into his site staff (hiring the right people & fixing any problems within the staff) as he did with his other features of this site he could have solved the issue before it got way out of hand to the point where he had to fire all the staff. There needs to be proper management somewhere in the staff so that this does not happen again. It's happened way too many times before and something needs to be done about it before it happens again.

legacyme3 : I agree with you there that people want stupid fun here which is kind of a shame because I don't really see a point in posting if that is the case. There are better places for stupid fun like Twitter or Daily Mail's comment section and there you can troll hardcore without getting banned.

A problem I always see happening here is one person wants stupid fun and they come across a mod who is there to enforce rules. Rules get broken, member gets pissed off and we got another fight on our hands. I am guessing that is what happened in yoshi's case I don't know, but it happens all the time. And when that member has friends (even ones in staff) it creates even more issues for the site as it did here. Staff members then fight over one another and all hell breaks loose.

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Oof the salt is getting real here. While I don't like drama, I'd like to see where this is going. While it won't magically make the site more active, having an inviting environment is the main priority. I've been out of the loop for some time, coming back for the chance to make this place that was a part of my childhood and reason I got many online friends at least get back on it's feet.
Oof the salt is getting real here. While I don't like drama, I'd like to see where this is going. While it won't magically make the site more active, having an inviting environment is the main priority. I've been out of the loop for some time, coming back for the chance to make this place that was a part of my childhood and reason I got many online friends at least get back on it's feet.
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JigSaw :

This is good. Discourse is good.

Here's my suggestion/thought process.

What you described is exactly true, stupid person meets moderator who wants to be heavy on the rules. Stupid person gets banned. Stupid person's friends, who may or may not be stupid, STOP POSTING.

One of two things needs to happen:

1. The stupid person stops being stupid and contributes to the board in a positive way. This person makes long, well-thought out posts, and becomes something of a leader in the community.

2. The moderator unclenches their anus, and realizes people are complex, and can't be put into column A and B.

Of these options, I think B is the most reasonable one. This is a site for children. Children are going to be immature. To ban children for being children, most of the time, is just silly. I do think serious violations, like posting porn, intentionally bullying, or anything that is truly an evil act should be punished with the top line of punishment. But for minor infractions? I think the mod should learn to let it go, and help foster a better community, one that is understanding of everyone, even if they aren't the most intellectual.

When I was a new member, I did things similarly to several of the recently banned members. I got punished with a short ban, whatever, it was fine. The only time I was perma'd was when I literally asked for it. I feel like I turned out ok, so I think it's only fair to treat other users with similar histories in the same light.
JigSaw :

This is good. Discourse is good.

Here's my suggestion/thought process.

What you described is exactly true, stupid person meets moderator who wants to be heavy on the rules. Stupid person gets banned. Stupid person's friends, who may or may not be stupid, STOP POSTING.

One of two things needs to happen:

1. The stupid person stops being stupid and contributes to the board in a positive way. This person makes long, well-thought out posts, and becomes something of a leader in the community.

2. The moderator unclenches their anus, and realizes people are complex, and can't be put into column A and B.

Of these options, I think B is the most reasonable one. This is a site for children. Children are going to be immature. To ban children for being children, most of the time, is just silly. I do think serious violations, like posting porn, intentionally bullying, or anything that is truly an evil act should be punished with the top line of punishment. But for minor infractions? I think the mod should learn to let it go, and help foster a better community, one that is understanding of everyone, even if they aren't the most intellectual.

When I was a new member, I did things similarly to several of the recently banned members. I got punished with a short ban, whatever, it was fine. The only time I was perma'd was when I literally asked for it. I feel like I turned out ok, so I think it's only fair to treat other users with similar histories in the same light.
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legacyme3 : I just don't see that happening with option 2 though because there is always at least one mod who is more aggressive then the others when it comes to rules and punishment.

I got a new idea for this site, a dog house forum. When banned, all other forums would disappear but the banned member would be redirected to a dog house forum when they try to view the boards. There, an auto generated thread with a poll is created based on the incident that got them banned. Staff members would vote in the poll to dictate whether the ban was warranted or not. Upon further discussion, if both parties come to agreement the case is closed and they are released back into society.

The point of a dog house forum is a more open way to handle problems between banned users and staff and would still allow the banned offender to post but only between them and the mods and no one else. This hidden forum would better allow banned members and staff to handle issues better then what is in place now.

