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Yesterday we learned who got elected into Major League Baseball's Hall of fame. 4 players where elected by the baseball writers: Jim Thome, Chipper Jones, Vlad Guerrero and Trevor Hoffman. Those are great choices and those 4 deserve to be in. However I want to discuss and offer my own take on the balloting. In my opinion two players got snubbed once again. 

Here are the rest of the results of the balloting (players need 75% to get in the HOF) 

Edgar Martinez 70% 9th year on ballot. Next year will be Edgar's last chance on the ballot. If he does not make it in next year then he will have to get in by the players committee (Veterans committee). Edgar was snubbed again. It is a shame it has taken this long for him to even come close. Edgar played at DH which has hurt him. But look at his career stats:  312 batting average, 309 home runs, 514 doubles, 1261 runs batted in, and a war value of 68. Edgar has similar numbers to hall of fame first basemen Jeff Bagwell. 

Mike Mussina 63% of votes 5th year on the ballot. Mussina has plenty of time to get voted into the Hall his numbers are on the right track. Mussinna was one of baseballs most consistent pitchers in the 90's and 2000's.  For his career Mike produced a record of 270-153 record with an ERA of 3.68. His War value of 83 is very high for a pitcher. His 3.68 era has hurt him but look at the era he played in. He pitched in an era where guys were hitting lots of home runs due to steroids. Jack Morris which had similar stats got elected by the players committee) So Mike should eventually get in. 

Curt Schilling 51% of votes  6th year on ballot. Schilling has been snubbed the past three years. A lot of that has to do with overcrowding on the ballot and Schillings politics. Schilling has rubbed writers the wrong way by his political views. That should not keep a player out of the Hall. Schilling was a very good pitcher in the 1990's and 2000's. For a career he had a 246-149 record, a 3.46 era which is good considering the era he played in, and a war value of 79.9. 

Larry Walker 34% 8th year on the ballot. Walker has only two more years left to make into the Hall. Mathematically he would need a huge jump to get in. It is looking likely that Walker will have to get in by the players committee. Larry Walker career starts include: 313 batting average,  2160 hits, 383 home runs, 1,311 runs batted in, a war value of 72 and some gold gloves. So why has Walker not gotten more votes. A lot of the writers have overlooked Walker because he played 11 years at Coors Field. Coors Field is a hitters paradise as it increases players offense. However, you have to be a good hitter to have the seasons Walker had. Even away from Coors walker was a good hitter. 

Scott Rolen 10% 1st year on ballot. Rolen does not get the credit he deserves. It is a shame he only got 10% on his first ballot. The good news is he qualifies to appear next year. Rolen should be in the hall of fame. But only getting 10% really hurts him getting in eventually by the writers. He would need to really jump every year to get close. Rolen has a career 281 batting average, 316 home runs, 1,287 runs batted in, and a war value of 70. From 1997-2007 Rolen was one of the best third basemen in the game. What hurt him was the last 5 years of his career he was hit with injuries. Rolen with numbers like that should have gotten more than 10%. 

Okay here is my opinion on Bonds and Clemens. 

Both got 55 and 56% of the vote and both have 4 more chances to get voted in the hall of fame. Chances are decent they get voted in. But should they. My opinion no they should not. Both Clemens and Bonds have been linked to steroids. Also there is strong evidence they used them. I feel like if these two get voted in its a slap in the face to the great game. Because it will send the message if you cheat to earn your stats you can get in. Bonds and Clemens records are tainted. 

If Clemens and Bonds do get into the hall of fame which very well could happen. I think it is time Baseball lets Pete Rose back in. I mean if baseball is going to allow steroid users to get in then its time to say okay Pete Rose did gamble but he has been punished enough. If your going to keep Rose out then keep the steroid users out. 

Anyway this is my take of the 2018 hall of fame balloting. There were ever players who got decent votes but too many to lists. Next year's class will include first timers all time closer Rivera (he will get in) and Todd Helton who has a good argument with Bagwell getting in. 
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Yesterday we learned who got elected into Major League Baseball's Hall of fame. 4 players where elected by the baseball writers: Jim Thome, Chipper Jones, Vlad Guerrero and Trevor Hoffman. Those are great choices and those 4 deserve to be in. However I want to discuss and offer my own take on the balloting. In my opinion two players got snubbed once again. 

