Lexatom :
guideo222:

Guido22 is a new user with only a few posts yet is posing as someone who has been here for years. So yea, you are trying to manipulate and mislead folks with your rogue account.

I see someone in your inner circle cleverly altered Davids threads (Theme Creator and Live Twitch Stream) and put "#FreeYoshi #FreePokaMocha." as subtitles on them. Maybe David did it as a joke? If not, it's more proof of manipulation your social group is doing to cause harm on the community. And it does not stop there, you got legacyme3 posting staff application for a banned member yoshi. But wait, it gets better. People are voting for him in masses in the vizzed awards. But wait, it gets even better from there because these same people will try to vote him into Vizzed office!

Nothing against yoshi, but you people trying to help him out are part of the problem, you are drama queens. How about you go directly to David next time instead of running around tampering with thread titles, rigging votes, creating phantom vizzed accounts and stupid revival threads just to get your voice heard to #freeyoshi. Some decent staff members probably lost their job because of your nonsense and it is all because one person getting banned.

If I may give my opinion of something Davideo7, I do think 10 moderators is a little much. I honestly like the ideas of having more Globals. I can't tell you how many times, as a local moderator, I was not able to fix something in a forum I didn't mod. Sometimes the other local moderator of that forum wasn't active for the rest of the day, and the thread just sat there. Might I suggest having the local mods RESPONSIBLE for certain forums, but also able to edit all forums? Just a suggestion. 

I want to start out by apologizing to the moderators that I demoted. This was nothing against them, I'm not saying the previous moderators were bad. I ultimately think the moderators need a new purpose and also a somewhat different direction. Most of the demoted moderators will more than likely become moderators again, and I'll even support them by also voting for them, but they'll come back with a new goal and purpose and be part of an actual team this time.


There are 2 reasons why I've chosen to promote 10 Local Mods.

1. 2 of those Local Mods will soon be promoted to Global. Something I didn't mention was that eventually 2 people out of that original 10 will become Admins and then probably 2 or 3 will become Globals which would lead us to having 2 admins, 3 globals, 5 locals from that 10.

2. As I'm restructuring the Mods, I'm also kind of repurposing them. Obviously there's barely enough activity at the moment for just 1 moderator but I'm hoping to have a new strategy plan with the team of moderators and that's how I'm viewing this group of mods that will be hired, a team. Moderating the forum will only be a small portion of what the mods will do, the bigger purpose is to work together to get the site active. You need a team of users to help make a forum active and successful, it's really hard to do for just 1 or 2 users.



EX Palen : The due date is soon because I want to get those spots filled sooner rather than later. The longer it takes to have the spots, the longer this site goes without any moderators. I kinda leave the Site Staff up to tRIUNE but maybe after restructuring the Moderators, I can tackle that as well.


IgorBird122 : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


Zlinqx : If there aren't, then I'd select less than 10. Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


Furret : A fresh start allows for us to structure a whole new battle plan.


legacyme3 : I think the adult users will have more impact than the younger users with the voting.

A fresh start gives everyone an equal shot at helping out Vizzed. This includes newer users who have yet to make a name for themselves but are completely committed to this site. This also includes veteran users who haven't been around much but would love to see Vizzed get back to its glory days and are willing to help out with that goal.

The 10 users shouldn't necessarily be chosen based on who knows the community best or who is most knowledgeable. Some of the 10 could be based on that but I also want users who are ambitious and are willing to put in the time to help revive this site.


Zlinqx : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods. Ultimately I want to get users interested in this site again and I want to get everyone involved. I'm excited to see where this takes us because the other option was to let the site continue to die.


Lexatom : Well I am trying to repurpose the Mods as more of a team rather than a police force. But if that still doesn't interest you, I definitely think I'll do the same thing with the Site Staff at some point.


becerra95 : Favoritism is a far bigger factor when the mods are chosen by a very small group of people. When the mods are chosen from many users, it's far less likely that people will be chosen based on favoritism. Come on, we gotta work together at being positive because positivity allows a forum to flourish while negativity is a contagious plague that'll kill its members.


supernerd117 : Out of any concern, that would be my biggest concern; who will vote. It's important that we have a lot of people voting if we want the best users for the forum chosen. If I need to, I can extend the deadline for voting. I can also find other compromises when the time comes.


Zlinqx : I think election tampering will be obvious. If I don't detect it, hopefully at least others will. I could also choose to make the voting exclusive to Trusted Users and up.


Light Knight : I completely agree with your concern. Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.


JigSaw : Refer to what I posted above for my reason to select 10 local mods.

There's been a temporary increase in activity because of this radical decision but maybe it's the spark that Vizzed needed. A new direction, a fresh start, a new purpose for the mod team. The only other option was to let the forum finally die and that to me was not an option.

There's a lot of groups of users on this site who don't like each other and it's sad. But hopefully this new direction will bring together the community and help us focus on what we all have in common, which is an appreciation for what this site is (or use to be). Most of these groups of friends became friends because of Vizzed and with that said, I imagine that the majority of veteran users would love to see Vizzed back to where it use to be.