I feel like private messaging between banned users and staff is an obsolete way of handling situations. It may leave other staff in the dark about things unless they are communicating through the mod inboxes.

I know staff have their own little forum to discuss banned members in secret, but maybe it is time to declassify it and make it an open forum so that the banned members can plead their case directly with ALL not just ONE staff member, in an open format (not visible to the rest of the public).
legacyme3 : I just don't see that happening with option 2 though because there is always at least one mod who is more aggressive then the others when it comes to rules and punishment.

I got a new idea for this site, a dog house forum. When banned, all other forums would disappear but the banned member would be redirected to a dog house forum when they try to view the boards. There, an auto generated thread with a poll is created based on the incident that got them banned. Staff members would vote in the poll to dictate whether the ban was warranted or not. Upon further discussion, if both parties come to agreement the case is closed and they are released back into society.

The point of a dog house forum is a more open way to handle problems between banned users and staff and would still allow the banned offender to post but only between them and the mods and no one else. This hidden forum would better allow banned members and staff to handle issues better then what is in place now.

I feel like private messaging between banned users and staff is an obsolete way of handling situations. It may leave other staff in the dark about things unless they are communicating through the mod inboxes.

I know staff have their own little forum to discuss banned members in secret, but maybe it is time to declassify it and make it an open forum so that the banned members can plead their case directly with ALL not just ONE staff member, in an open format (not visible to the rest of the public).
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And the plot thickens...the staff does not have threads to discuss banned memebers only the global mods do actually site staff have really no say in the perma ban decision process its between globals and admins, although there are report re-reg threads in certain forms....but I'd like to apply for the position of local mod, after all I have been perma banned as well as site staff and i have previous moding experience as I modded the rented megaman forum before. What i bring to the table is compassion and a fair understanding of what merits what type of ban/punishment, and i have a better understanding of the sites rules and what roles each member of the staff is supposed to play 
And the plot thickens...the staff does not have threads to discuss banned memebers only the global mods do actually site staff have really no say in the perma ban decision process its between globals and admins, although there are report re-reg threads in certain forms....but I'd like to apply for the position of local mod, after all I have been perma banned as well as site staff and i have previous moding experience as I modded the rented megaman forum before. What i bring to the table is compassion and a fair understanding of what merits what type of ban/punishment, and i have a better understanding of the sites rules and what roles each member of the staff is supposed to play 
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Before submitting this reply, I want to point out and make it known that I started reading this thread at around 07:42 AM and I'm now submitting my reply at 10:00 AM. I had breakfast in between that time, which took maybe 15 minutes, and also made modifications to a feature and made a thread to go along with it which maybe took a total of 20 minutes. But my point is, I might not always get around to stuff on the community because a lot of things are time consuming when it involves the forum. Having to read so many large posts, having to type up a response and to reply to as many users as possible, all without upsetting someone, is very time consuming. When you consider that I only have around 20 hours a week to invest into the site, spending time reading and responding to stuff adds up really fast. I'm not sure how I ended up spending 1 1/2 hours reading and replying to the latest replies of this thread but I am making it known that I took the time to think about and consider everything that I read. Another example of something that is time consuming is responding to all of the messages I get from users via Facebook, Skype, Discord, etc and by email. I do these things because I care about this site and its users but I think a lot of users don't consider the time that goes into the 'behind the scenes' type stuff.

It saddens me that I don't get to responding to Private Messages for weeks or sometimes even months but ultimately that's because it's probably the most time consuming thing to tackle, having to go through 1000s of Private Messages. Some PMs are quick to take care of and only require a few minutes but then there are some PMs that are big or require a big response or require me to look into something or sometimes even involve me to have to take care of something, and tackling just a few of those types of PMs could be an entire day of work just like that.

Anyways, probably sounds like I'm ranting now lol. My last point is that since my focus is more on the forum and its community now, I'll now be prioritizing anything that involves interactions with the users and any feature that benefits the forum



JigSaw : Those features were time consuming but were built over the course of months and years. This is something that needs to be done sooner rather than later since I don't want to go too long without having moderators on the site. Plus, those features were mostly built during years that I didn't have to work a full time job outside of Vizzed and so my schedule is a lot more busy now days.

Since my time is limited now days, it's more efficient for my time to be invested into things that no one else can do which would be development related stuff. I plan to have a bigger role in the hiring process and staff management process but being completely in charge of that stuff is very time consuming and sometimes stressful.