Here are the rest of the results of the balloting (players need 75% to get in the HOF) 

Edgar Martinez 70% 9th year on ballot. Next year will be Edgar's last chance on the ballot. If he does not make it in next year then he will have to get in by the players committee (Veterans committee). Edgar was snubbed again. It is a shame it has taken this long for him to even come close. Edgar played at DH which has hurt him. But look at his career stats:  312 batting average, 309 home runs, 514 doubles, 1261 runs batted in, and a war value of 68. Edgar has similar numbers to hall of fame first basemen Jeff Bagwell. 

Mike Mussina 63% of votes 5th year on the ballot. Mussina has plenty of time to get voted into the Hall his numbers are on the right track. Mussinna was one of baseballs most consistent pitchers in the 90's and 2000's.  For his career Mike produced a record of 270-153 record with an ERA of 3.68. His War value of 83 is very high for a pitcher. His 3.68 era has hurt him but look at the era he played in. He pitched in an era where guys were hitting lots of home runs due to steroids. Jack Morris which had similar stats got elected by the players committee) So Mike should eventually get in. 

Curt Schilling 51% of votes  6th year on ballot. Schilling has been snubbed the past three years. A lot of that has to do with overcrowding on the ballot and Schillings politics. Schilling has rubbed writers the wrong way by his political views. That should not keep a player out of the Hall. Schilling was a very good pitcher in the 1990's and 2000's. For a career he had a 246-149 record, a 3.46 era which is good considering the era he played in, and a war value of 79.9. 

Larry Walker 34% 8th year on the ballot. Walker has only two more years left to make into the Hall. Mathematically he would need a huge jump to get in. It is looking likely that Walker will have to get in by the players committee. Larry Walker career starts include: 313 batting average,  2160 hits, 383 home runs, 1,311 runs batted in, a war value of 72 and some gold gloves. So why has Walker not gotten more votes. A lot of the writers have overlooked Walker because he played 11 years at Coors Field. Coors Field is a hitters paradise as it increases players offense. However, you have to be a good hitter to have the seasons Walker had. Even away from Coors walker was a good hitter. 

Scott Rolen 10% 1st year on ballot. Rolen does not get the credit he deserves. It is a shame he only got 10% on his first ballot. The good news is he qualifies to appear next year. Rolen should be in the hall of fame. But only getting 10% really hurts him getting in eventually by the writers. He would need to really jump every year to get close. Rolen has a career 281 batting average, 316 home runs, 1,287 runs batted in, and a war value of 70. From 1997-2007 Rolen was one of the best third basemen in the game. What hurt him was the last 5 years of his career he was hit with injuries. Rolen with numbers like that should have gotten more than 10%. 

Okay here is my opinion on Bonds and Clemens. 

Both got 55 and 56% of the vote and both have 4 more chances to get voted in the hall of fame. Chances are decent they get voted in. But should they. My opinion no they should not. Both Clemens and Bonds have been linked to steroids. Also there is strong evidence they used them. I feel like if these two get voted in its a slap in the face to the great game. Because it will send the message if you cheat to earn your stats you can get in. Bonds and Clemens records are tainted. 

If Clemens and Bonds do get into the hall of fame which very well could happen. I think it is time Baseball lets Pete Rose back in. I mean if baseball is going to allow steroid users to get in then its time to say okay Pete Rose did gamble but he has been punished enough. If your going to keep Rose out then keep the steroid users out. 

Anyway this is my take of the 2018 hall of fame balloting. There were ever players who got decent votes but too many to lists. Next year's class will include first timers all time closer Rivera (he will get in) and Todd Helton who has a good argument with Bagwell getting in. 
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EDGAR WAS ROBBED, AGAIN!!! RIOTS IN THE STREETS! 
Happy that Chipper Jones got in. I remember watching him as a kid on TV. Great guy, class act. 
EDGAR WAS ROBBED, AGAIN!!! RIOTS IN THE STREETS! 
Happy that Chipper Jones got in. I remember watching him as a kid on TV. Great guy, class act. 
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Personally I think Bonds should be able to get in based on the numbers that he already had before he started using steroids. I think it said he already had a little more than 400 home runs at that point? So had he not started using them and finished nowhere near where he has, he could have easily made it in anyway.