The 'good old days of vizzed' is different for everyone. It's a matter of opinion. If you were to ask many users, some may say it was 10 years ago. Others might say it was 5 years ago, or 2. But why not all work together and make the good old days now.

"The 'good old days of vizzed' is different for everyone. It's a matter of opinion. If you were to ask many users, some may say it was 10 years ago. Others might say it was 5 years ago, or 2. But why not all work together and make the good old days now. "

Great quote.

Davideo7 : I really love the idea of having the mods work as a team instead of just a few people policing the board. I'm looking forward to seeing what that will look like. 

Davideo7 : It's a rigged election (now I sound like Donald Trump) but it is true. All the good folks will go unnoticed because they may not have as many friends and connections as some of the other people do. These people are not going to vote based on credibility, they are going to vote based on whether they are good pals or not. This will NOT fix your community crisis going on right now. Based on what I am seeing I already know who they are going to prop up into office (they are already spamming up the site with their chosen one).

If this election goes anything like what I am witnessing in the Vizzed Awards, I really do feel sorry for the future of this site. I would have suggested people sending in anonymous applications so we don't know whose name is attached to each one but there is one big problem with that idea, these people are friends with one another on discord and they will conspire with one another and cheat in the voting process to get them elected just like they are doing currently in the vizzed awards.

If I were you, I'd hand pick them myself to avoid voter fraud. That way there is only one person to blame (you) instead of the entire community, which by the way is divided and clearly not capable of voting fairly.

Considering what you've done before, Jigsaw, I don't think you have the right to call Guido a disgruntled member lol

Davideo7 : Yeah, never really thought about that. that sounds like a reasonable number.

Light Knight : Yeah, a lot of people has claimed their peak as being the "Good Old Days" of Vizzed, but if we all buckle down and work together on the same page, we might end up bring back that Good Old Day

JigSaw: I will agree with you, personally, when people votes for the mods and such, they have to go by on how much they will do for the site, not because he/she is very popular. Plus, it's better to not have someone you adore to claim the spots, because what happens that you break a rule, and that mod has to respond to that situation? It's not going to end well, trust me.


Remember Folks, when you vote, make sure you vote for someone that will put in a lot of time and effort towards Vizzed and don't vote for someone because of their popularity. Who knows, you might like the person, but won't do a great job on Vizzed, that is going to lead to disaster.

Davideo7 : I understand, David, I love the decision too. I worded my sentence the wrong way, was meaning to say I personally don't believe I am qualified in any way to be a moderator, but a Site Staff position does seem neat to me. Sorry about the confusion.

JigSaw : You are very much in the wrong here. The people who I know are voting for users like Yoshi are voting for him because he has shown in the past that he is responsible and is very much qualified for the job. Don't forget that he was once a local moderator for about a year. Please stop trying to turn this into another dramatic incident and making it look like it's a rigged election, we are just trying to make Vizzed a better place than what it has been recently. 

Lexatom : It was probably my fault for the confusion, I didn't properly convey what I wanted to say lol


JigSaw : How is that situation any different than now though? Currently, the small staff decides who gets to join the staff.

I could choose to handpick them myself but there's too many problems with that. I'll name a few:

1. That's time consuming for me to have to go through all of the applications, read them all, consider them all, compare them to each other, look into any selling points that users brought up, etc.

2. If I pick the wrong team for the job, I get blamed. If the community picks the wrong team, they themselves can share the blame.

3. There's going to be far more users that I'd overlook compared to the overall population of this community. I mean could you imagine if the government had a system where a single person picks the President and all of the Mayors, Governors, etc.

4. I want this community to be more like a democracy and less like a dictatorship. Giving the community involved lets their voices be heard and gives them the power to help out the site. I also think that when staff members get comfortable in their position and don't fear losing it, they get lazy. I want users who are right for the job now, not users who should be right for the job or would have been right for the job months or years ago. Users change and so do their schedules. Ambition and motivation also changes. Even I go through periods of time when life gets too busy or I feel burned out by the responsibilities and drama. Unfortunately for me, I can't just step down and come back later but I want to give that opportunity to the staff. They should step down when they're unable to continue contributing to the site but they should also have an opportunity to come back when things start to turn around for them.

Davideo7 :

"If I pick the wrong team for the job, I get blamed. If the community picks the wrong team, they themselves can share the blame."

So essentially, you want to rid yourself of any and all responsibility as a leader and instead want the community to run the show? That sounds like a really good plan until you realize we are in this mess for that very reason, a divided community and failed leadership. And you expect this same divided community to prop up new officials to run the show fairly and equally? I don't think so. Look, you had no choice but to fire everyone. But the least you could do is think of a better solution to electing officials on Vizzed that does not favor individuals based on their buddy status with one another.

"That's time consuming for me to have to go through all of the applications, read them all, consider them all, compare them to each other, look into any selling points that users brought up, etc."

Was the RGR too time consuming? Was the VGR too time consuming? Was any feature you made on this site too time consuming? What makes this any different then other parts of the site? By saying it is too much effort leads me to believe you are not as passionate about fixing this place up as you are leading others to believe. You are basically expecting this divided community to fix itself while you rid yourself of responsibilities that come with being a leader.