Another thing worth pointing out (and this is nowhere near the primary reason for me doing it this way) is that if I was completely in charge of the hiring process, people who didn't agree with who got hired would be mad at me and when users are mad at me, they generally take it out on the site. This way the community itself has to share the blame and I don't have to worry about being everyone's favorite scapegoat

Ultimately I have the final say in who gets promoted. If someone who obviously shouldn't be a moderator gets voted in, I'd overrule it. But I trust the community enough to not have something terrible happen like that. I think enough people on this site want to see this site return to its glory days.

I'm not offended, I like feedback and criticism as long as it's productive criticism and not an excuse to be rude by attacking or offending


m0ssb3rg935 : Exactly. Also worth pointing out is that if the new team of mods fail, I can just make alterations to the team. It's not a permanent team and I don't want anyone to take for granted their position. I'm pretty optimistic about it.


legacyme3 : You bring up some great points and also you've reminded me why I started this forum in the first place. I wanted a family friendly community where users could relax and feel free to have fun. A lot of the users that came to this forum initially (we're talking the very original Vizzed Board from 2002) were users that were banned from another acmlm board, either because they weren't liked or because they broke a few silly rules and weren't forgiven.

Real life is too serious. Real life is too stressful. I've always wanted Vizzed to be that cyber home where users can go to escape and have fun. For some users, it's developing friendships to compensate for the lack of social life in their own life. For others, it's letting go of responsibilities or other serious garbage by just being goofy or by expressing their wacky and creative side. Either way, I think it's good for this site to adapt to the needs of the users and to offer users what they want. Obviously the site still needs to have rules in order to prevent users from exploiting the site in some way and to prevent users from being bullied by others but I'm definitely open to ideas for the forum that allows Vizzed the primary mental escape for the members of this community.


guido222 : I would be open to the idea of adjusting the duration required for a thread to be auto-closed but I still want there to be an auto-closing feature and threads do need to be closed when they've gone a very long time without replies. This site has over 100,000 threads and so it'd be a disaster to have countless threads being bumped when the topic is no longer relevant or when the thread creator is no longer active. If you see a thread that you want to reply to that's really old but closed, the best idea would be to just create a new topic based on it. But I do agree with you regarding the thread auto-close feature. It has closed some threads that I felt like were still relevant and maybe the auto-close feature could be more lenient especially now with posting activity not nearly as high as it use to be.

Ok so you inspired me so much, I went ahead and modified the thread auto-close script . You can read about my update here:
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=101051


geeogree : I think you took on too much and held a position longer than what your personal life allowed. I'd be supportive of you to have a moderator position though, or at very least just a Local Mod position so that you could have more of an impact in decisions among the staff that impact the community. And if you pass for now, there will always be opportunities in the future


Light Knight : Yes . It is so mentally exhausting to be in charge of an entire site and to be responsible for when things go wrong. Even more so when I hear about and know about groups of users who hate the site or hate me for various reasons. Some of those reasons are fair but most are poor accusations or a misunderstanding of my intentions. It's even more frustrating when lies are spread about me and I have no opportunity to defend myself . I do what I can with the limited time and budget I have now days and sometimes I struggle with prioritizing things properly but I am finally trying to at least reconnect with the users and involve them more in the decision making around here. It usually takes a lot of energy and ambition to take on anything that involves users (even more so when lacking sleep or having to deal with problems in real life), especially since that usually involves having to please as many people as possible, read and respond to every question or concern, and risk having to deal with anger and criticism, which I don't do well with.

I'm greatly affected by users hating me or making fun of me, even when I step away from my computer, it continues to haunt me. But users like yourself make that burden so much more bearable when they're understanding and respectful .


m0ssb3rg935 : I haven't decided yet how the voting process will take place. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.


JigSaw : The site features are what bring new users to this site, which is why I've prioritized site features over the past few years. Forum features and my involvement with the community is what helps keep active forum users on this site. So it's all about finding a good balance of both things. I think I'm slowly getting there though.