It's only a matter of time before Schilling makes it in. Out of 16 3,000 Strikeout pitchers, he's the only one to not be elected
Personally I think Bonds should be able to get in based on the numbers that he already had before he started using steroids. I think it said he already had a little more than 400 home runs at that point? So had he not started using them and finished nowhere near where he has, he could have easily made it in anyway.


It's only a matter of time before Schilling makes it in. Out of 16 3,000 Strikeout pitchers, he's the only one to not be elected
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If bonds had not taken steroids he would have been a lock he was a very good hitter before he took the juice as you pointed out. Schilling should have already been in but a lot of writers cannot stand his politics. I think a person's political believes should not go against them in the Hall of fame. I mean Ty Cobb was a hardcore racists and he got in. 

Next year Riveria and the late Roy Halladay will appear on the ballots. Those two should get a lot of votes. Edgar is so close to getting enshrined into the Hall of fame. If he does not make it next year he should get in by the players committee. 
If bonds had not taken steroids he would have been a lock he was a very good hitter before he took the juice as you pointed out. Schilling should have already been in but a lot of writers cannot stand his politics. I think a person's political believes should not go against them in the Hall of fame. I mean Ty Cobb was a hardcore racists and he got in. 

Next year Riveria and the late Roy Halladay will appear on the ballots. Those two should get a lot of votes. Edgar is so close to getting enshrined into the Hall of fame. If he does not make it next year he should get in by the players committee. 
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Barry Bonds was an every year 30HR 30SB player with the Pirates, he was already on the HOF path. His #'s in S.F are covered in the "CLEAR" he received from B.A.L.C.O. He was a Lean, Tall, Athletic outfielder with the Pirates. He turned into a jacked up-Pumpkin Headed-Body Builder in S.F. Take a look at a 1991 Barry Bond Card and compare it with one at the end of his Career. Doesn't even look like the same person. Roger Clemens to me should be kept out due to Stupidity. He was retired, nobody was pointing fingers at him or even talking about him and Steroids. For some reason, he felt like talking out about the subject, and saying he never used them, although he KNEW he was in the Mitchell Report. People starting investigating, and what do you know, Clemens was getting his delivered to his house under his Wife's name. She was all Jacked up too. What he did on the Pitchers Mound cant be denied, he had a Top 10 Right Handed Pitcher Career of all time.  It's not a question, both players should be in based on numbers alone, the question is what message does MLB want to send. Pete Rose never cheated, he bet on baseball games, when he bet on his team it was to Win the game. Charlie Hustle has been exiled from the HOF. Based on that, I don't see how 2 confirmed Steroid users can get in.
Barry Bonds was an every year 30HR 30SB player with the Pirates, he was already on the HOF path. His #'s in S.F are covered in the "CLEAR" he received from B.A.L.C.O. He was a Lean, Tall, Athletic outfielder with the Pirates. He turned into a jacked up-Pumpkin Headed-Body Builder in S.F. Take a look at a 1991 Barry Bond Card and compare it with one at the end of his Career. Doesn't even look like the same person. Roger Clemens to me should be kept out due to Stupidity. He was retired, nobody was pointing fingers at him or even talking about him and Steroids. For some reason, he felt like talking out about the subject, and saying he never used them, although he KNEW he was in the Mitchell Report. People starting investigating, and what do you know, Clemens was getting his delivered to his house under his Wife's name. She was all Jacked up too. What he did on the Pitchers Mound cant be denied, he had a Top 10 Right Handed Pitcher Career of all time.  It's not a question, both players should be in based on numbers alone, the question is what message does MLB want to send. Pete Rose never cheated, he bet on baseball games, when he bet on his team it was to Win the game. Charlie Hustle has been exiled from the HOF. Based on that, I don't see how 2 confirmed Steroid users can get in.
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As for next year Rivera should easily make it in right away, and along with Halladay, I'm pretty sure that Pettitte should end up with a ton of votes as well.
As for next year Rivera should easily make it in right away, and along with Halladay, I'm pretty sure that Pettitte should end up with a ton of votes as well.
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First, Jeff Bagwell has no business being in the Hall of Fame.