Do you want to be a leader anymore? Or are you giving up on it and hoping the community can do it for you? I don't think it is possible when there is clearly two groups of people angry at one another.

Feel free to ban me if I offended you, I am only trying to help you. There are going to be winners and losers no matter what so good luck either way.

JigSaw :

As I said before, I think most, if not all of us here are at least mature enough to know that we shouldn't pick moderators based on how much we enjoy being friends with them. It's common sense to vote for people who are notably qualified and responsible enough to help out with the site. We are trying to FIX Vizzed, not destroy and kill it even more than before.

JigSaw : all the features you cite were debeloped when he had the option to do this full time. He doesn't anymore. He'd probably rather be doing this than what he does, but the guy's gotta keep his house. And I also understand what he means when he says he doesn't want to hand pick because the blame will be his. He probably feels like his effort to try and fix things are under appreciated.

Just so you know, I think you're right about how this election's gonna go. I feel like this is David's test to see if the community can be mended or if it's even worth trying. He wants the community to find enough common ground to make the place enjoyanle. Is that optimistic? Yeah. To a fault even? Perhaps. I feel it's unlikely, but I think I understand where he's coming from and I'm glad he's goving it a shot.

JigSaw :

I wanted to clear up one of your misconceptions...

They didn't "get" me to do anything. I'm the one who suggested that yoshirulez! send an application to me, and I would post it for him, because, as I stated in the other thread, I think his ban is BS. Just like I think the permas for every user in that thread were over the top (OK, except for maybe one or two).

I don't want to get into specifics, but if we're doing this for the reasons of BOOSTING ACTIVITY, I think we need people here who actually WANT TO BE ACTIVE. It doesn't really matter what quality of content there is, because at this point, having both quantity and quality is simply not going to happen, because the users capable of doing both for long periods of time, have grown up, migrated elsewhere, or become disenfranchised with the current state of Vizzed.

In a way, I think everyone in Pizza Time should be forgiven, and given the chance to come back, if they even want to, because they showed at the core of Vizzed, what the people want. The people want stupid fun. They don't want to be a bunch of stuffy adults on a boring forum. They want to be kids, and this is what today's kids do. Is it stupid? Yes. Is it reprehensible? I dunno, morality is subjective in the first place. Not my call, and I don't think it should be yours either. That's going to be dependent on the community, and their values, since they are the ones choosing ALL of the moderators this time around.

I gave yoshi a chance, because in his own way, I truly believe he means well, and that he stands for what the community currently values, and is most likely to bring in any kind of activity.

I'd make the argument that this is a little too late for any real activity to come back. Forget golden days, and when they happen, too much time has passed from when the site was super active, for the site to rebound to what anyone is hoping or expecting. Instead of the focus being on "getting it back to where it was", I think the focus should be on making the forum more fun for those presently here. When new users see other users having fun, they will be more likely to participate in the community.

Is yoshirulez! the right choice for this? I can't pretend to say I know the answer to that. But in my own way, I'm supporting what I believe to be a possibility that leads to activity. A possibility that is no less morally sound than any of the other choices at present. Because in this case, morality is going to be decided by the community. Until that vote passes, we cannot say for sure what the community believes is right or wrong.

It's worth noting that we'll be needing more than 1 moderator as we have many forums and many of those forums has a lot of threads that auto-closed (if not all of them at this point)

With that in mind, opening up all of those threads means that we'll need extra moderators to keep track of them, and it'll also promote plenty of healthy activity.

In the future maybe we could turn off auto-close and activity is more important than people bumping old threads. Besides, there's essentially nothing wrong with bumping old threads. If moderators are to do their job, they should be given the task of closing threads that are outdated (in the sense that the topic is no longer relevant to modern day. if it's a discussion on something subjective it should most likely be left open if you want my opinion.) This would eliminate any need for an auto-close feature and would mean that activity wouldn't be hindered by the feature.

I hope David considers that in the future.

When I first heard about this I was almost wanting to apply because I feel like I could do a MUCH better job this time around than I ever did before.

I just don't know if I could step back into things here. So much history and I doubt anyone would trust me to do it "right" this time around.

I'm surprised by the applicant turnout... I'm not sure if I should take that as an interest in reuniting or evidence of further division. In either case, this is definitely going to be a telling event. Arguments are getting kinduh heated in here and I really hope we can all try to take a step back and be civil.

m0ssb3rg935 : well, given that David is wanting 10 moderators, it would be more alarming if the applicant turnout was low.

Light Knight : With David's schedule both on and off of Vizzed, it can be quite stressful on him, and he can't really handle on the whole mod selection himself combined with other stuff in his life, which is why we have the power to vote for people in as Mods (Locals and Globals)


m0ssb3rg935 : We got 15 users that has already applied, but I do agree, this is going to be quite interesting to see on what transpired on the 5th.

How exactly are we voting for the candidates, anyway? Are we doing it by poll like last time or do we have something else in mind?