I do like where you're going with the idea of how a banned users is handled. More often than not, a banned user or the banned user's friends don't know why that user was banned. Sometimes the banned user will lie to their friends or only give their side of the story. Having the reason more public can avoid backlash Also, I think it'd be a good idea to have multiple moderators involved with the communication with a banned user rather than it be just 1 user. When I've got myself caught up with the higher priority stuff, I'll revisit this idea and see what I can come up with.
Before submitting this reply, I want to point out and make it known that I started reading this thread at around 07:42 AM and I'm now submitting my reply at 10:00 AM. I had breakfast in between that time, which took maybe 15 minutes, and also made modifications to a feature and made a thread to go along with it which maybe took a total of 20 minutes. But my point is, I might not always get around to stuff on the community because a lot of things are time consuming when it involves the forum. Having to read so many large posts, having to type up a response and to reply to as many users as possible, all without upsetting someone, is very time consuming. When you consider that I only have around 20 hours a week to invest into the site, spending time reading and responding to stuff adds up really fast. I'm not sure how I ended up spending 1 1/2 hours reading and replying to the latest replies of this thread but I am making it known that I took the time to think about and consider everything that I read. Another example of something that is time consuming is responding to all of the messages I get from users via Facebook, Skype, Discord, etc and by email. I do these things because I care about this site and its users but I think a lot of users don't consider the time that goes into the 'behind the scenes' type stuff.

It saddens me that I don't get to responding to Private Messages for weeks or sometimes even months but ultimately that's because it's probably the most time consuming thing to tackle, having to go through 1000s of Private Messages. Some PMs are quick to take care of and only require a few minutes but then there are some PMs that are big or require a big response or require me to look into something or sometimes even involve me to have to take care of something, and tackling just a few of those types of PMs could be an entire day of work just like that.

Anyways, probably sounds like I'm ranting now lol. My last point is that since my focus is more on the forum and its community now, I'll now be prioritizing anything that involves interactions with the users and any feature that benefits the forum



JigSaw : Those features were time consuming but were built over the course of months and years. This is something that needs to be done sooner rather than later since I don't want to go too long without having moderators on the site. Plus, those features were mostly built during years that I didn't have to work a full time job outside of Vizzed and so my schedule is a lot more busy now days.

Since my time is limited now days, it's more efficient for my time to be invested into things that no one else can do which would be development related stuff. I plan to have a bigger role in the hiring process and staff management process but being completely in charge of that stuff is very time consuming and sometimes stressful.

Another thing worth pointing out (and this is nowhere near the primary reason for me doing it this way) is that if I was completely in charge of the hiring process, people who didn't agree with who got hired would be mad at me and when users are mad at me, they generally take it out on the site. This way the community itself has to share the blame and I don't have to worry about being everyone's favorite scapegoat

Ultimately I have the final say in who gets promoted. If someone who obviously shouldn't be a moderator gets voted in, I'd overrule it. But I trust the community enough to not have something terrible happen like that. I think enough people on this site want to see this site return to its glory days.

I'm not offended, I like feedback and criticism as long as it's productive criticism and not an excuse to be rude by attacking or offending


m0ssb3rg935 : Exactly. Also worth pointing out is that if the new team of mods fail, I can just make alterations to the team. It's not a permanent team and I don't want anyone to take for granted their position. I'm pretty optimistic about it.


legacyme3 : You bring up some great points and also you've reminded me why I started this forum in the first place. I wanted a family friendly community where users could relax and feel free to have fun. A lot of the users that came to this forum initially (we're talking the very original Vizzed Board from 2002) were users that were banned from another acmlm board, either because they weren't liked or because they broke a few silly rules and weren't forgiven.

Real life is too serious. Real life is too stressful. I've always wanted Vizzed to be that cyber home where users can go to escape and have fun. For some users, it's developing friendships to compensate for the lack of social life in their own life. For others, it's letting go of responsibilities or other serious garbage by just being goofy or by expressing their wacky and creative side. Either way, I think it's good for this site to adapt to the needs of the users and to offer users what they want. Obviously the site still needs to have rules in order to prevent users from exploiting the site in some way and to prevent users from being bullied by others but I'm definitely open to ideas for the forum that allows Vizzed the primary mental escape for the members of this community.


guido222 : I would be open to the idea of adjusting the duration required for a thread to be auto-closed but I still want there to be an auto-closing feature and threads do need to be closed when they've gone a very long time without replies. This site has over 100,000 threads and so it'd be a disaster to have countless threads being bumped when the topic is no longer relevant or when the thread creator is no longer active. If you see a thread that you want to reply to that's really old but closed, the best idea would be to just create a new topic based on it. But I do agree with you regarding the thread auto-close feature. It has closed some threads that I felt like were still relevant and maybe the auto-close feature could be more lenient especially now with posting activity not nearly as high as it use to be.