Second, I love Edgar Martinez and he only hit 300 HRs in all the years he'd been playing?  AND he didn't even have to worry about being in the field since he was an AL guy and DH'd?

Nah.  He's a stud and I love him.  He's not a hall of fame player.

Thirdly, pitcher win-loss records are stupid and they should not be involved in any conversation.  The stat has nothing to do with any skill of the pitcher and relies entirely on the offensive side of the ball.  A perfect example is Felix Hernandez's 2010 year.  He had great stats, pitched a stupidly low WHIP, and went 13-12.  Curt Shilling is a hack and was on teams purchased for World Series championships.  That fake blood on the sock?  Please.

Fourthly, unless you're a Cards fan, you know Scott Rolen sucks.  
First, Jeff Bagwell has no business being in the Hall of Fame.

Second, I love Edgar Martinez and he only hit 300 HRs in all the years he'd been playing?  AND he didn't even have to worry about being in the field since he was an AL guy and DH'd?

Nah.  He's a stud and I love him.  He's not a hall of fame player.

Thirdly, pitcher win-loss records are stupid and they should not be involved in any conversation.  The stat has nothing to do with any skill of the pitcher and relies entirely on the offensive side of the ball.  A perfect example is Felix Hernandez's 2010 year.  He had great stats, pitched a stupidly low WHIP, and went 13-12.  Curt Shilling is a hack and was on teams purchased for World Series championships.  That fake blood on the sock?  Please.

Fourthly, unless you're a Cards fan, you know Scott Rolen sucks.  
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... why doesn't Jeff Bagwell deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

He was a consistently excellent hitter for 14 straight years, into his late 30s, something that simply does not happen anymore.

The only HoF standard (of the four accepted ones) that he's "below average" is Black Ink, which has long been seen as the biggest joke of the four (and even then he's very close to average).

By JAWS (which is essentially career WAR averaged with 7 year peak WAR. This allows us to determine who was the best, and who stayed the best for the longest period of time) he's one of the top 10 first basemen, all time, sandwiching Roger Connor and Dan Brouthers.

For the record, the highest ranking player in first base JAWS to not be a HoF or be an "active" player is Rafael Palmerio, who had steroid stuff. He ranked 12th. The lowest ranking HoF first baseman by JAWS is Charlie Comiskey (who shouldn't count, so it's really High Pockets Kelly).

By HoF standards, Bagwell belongs.

Your other opinions regarding Hall of Famers sound pretty lame, except for the pitcher win-loss thing, that really is a bad metric and I wish people would stop touting win/loss record when making a HoF case. Schilling is a HoF player, but not because of his W-L record.
Ghostbear1111 :

... why doesn't Jeff Bagwell deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

He was a consistently excellent hitter for 14 straight years, into his late 30s, something that simply does not happen anymore.

The only HoF standard (of the four accepted ones) that he's "below average" is Black Ink, which has long been seen as the biggest joke of the four (and even then he's very close to average).

By JAWS (which is essentially career WAR averaged with 7 year peak WAR. This allows us to determine who was the best, and who stayed the best for the longest period of time) he's one of the top 10 first basemen, all time, sandwiching Roger Connor and Dan Brouthers.

For the record, the highest ranking player in first base JAWS to not be a HoF or be an "active" player is Rafael Palmerio, who had steroid stuff. He ranked 12th. The lowest ranking HoF first baseman by JAWS is Charlie Comiskey (who shouldn't count, so it's really High Pockets Kelly).

By HoF standards, Bagwell belongs.

Your other opinions regarding Hall of Famers sound pretty lame, except for the pitcher win-loss thing, that really is a bad metric and I wish people would stop touting win/loss record when making a HoF case. Schilling is a HoF player, but not because of his W-L record.
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