Ok so you inspired me so much, I went ahead and modified the thread auto-close script . You can read about my update here:
https://www.vizzed.com/boards/thread.php?id=101051


geeogree : I think you took on too much and held a position longer than what your personal life allowed. I'd be supportive of you to have a moderator position though, or at very least just a Local Mod position so that you could have more of an impact in decisions among the staff that impact the community. And if you pass for now, there will always be opportunities in the future


Light Knight : Yes . It is so mentally exhausting to be in charge of an entire site and to be responsible for when things go wrong. Even more so when I hear about and know about groups of users who hate the site or hate me for various reasons. Some of those reasons are fair but most are poor accusations or a misunderstanding of my intentions. It's even more frustrating when lies are spread about me and I have no opportunity to defend myself . I do what I can with the limited time and budget I have now days and sometimes I struggle with prioritizing things properly but I am finally trying to at least reconnect with the users and involve them more in the decision making around here. It usually takes a lot of energy and ambition to take on anything that involves users (even more so when lacking sleep or having to deal with problems in real life), especially since that usually involves having to please as many people as possible, read and respond to every question or concern, and risk having to deal with anger and criticism, which I don't do well with.

I'm greatly affected by users hating me or making fun of me, even when I step away from my computer, it continues to haunt me. But users like yourself make that burden so much more bearable when they're understanding and respectful .


m0ssb3rg935 : I haven't decided yet how the voting process will take place. I guess we'll find out tomorrow.


JigSaw : The site features are what bring new users to this site, which is why I've prioritized site features over the past few years. Forum features and my involvement with the community is what helps keep active forum users on this site. So it's all about finding a good balance of both things. I think I'm slowly getting there though.

I do like where you're going with the idea of how a banned users is handled. More often than not, a banned user or the banned user's friends don't know why that user was banned. Sometimes the banned user will lie to their friends or only give their side of the story. Having the reason more public can avoid backlash Also, I think it'd be a good idea to have multiple moderators involved with the communication with a banned user rather than it be just 1 user. When I've got myself caught up with the higher priority stuff, I'll revisit this idea and see what I can come up with.
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Davideo7 : I completely agree. I did take on too much for at least some of the time I was a global or admin. I see more contribution to me more in keeping the forum active and an older/experienced perspective of the site and forums in general and dealing with tough situations. We'll see what other people think of me applying but I figure I can offer things of value without investing as much time as I did before.
Davideo7 : I completely agree. I did take on too much for at least some of the time I was a global or admin. I see more contribution to me more in keeping the forum active and an older/experienced perspective of the site and forums in general and dealing with tough situations. We'll see what other people think of me applying but I figure I can offer things of value without investing as much time as I did before.
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Even if I don't get the votes needed to join the mod team, I'm still going to try and be more active from here on. Not to the extent that I was back in 2016, but still active nevertheless.

If not then I'm crossing my fingers that maybe there'll be some staff openings at some point, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
Even if I don't get the votes needed to join the mod team, I'm still going to try and be more active from here on. Not to the extent that I was back in 2016, but still active nevertheless.

If not then I'm crossing my fingers that maybe there'll be some staff openings at some point, but I'm not getting my hopes up.
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gamerforlifeforever :

If I recall correctly David said he was thinking of doing something similar to this with some of the Site Staff. Considering a lot of them went inactive it'd be only natural to change some things up with the Site Staff although I'm not sure if demoting all of them would be the best way to do it. I would prefer demoting the inactive ones and try to find people to fill in their spots or something akin to that. But in the end, it is David's call.
gamerforlifeforever :

If I recall correctly David said he was thinking of doing something similar to this with some of the Site Staff. Considering a lot of them went inactive it'd be only natural to change some things up with the Site Staff although I'm not sure if demoting all of them would be the best way to do it. I would prefer demoting the inactive ones and try to find people to fill in their spots or something akin to that. But in the end, it is David's call.
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Can I just throw it out there that, should he decide to restructure the current staff, he shouldn't can everyone out of the blue. Just a little suggestion... I feel some may not be as understanding or analytical of the situation.

EDIT - Nevermind, Lex already said it.
Can I just throw it out there that, should he decide to restructure the current staff, he shouldn't can everyone out of the blue. Just a little suggestion... I feel some may not be as understanding or analytical of the situation.

EDIT - Nevermind, Lex already said it.
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(edited by m0ssb3rg935 on 12-05-18 09:13 PM)    

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